Currently seeing articles and posts about people parking in incorrect zones, meant for ev chargers, not to mention vandalism on vehicles as well as charging infrastructure.
Should our federal/state governments increase fines, and impose mandatory jail time (regardless of age) when it comes to vandalism?
Prison for scratching a car or parking in the wrong spot? Sure why not.
Glad you agree then! :)
But seriously, going around and keying Teslas for example is a thing, a harder approach needs to be undertaken to stop this. Is it jail time? Maybe for repeat offenders, but increased fines and a increased care levels by the authorities that govern these things would be a better start.
If it was flipped, and people went around keying those giant RAMs that take up 2 car park spaces would people be as ok with it?
A Tesla once parked at a petrol station pump as all the car parks had been full while getting items and the media had a breakdown over it. Yet daily we have ICEHOLES parking in EV charging spots without a blink of the eye.
keying cars is not a new term or concept far predates EV cars, unsure why EV cars should have additional protections over ICE cars against vandalism, i could probably side with you if the argument is to increase penalty's for any car vandalism .
i can side with EV cars that the charging spots need new laws/processes, and not just against ICE cars using them as parking spots, any car that uses a charging spot as a parking spot should be treated the same, EV cars included, this does sound tough to police though.
I knew what that video was even before clicking it lol
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If we’re gonna start sending people to jail for parking where they shouldn’t, I reckon we should start with people who park in disabled spots without a permit, especially if they say “I’ll only be a minute”.
Or in general, people who can’t park should be fined. Not hard to line up your car between two lines
Those who park inappropriately in marked disabled spots and in EV spots, in ice vehicles, should be treated like those who park in clearways; they should be promptly towed.
I don't have an EV or a disability parking permit, but I think there should be consequences for the deliberately inconsiderate in these circumstances.
The problem is when reported, most councils respond days later saying no ICE found in the spot. Yeah totally shocked about that, you checked the car park spot days later after the issue! Not sure what you expected to find?
The other problem like my local council is they won't issue fines based on photos, they have to sight and verify the issue themselves. So really the consequences are nearly zip for most users as the authorities are so slow to act.
Should the government toughen fines on ev related vandalism?
Lol…
Kids beat down the elderly, commit break and enters etc - they get caught, they get released again. Yay!
Who gives a damn about one type of vehicle being vandalised (especially an ev), all types of vehicles are vandalised regularly. Its an unfortunate reality, people even do it unwittingly (door dings etc).
If thats your biggest issue count yourself lucky.
There are bigger fish to fry before worrying about some bogan parking their v8 in a ev spot.
especially an ev
So you're part of the problem with views like this.
There are bigger fish to fry before worrying about some bogan parking their v8 in a ev spot.
You know it's a slippery slope….. Ignoring vandalism to EVs because your tiny manhood is threatened by them, is a gateway to them doing other bigger things. Those kids that beat down the elderly got their morals from their EV hating parents.
you're part of the problem
your tiny manhood
their EV hating parents
Wow! … non-opinionated bias indeed … NOT!
Wow! … non-opinionated bias indeed … NOT!
So tell me I'm wrong then? You think that kids that going around beating the elderly like they claim, don't get their morals from their parents?
So what sort of morals does someone who doesn't care because its a EV and I don't want one of them instills onto their kids? Teaching them its ok to park in a EV spot with their ICE as it doesn't matter. Might as well key them too, because you know, we'll teach them for owning a EV.
Yep sounds like tiny manhood issues to me.
@JimmyF: You keep sounding as someone with a manhood obsession. Not good.
By the way: address the IDEAS not the PERSON behind the ideas.
Otherwise feels like a pointless, unproductive personal attack.
By the way: address the IDEAS not the PERSON behind the ideas.
Otherwise feels like a pointless, unproductive personal attack.
I did address the IDEAS…. read the bit about setting a example and morals…..
You're the one who took the tiny manhood issue to heart as a personal attack and got all bent out of shape over it….. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Says more about you than me.
about you
I insist. It IS a personal attack.
Non personal will be like: your ideas sound totally stupid.
Personal attack will be like: your are totally stupid.
Can't you see it?
@LFO: I find the most entertaining aspect of his replies to be how personal he is (trying to) making a discussion on a ridiculous subject.
It was a straight up personal attack, but personally I couldn’t care less.
Whats funny with people like this too is, it discredits their own arguments whether valid or not 😂
I think evs are fine and will be better in the years to come, I have no issue with them.
But…
I think someone who wants to jail people for parking in it’s charging spot is a tesla driving yuppie detached from reality.
Who said ignore vandalism?
The point i made was that it is low down on the list of what needs to be dealt with by the police and justice system.
especially an ev
Because there are so damn few of them in comparison to ice vehicles…
Those kids that beat down the elderly got their morals from their EV hating parents.
