Folks,
Hot topic right now, especially in VIC with the current state of home invasions and/or car theft. I’ve got CCTV covered, though wanting to add additional security by the means of an alarm system.
Current looking at the Bosch 6000 which ticks a lot of boxes including internet connectivity. Would love to get suggestion or advice on those who have the system or can recommend something else?
Cheers
We're about to do our second Paradox system. Bosch was the second option. Yes, the Paradox screen might not look as fancy but price and options wise it ticked the boxes.
Will check that out. How do you rate it so far?
Personally I like it. Easy user friendly controls, panic button for EMS call out etc. It has to be simple as we have elderly parents visiting (so I need a 'alarm on' button, no code etc).
Technically advanced, easy for dummies 😏
Where to buy paradox systems? Is it online reseller?
@ATTS: Ours is through a security system installer. They can order via wholesale. Most decent security services would be familiar with Paradox and Bosch
What security screens do you currently have on?
Crimsafe on front door and laundry. Nothing however will stop entry through a broken window. Other alterntati r is roller shutters throughout though that’s $$
If you are looking to upgrade glass in the future, consider 6mm+ laminate.
Not impossible to break through but the time vs noise is a major deterrent.
Also, what gangs?
Good to see the Vic government uses OzB.
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though wanting to add additional security by the means of an alarm system.
So you want to wake the neighbourhood, when there is a false alarm inside the house?
He could be doing the neighbourhood a favour by saving their houses from being broken into as well. Usually crooks do a few homes at once. If one has an alarm, well then off they go and it saves others.
Those crooks are pretty advanced these days, they first turn off the power, wearing fully dark clothes with masks, too hard to pick even with HD cam.
OP probably needs one with a battery backup.
If OP got a CCTV well covered, why do we need to monitor inside lol
Everyone should be having a UPS for any security measure to help with the potential power issue.
If OP got a CCTV well covered, why do we need to monitor inside lol
Because they don't care about cameras anymore and most of the time alarms will notify police/security company, so it is a good deterant.
@geekcohen: This. 100%
Alarm comes with backup internal battery for power issues too.
False alarms can certainly happen, having remote access/notifications can help mitigate that as best as possible. Neighbours are also good friends now and fully on board.
If OP got a CCTV well covered, why do we need to monitor inside lol
CCTV is just one aspect of your overall home security strategy.
@DoctorCalculon: Tall fences make it easier for thieves to hide behind while thet find the best way into your house.
Tall fences make it easier for thieves to hide
Surely, you are taking the piss here?
So, would you recommend a 1m high fence then?
Yes, if someone is dedicated enough to break into your home, they will find a way - tall fence or no fence.
@DoctorCalculon: How tall donyou suggest the fence is? It's not hard for an average height person to get over a standard height fence. I'm just suggesting that security isn't a simple as it seems. There are pros and cons to many aspects.
How tall donyou suggest the fence is?
Generally 1.8M - 2.1M.
Anything above 1.5M height will probably require a Building Permit in most residential areas (unless your property is next to an arterial road).
@DoctorCalculon: So not tall enoigh to be very difficult to climb over , but quite easy to hide behind.
So not tall enoigh to be very difficult to climb over
I would like to see you climb over a 2M high metal fence (with vertical slats).
After you have done that and figured out where the camera blind spots are, and broken into my home … can you withstand the piezo screamer, and the siren that is sure to wake at least one of the neighbours? ;)
@DoctorCalculon: Im not as agile as i once was. Pretty sure i could still climb over a 2m fence if there was a decent incentive. The average height oerson can reach the top. If prepared, its not hard to lean something against a fence to get over it a lot easier.
Yes, your other points are still active measures for deterring break ins, but if a burglar is on the other side of a fence they are also out of view of the rest of the neighbours. This gives them a lot more time to consider the rest of the job. It wouldnt be hard to walk past with a phone above the fence recording the view to determine camera locations.
That was my initial point: Fences are ok, but they also provide hiding spaces.
