[eBook] The Legacy of John Calvin: His Influence on The Modern World by David Hall (Was US$9.99) @ Logos

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  undadog on 14/01/2024 - 21:23

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  awesome!

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  m0usju1c3 on 14/01/2024 - 22:03

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  Excellent, thanks OP.

  attempts to draw attention to avatar

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  R4 on 14/01/2024 - 22:30

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  Brilliant.

  Calvin was an architect of modern Western Civilisation and understanding him goes a long way to understanding where we're at today.

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    afoveht on 15/01/2024 - 00:18

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    His facilitating the executions of people who believe differently from him is thankfully a disappearing Western trait. 🌷🔥☠️ (secret handshake)

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      funnymoney on 15/01/2024 - 07:19

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      Cancel culture

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      R4 on 15/01/2024 - 11:29

      Yeah, not great but Western Civilisation has many facets, not all of them good

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        afoveht on 15/01/2024 - 12:23

        Honest question: what specifically do you think Calvin is much responsible for today outside of the church? (And even there, outside of the relatively smaller reformed circles - what, I'd guess less than 10% of modern christendom - where is he featuring apart from as an old name?)

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          funnymoney on 15/01/2024 - 17:19

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          @afoveht: Haven't read the book, but the author seems to think there's ten ways.

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            afoveht on 15/01/2024 - 21:38

            @funnymoney: I'm interested in R4's take since I responded to their claim, not the author's. (Even though I did now actually try to get the book but the online Logos doesn't seem to want to show me what they gave me for free.)

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          R4 on 16/01/2024 - 00:11

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          @afoveht: He had a strong influence on the development of capitalism and education (making it more accessible to others who weren't from the elite). But he was part of the early protestant movement that basically brought about the separation of church and state. Countries that followed this in Europe prospered and those that didn't, didn't. You see this in, for example, the Netherlands and then later, Britain. This led to the British Empire, and by extension, democratic, free market Australia etc. Spain, Portugal, the Italian States withered. Countries today, mainly islamic, that have no separation of church and state tend to be not very successful.

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            afoveht on 16/01/2024 - 11:23

            @R4: Outside of theological works which understandably exalt and magnify their leaders, I've never seen any text where he's mentioned as a considerable influence in anything apart from religion. If you care to share a source I'd gladly learn something.

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              haru on 17/01/2024 - 13:47

              @afoveht: https://daily.jstor.org/john-calvin-religious-reformer-influ…

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            CommuterPolluter on 17/01/2024 - 12:02

            @R4: Britain didn’t practice the separation of church and state.

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  FredAstair on 14/01/2024 - 22:38

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  cheers

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  finbar on 14/01/2024 - 22:47

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  He designed awesome underwear too

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    TheRealCher on 15/01/2024 - 14:32

    For those so inclined

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  Felixrising on 15/01/2024 - 06:28

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  If you've ever known a Calvinist, kind of weird dogma compared to most Christian doctrines.

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    JutakuHome on 15/01/2024 - 09:44

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    How do? Genuinely interested in your perspective on this one

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      penno2 on 15/01/2024 - 12:16

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      I could be wrong but I thought they were big on predestination. The Christian version of determinism maybe?

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        TheRealCher on 15/01/2024 - 14:37

        Yeah, Calvin said it was a terrible thing but it was what it was… literally damned if you do, damned if you don't. I need to read much more to get a grasp on it but it has to be seen against the bigger idea at the time that you could buy yr way out trouble by donating, or for those without the money, through absolution from a priest in confession. For Calvin, confession was a matter of fact, rather than a step on a path towards salvation.
        There was also lots of local politics, libertines and the Spanish inquisition…

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    Papa Huggies on 15/01/2024 - 15:15

    Honestly not that weird in Australian Protestantism. Presbyterians and Sydney Anglicans are usually Calvanist, much like the Dutch.

    It's weird in most other countries though.

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  TheRealCher on 15/01/2024 - 07:51

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  Nothing like some predestined hellfire to shape yr day

  I prefer Hobbs tbh

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  alxjpow on 15/01/2024 - 08:12

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  His real surname was Cohen.
  Why change it? What was he trying to hide?

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    CalvinNS on 15/01/2024 - 09:36

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    His life from the bloodthirsty french Catholics?

