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Wih the release of the new IPad, as expected Apple have dropped the price of the old model and reduced SKUs to the 16Gb version, $429 For WiFi or $579 with 3G/WiFi. Hopefully the stores will go lower. I am not a rep, my IPad selected that for me LOL.
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Interesting how the 32GB and the 64GB iPad2's no longer exist. /weird
Yeah noticed that. Though not sure if this is RRP and the new default price that's it's classified as a bargain.
not weird at all. Apple do the same thing every time for iPhones and iPads. Keep the previous model but strip down the GB to make it a budget entry model. /normal
/ok then
LOL
didnt notice that - thanks.
does that make my 2 x 32g ipad2's collectors items ?
God I hope your joking.
joking in what way - theyre the kids ipads for school for now, but at years end i repossess them lol
Was that English? Maybe try again.
Only $100 and you can get the new one so not really a bargain yet
No but what is the real Benefit of the 3rd Gen version?
None, really.
The only reason they have given it the silly name of "new ipad" is because otherwise they'd have had to call it "ipad 2s" and given the game away. It's just an evolutionary catchup to the Android world, and the only reason its got such a stupidly high resolution (which you can't actually see) is because of the poor design decisions back in the beginning mean apple have to pixel double, they can't have any old resolution.
$399 (sorry $429 in Oz, even with the exchange rate) for 16GB isn't really a good price, but they need to leave space below it for the "ipad mini" release - their answer to the $199 Google Nexus/Play Tablet.
Expect $250-$299 for that sometime in the autumn.
God you Android fanboys that think you're some technology geniuses, who actually have no clue, amuse and annoy me so much at the same time. Crawl back under your rock.
I use ICS on my tablet and iOS on my iPhone 4, ICS (like Android in general) is a mess. Also, if you can't see the difference in the Retina display, you must be blind, or ignorant.
Edit:
Name ONE way the iPad is "catching" up to Android? Honeycomb and ICS wouldn't exists if it wasn't for Apple. Don't believe me? This is what tablets were before Apple came along:
http://www.indiaonrent.com/forwards/t/thinkpad/res/32pnwh.jp…
Get a grip.
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"$399 (sorry $429 in Oz, even with the exchange rate)"
US pricing does not include sales tax, whereas Australian pricing does (GST). Maybe spend less time "rooting" your Android, and more time learning about the real world?
Edit3:
There will never be an iPad Mini, unlike the clueless Android manufactures, Apple actually cares about usability.
Still say it won't happen. Rumours have been flying since the first Galaxy Tab.
Personally, I think they'd sell a bucketload of iPad mini's. Bigger than iPhone ie. better for your eyes, but more carrier friendly than the iPad which for me is too big to carry around daily. If the function was added and it wasn't too big I'd even use it for a phone:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/20…
Sigh, another fanboi, still on the coolaid.
Sorry, but you really need to do more research before opening your mouth. Everything posted is correct, there are big problems underlying ios and your desire for the old fashioned interface of apple blinds you to how much the copying is in the Android>apple direction.
Anyway, the point is that this is an evolutionary tweak, another iphone 4s. It's not really newsworthy.
PS taking exchange rate, GST etc. into account would give a price of $415
SighX2
Talking of "Research" then you would also have to take into account local US sales Tax. The mean of US taxes would be around 5% = $A20 more. (US state/city tax rates go from 0-11%)
And most brand name Android devices have a far greater uplift for Australian prices. So your original point here is???
As for features, you conveniently skip the quad core graphics processor upgrade.
And the Fanboi comment cuts both ways…..
Someone who is into one system has to come along and push their beliefs in another's post, and believes that they will change the world is rather in sane
SighX3
Typical Android fanboy. Doing nothing but making more claims of being some kind of free spirited trailblazer, whilst all us iOS users have apparently some how been brain washed into not looking at alternatives. All the while never actually saying WHY Android is apparently better than Jesus's left nut.
