Got bub on the way, looking to upgrade from hatch to SUV/CUV.
So was scanning carsales and boy everything from 2014 onwards, < 150km, are just Captivas and Cherokees and starting to see more Tiguans. What's up with them?
Shoot your personal recs for used SUV/CUV with space for pram and car seat. $15k ish.
https://www.carsguide.com.au/holden/captiva/problems
Captivas had A LOT of issues
With that said i have a Holden Equinox which was released after the Captiva and it is after they trouble shooted all the issues and i have no issues with the car, it was pretty cheap for a mid side SUV and intintially i thought if i got 4-5 years out of the car i'd be happy im on year 6 and no dramas ill keep it till it dies but overall its a good car
A Toyota with 300k on it would be far more reliable.
Used car market is pure supply and demand. The cheapest used cars are cheap for a good reason. Noone wants to buy them. If you want a popular model, you gotta pay.
i had not thought of it before then, but someone recently said "if you want to know the true value of something. look at the second hand market." sometimes you may want to buy new for warranty reasons, etc. but the used market is a great indicator of the true value of an item.
it was in relation to Peloton exercise bikes which are REAL cheap on the second hand market, and for good reason, but the same applies to Craptivas.
Depends how much the previous owner wants to pay to get it off their hands. Make sure you have a good margin to cover the repair bills which will be infliced upon you.
All 3 have reached their "falling to pieces, expensive to repair" stage or were always that way.
Look at a Mazda CX5 or a Hyundai, Kia or Rav4 if you must have an SUV
Thanks for the recs!
Pretty sure they are called Craptiva's for a reason.
JEEP: Just Empty Every Pocket
Lord those things cost a bomb to keep running!
You Forgot Just Expect Every Problem
my god i thought i'd seen everything
That links to my earlier point on Carrington Car Co
This is a rhetorical question, yeah?
No, so delete your comment.
We've been (mostly) happy with our 2016 T32 Nissan Xtrail. Liked it better than Outback, CRV and others we test drove at the time. Rear doors open wide, lots of boot space (even enough to sleep in the back with the rear seats folded), "mod cons", cruise control, Bluetooth, reverse camera etc - was a big step up from our old car.
One problem was air con carked it last year. $3k to fix. Was umming and aahing about whether to put that towards a newer car, maybe even lease FBT exempt EV as city fuel consumption seems to be creeping up from about 9L/100 to more like 11L/100km now. Ended up repairing it.
Agree.
XTrail prior to when they started fitting CVT gearbox are a good car.
Cvts aren't as bad as you think. 1st and 2nd gen yes but beyond are fine for 200k if well maintained.
Cvts are a ticking bomb.
Then don't get a SUV?
Jeep says it all really, friends don't let friends buy a Jeep.
Holden went bust selling rebadged Daewoos, of which the Captiva was one. It had a poor reputation and helped destroy the brand
Jeep sales are falling rapidly in Australia and these vehicles too have picked up a reputation of having poor reliability.
The market is flooded with them because no one wants them. If you do get one, haggle hard. People are selling them around the 150k to 200k km mark because repairs are uneconomical.
Avoid unless you are mechanic yourself.
Nope, mechanics wouldn't put themselves through hell every weekend.
Both shitheaps thats why
Cx5 boot not as long as rav4 or crv… we have one. Beautiful car interiorly though. You might want to consider length of boot for prams if going down the SUV route
Yeah they are nice but pretty tight in the second row and the luggage area. Was going to get one as a replacement for CX3 as kids got bigger but was surprised at the lack of space.
We purchased a CRV 7 years ago now (it was a brand new model at the time), heaps of space in the boot. Alternatively, a Nissan X-Trail has a huge boot and I think you can pick up a Renault Koleos for cheaper, which is the same car rebranded. Space to value ratio cannot be beat on all 3 of those cars.
Oh good info on Koleos being a rebrand thanks… all these different brands do my head in sometimes.
Why does having a baby require a SUV? I've got two boys, (6&10) and we've been fine with hatchbacks. What is your current car and kms? could be better to stay depending on what you've got.
180k 2012 Ford Focus
I agree. Many young families resort to buying large SUVs because "they need the space". I've got one child and used my little Hatchback Audi A3. It's got isofix anchors for the baby seat and it's been fine for us. When this one grows up and we have another baby, we'll be fine with the same car.
Stay away from Craptivas.
I have a Captiva. 10 years old.