If prepared, its not hard to lean something against a fence to get over it a lot easier.
Why not just bring two tall ladders and an accomplice to get the job done properly?
My question was: Could you climb over the smooth metal surface without any mechanical aid because you are not exactly Spiderman?
That was my initial point: Fences are ok, but they also provide hiding spaces.
I thought it was kind of pointless. If I wanted to scout the place properly, I would just fly a drone, not hide behind a fence or the bushes.
And I have already said this to you. If someone smart is dedicated enough to break in with the necessary technology at their disposal, they will figure out a way past all security and deterrent measures.
That doesn't mean we give up, and think tall fences are a bad idea.
My question was: Could you climb over the smooth metal surface without any mechanical aid
Yes, i reckon i could climb over a smooth 2m fence if i had to. its not much over head height and easy to reach the top to start climbing.
One of the recommendations for security is to remove blind spots and hiding spots so criminals cant breaking in out of view of others.
Cameras are good, but dont do much more than record an image of someone with a face covering and maybe send you an alert so you can send the police 20min after the crims have gone.
Sirens are good, but if the crim is prepared theyll just get out a bit quicker. By the time someone investigates crims are gone.
That doesnt mean we give up and do nothing, but that you consider various risk factors and make the best decision for you. For me, im not going to install a massive fence and make me feel like im in a prison.
i got one of these its all wireless sensors so even better for me in my rental house and it has a loud alarm and even sends alerts live to my mobile like that one time my d1ck head real estate w@nk walked into my house without me there to let them in. great system.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/175568649610?_skw=Chuango+H4-LTE…
Wow! That’s solid use case. Will look into this too
In the same boat and thinking about Ajax alarm system. A bit pricey though…
judging from the videos circulating for even my local area - alarms do nothing if at all.
especially under age crims who know they'll be back on the street within 24 hours if caught.
I'd recommend looking at securing everything as well as possible, and try to make the place look less like a good target.
i find any half decent alarm system with a siren decently loud enough (100db i feel is fk all) - is actually a pretty large amount of money.
Agree to an extent. The alarm 🚨 in most cases however id imagine would spook them off.
Other alternatives are roller shutters throughout the home windows.
if u have the budget, roller shutters would be good - but then theres a question of (extremely unlikely) scenario i suppose like house fire and ability to escape especially if no power.
Consider adding a high quality piezo screamer.
But don't go testing it on yourself. ;-)
We have Bosch 6000 at work. About $120 annual monitoring fee payable to Bosch if you want the notifications on your phone. You can arm disarm remotely. The main unit is wired to the router with CAT cable. We also have a NES dialer with sim card (Aldi mobile payg ~$5-10 a year) connected to it for GSM dialing in case your NBN is down. It does the job OK. If you go for this, make sure you go for a standalone install meaning the installer will give you the installer's code and the annual fee is your responsibility with Bosch. If they insist to keep the installer's code secret from you, they are dodgy. You will need to pay them annual fee, which can be whatever they decide.
Awesome. Will keep that in mind. Good to hear it’s working well.
That's good to know. Thank you. May I ask why you choose 6000 and not 3000, as I googled they say 3000 is for residential? Any benefits?
I don't remember why we chose 6000 as it was a few years ago. I remember we could have gone with 3000 too, but the money wasn't an issue so we went with 6000 over some functionality.
Thanks. I love the part money wasnt an issue ;)
I have BOSCH 6000 at home. Go for hard wired detectors over the wireless ones. We had a mixture of both and I have just spent the weekend in the ceiling running cable to replace the wireless ones as they are annoying - they time out to save battery, and they are less reliable. I am an electrician so installed and programmed it myself.
Awesome insight, did you utilise the rfid tags? Terminology might be wrong but it’s where you can tap off/on to arm or disarm ?
I have the Bosch 3000 at home with wired sensors and the IP module (which lets you disable/enable the alarm using the phone app)
I'm pretty happy with it.
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