If you had bothered to read (you can read right?), I have an Android tablet. It's sitting next to me right now. I use it hourly. I also own a iPhone 4 and have used iPads many times. I find iOS far more enjoyable. Sure you can "tweak" Android alot more (bla bla bla), but I have a life and have better things to do with my time than sit and fiddle with my phone/tablet.
I continue to own a Android device because it was cheaper. Unlike most Android owners I'm willing to admit this, rather than mask my jealousy of not being able to afford an Apple product with hate.
Seriously, grow up. No one cares what phone or tablet OS you like. Using neither makes you superior but trying to claim otherwise is a sure fire way to make yourself look like a sad douche.
Vote down with no rebuttal? I thought you Android fans were technological geniuses living in the world of tomorrow today? Yet you can't even come up with a basic retort?
Run back to XDA.
Sigh^2
If ozpete and toady will look at my original comment, I was pointing out that it's really a catch-up, a placeholder, an 's' product. Therefore in reference to the original comment, there is no great benefit of it over the ipad 2 (something quite a few others have mentioned).
The idiot comments, the personal attacks, came from the apple fanbois trying to defend their fanatic belief in their system against all sense, fact or reality - unfortunately a too common disease. Thanks to sparkles for actually talking some sense (and to ozpete for recognising that the 7" ipad is coming, before he went off the deep end).
In short, if you don't have an ipad, and desperately need one for some particular application it will do, then buy this if you need a big screen, or more sensibly wait till Q3 and the mini ipad, which will probably be more realistically priced.
However, if you don't need a specifically ipad-centric app (and most don't) then look towards the 7" tabs from Asus/Google in May/June that will be much more keenly priced, and have a better, more flexible UX (IMHO).
Android provides you with the options to tailor your purchase to your needs, apple think that should be the other way round.
PS never been jealous of an apple product, and certainly not with the iphone or ipad. Always been too many reasons not to buy.
Oh no you're not getting out of it that easily.
You said, the new iPad is Apple trying to catch up with Android, yet you STILL haven't said in what regards it actually needs to catch up?
"big problems underlying ios"
Like?
"your desire for the old fashioned interface"
The app launcher allows quick launching of apps. Seems logical rather than "old fashioned" to me. Maybe you need to justify yourself here to.
"copying is in the Android>apple direction"
All I can think of is the notification shade, anything else to back this claim up either?
"PS taking exchange rate, GST etc. into account would give a price of $415"
As ozpete pointed out, you were wrong here. Unless you got something else to say?
"their system against all sense, fact or reality"
You sir are the one who hasn't bother to state any facts, rather a punch of arrogant idealistic 'indie' garbage.
"more flexible UX (IMHO)."
Why would I want a 'flexible' UX. If I'm paying for a device the usability of it should have already been designed by experts, rather than having to install third party widgets/launcher created by pimply faced kids in their parent's basement.
"Always been too many reasons not to buy."
Like?
Oh FFS. Right, for those incapable of doing the research, or critical thinking, I'll give you one last update:
"…the new iPad is Apple trying to catch up with Android"
Screen resolution, memory, processor cores, processor speed. All catchup and basically all you get extra with the ipad3. Still hasn't caught up with : No widgets, no flexibility in UI, no removable storage, no removable battery… before you even start looking for the reasonable price options.
"big problems underlying ios"
In built resolution dependence that's going to need a substantial update to fix - hence pixel doubling, hence this daft resolution. Then there are the problems with multi-tasking and multi-threading which either aren't there or are hack jobs. That means there are particular problem when you go forward (threads vs cores)
"your desire for the old fashioned interface"
Its based upon a single application viewpoint, find an application, start it, run it, stop it. Doesn't really scale to the multi-tasking view, which is part of the reason for no widgets, and thus no dashboard type interfaces that allow you to monitor/control multiple applications at one time.
The entire apple interface is like one sub-element of any entire Android one - and with Android you get the option of any one of tens/hundreds of launchers.
"copying is in the Android>apple direction
All I can think of is the notification shade, anything else to back this claim up either?"
