Recommendations for Ducted Reverse Cycle Air Conditioning Units

Hello everyone,

My current ducted RCAC is on its way out and I think this is the best time of the year to replace the unit before summer hits Perth.
My current unit is a 3 phase 17kW unit with 11 outlets and 2 zones which is really old, 28 years so its performing as its meant to do due to its age. Am looking at upping the zones to 7 keeping the same outlets so i can better utilize the newer system with one of the new wifi compatible control systems like myAir or Air Touch 5.

Trying to look for model and am thinking of either 18kW or 20kW - 3 phase units. Wondering will it be better to go for the 20kW units if there is not much difference in price or will it be not efficient as in drawing a lot more power, am guessing will have to do with ramp down percentages on how far it goes for the 20kW models. The house area that the air con will cover is about 173 sqm, though the chances of the entire area being cooled/heated at the same time is rare.

Units that am considering are

18kW Models (cooling/heating)

Daikin FDYQ180LCV1/ RZYQ7T2Y1 (18/20) kW - 5 YEAR WARRANTY
Fujitsu ARTG65LHTA / AOTG65LRLA (18/20) kW - 5 YEAR WARRANTY
Mitsubishi Electric PEA-M180LAA / PUZ-ZM180YKA (18/20) kW - 5 YEAR WARRANTY
Panasonic S-180PE4R / U-180PZH3R8 (18/20) kW - 5 YEAR WARRANTY

20kW Models (cooling/heating)

Daikin FDYQ200LCV1 / RZYQ8TY1 (20/22.4) kW - 5 YEAR WARRANTY
Fujitsu ARTC72LATU / AOTA72LALT (20.3/22.6) kW - 5 YEAR WARRANTY
Haier ADH200H1ERK-SET (ADH200H1ERG / 1UH200W1ERK (20.5/22.8) kW - 5 YEAR WARRANTY
Mitsubishi Electric PEA M200LAA/ PUZ-ZM200YKA - 5 YEAR WARRANTY
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries FDUA200VH / FDCA200VSA-W (20/22.4) kW - 5 YEAR WARRANTY
Panasonic S-200PE4R / U-200PZH3R8 (20/22.4) kW - 5 YEAR WARRANTY
Toshiba RAV-RM2241DTP-E2 / RAV-GM2241AT8-A (20/22.4) kW - 7 YEAR WARRANTY

A lot to think about, looking for any feedback/experience with anyone having any of these models installed in your house or Air Con experts over here that have some advice on what model I should be considering would be much appreciated. Am trying to research but there is so much information and makes choosing very difficult for someone like me who is not very well versed with Air Con tech.

Would be very helpful if anyone from Perth, has any installers that can be recommended by you'll.

Many Thanks.

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  • Daikin, Mitsubishi Electric or HI. All have good after-sales service/in-house warranty and generally easy access to replacement parts.

  • I've read in a few places that the high capacity ME units can be unbearably noisy.

  • We have had our Mitsubishi Electric reverse cyle ducted installed in 2000…it still runs sweet today.
    It is an old school 3 phase system NOT a single phase inverter type.
    Based on that performance I recommend a Mitsubishi.
    ** we do get it serviced every 2 years

  • Other than Haier, the above brands are all good, it's just based on preference and the quality of the installation. I'd pick one that can ramp down the lowest.

    Personally, I'd ask the recommendations of the installer you are using, e.g. how often they install them and if they are warranty agents for that brand.

    Could be the best brand in the world but if they haven't used it before, you're better getting a brand they install frequently.

    Personally for a 173 sqm house, I'd go 18kW because they generally can ramp down lower than a 20kw model can. a 18kW should be able to do the whole house at the same time too.

  • +1

    Thanks everyone for your helpful insight,

    Was looking at ramp downs
    The ME models ramp down to 4.9 kW (EER 3.20 / COP 3.92 combined average - 3.57) and (EER 3.07 / COP 3.75 combined average 3.41), which is impressive but as can be seen the EER and COP numbers are not as good which is weird as you think the EER (energy efficiency reading) and COP (Coefficient of Performance) would be better as it ramps down to 4.9 kW which equates to 27.2% and 24.5% ramp down for cooling / 24.5% and 21.9% ramp down for heating for the the 18kW and 20 kW models.

    The next best is Panasonic ramping down to 5.5 kW cooling and heating (EER 3.32 / COP 3.75 average - 3.53) for 18kW model and 5.7 kW for cooling and 5.5 kW for heating (EER 3.33 / COP 3.67 average - 3.5) for the 20 kW model. The ramp down percentages on these are 30.6% (18kW) and 28.5% (20kW) for cooling and for heating it is 27.5% (18kW) and 24.6% (20kW)

    The MHI goes down to 6.9 kW for the 20 kW (EER 3.46 / COP 4.12 average - 3.79 ) - these have the best EER and COP but not so good on the ramp down percentage of 34.5% (cooling) and 30.80% (heating).

    For all the talk on the market that Daikin are one of the best as they only specialize in air cons, it only ramps down to 9 kw (18kw) and 10kW (20 kW) models.

    Wondering what figures to consider, the ramp down percentage or the EER/COP numbers to make an informed call on choosing the right unit.

    In addition do I need to be concerned about the air flow on these models as in the minimum and maximum l/s for when using only a single zone and vice versa when using a lot of the zones at the same time. Again some brands give you these numbers but not all of them - some have nominal and maximum airflow.

    What rating for the ducting is recommend and does is make much difference, R1.0 is recommended but is there any real value in using R2.0 or more, it will be understandably more expensive for the higher R2.0 but is there a real value for the added cost of upgrading to this higher rating ?

    Also understand the need for a good installer and easy parts availability plus proper warranty on not only the unit but also on workmanship and other parts like the ducting used.

    I have put a lot of questions forward but trying to make the most informed decision before purchasing, look forward to more insight from the wonderful ozbargain community on the above, thanks.

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