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Assassin's Creed Shadows will be $79 at launch on PS5/XSX at Target.
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[PS5, XSX] Assassin's Creed Shadows $79 @ Target
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What did I miss?
Edit: never mind, I googled it.
Can you provide link or context? All I see is their share price down 25%
Not supporting ubisoft after all the crap they have done to this game
@Roastlamb: I don’t remember everything off the top of my head, but here are the main points:
Every Assassin’s Creed game has had a protagonist who actually fits the culture it’s set in—Viking, British, Greek, Russian, etc. But for some reason, even though this one is set in feudal Japan 400–500 years ago, Ubisoft decided to go with the one Black guy mentioned in historical records. Instead of using research from Japanese historians, they ran with some debunked stuff from a Western historian and acted like it was legit, even falsely claiming Yasuke was a samurai.
On top of that, they screwed up with a collectible statue. It featured a torii gate that looked a lot like the one at Nagasaki’s Sannō Shrine, which was partially destroyed in the atomic bombing. People called them out for being insensitive, and they ended up pulling the item.
@Shiroi Okami: Let's not forget their latest DLC of all that red dragon stuff that isn't Japanese at all.
Ubisoft decided to go with the one Black guy mentioned in historical records. Instead of using research from Japanese historians, they ran with some debunked stuff from a Western historian and acted like it was legit, even falsely claiming Yasuke was a samurai.
It sounds like you are choosing what is historically accurate based on your own opinions. There is clearly a lot of historical data supporting the fact that Yasuke was given Samurai status:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke
See also William Adams, an Englishman who arrived in Japan in 1600 (21 years after Yasuke), became Tokugawa Ieyasu's friend, and also became a samurai.
- Wikipedia is not proof
The reference Wikipedia calls back to is the Britannica claiming "Ōta states that Nobunaga made Yasuke a vassal, giving him a house, servants, a sword, and a stipend. During this period, the definition of samurai was ambiguous, but historians think that this would contemporaneously have been seen as the bestowing of warrior or "samurai" rank."
That is not proof, especially when Japanese historians from Japan say he was not a samurai.
@Shiroi Okami: Nothing in history is certain. We determine what is likely true based on historical records. There are historical records asserting he was given Samurai status. You are free to doubt them, but again nothing is certain in history (except perhaps a lot of modern history due to the overwhelming abundance of modern records).
Wikipedia gives more references than the one you mentioned. And those references would likely give even more references. If you wanted to be as certain as possible, you should read all the available references, and I would start with the letters of the Jesuit missionary Luís Fróis, who lived in Japan and mentions Yasuke. These letters constitute an original (primary) source, and are therefore a very good place to start.
@ForkSnorter: There are no records that he was given samurai status. Only records he was made a vassal, house, servants, a katana and a stipend.
There are no records that he was given samurai status. Only records he was made a vassal, house, servants, a katana and a stipend.
Same thing. Samurai status is different from being trained as a warrior though.
@ForkSnorter: The person who made that quote and the page on Britannica is called Thomas Lockley. He is also the main source of information about Yasuke. Thomas Lockley has been called out by Japanese historians for fabricating facts in his books about Japanese history. His own words were that he found a few vague paragraphs mentioning Yasuke and then turned them into a book by "filling in the blanks." He then used that book to create more books.
He also edited Yasuke’s Wikipedia page to include sources for books he had yet to publish and edited the page to link to his own content. Wikipedia later deleted his page because it was deemed insignificant. Despite this, he added links to another one of his books before its release.
He is a known liar, and most of the information about Yasuke on Wikipedia was taken from his books. Lockley makes several statements that cannot be traced back to any of the sources he listed in his books. Lockley himself has claimed that Yasuke was a bodyguard, manservant, confidant and weapon bearer. He then argued that anyone who takes up a sword to protect their lord could be considered a samurai. That’s simply not true and even contradicts Wikipedia’s own samurai article.
@Shiroi Okami: Do you have any evidence of that, or did you get it from a Reddit post? I saw the same thing on Reddit, and in an Amazon review of Lockley’s book. Almost the exact same wording
Seems someone is on a campaign to discredit Yasuke and Thomas Lockley. How do you discredit something you don’t want to believe in? Discredit the source. It’s very common for experts in narrow fields of research to edit the Wikipedia page on their area of expertise if they find it lacking.