Cloud based stuff, speech based stuff, sharing menu, OTA installs and updates - and yes, notifications. When they finally sort out their threading model and get widgets, that will be copied too.
Oh, and the 7" form factor, assuming they don't try to go for 7" 4:3, which would be really daft.
"PS taking exchange rate, GST etc. into account would give a price of $415
As ozpete pointed out, you were wrong here. Unless you got something else to say?"
I was right US$399 > A$377 > A$415 inc GST. US sales tax has nothing to do with it.
"their system against all sense, fact or reality
You sir are the one who hasn't bother to state any facts, rather a punch of arrogant idealistic 'indie' garbage."
Bull
"more flexible UX (IMHO).
Why would I want a 'flexible' UX. If I'm paying for a device the usability of it should have already been designed by experts, rather than having to install third party widgets/launcher created by pimply faced kids in their parent's basement."
And thereby goes the reason why you think your iphone is better than your Android tablet. You like authority, being told what to do, and living within someone else's limits. Most people hit the limits imposed by apple quite quickly. They like choice, they like competition, they like a market innovating. They like being in charge.
"Always been too many reasons not to buy."
Overpriced, restrictions on what I can do with my property, restrictions on what apps/content is allowed, no choice, and eventually, a product that just doesn't keep up with the market and falls behind because of hubris on apple's part.
"Screen resolution"
Android tablets are pointlessly widescreen so ofcourse they had slightly higher resolution.
"memory"
iOS isn't a memory hog, wasn't needed.
"processor cores, processor speed"
As if non-geeks care about this
"No widgets"
Waste of memory and battery life
"no flexibility in UI"
Not needed, Apple's UI is more than functional and most people have no interest in customising their devices
"no removable storage"
Aka, no removal storage to become corrupt
"no removable battery"
I'll give you that one
"before you even start looking for the reasonable price options"
I thought it wasn't anything to do with Android being cheaper? Ha.
"In built resolution dependence"
When Apple control the hardware, there's no reason not to have a resolution dependency. Set resolutions make it much easier for app developers
"hence this daft resolution"
Nothing daft about it to me. If anything it could be higher
"Then there are the problems with multi-tasking"
Double tap and then 'ta-da' multitasking
"Its based upon a single application viewpoint, find an application, start it, run it, stop it. Doesn't really scale to the multi-tasking view, which is part of the reason for no widgets, and thus no dashboard type interfaces that allow you to monitor/control multiple applications at one time."
It's a tablet, it's meant to be simple. If I wan't a computer interface, I'll use my Macbook.
"The entire apple interface is like one sub-element of any entire Android one"
You mean the redundant app-draw. Where the user has to remember is the apps short-cut is on the desktop or not? It's a usability nightmare.
"and with Android you get the option of any one of tens/hundreds of launchers."
I'd rather user an interface created by experts rather than teenagers in their basement.
"Cloud based stuff"
Ha! iTools was announced in 2000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MobileMe#iTools
"speech based stuff"
By that you mean basic dictation? If so, that has been around since the 90s. If you mean something on the level of Siri, Google is currently scrambling to come up with something to compete in the field.
"sharing menu"
Pretty much all apps have this
"OTA installs and updates"
Of-course the difference being Android devices hardly ever actually get official updates. Hence why 1% is using ICS atm.
"and yes, notifications"
Something Google did right
"When they finally sort out their threading model and get widgets, that will be copied too"
Widget's are pointless, it takes less than a second to open the email, weather etc app, so why do I need a widget sitting on my desktop taking up space, memory and battery life?
"Oh, and the 7" form factor, assuming they don't try to go for 7" 4:3, which would be really daft."
Only reason 7" tablet exists is to keep costs down. Apple never want to compete in the budget sector.
"I was right US$399 > A$377 > A$415 inc GST. US sales tax has nothing to do with it."
So $14 is a big deal?
"Bull"
Crap
"And thereby goes the reason why you think your iphone is better than your Android tablet. You like authority, being told what to do, and living within someone else's limits. Most people hit the limits imposed by apple quite quickly. They like choice, they like competition, they like a market innovating. They like being in charge."
