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Philips Hue Garnea White Ambiance 800 Lumens Downlight 90mm $39 + Delivery ($0 C&C/ in-Store) @ JB Hi-Fi
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sumyungguy on 27/05/2025 - 15:05 jbhifi.com.au (1822 clicks)
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800 lumens approximates 60W incandescent, just need to be wary if you're swapping out 50W halogens with 36° or 60° beam angle
I've been using these lights for years, across two houses, and never once found them dim, they're fantastic!
I think it depends on what each person considers dim. I have Philips Hue Colour Ambiance Downlights, and I was expecting them to be brighter—but they’re actually dimmer than my ordinary cheap 90mm downlights. I’ve got more than a dozen SAL S9041TC 10W ($18 AUD each), and they’re noticeably brighter.
These can be about 7-25% brighter depending on colour temperature:
Lumens 850/1000/900
CCT 3000/4200/5700At the end of the day, if you don’t choose the right angle and power for your lighting design, it doesn’t matter how bright the bulb is. 25% can be too bright if you have lights too close.
Agree, we have these in the bedrooms kitchen and living areas of the house and they are so much brighter than what we had before, or maybe it just feels that way because the beam angle is better and you don't end up with shadows half way up your walls.
Really depends on where they are located and how many you have. For example, we might aim for general lighting of a bedroom to be around 1500 to 3000 lumens. depending on size and how bright you like it. That means 2-4 of these downlights would be sufficient for most people.
This site has a nice calculator. https://www.alconlighting.com/blog/residential-led-lighting/…
Thanks for the calculator. My living room is 8x6, and at the moment I have 7 Philips Hue Colour bulbs (800 lm each). According to the calculator, I need about 6 more lights - which sounds about right. My initial statement was correct: make sure to install enough. The cheap 90mm downlights I have in the other room are brighter because they’re 10W.
Could be one of the reasons 1) it's the 600lm version instead of 800lm gen 2 (I have 600lm Garneas and they're indeed dimmer than my Akari RGB), or 2) it's adjusted to either higher or lower than 6500K white. Those lights won't reach its highest luminance on other colour temperatures.
They are definitely not as bright as my previous Nue downlights but they work much much better
Are you talking about older version or the newer ones ? Older ones were only 600 lumens
Apparently a load of chud.
lifx downlights are great but exy
Has anyone tried mixing v1 and v2?
I got 6 v1 + 2 v2 + 8 colour running for one year without any issue.
And do you use them in the same room? is there an issue with brightness difference ?
$39? rip
To limit further sales at $35.10
Been this price for ages. Got a bunch and they work well with home assistant and zigbee2mqtt.
Do you need the Hue Bridge for it to work, or is it generally compatible with the common zigbee controllers?
I don't own these, but from the above statement, they don't need the Hue Bridge.
I connect these lights to a poe powered zigbee controller. Works perfectly.
What solution are you using if you don’t mind sharing?
Nah. I have a generic sonoff hub. Works perfect.
I'm know they're smart - or at least much smarter than me - but can anyone elaborate on what makes these so much better than these which are $5.40 each?
https://www.bunnings.com.au/click-8w-90mm-recessed-cct-downl…?
Beyond basic scheduling, what exactly are you doing via Alexa or the Googles that makes these such good value?
- you can change the colour temperature. I find warm white feels nicer at night
- being able to dim lights with your voice is useful, esp if you don't want to move from a comfy bed, sofa or if you're eating etc
- you can link them to Hue motion sensors which are way cheaper and easier to install vs hardwired ones esp in apartments. Hardwired ones usually are nowhere as customisable for example if you want them to be dimmer after a certain time of day, or switch off instead of reverting to their previous brightness.
- the dimmers/switch are also cheap, and you can install them anywhere with no sparky. Eg when we first moved in, the light switch to the living room was not in a logical place. When we switched to Hue, I put the switch exactly where I needed it. Again, particularly useful in apartments.
Thanks!
You can also turn on/off and dim individual lights even if they are on the same switch.
Yes, I didn't mention how you can connect any light to any switch or sensor (or multiple), and control them individually. For example, sometimes in my study I watch TV etc. I want some backlight, so I just have all lights off except one behind me that I have on a dim level. I use a flic button stuck on my remote for that.