By the way, I don’t think being granted samurai status is as big a deal as you make out. It’s not like obtaining Australian citizenship where you have to meet a strict list of requirements. The Daimyos and Shoguns back then could pretty much do what they wanted within reason, and granting samurai status was almost certainly one of the things they could do easily. If you are going to split hairs without actually knowing, what is the actual difference between samurai status and being given a house, sword, stipend and job as a bodyguard. Do you actually know the difference? If you are certain you know the difference, is it important? Is it important if you don’t have enough evidence to be certain he wasn’t granted samurai status?
@ForkSnorter: If just picking up a sword to defend your lord is all it takes to be a samurai, then that means every single person conscripted to fight in Japan was a samurai.
When it comes to history, you’ve got to back up your claims with evidence, it doesn’t work the other way around. There’s no proof that he was a samurai, and that’s that. I don’t need to prove he wasn’t, it’s on others to prove that he was. And not once has Thomas ever proven that Yasuke was a samurai.
I’ve even looked at the sources he listed in his books, and none of them ever actually say Yasuke was a samurai. Almost every mention of him is about his looks or his position next to Oda.
And it's cool if you think a samurai’s status is important, but it has to be granted to you, just like being knighted.
@Shiroi Okami: Do you have any original sources showing other people being granted samurai status?
Do you actually know what samurai status is?
My understanding is that peasants (farmers) were not allowed to have weapons. Samurai had the right to bear arms, specifically swords. This is the main difference. The other difference is being granted a stipend from your lord (Daimyo). A samurai serves his lord, just like Yasuke did.
The rulers of Japan at that time were all Samurai. It was a samurai-dominated world. All the daimyo were samurai. If you joined those rulers in their world, as Yasuke did, you are samurai, like them. There were distinct classes at that time: Samurai, merchants, peasants, monks, imperial family. Yasuke belonged to the samurai class.
@ForkSnorter: Lol you guys need a room.
I want to go to Japan, stay there for a year, then hopefully I will become fully fledged samurai.
@ForkSnorter: Toyotomi Hideyoshi was granted samurai status by Oda Nobunaga in the Shinchō-kōki.
Katō Kiyomasa was granted samurai status by Toyotomi Hideyoshi in the Kiyomasa Kōki.
Honda Masazumi was granted samurai status by Tokugawa Ieyasu in the Tokugawa Jikki.Samurai was a status/rank granted by a daimyō or shōgun, and sometimes by higher-ranked samurai, such as jitō, shugo, or hatamoto.
Commoners could be granted samurai status until Toyotomi Hideyoshi (listed above) outlawed it. While it was not entirely impossible to become a samurai afterward, it became extremely difficult.Peasants were allowed to own weapons until Toyotomi Hideyoshi implemented the Sword Hunt Policy, which banned them from owning most types of weapons, including swords, spears, and bows. Before that, peasants could own almost any kind of weapon, but they had to purchase them themselves, as lords rarely provided weapons for them. This is why armor and swords were rare because they were expensive and had to be passed down for generations.
Yes, almost all daimyō were samurai, but not all samurai were daimyō. If someone became a daimyō, they were usually already a samurai or were granted samurai status at the same time. Yasuke never joined the ruling class or became a daimyō.
In comparison to European feudalism, samurai were similar to knights, as their status could be granted by the ruling class (nobles). Likewise, most nobles were also knights, usually serving under a higher-ranking noble.
Passing off bullsh#@t as history until they get called out on it, amongst other bad practices.
Downvoted for telling the truth?
Passing off bullsh#@t as history until they get called out on it,
what is the bull***t they're passing off as history?
Why?
Ubisoft hanging on by a thread..
I think this game will make or break them..
Why do you say that? Just Dance 2026 is coming out soon, with an incredible 171 base songs.
Can't tell if you're joking or not 😂
User name didn't check out this time…
Can't wait to learn some Japanese history
I went non-buy-nary on this :P
Hard pass.
Lesson learnt on Ubisoft games long ago - almost all end up being $29-$39 within 6 months usually once DLCs are released.
Last Ubisoft game I played was prince of Persia on PS2. What masterpiece.
This will be their last game
Complete and utter disinterest on this one.