I like having better things to do with my time than pointlessly fiddle with gadgets.
"Overpriced, restrictions on what I can do with my property, restrictions on what apps/content is allowed, no choice"
Then jailbreak, just as you have to root for many Android "freedoms"
"eventually, a product that just doesn't keep up with the market and falls behind because of hubris on apple's part."
The iPhone 3GS was released 3 years ago yet is still receiving official updates. Compare that to the Nexus One that was released 2 years which won't receive an official update to ICS. Such a joke!
Sane
Just be civil. You say I went off the deep end. Please! I was just pointing out things you overlooked and you are the one who is so busy making statements about product features, many which depend on personal preferences rather than concrete information
Evidenced by one of your statements
Most people hit the limits imposed by apple quite quickly
Most people? Can you point to the MR on this one please. Most of your friends maybe..
To say that 1200X800 vs 2048 by 1536 is catchup? is a little strange. To use the same "logic" then the ipad 2 at 1024-by-768 to the 1200X800 would be an eyeblink. Funny logic you use, or maybe in your excitement to run down something you blinked when you got to the resolution part.
Being controlled in App usage is one of the arguments used by many Android users and yes to them this is an issue. But part of the controlled environment that Apple uses means upgrades being available for users of older units.
No so on most Android devices. But yes of course you can find 3rd party hacks to get your tablet up to 4.0 But its a Hack. And if you argue hacks are ok, then so is Jailbreaking on IOS. Score Android =1 IOS = 1. Point being this argument is pointless.
I do take exception to this point which is what you raised in the first place
I was right US$399 > A$377 > A$415 inc GST. US sales tax has nothing to do with it.
You use Australian Tax but refuse to use US Tax
Lets do the same
$A429 -10% GST = $A390 no tax
And again with your wisdom, are name brand Android devices cheaper here than in the US? Otherwise why even raise this issue. In this case Apple is probably the best in managing this exchange rate differential. And if the Aussie dollar goes down it will probably be cheaper here.
Ozpete,
If you want to talk civil, then I suggest you look elsewhere first. I made perfectly reasonable statements about the nature of the ipad3 and its lack of usable benefits over the ipad2 (eg focused on the product and the original question). What I got back were personally attacks. In case you haven't noticed, I don't "crawl back under my rock", I give as good as I get.
The screen is catch-up, moving beyond 1024x768 (which is looking tired compared to the competition) to the next step that is possible to them. Thing is, they have to go to a nonsensical resolution that's appropriate to nothing, and there is already the 1920x1200 screens on the Android Tablets, which make more sense (matched to HD video). So Android tablets are already there, at sensible resolution numbers, and apple are trying to catch up, but without the flexibility to do it right.
The key difference between jailbreaking on the apple devices and rooting/etc. on Android is that apple actively tries to close down jailbreakers, threatening arrest and jail. Android make it easy, supports it, and makes available AOSP for hackers to use. Night and Day.
And finally, as far as the cost is concerned, although the states is a mess as far as sales taxes are concerned, its possible to get it sales tax free - $399. $429 ISN'T the currency converted version of this cost in Australia, including ($415) or excluding ($377) GST. Maybe its only a small screwing of the Australian consumer, relative to the rest - but it's still there. There was no reason they couldn't have done the right thing and made it $415 inc GST.
"I made perfectly reasonable statements about the nature of the ipad3 and its lack of usable benefits over the ipad2"
No you trolled. You weren't comparing iPads, you were comparing iPads to Android tablets, which was off topic to this thread.
"Thing is, they have to go to a nonsensical resolution that's appropriate to nothing, and there is already the 1920x1200 screens on the Android Tablets, which make more sense (matched to HD video)."
You don't seem to be able to grasp what the purpose of 'retina displays' are. The aim is to see ZERO pixels, as in the tablet's screen should look like a glossy magazine rather than a digital screen. The only way to archive this is via extremely high DPI. It's not 'nonsensical' at all.