There are definitely caveats of course:
- Your original light switches may need to covered up otherwise guests etc may turn off the power to all of your lights
- as mentioned, these lights esp the version 1 lights are not very strong. That's not an issue in my apartment with quite low ceilings.
- there can be glitches - eg occasionally one light may not respond to a Google/Alexa command. This is fine for techy types but maybe not for spouses or others used to the flawless operation of dumb lights. That said, the Hue system is way more reliable in my experience than wifi based smart lights like LifX, because the latter can get patchy esp at the extreme ends of a home.
We're in an apartment and our living area is basically one big space, which is now completely lit with hue lights (mixture of downlight, E27 globes and strips).
Biggest benefits for me are:
Being able to have cool white light during the day that matches the sunlight coming in through the windows, while switching it to a nice warm light in the evening.
Having a mode for watching TV/reading at night (very warm, dim in the area around the TV/couch, predominantly indirect light) which I can switch in and out of with a remote from the couch.
Having one hue switch next to the front door that just turns off all the lights when we walk out the door, and being able to do it from my phone when I've climbed into bed and left something on.
A ramped transition when you switch the lights on/off or change scenes. Didn't think this would be a big deal, but after temporarily using a few lights that mostly worked, but lacked a transition for changes it was really apparent how jarring it was.Are they actually worth the money? Eh, hard to say. I wouldn't want to give them up, but I've also picked up most of the lights either on really good specials, or used.
I'm know they're smart…
I call such lights "connected".
The "smartness" has to be implemented somewhere else (Hue Bridge/HomeAssistant/something else).Consider we need lighting daily after sunset for amenity and safety. Lights in my home: change colour to match the time of day, turn on around sunset in key places, illuminate dark hallways via motion detection and bedrooms when the occupant arrives home, change brightness in places where they function as night lights, ramp up from 1 to 100% when anyone approaches my front entry, respond to presence in our kitchen overnight, turn off via voice commands at bedtime.
Just buy the aldi ones when they stock them again
They have it in stock atm. Just saw them today. Don't know how they compare with these ones though
They’re not comparable.
The Aldi ones are WiFi and Tuya-based. I’ve owned Tuya products from several different brands and they’re all a bit crap and unreliable. Despite having perfect wifi coverage throughout the house and outside (I have 3 WiFi access points spread throughout and have tuned the signal strength for each accordingly), Tuya WiFi products don’t stay connected reliably and often require resetting. The money you save on the lights ends up costing you later with frustration.
Meanwhile my Zigbee lights (a mix of Hue and IKEA Tradfri) all have functioned perfectly for at least 5 years so far. They don’t need an internet connection to work either as they work locally.
But what's the CRI???
Any cheaper ones with Home Assistant integration possibility? I have 10 lights in my living room controlled by 4 switches…
Any comments on the quality of light? I replaced all my lights in my old house with this and I was quite happy with them. Cheapest led downlight with CRI 90+
https://thelightingoutlet.com.au/products/90mm-blight-led-do…
Can these be added where a dimmer already exists?
Philips says no
Thank you very much.
But if you’re swapping out halogen downlights for LED you do have other options
Damn I pulled out a downlight in one of my rooms and confirmed it was a regular power plug.
So I bought one of these to test and it looked good.Ordered 5 more to complete the room (6 total on that switch) and they arrived today.
Pulled out the next downlight and it looks to be a non regular plug.Pulled the next one out and sure enough again it's not the regular plug.
How unlucky the one that I chose to test was the right plug whereas the rest are not. Also why would the lights on one circuit be different?
Is this a quick job for a sparky to change?You're replacing 60° with 110°; are you OK with the greater light spread? You'll need a sparky to cable the others with surface sockets but in future you can DIY replacements. Super quick job, especially if you pull them all down before they arrive.
Yep fine with the light spread. It does give more of a glaring effect to the eye given the spread but wanted to replace the lights so I could dim the room easily, plus I'm already heavy in the Hue ecosystem.
Might have to rethink it now instead.
Now showing as $84 😐
If you're quick, Bunnings hasn't updated yet
Thankyou!
These lights are quite dim, so be sure to install enough of them on your ceiling.