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undoubtly the symbian bashers will be here shortly. Symbian might be out dated, but its still certainly usable, and Nokia's hardware is still one of the best around.
Much agreed. Nokia's hardware and built quality is still much superior to smartphones with advance software around. Design-wise its… mehhhh.
I was using E63? some time ago and the build quality… god it put me off Nokia
the phone was falling apart after using it for 1 year. and i do take a good care of my gadgets.
my iphone 3gs is 2 years old and it's still as good as new
HTC has as good if not better build quality (aluminium unibody on legend and desire s). as for OS… symbian's had its glory but s60v3 really doesn't hold much against iOS and gingerbread
The N8 uses Symbian^3 which is quite an overhaul over the earlier s60 iterations. Sure, it may not look as pretty as iOS, but you do get true multitasking.
As a long term user of Nokia, the OS in the latest phones is a big let down.
In the past Nokia had a consistent interface, now it does not.
Sometimes pulling a list down moves it up; sometimes pulling a list down moves it down (depending which app or page you are on).
The way to work with maps is all over the place; try setting up a few routes and a few favourites, scrolling around to look at a route the phone is planning (you can't just zoom in and push the map around … you must either work with a fixed overview where you can only zoom on the centre of the path or you let Nokia take you through each turn it plans except it will jump to a nearby favourite instead of showing you a turn that you try to look at) …
The whole design needed an overhaul :( It's like they had different designers heading up different parts of applications or something :(
Then the occasional crash was awful. I've only had it crash maybe 15 - 20 times, but some of those times was while I was driving along a freeway using the GPS feature of the 5800, heading out to the country :(
Then messaging now stops updating if the phone is left on for several days without a restart :(
There's also the memory management issue that available memory just keeps going down and down, even though you close applications etc There are pages about manual routines that take around 2 hours, to try and get back some of the memory on the phone (and can require reinstalling applications possibly requiring reacquring of your software licenses :S)
I can work around the quirks to some extent but the 5800 has made me wary of going to another Nokia smartphone. Then I've spoken with people who have Windows based smartphones (Nokia is switching to Windows) and hearing about phones frequently crashing with that OS leaves me discouraged about the whole Nokia line :(
… that said, the other phones seem to have different problems once you get past the fans and the advertisers raving about them. :S
That all said, theoretically the C6-01 or the X8 mentioned above have much more internal memory and one would hope would not suffer from the memory issues I've described. The 5800 has 80MB memory, C6-01 says it has up to 340MB and X8 I think has 1GB
As someone who owns a Windows Phone handset I can comfortably say I have not had a crash since I purchased it in December last year. Some HTC handsets were supposedly a bit temperamental but that has been resolved in the latest patches as far as I know.
When Nokia WP handsets launch with Mango later this year they will be very impressive. A solid OS with Nokia hardware is a very powerful combination!
I heard it from people with ASUS phones from about 4 years ago :)
That's nice to hear
Here's hoping they'll drop the price to increase initial interest, while they try to rebuild their share of the market :)
Windows Phone 7 is a completely different beast to every windows phone OS before it. you can safely throw all your previous experience/stories out the window, because it's definitely up there in quality.
… um … you really sound like so many sales people I've heard before :P
That kind of talk leaves me underwhelmed and extremely skeptical …
Like I said, if they could demonstrate working walk throughs, maybe upload the videos to Youtube, showing us that yes, at last, it's a smart phone that works and has been designed properly (in terms of interface) and that the physical implementation is good, I'd be impressed.
Otherwise, it's just more hype which at the moment correlates with disappointment :P
Regarding N8 problems, here's the EVP (former?) of Nokia confirming that some N8 users will find problems with the N8.
- No product recall to fix the problems (so faulty units will be left out there for people)
- No discussion of what can trigger the problem (so you can try to avoid it)
- No kits to try and prevent the problem should your phone have the issue
While there is a promise to swiftly repair/replace units which have a problem, he is basically saying he is shifting work load of finding the units that will fail, to the customers.
So much for quality control :(
If you have a unit with the problems he described, at a random point in time (you won't know when) maybe a few hours or months after you get the phone, the phone will crash and stop working.
They will replace or repair it under warranty. But the next phone you get may also be a dud.
You won't be sent a replacement while the unit is being fixed.
There are reports out there of people saying they are up to their 4th replacement :(
However, the phones, when they work, are supposed to be brilliant :P
People writing how much they love the phones. Even the people who have the phones fail, explain why they are onto their 4th replacement (rather than accepting a subsitute) is because of how much they like the phone. :P
But I don't like the idea that, I could be driving in the country and the GPS I'm using could fail while I'm on the highway or that I could be on holidays with this great HD pocket video camera that suddenly fails just as I want to catch an event :S
If they could do something about helping people avoid those random phone crashes (including with the Nokia 5800 which I have right now), it'd go a distance to restoring my trust in Nokia.
