DeepSeek: Free and Open-Source AI

OzBargainerr on 29/01/2025 - 01:25
Last edited 29/01/2025 - 01:33

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Cost Breakthrough: DeepSeek's R-1 matches the performance of OpenAI's o1 at just 10% of the cost, delivering high-quality AI that is both powerful and affordable.

Open-Source Advantage: Freely accessible and optimized for modest hardware, R-1 accelerates developer adoption and fuels innovation within the open-source community.

Industry Disruption: Big Tech giants like OpenAI, Google, and Meta, along with Nvidia's GPU dominance, face mounting pressure as low-cost, open models challenge proprietary and expensive systems.

***By the way, I am cancelling my ChatGPT Plus which is $32 AUD/month, so It's a great deal for me.

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  • someone else on 29/01/2025 - 15:12
    +2

    It was made available on You.com this morning. Will test in the next couple days…

    Regarding US vs China, I wouldn't trust any private information to any AI tool. They all have a very clear disclaimer saying that they collect data and do whatever they want. So just assume they are not lying about it…

  • DrunkUberDriver on 29/01/2025 - 15:55
    +2

    hard pass its heavily censored https://imgur.com/a/wVcdc7I

    • NirajSS on 04/02/2025 - 10:13

      its same on all AI models. Ask some question it will start saying these things. It's a complex issue that often boils down to ideological, political, and historical viewpoints. The debate is complex and depends on the context of specific actions and their motivations. This content may violate our usage policies.

    • Gervais fanboy on 04/02/2025 - 10:56
      +1

      Worse, it’s pushing out CCP propaganda.

      • try2bhelpful on 04/02/2025 - 12:02

        Well both sides are guilty of that. As I say, don’t trust either side. Check the information you are being provided with.

        • Gervais fanboy on 04/02/2025 - 12:04
          +1

          Is it not possible to talk about something Chinese without you doing a whataboutism..

          Just curious, what is the propaganda that ChatGTP is running?

          • try2bhelpful on 04/02/2025 - 12:23
            -1

            @Gervais fanboy: You think it isn’t there? It isn’t whataboutalism because if people are looking at AI they will also be looking at the alternative options. I’m just saying people should be wary of both sides and do their research to confirm what they have been told. I don’t see why you would think that is a bad thing?

            • Gervais fanboy on 04/02/2025 - 14:10

              @try2bhelpful: I hear you but you said that GPT also runs propaganda in a your typical whataboutism defence of anything that’s Chinese.

              So I ask you again, what’s this propaganda that ChatGPT tried feeding you?

              • try2bhelpful on 04/02/2025 - 14:41
                -1

                @Gervais fanboy: History is told through the lens of the people who “win” it. ChatGPT will have been trained through the lens of American “settlers” rather than say the native Americans. The history of America is skewed so will the ChatGPT answers. This is the problem with using it for “history” or “political” questions. The difference is you probably don’t see the ChatGPT answers as propaganda and the Deepseek is. Personally I think both are and would take them with a pinch of salt, just like I do with Australian history. I don’t use one source as my shining light of truth. The idea is you read widely and assess the veracity of multiple sources.

                • Gervais fanboy on 04/02/2025 - 15:13

                  @try2bhelpful:

                  trained through the lens of American “settlers” rather than say the native Americans.

                  So that’s you just guessing basically,
                  And philosophically I do agree with the rest of what you said but the way you defended DeepSeek earlier despite seeing the outward blatant denial of Tiananmen Square and the biggest human tragedy caused by Mao. You saw all of that and then somehow rationalised it by saying ‘what about others’.
                  Yet now you can’t even present me any comparable denials made by GPT.
                  Please stop arguing for once and just admit that you messed up, also mate what’s with this blind affinity with China? Coz you are a socialist and they are somewhat communists? Is that it?