Historical Japan has been done a lot (and well) recently by games like Ghost of Tsushima. And not retconned like this one!
Read a book if you want to learn history. This is a computer game.
But it is coming to consoles too
You can accept dragons, elves and talking trees, but you can't accept a 2021 BMW 5 Series 530i with optional heated seating. Why are you so bigoted?
Historical accurate game: Ubisoft.
The whole point of this game series is that it's the same game over and over, but set in different historical places. The history is the point.
Have you played the series?
It is set in past historical times. It does contain historical figures. And many of the stories are inspired by real events or mythology. But it is so far from historically accurate.
Why do you have issue with this one inaccurate detail? Why not the hundreds of other historically incorrect details? Why do you expect a game series that has never been historically accurate to suddenly be focusing on being a historical simulation.
It is set in past historical times. It does contain historical figures.
Yes, and you don't play as any of them. In every game, you played as a murderhobo "Forrest Gump" fictional character.
And many of the stories are inspired by real events or mythology. But it is so far from historically accurate.
Yes, they did take creative liberties with historical events, but they at least tried to keep things authentic, including officially ruling out crossbows in the first game because it didn't fit the setting. And in some of the more recent games, loudly proclaiming that they're bringing aboard historical experts for that very purpose.
Not to mention that Ubisoft explicitly claimed that the long development time for AC:S was to make it "as authentic as possible".
All of which contributes to why it irks people even more when AC:S has a player character based on a real person (or rather, Thomas Lockley's historical fanfiction "True Story" version thereof), and keeps making embarassing blunders on multiple fronts with regards to historical authenticity and respect for Japanese culture.
A quick list of Ubisoft's blunders regarding AC:S, just off the top of my head (nowhere near all inclusive):
- Using a replica of Zoro (a One Piece character)'s katana to promote the game at Japan Expo.
- Copying the banners of Japanese historical reenactment groups without permission.
- Oda Nobunaga wearing an upside down version of his clan emblem.
- Having square tatami mats.
- Promotional statue featuring a broken Torii gate.
- Having watermelons and flora of 4 different seasons growing in the same place at the same time.
@pj1351: The black samurai character isn't as farfetched as some people think though.
From Wikipedia:
Much of what is known about [Yasuke] is found in fragmentary accounts in the letters of the Jesuit missionary Luís Fróis, Ōta Gyūichi's Shinchō Kōki (信長公記, Nobunaga Official Chronicle), Matsudaira Ietada's Matsudaira Ietada Nikki (松平家忠日記, Matsudaira Ietada Diary), Jean Crasset's Histoire de l'église du Japon and François Solier's Histoire Ecclesiastique des Isles et Royaumes du Japon.Keep in mind, William Adams who arrived in Japan in 1600, became friends with Tokugawa, and also became a samurai.
William Adams
The novel "Shogun" is based on his experiences.
@Aureus: Because this indicative of an eye rolling trend that was taking off when they designed this game.
I don't want it to be incentivised to continue.
Jin Sakai wasn't a real person. He's a fictional character made by Sucker Punch.
Haven't been following it much. Which part is retconned (other than the ancient aliens stuff)?
Yasuke
You know Yasuke was a real person, right?
Sure the game is unlikely to be completely accurate to his character, but not that is known about him.
Plus, Wolfie was comparing it to Ghost of Tsushima which is a fictional story based on a fictional characters.
@GunnerMcDagget: Yes, that's the point.
Altair - fictional.
Ezio - fictional.
Connor - fictional.
Aveline - fictional.
Edward - fictional.
Etc - all fictional, but based on being a playable character that's native (or at least common, like Edward) to the regions that the games are set in.And then all of a sudden, they decide to make one based on the historical fanfiction of a real person that's effectively a fish out of water for the setting, instead of a fictional character that's native to the setting.
@pj1351: There's two playable characters though. And one is native. I get the complaints. It's the fact that the people that don't have issue with do have issue with Matt Damon saving the Great Wall of China.
My point is that I don't have issue with any of it. If they want a real life character, even if it was someone who wasn't native to the country, I don't see a problem. If you don't like it, don't play the game.
Plus, the argument Wolfie was making was that it's "retconned" while it's not.
cant wait for Assasins creed : Nanjing
Featuring houses with Korean architecture, everyone eating sushi, and the deluxe edition of the game including a clock and a green hat.
ayo relax
Can't wait to play a black guy beating up some Asians
Can't wait to play a black guy
beating up some Asians.Fixed.