Free navigation was a good thing with free maps for the different countries.
Experiencing the phone shutting down unexpectedly, while I was following the GPS, driving out to the coutry, that was not a good thing.
"Like I said, if they could demonstrate working walk throughs, maybe upload the videos to Youtube, showing us that yes, at last, it's a smart phone that works and has been designed properly (in terms of interface) and that the physical implementation is good, I'd be impressed."
don't know if you're talking to me, but if you're talking about windows phone 7, there's plenty of videos on youtube and reviews showing what it's like. i've even played with a wp7 phone owned by a friend, so i'm not just spewing some sales spiel. yes it's rather sparse at the moment, but so was iOS at the beginning, and mango will fix most of that.
now, if only there was a wp7 phone with the power and screen of the galaxy s2, i'd definitely get one
sorry, I haven't been following it.
The other stuff sounded like sales spiel to me / fanboy as … I haven't watched any videos about Mango, at this stage. My reaction was to what I thought was sales spiel (I've been looking into other phones and am tired of all the sales spiel vs reality) :S
I didn't even know about it till it was mentioned here :S
even looking at the change log for mango though, there is a lot in there that makes you think wow what else are they missing?
change log for Mango?
Does it include an editor for Office? :)
much agreed… other phones 1GZ processors are no match for the n8's 680MHZ processors
and other phones 768MB ram is no match for the N8's 256MB ram!
oh oh, not to forget the 360 x 640 pixels, 3.5 inches screen poops over other 480 x 800 pixels, 4.3 inches screens!
wait…. somethings REALLY not right there…..
You were being sarcastic, right, rather than saying Nokia has done more with less ? … :)
I'm not sure about this but, the Nokia website says even the C6-01 has 340MB and says the N8 has 16 GB of internal memory. (Granted, they do not specify how much is available for running apps on the page I'm looking at)
Lol, yep, sarcastic…in regards to "garratt torlesse" comment on how good there hardware is…
Nokia was good in the 80's remember those brick phones, with the Lead acid batteries.
they had the market in the 90s and even in the early 2000's, produced crap and as such lost the market. i didn't mind them for a basic phone that just work, but tell you what if something went wrong they had no support what so ever, both I and a friend found out that the hardway…
oh … sorry to hear that.
I also liked their basic phones … I still have a nice one :) (Nokia 6300)
One of the nicest phones around, shame about the….
… everything? LOL
you're using the n8 right now aren't you and it just cut you off?
Running out of memory…
You can also get a milestone 2 for $29 a month + $5 handset repayment.
I have this phone it piece of crap like every day ,the touchscreen would stop functioning and the phone will freeze but otherwise good deal
how is it otherwise a good deal if it's crap for you
Well, if he's using it as a paperweight as opposed to his previous one in a block of gold bullion, then this is a damn good deal.
Mine works as it should, might be something wrong with yours. If it's not a hardware problem it should be pretty easy to fix.
Try the Nexus S on Vodafails $29 cap. you can add on 700mb of data for $4.
This price drop happened a while ago… Mentioned here
Good if u are specifically after a Nokia… otherwise better phones around.
Like what? I'm thinking about a change soon.
what network are you looking for?
if you don't mind voda look here
For virgin I would consider
Any network, I have been able to unlock all my phones so far.
Lol I do mind Voda but I buy my phones outright so network choice isn't an issue. A quick OS reinstall and I'm golden.
That first link is just a list of random phones, was that meant to go to any particular phone?
If not, I meant specifically what what phone is better than the N8? I've not yet seen a phone that can match the N8 is power, ability/support (like full flash support) and hardware. Power won't be hard to beat but the N8 carries a pretty full kit otherwise.
As for the second link WinPhone7 OS is even worse than S ^3…
As it always gets a mention, iOS is easy to use but weak hardware and a restrictive OS kills the iPhone for me.
only real good thing about n8 is the camera
oh and symbian has great offline ability (maps, voice) and backup/restore via ovi suite)
I found that android had better support than symbian in most things though (web,flash,gmail,facebook,contacts etc..)
nothing beats ios for apps
how about being able to access direct from USB drives and external hard drives and to play to a tv with HDMI? :)
yeah true good points,
I had video out on the 5800 but never used it,
can't imagine really using usb on the go either, i just use my phone as a usb drive now
mmm I've tried using video out for the 5800
It's pretty good for everything I tried except playing video :P
Photos etc come out crisp and clear … showing the navigator and all …
But play a video and the quality drops and the image is pretty blocky :S
I too have had a n73 and symbian was awesome at that time. The hardware is pretty decent on the n8 except for
the screen 360x640px
The processor(which can handle s^3) 600 MHz
The RAM 256MB compared to the Atrix which is 1GB
winPhone 7 is going to be pretty awesome with the Mango update
List of features for Mango
Here's a very biased but cool review of the mango update
Very much depends on the platform and budget.