                  Btw I just looked it up, GPT does talk about settlers committing a genocide. illegally displacing them to Oklahoma etc etc

                  You can have the last say if you want, I won’t respond after this. Nice chat,

                  • try2bhelpful on 04/02/2025 - 15:37
                    -1

                    @Gervais fanboy: No, I did not defend DeepSeek I said I wouldn’t use an AI program to get historical data and I stand by that. As I have always said I don’t trust either side and people need to get their information from sites that have a high level of veracity,. They need to consider the bias of the providers and their own cultural bias. The Western world has a very biased view of Chinese history. I may not agree with China’s government but given the history of China’s interaction with the Western world I can understand why it might become popular over there. It is also interesting that well over a billion people have not risen up to throw their leaders out. If the majority really believed in democracy they would’ve b now. My suggestion is people look at the history of Hong Kong and Taiwan as well. Frankly it is complicated.

                    If ChatGPT went into all the atrocities the USA Government inflicted on the native Americans they would be there for a very long time. However, let’s just throw in a couple of examples to pretend we are unbiased.

                    As I keep saying. Don’t like China and don’t like the USA and can’t see why people would trust either. I do wonder why after everything that is happening you keep uncritically defending America though?

                    • Gervais fanboy on 04/02/2025 - 15:40

                      @try2bhelpful: I did read your text and saw your question at the end but as I said already, i think it’s best we conclude our conversation here.
                      Nice talking to you. Thanks for replying.

                  • bargaino on 06/02/2025 - 00:25
                    +2

                    @Gervais fanboy:

                    outward blatant denial of Tiananmen Square

                    Where are you getting that from? All i have seen is a refusal to answer, or with some unsophisticated "jail-breaking", a good answer.

                    I think in retrospect we may see this as a golden age of AI, where impartial answers were given, like Wikipedia 10 or so years ago. The AIs have a bit of a left-wing slant, but that is just the training data. They genuinely try to be factual, and present both sides of a disputed question.

                    • try2bhelpful on 06/02/2025 - 14:17

                      @bargaino: Don’t disagree apart from the leftwing slant but. Given the companies involved it will slant rightwing. One of the issues that has been with training these things is they tend to be a more a small pool of info from/about white males.

  • try2bhelpful on 29/01/2025 - 16:15
    +1

    Just wondering how many people are looking at AI as a history tool?

  • rw on 29/01/2025 - 18:39

    They need to spend some $ on servers

  • c2pv1ru5 on 31/01/2025 - 21:43
    -2

    CCP propaganda, and sadly they named this as deepshxt

  • try2bhelpful on 06/02/2025 - 14:19

    So who is feeling comfortable with AI and social media from the USA at the moment? I just hope these things have no personal data about me. If I was American I would be really paranoid.

  • capslock janitor on 10/02/2025 - 16:11

    still have it on my iphone ,but hesitant to register phone number

  • ratoloko on 11/02/2025 - 15:15

    When it comes to the internet, nothing is free, nothing.
    If a service is advertised as free, your data is the payment.

    I would never trust a Chinese based company.

    Don't get me wrong, all techs sell your data ( That is why I run GrapheneOS on my phone, my own Linux router, firewall, and DNS servers ), but China is well known for being the biggest data mining in the whole universe.

    Imagine you visiting China 10y from now getting arrested because you said or asked something against their laws 10y prior and since you are within their power, well, good luck.

    Free hahaha
    These novices are really getting out of hand lmao

    • try2bhelpful on 11/02/2025 - 17:12
      -1

      I wouldn’t be so sure you wouldn’t hit something similar in America. Just think of all of the data you’ve given freely sitting on American social media sites. Especially given the cosy relationship of the tech bros with Trump. You really think your privacy is being protected? I’m very glad I have almost no social media footprint and any I do have is totally innocuous or anonymous.

      Don’t trust either side at the moment. Trump certainly has no respect for the rule of law.

      • ratoloko on 13/02/2025 - 14:29

        Silly you if you think that I trust an US based company lol
        That is why I run and manage my own home network.

        • try2bhelpful on 13/02/2025 - 16:13
          -1

          I assume you stay off all the social networking sites then.

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