Heavy on fuel consumption, wouldn’t recommend.
If budget allows, maybe a Nissan Pathfinder R52 series, had one for a bit and they were great.
Cheers thanks
We had the V6 flex fuel Craptiva.
On E85 it was a hoot but 18l/100km
I certainly appreciated the higher seat that a SUV offered when lifting a 10kg child in and out of a rear facing seat. I suggest you try doing that with a sedan multiple times to see how your back goes.
I have a mate who has been a car salesman and he would not touch a Jeep. Says that they are designed to have showroom appeal and nothing else; in other words, most of the buying decision is made right there in the showroom, often without a test drive.
He has been clear on buying advice for years; if you can find a Toyota you like and the price is OK, buy it. At a pinch, a Honda but otherwise, just buy a Toyota
Sportage, Tuscon or Korando.
The SsangYong in particular is a solid, reliable car.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2020-ssangyong-kora…
Are these reliable? Only started to hear of them
Incredibly reliable
My recommendation for 15k SUV is a VF Commodore sportwagon.
Uno reverse.
These keep getting stolen in my area apparently 😂
Definitely. easily fits 3 car seats across the back too
Probably only the v8s that get stolen. Get an SV6 wagon.
Wife has the even cheaper VEII. Three car seats across the back. She likes it because she literally doesn't have to worry about it. I have the 300 Series Sahara and she doesn't mind. Marry a pragmatic woman boys.
Both craptiva and jeep are dogs (not in a good way).
Owned a 2012 jeep Cherokee brand new, great car at the time of you ask me.
Had to sell due to extra kids but one massive issue I had was getting a battery for it.. yep that's right in 2018 when the battery died it took me a month of hunting around as all battery retailers only had the info for the larger 900acc battery but Australian range only needed the 660 or around there as we are not turning cars in harsh winter weather.
Had to go a custom dry type cell but battery world paid for 60% of the costs for I have no idea why but I guess they had interest into it.
Anyway was for me a very reliable car but again needed to get a car that had 7 seats then we purchased a caravan and had to trade up.
The captivas had a factory defect on the front end, can't remember what exactly but had to do with the front end. Anyway not really a great car if you ask me, just a mid sized SUV, not for towing.
Just out the 900CCA in it unless it wouldn't fit?
2 type of batteries, one smaller then the other, the larger one was most common and thus on all documentation although in Aus the battery for it was the smaller varient.
battery tray and layout wouldnt fit the 900 and also the price was OTT
If you’re looking to ‘upgrade’ from a hatch to a captiva you’re setting yourself up to fail.
Our captiva is the worst car we’ve ever had. It’s not lemon bad but the car is big and slow, terrible on fuel, handles like a pig and has a fairly cheap interior.
The plus sides? Mechanically no real issues, suspension is ‘ok’ (I guess) and…. That’s about it
I would say our previous cars were better than the captiva in terms of comfort, handling & reliability. (2x VN commodores and an 80’s Corolla)
Bought a new Grand Cherokee on 2016 and it was a brilliant car all round, my only complaint in 8 years of owning it was the cruise control was a bit out dated but otherwise it was a great, reliable vehicle and I wouldn’t hesitate to buy another.
sounds like you hit the jackpot, many others are not so lucky, Jeep has justifiably earned its place as having some of the most unreliable expensive to run vehicles on the road.
this might open your eyes to what others experience. https://caredge.com/guides/jeep-reliability-ratings, noting the 2016 Grand Cherokee is actually much much worse than these ratings.
RAV4. End thread.
I would keep the Focus and look to buy a car seat that uses up less space and perhaps a less bulky pram as well.
There are options that would be suitable for your car and not cause as much as an impact. For example a Britax Graphene is handy for smaller cars as it takes up considerably less space (in rear facing mode) than say a Britax B-First Ifix.
In terms of prams there are 100's of options, so definitely give a test drive of a few and see what can easily go into your car. (or you will be disassembling it every time you need to pack it into the car…)
I'm not gonna lie, I didn't think that far ahead (or maybe I did hope to get a bigger car by then). I have installed the Graphene iFix and got the Uppababy Vista V2. 😂
I'd be surprised if you had, not many people know these things for their first child. I have a Britax Millenia which took so much more room than a Graphene and we paid the price with the front passenger having next to no leg room (no longer have that car though and now it's forward facing so space is no longer an issue).
Hopefully no issues with fitting the pram into the boot if you do keep the Focus. Great choice on the pram by the way, definitely one of the best in the market!