0 bias, noice.
Can’t wait to hear why the world needs to be vegan from you next 😂
Oh just read the next reply, was even funnier 😂
Teaching them its ok to park in a EV spot with their ICE as it doesn't matter. Might as well key them too, because you know, we'll teach them for owning a EV.
Yep, slippery slope. One day your parking in a charging spot picking up a pack of winnie blues, the next your 9 year old is robbing a bank.
Child hood trauma shrauma… it was the parking that turned them bad. Not the abuse, neglect, alcohol and drug abuse from the parents. If only the parents didnt park in the the bloody ev bay.
Also worth pointing out, at no point did I condone or say park in them. anywho…
Yep sounds like tiny manhood issues to me.
Sounds like you have a fixation with other peoples manhood. Not surprising.
I think someone who wants to jail people for parking in it’s charging spot is a tesla driving yuppie detached from reality.
Read my comments above, I never said jail by default, but I won't disagree with jail for repeat offenders of any crime.
The point i made was that it is low down on the list of what needs to be dealt with by the police and justice system.
But should it be? Generally people escalate, so those who are on the top of the list today, would have been down low on the list at some point too.
Yep, slippery slope. One day your parking in a charging spot picking up a pack of winnie blues, the next your 9 year old is robbing a bank.
If only the parents didnt park in the the bloody ev bay.
You fail to understand what good and bad parenting looks like. Teaching your children good morals does mean you don't park in places you're not meant to. Its called leading by example.
Child hood trauma shrauma… it was the parking that turned them bad. Not the abuse, neglect, alcohol and drug abuse from the parents.
Yep, you can put down abuse, neglect, alcohol and drug abuse to parents who have bad morals.
Buts its ok, I'm sure one of these people will never key your car one day, as you'll never own a EV so be safe! Just don't get old ;)
but I won't disagree with jail for repeat offenders of any crime.
Thats a ridiculous premise.
Crimes vary in severity and so do the punishments.
Having a system in which repeat offenders of any crime would see the inside of a cell is not a solution to crime.
Generally people escalate, so those who are on the top of the list today, would have been down low on the list at some point too.
Generally, all the videos of people scratching evs are old boomers.
You telling me gramps is going on a shooting spree next?
You fail to understand what good and bad parenting looks like. Teaching your children good morals does mean you don't park in places you're not meant to. Its called leading by example.
You fail to understand what a broken home looks like to a child.
Kids that act out often come from broken homes and where a parent parks is not what will shape that poor kids view of the world, the systemic abuse and hardships they face as a kid will.
Just don't get old ;)
Is that what happened to you?
Thats a ridiculous premise.
Crimes vary in severity and so do the punishments.
That is why it applies to REPEAT offenders…. You know, the ones who haven't learnt from the first 5 times being caught for example.
Having a system in which repeat offenders of any crime would see the inside of a cell is not a solution to crime.
So what is the solution for a repeat offender then? Keep slapping them on the wrist and sending them on their way again only to reoffend?
Kids that act out often come from broken homes and where a parent parks is not what will shape that poor kids view of the world, the systemic abuse and hardships they face as a kid will.
Ever heard of breaking the cycle? How do you think the parents got to this point? They didn't wake up one day to be like that from great parents the day before.
Kids learn morals and behaviours from parents. So back to my earlier point, it is a slippery slope that starts with the small things.
Not sure why you seem to be trying to argue that it is acceptable to block a EV spot or the key the car. Do you park in disabled spots too without a permit also? Seems your morals are pretty meh too.
That is why it applies to REPEAT offenders…. You know, the ones who haven't learnt from the first 5 times being caught for example.
You evidently are a boomer.
So let me break this down for you.
Its called proportionate punishment.
Proportionate punishment refers to a penalty or consequence that fits the severity of the offence committed. It ensures that the punishment is neither too harsh nor too lenient, but rather balanced and fair relative to the wrongdoing.
This is how this principle maintains justice and deterrence while also considering factors such as the nature of the offence, the intent of the offender, and any mitigating or aggravating circumstances.
Would you jail a 8 year old who kept stealing gum?
No, it’s not proportionate to the crime.
It makes more sense to discipline and educate rather then incarcerate for minor crimes.
So jailing people for parking in ev spots or keying cars is ridiculous.
Fine them and make them pay damages (as is the case now anyway).
What good is it putting people in jail when they could be paying for their crimes?
So what is the solution for a repeat offender then? Keep slapping them on the wrist and sending them on their way again only to reoffend?
proportionate punishment…
Fine them, educate them and give them a criminal record which affects other aspects of their life.
How do you think the parents got to this point?
Bad friends and drugs/alcohol abuse.
Ever heard of breaking the cycle?
Yes, i have done it. So can speak from experience.