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    Gnostikos on 17/01/2024 - 12:44

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    Interesting, I hadn't this heard this theory before but when you examine Calvin's actual, non-Anglicised surname: Cauuin, it would be a very unusual native French surname unless it was an adaptation of a non-French name like Cohen, which was only used by Jews in medieval Europe (and Cauuin is pronounced identically to Cohen in French). When you factor in how common crypto-Judaism was in Europe during the Middle Ages/Inquisition era and the influence of prominent Jewish scholars/theologians on the Catholic church during the Renaissance, it does lend weight to the idea of Calvin being a crypto-Jew.

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      alxjpow on 17/01/2024 - 13:46

      Truely, the signs and symbols are there.

      The pyramidal Caste system seems ubiquitous and essential to dominant civilisations.

      Now we even have the New Age movement calling people 'low vibration', 'squares', NPCs, Hylics, etc.
      Things become far clearer if you extrapolate Calvinism to books like Brave New World, 1984 or, better yet, Gattaca.

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        Gnostikos on 17/01/2024 - 16:35

        To quote the Babble, there's nothing new under the sun.

        So many prominent historical figures are complete frauds with entirely fictitious identities that they carefully masqueraded in public. The Medicis, Da Vinci, Shakespeare, Robespierre, Karl Marx, Freud, Lenin, Trotsky, Hitler, Einstein and Mother Teresa just to name a few.

        Now we even have the New Age movement calling people 'low vibration', 'squares', NPCs, Hylics, etc.

        Again, there's always been adjectives for those considered the equivalent of spiritual "fertiliser" (as Gurdjieff called them) or human chaff. You've basically summarised the historical progression of such terminology yourself, beginning with 'hylic' which is a Gnostic Greek term originating in antiquity and the modern-day equivalents for the same concept (NPCs, normies, etc).

        Things become far clearer if you extrapolate Calvinism to books like Brave New World, 1984 or, better yet, Gattaca.

        Dystopian Sci-Fi literature is a variation on a very old theme and one that Christianity was central in making manifest throughout the world: the age of "reason", the usurpation of spirituality with "religion" and the crowning of man as God. All of that was a necessary pretext to the tranhumanistic, technocratic dystopian future we're rapidly hurtling towards.

        To quote Dostoyevsky: “Since man cannot live without miracles, he will provide himself with miracles of his own making. He will believe in any kind of deity, even though he may otherwise be a heretic, an atheist, and a rebel.”

        Christianity is the template through which many other frauds and "-isms" have taken root since the Abrahamic death cults forcibly spread their seed around the world because fundamentally, whether we're talking about Christianity, Communism, Fascism, Islamic Fundamentalism or Cultural Marxism or most other "-isms" you can name, they're all violent, revolutionary ideologies that seek to change society and then humanity wholesale through terrorism, indiscriminate violence and propaganda as well as classifying the vast masses of humanity as infidel "unbelievers" who must either be converted to their cause or removed from society and therefore they constantly find themselves in a state of war with the majority of humanity.

        It's no coincidence that the two bloodiest ideologies ever to disgrace the earth are Christianity and Communism, both of which have historical death tolls measured in the tens of millions (likely over 100 million for both) and both of which were founded by men who came from devout Abrahamic upbringings (Marx and Engels both came from very religious families). Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

        You judge ideas and philosophies based on their merits not their intents and the merits of almost all political "-isms" invented by populist charlatans who claim to be heaven-sent to "save humanity" with their outwardly utopian, altruistic and optimistic beliefs are the same: the death, destruction, degeneration and further enslavement of humanity.

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  CalvinNS on 15/01/2024 - 09:34

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  Read Calvin's institutes of the Christian religion.

  Ryan Reeves has a great series going through the history too.

  https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRgREWf4NFWYZZoAYL9yomx7m…

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  Lizard Spock on 15/01/2024 - 11:35

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  It's good, but it's not Thai Honey good.

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  LocalGuide73337 on 15/01/2024 - 16:54

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  Calvinism has been proven wrong for about 2000 years and they still talking about it? LOL.
  And yes, Australian Anglicans still believe in this joke that if you are an Elect you to heaven but if you are a Reprobate, you are destined for hell.
  So they think they are all Elects when in fact, they could be Reprobates who just think they are Elects. lol. See how stupid Calvinism is?

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    highguy88 on 16/01/2024 - 23:55

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    This. Based.

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    morningcoffeepoop on 17/01/2024 - 12:50

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    You give Calvin too much credit bro. He was born in 1509 LOL

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      strangeloops66 on 17/01/2024 - 13:10

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      Calvinism is just Augustinianism on steroids. Augustine was 4th century, closer to 2000 years than the 16th century is.