With a hip pop sound track in the background
this game will be 90% off within 2 weeks 😂
Remember: no preorders!
Well, this isn't a pre-order. It's a launch day deal.
No launch day deal for me till I check out some independent reviews first.
Look interesting but unsure if I want to commit.Fair enough, was just trying to highlight that this isn't a preorder.
I will also be waiting until reviews drop on the 18th to find out more.
What preorder?
Get comfortable with not owning games
Wonder if BigW would price match. Have a giftcard from there
hold
Hold.. what?
Till BigW has it?
price reduction :) these games usually go down significantly and given the game had so many bad reviews on gameplay, I would wait tbh.
Hopefully Amazon will price match on the day. I quite enjoyed Valhalla. Looking forward to this one.
Even you want to buy it, maybe wait until its reach below 10…I have high confidence this will be similar to concord lol
GOTY
Yeah.. nah…
Ubisoft should become comfortable with the idea of not owning their company.
Hard pass.
This game will be free on Epic after a month LOL
This will go the way of Dragon age: Failguard, it will be a free game in a month or two, hodl even if you are thinking about wasting your money on this rubbish.
For Xbox users, Ubisoft+ costs $23.95 per month—more than enough time to finish the game.
This game will be half price in about 2 or so weeks time and probably on game pass & PS+ soon within a month and during the launch month it will free with video cards.
I can see ubisoft itself becoming an ozbargin post, they'll be even cheaper to purchase when this game bombs.
$79? tell em they're dreaming
The entertainment industry has made a lot of bad decisions in recent times. You can add the Snow White movie soon as well.
You wonder how much more money they’re prepared to lose.Based on gameplay videos, big black guy sure has an interesting way of assassinating by bashing a big club through the walls.
Got 60 hours into AC Valhalla a few years ago and, for the first time in an AC game, I gave up out of sheer boredom. Probably only 50% through the game, but it became clear that it was designed with micro transaction character levelling in mind.
I’ll give this one a miss.
When I discovered that all references to the Isu across the AC series was completely made up I lost all faith in the series. For the longest time I believed a superior race of aliens were responsible for human civilisation and that if I could find all the hidden artifacts scattered all over the world I could unlock the secrets of the Creed and defeat the Knights Templar. I'm so disappointed in Ubisoft for having made all this up. They've been lying to us the whole time!
Nah they've only just started lying to us now by having a skin colour We The People™ don't agree with.
I hope this game is bombed…don't mess with history for your woke agendas
go woke go broke.
Multiple delays, multiple controversies, not to mention the recent failures from a games studio that refuses to eat humble pie and listen to its customers. This has more red flags than a communist convention.
It's a hard no from me, dawg.
Pretty sure this won't be well received and discounted soon after
Valhalla is a fantastic game, not surprised.
Is this the game where you can play a black dude and slaughter thousands of Japanese in their own country?
Some of you snowflakes get easily triggered by the sight of a black person. Shut the fart up about historical accuracy in a video game series that had you play as the reincarnations of Odin and Loki.
I look forward to the same enthusiasm when it's Assassin's Creed: Africa, featuring the one Chinese dude who went there in the 8th century as the male playable protagonist, instead of being an African native.
Make it and if it's good I'll play it. Is there gonna be a black female character that you can also play as that everyone seems to conveniently forget?
What if you can play as one Asian guy and one black woman?
If that's genuinely going to be the ongoing convention in the Assassin's Creed series moving forward? With one fictional PC that's a native to the region and one that's loosely based on a real person that was a visitor?
Then I don't see a problem with it.
Meanwhile, IGN on Resident Evil 5 (featuring one white guy and one black woman in Africa): "It's time to rewrite, not remake."
@pj1351: I liked Resi 5 more than most, but the issue wasn't the white guy. There was a lot of debate around the issues in the game, but the main one was the fact that Africans were just portrayed as uncivilised savages (before they got infected)
@GunnerMcDagget: Nah, don't try to rewrite history that I lived through.
Chris being a "white savior" killing black people in Africa, was integral to the shitstorm stirred up by the Western gaming media.
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Guess i'll have to stop shopping at target in 4 days