Not sure why you seem to be trying to argue that it is acceptable to block a EV spot or the key the car. Do you park in disabled spots too without a permit also?
As i said above already…
i said: Also worth pointing out, at no point did I condone or say park in them.
So yeah…
Seems your morals are pretty meh too.
They are obviously of a much higher standard then your reading abilities.
Also… LOL
My morals are bad because I don’t think people parking in an EV bay deserve jail?
Gosh you guys have your heads so far up your own butts, its amazing you can even see where your going. Guess thats what the autopilot is for.
You evidently are a boomer.
Wrong
Fine them, educate them and give them a criminal record which affects other aspects of their life.
and when the repeat offender is back in for the 5th or 10th or 20th time, you just keep slapping them on the wrist and sending them on their way again? Cool. Sounds like it is working. Not.
Bad friends and drugs/alcohol abuse.
So bad morals in the first place to have such friends. Got it.
Yes, i have done it. So can speak from experience.
Great to hear.
My morals are bad because I don’t think people parking in an EV bay deserve jail?
Cast your eyes up, I only said for repeat offends. Because whatever we are doing today, isn't working. Here is the line for those at home who are having trouble keeping up.
Is it jail time? Maybe for repeat offenders, but increased fines and a increased care levels by the authorities that govern these things would be a better start.
So it was maybe for jail time, not a hard yes, but that was AFTER increasing fines and 'care' levels for the authorities that govern these things.
Gosh you guys have your heads so far up your own butts, its amazing you can even see where your going. Guess thats what the autopilot is for.
Oh look…. The EV hater is back…. Have you really broken the cycle after all?
Getting 'tougher on crime' rarely does what you want it to.
Govern me harder baby.
Only if it is my car.
We just had 3 lunatics block the west gate bridge with a Diesel Truck and they got a slap on the wrist despite costing the economy millions of dollars…..so what do you think
…on EV Related Vandalism
Why specifically EVs? Vandalism of vehicles and incorrect use of parking bays are not limited to EVs.
I think we should only jail those who vandalise white cars! (because I have one!) 😜
Why specifically EVs? Vandalism of vehicles and incorrect use of parking bays are not limited to EVs.
EVs seem more targeted and socially acceptable to vandalise. Endless videos on YouTube posted by owners of people keying them.
I think we should only jail those who vandalise white cars! (because I have one!) 😜
Sounds fair to me ;)
Endless videos on YouTube posted by owners of people keying them.
Keying cars isn't really something new, but I think it appears that EVs are targeted because Teslas have 360 cameras (I don't know about the other EVs), so it gets recorded each time.
Other cars don't have side cameras to record it when it's happens.
Keying cars isn't really something new
Agreed, but EVs seem to get certainly be the target at the moment and as I said more 'socially acceptable' based on comments when people post videos etc with come backs like that'll teach them to drive an EV. This mindset is present in a LOT of people and needs to stop.
Don't like them? Don't buy them. Just like people who don't like small cars don't buy them or large cars or trucks or campers. You buy what works for you. They'll buy what works for them.
@JimmyF: I'm not a fan of many things, but it doesn't mean that I'll go try and destroy it.
I don't understand the people that do. I reckon it's down to jealousy more than anything else.
I don't understand the people that do. I reckon it's down to jealousy more than anything else.
Me either, I'm guessing a lot is jealousy, thinking they cost $200k or something silly like that, so you can afford some damage!
Most EVs cost as much as a 4x4 dual cab ute tradies have, and no one thinks twice about that.
I recall a movie script (in a jail environment) saying (more or less):
"those with special privileges are not well received by the rest of the inmates"
I like the ways that EV owners tell you they own an EV without saying out directly.
The problem with EV drivers is they are like Vegans. They will preach.
I like the ways that EV owners tell you they own an EV without saying out directly.
LOL. What's next? Maybe you can tell me the way disabled people tell you they are disabled without telling you? How dare they have those disabled spots near the door!!
Amazing how trigger some people can be by a car parking space with a car parked in it.
Don't like them, don't buy them. I don't like the RAM utes, gross oversized useless pieces of crap in my books. But I don't go around telling everyone how much I hate them, keying them, and blocking their parking spots.
Maybe you can tell me the way disabled people tell you they are disabled without telling you?
Maybe you are just as disabled as EV drivers. I got a sibling with autism, quiet serious and people still look at them like they don't get it.
I'd say it is normal people that are disabled. Nobody thinks themselves as dumb, that is a disability in itself. False sense of belief that they know everything. Just like that lawyer who asked ChatGPT to find cases and it turned out all of them are fake and got the case thrown out in court. Smart lawyer but not smart enough to do simple cross checking.
Maybe you are just as disabled as EV drivers
Your true colours are shining through.