Noone is this unaware…
Captivas and Cherokees and starting to see more Tiguans
As said bad, bad and well European cars (people find out the cost out of warranty)
Only reason I still have an Euro is because it is 20yo. I got it 50% off. It sips fuel (5L/100km). Insurance is like $500pa and I need a spare (only 1 other car and that is a Corolla).
For $15k I'd get an old Corolla / Camry sedan rather than an SUV.
which euro car drives at 5L/100km??
Any of the turbo-diesel Euro hatchbacks or sedans from the past decade should be capable of around this figure.
From 20 years ago, maybe a very small hatch?
I drove a Honda jazz and could only do 7L/100km and I hypermile to achieve it.
If you can get to 20-25k, my suggestion is still a wagon, but this time the Skoda Superb. Had one new and it never missed a beat.
I'm considering used Skoda Octavia wagon 110TSI. I'll look at Suberb
Jeep - because they are off the road getting fixed so often that the KMs stay low to comparative vehicles (if you can afford the fuel to run them to start with!)
yep that's a clue as to junk you don't want - what you see most frequently listed for sale … ;-)
once upon at time when I was looking at exercise machines, I saw a particular type of stationary bicycle - with a friction belt - cheap enough to buy, but very unpleasant to use, most often seen gathering dust, unused, on balconies, and for sale, going cheap !
yeah nah
while I'm here, as a pedestrian I read yesterday that large SUVs have been found to be more dangerous for everyone else especially pedestrians where chest-high impacts are more likely to kill - drivers with small weenies and ego problems love the height to feel like lording it over the physically smaller and 'lower' vehicles around them, and may not notice a small kid behind them while reversing at the primary school pickup … #small bump!# … (what was that?)
I have a Ford Territory TX RWD, 2017 Model, has been flawless and still going strong.
Also have a Kia Carnival, which is great for kids (have 4). If I had to do it all again, I would go with the Kia Carnival from kid 1, especially if you can get the power doors and leather seats. The car has so much more room than any 7-seat SUV and even takes 6 adults with loads of space.
+1 for the later model Kia Carnival. Absolutely massive amount of interior space, easily fits 7 adults, unlike any SUV you care to name.
An extremely practical vehicle that can double as a ute for Bunnings runs. I managed to fit a full lounge suite (3 seater and 2 recliners) in the back of a Carnival without a lot of fuss.
Be aware that the earlier (more rounded styling) models had a petrol engine that tends to explode after 100,000km and are best avoided. The diesel is okay though.
which year model do you classify as later model.
I think it was some time in 2015 they changed to the newer body style, with the taller grille.
How did you get a 2017? Didn't they cease production by October 2016?
There are plenty of 2017 Carnivals available on carsales, and 2018-2024 models as well. As far as I know they're still making them.
The Territory I mean. Carnival very much still available thankfully, though I'm not a fan of the "SUV styling" of the current gen.
Don't buy a Jeep
Don't buy a Holden
Don't buy a SUV
Your hatchback is perfectly fine for your needs
Spend $15k on treats for your newborn and you
Not sure if this is just a troll question. Anyone with the slightest vehicle knowledge knows how bad these cars are. To give you some perspective, the Toyota Rav4 is sold many times over than those sh*tboxes and not seen in used market for long, why? The reason is obvious. Either owners don't sell it, or they get sold as soon as they're in the market, simple. Buy a used Toyota, you should be all good. The higher price tag you're paying for one will be worth every penny in long run.
Was that Captiva all that bad? Seemed to fit a fap in the market, and price point was ok?
It seemed like good value when new, compared to competitors. They could offer such a low price point because it was made by Daewoo in Korea. It turns out that the design has major quality and reliability issues after a few years. You can barely give them away these days because everyone knows how much work they need to keep on the road.
Only one SUV that started the fad, RAV4. We brought one with 320k, cheap with blown head gasket. Fixed it still going strong 420k. Everything works in it
If your happy with the Ford platform move up to its bigger brother, the Ford Escape.
Get the 2.0 petrol if you can. We have a 2018 Trend and its been a great car.
If budget is an issue theres a 2017 1.5l trend with full service history on carsales for $14,990 in Victoria.
Endure the hard labour and unbearable toil of 5-10 seconds of physical exhertion 0-10 times per day and stick with a hatch.
500k km Prado is still better than the lemons you're curious about
Somehow, I don't think an SJ or XJ is on the radar.