S^3 and WP7 need less powerful phones than Android phones in general
If you do not like any of the Android phones due to come out, wait for the Nokia WP7 handsets and prepared to be amazed.
Mmm … I'm skeptical now, after what's happened etc.
It would be great though, if they came out with walkthroughs for all the common things people would do, say record it on video and then get people to look at it.
Maybe even before it's released, to make sure there's a consistent design across it all (or to show off that yes, at last, here's a smart phone which actually works well :P)
I've seen lots of glitzy and attractive promotions for many of the phones but the day to day use of them reveals the quirks a lot of the phones seem to have.
or better yet the samsung galaxy S on the Virgin\Voda $29 cap.
or the optus $29 cap as well
Yeah I really don't see any better phone than the Galaxy S for $29 per month.
if that's a challenge, possibly nexus s, or incredible s on virgin. all great phones though. still waiting for the galaxy s2
A shame you can't run android on the N8.
I wonder what ir would have cost Nokia to do the port.
Give it 12 months…
Check out NITDroid, I hear they are already playing with the N8
Not holding my breath. Have been waiting years for Nitroid on my dusty N800 :(
Worst phone ever, I'd say over 50% of these I sell will come back for ELF's within a week. I'd stay well clear of this phone.
? I checked your eBay seller details. I couldn't find any listings for Nokia X8s in there.
I've worked at 3/Vodafone for about 3 years now.
Oh, my apologies. I thought you were selling on eBay full time.
Lol at the negs, it's the truth.
he is right. these N8s overheat, and die far too quickly. even nokia admit it was a faulty device
Out of curiosity, what is your source on this? I'd be interested in the cause of that.
for anyone buying this phone i would recommend also buying spb shell
it revolutionises any symbian os
A little bit of awesome right there!
I have had the N8 for the past 7 months & no problems at all except I only had the phone freeze on me 3 times.
If you get one make sure you get it with no network branding. The network branding slow the phone down.
this is a fantastic phone for its price, aluminum construction, HDMI output, USB OTG Host (think usb keyboard/mouse/memory sticks), large onboard memory
I haven't had any problems with this and joikuspot on this is blistering fast, camera is incredibly good quality as well (for a phone camera)
playing 720P movies output to HDMI is the biggest plus from me though
also the possibilities with this phone are endless, you can connect a bluetooth keyboard, bluetooth mouse etc and have this phone functioning like a full computer (especially in the car :D, no touchies the phone)
i "tried" one of these before setting on the desire z….best choice i ever made(that said i am pretty let down by the camera on it), i was a bit of a nokia fanboi. after trying it for 15-20 minutes, i've been put off for life…
nothing says i love more than an open developing platform such as android :P
Hi wisc :)
Can I ask you some questions about the phone? (Mine's going off contract in a few months and I was wondering if there are any good smart phones out there)
Thanks for any time you have :)
interface is definitely smooth, one of the best things about this phone, the wife is easily frustrated and is pretty happy with that part. specially the slide out keyboard, it works a treat.
interface on the HTCs is the best for a reason.
* The camera quality isn't that great though.
* and she complains about the calls dropping out. (she thinks her ear hits the end call button, but it's not available when the phone is up to your ear. so not sure why its happening) happens occasionally but not a lot… not really sure why. - we're with optus. (AU delivered Z)
* also as you probably would have read, batter life is pretty bad, recharging every one to two days.
think we've maybe had one or two crashes since owning the phone. but cant really remember as they haven't been major or a drama or frequent enough to remember.
haven't used the GPS function too much as when ever I'm with the wife we're in her car and her head unit has a pretty good one, great with a 7" screen…
what is fantastic that i was playing with last night is the the interface integration.
hold the search key down- say something like "restaurants near me." it google searches them, brings up a map, you click the map, open it with the maps application and get driving/walking instructions to the location you ask for. (as its location aware it works fantastic) (this is using the GPS)
haven't had a good enough play around with the GPS to comment much more than that though… just that it seems ok.
the HTC site is pretty cool with the lost phone features too…
facebook and social site integration is also pretty good. the UI integration of things like weather etc really lends itself well to being used… my wife is definitely not tech savy but uses much more of the smart phone features, she only used her n95 to dial out and text… safe to say these phones offer more for all users.
the apps store is also cool.
I'll probably attempt to flog the phone when work opens up the network for other smart phones - if she wants something else with a better camera.
though I'm not sure if she will want something else - there isn't really anything else as good as this phone that has a great keyboard.
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