I got a sibling with autism, quiet serious and people still look at them like they don't get it.
So guessing they have a disabled sticker? Do they get upset when their spot is taken? Surely not! As you seem to think its ok to block EV spots. So only fair!
@JimmyF: No disabled sticker because they are not fit to drive.
Guess your true colors are coming out. They don't get any benefits of parking spaces etc. I think you enjoy certain things living in your brain rent free
Just because you drive an EV and have special needs don't actually entitle you to a spot. There is no "coasting lane" for hybrids and no petrol browser spot for parking.
Think the problem is you choose your poison and expect everyone to give you a chalice to put it in.
No disabled sticker because they are not fit to drive.
You don't need to be able to drive to be able to get a sticker. The sticker is assigned to the person, not the car.
Just because you drive an EV and have special needs don't actually entitle you to a spot. There is no "coasting lane" for hybrids
LOL You think these are just 'parking' spots….. They are charging bays, so yeah they are 'marked' and reserved for EVs for a reason. Shock EV not charging parked in these EV charging bays can be fined, just like ICE cars ;)
no petrol browser spot for parking.
You sure about that one? They have all these places all around that you can PARK infront of a petrol browser while you are filling up. Bit like the EV parking spots. But they smell bad and you pay lots of money for doing it.
Think the problem is you choose your poison and expect everyone to give you a chalice to put it in.
Give in to what? People not parking in the 2-4 EV charging bays out of the 1000 present? Yeah…. How dare I have that view!!! But don't worry, I also have the same view for the disabled bays, people shouldn't be parking there unless they are entitled to park there with a sticker.
@JimmyF: Forget it.
You buy a product you deal with the risk. It is like buying a Lambo and expecting everyone to get out of your way and be accident free.
@netjock: Bad analogy.
They are charging bays, so yeah they are 'marked' and reserved for EVs for a reason.
More like people using petrol pumps as parking spots and being unable to fuel your car>
@ihfree: Everything is bad long as it isn't the same axe you are trying to grind.
People still buy cars knowing they might not have fuel for 400kms between places in the outback and people parking across two parking spaces. Don't like it then fly. It is a hazard people sign up for.
You don't see every month everyone crying about someone parking across 2 parking spaces.
It's only fair if they also lock up the drivers who pass cyclists too closely.
If there is a cycleway and cyclists do not use it then lock them up too! (I am a cyclist)
A true cyclist knows that the cycleway just isnt suitable all the time and the road is a legal to use alternative.
when it comes to vandalism?
Yes - ALL vandalism, nothing to do with EV's.
I'm a believe in the Pulp Fiction philosophy on car vandalism, regardless of whether it's an EV or not. "No trial, no jury, straight to execution."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO48Vr4KIc8
That's fair enough - "you don't F with another man's vehicle". But parking in the incorrect spot? Big deal. Give them a parking ticket.
https://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/121922/
This diesel vehicle is in a spot normally reserved for electric vehicles. Should the driver be locked up?
LOL
This topic is a gift that keeps on giving.
BEV drivers keep on pushing EVs on here and they come to complain when someone parks in their spot or there isn't enough chargers, or the charge rates are not cheap enough, then get smug about "charging for free" at home (when they couldn't figure out how to work out the cost of their solar over lifetime kilowatts produced less FIT.
I see nobody on here pushing Tesla shares lately due to the big fall in the share price.
Should The Government Toughen Fines on EV Related Vandalism?
Fines for EV Vandalism?…. How about we just bring back Public Hanging for EV related Vandalism and increase fines for other vehicles
In all seriousness, fines and jail-time should be increased for ALL types of Vandalism
vandalism on vehicles
careful you might find owners being fined or jailed for not cleaning/maintaining their car…
Should The Government Toughen Fines on EV Related Vandalism?
Yes - jail time? No
Lingchi is my preference.
Caught Vandals should be made to pay for repairs. Or the cost is re-cooped through jail time on a $ value per day.
Intention damage not just to EVs.
Just seems rational. I do not believe current laws are strong enough to act as prevention.
Its not the lack of penalty thats the problem. In most of these cases, its the low chance of getting caught that is the prblem. Not enough police on the the beat so to speak.
Council rangers in wrong spots.
Victoria, south Australia, Western Australia, Northern Territory and Tasmania are a bunch of limpys when it comes to fines. Very disappointing.
$250 max ffs
I think a lot of the problem will go away once ICE-makers either make EVs pay or do a Kodak. Then there won’t be enough advertising revenue from them to give media the incentive to write copy that characterise personal transport as EV vs ICE. Apart from a few crazies the problem will go away.
I do support perpetrators being made to pay for repairs for any form of vandalism…..
Prison for scratching a car or parking in the wrong spot? Sure why not. We should actually hobble them like slave plantation owners used to when slaves tried to escape.