"without the flexibility to do it right."
HAHAHAHAHAHA trying to make Android fragmentation an advantage. No, just, no.
"The key difference between jailbreaking on the apple devices and rooting/etc. on Android is that apple actively tries to close down jailbreakers"
As do the majority of Android manufacturers. Just because Google open source some of their code, doesn't mean the actually devices are 'open'.
"threatening arrest and jail"
God your living in a twisted delusional reality. They tried to push for it to be classed as illegal, but never claimed people would be 'arrested' or 'jailed' for jailbreaking.
"Android make it easy, supports it, and makes available AOSP for hackers to use. Night and Day"
Why would this matter to 99% of consumers. Ask 10 random people in street what they think about Google's AOSP and I bet 10 will say, "what the?", followed by, "who gives a Fu.." and walk away.
"Maybe its only a small screwing of the Australian consumer, relative to the rest - but it's still there. There was no reason they couldn't have done the right thing and made it $415 inc GST."
Once again dodging the question. Android tablet manufacturers also increase prices in Australia beyond GST, so your point is illogical.
You're going around in circles mate. Just stop embarrassing yourself.
PWNED! nice arguments Sane..go android!
1) "Pwned", really? what are you 12 years old?
2) He (or you) still haven't rebutted any of our arguments, just even more mindless arrogant posts that actually show how clueless you "hardcore super geeks" are.
3) Grow up. You're just making a fool of yourself.
LOL.. what is this? you guys should help me writing my thesis then. lol
i am 12 :( Sane's arguments did a pretty good job i'd say. The effort put in by you to rebut however was quite poor (single sentence responses, not really going into the issue etc). At the end of the day I think every user has the right to choose whatever device suits them, I'm not really anti-apple but I do dislike their products. I know apple is all about being simple to use, but out of the box i find the android OS FAR FAR easier to use, but that is just me. Its a personal preference. Apple does a much better job of creating hype around their products, and that's all it is to me, hype. When it comes to gadgetry I want to have as much control as possible, I don't want to have to use specific software to do simple things like upload music or files. It just seems restrictive. Take the 4s for example, really? upgrade your iphone 4 to get siri? I saw like 5 people use Siri in public for the first week then never heard/saw it get used again. Why? cos its not even productive, now tell me, if you had upgraded your iphone 4 to the cutting edge latest iphone 4s, i'm sure you would running around telling everyone you know how awesome it is compared to the iphone 4 just to make your self feel better. Now queue in the ipad 3 ZOMG MUST SELL IPAD 2! lol sorry don't mean to offend anyone, but honestly..its a phone/tablet..don't take this too seriously.
oops sorry this was a reply for Paintoad, good luck with the thesis!
1) Sure, single sentence responses, but atleast I responded to his points. Whereas he'd go over and over again never backing up any of his claims.
2) If you had read my posts you'd see I don't own an iPad 2 to sell. I actually own an Andriod tablet.
3) I had Siri on my iPhone 4 for a month or so then removed it. It was ok but not essential.
You actually sound rather "sane". I agree it's just a tablet/phone/ whatever's. That's why it bugs me when Android people stick their heads into Apple threads and sprout off about how Android is this and that…we don't care, we've made out own choice.
haha you're right about that, this is an ipad post i just couldn't help getting into the android vs apple convo :D no hard feelings, and I was speaking in general about the ipad/iphone upgrade thing (it wasn't directed at you). In any case, hope there are some good bargains to be had, will be interesting to see the shift in prices if the ipad mini comes out.
I thought this thread is about ipad2 prices instead of apple vs android
definitely cheaper than yesterday, but not a bargain. plain ol RRP
New RRP as old stock not a bargain
A price drop isn't a bargain!
@Viggenn
Price drop not a bargain - what do you want price increase?? LOL
I think its semantics getting involved here…. I guess you are saying that a price drop in SRP doesnt qualify it to be on the bargains page. Worthwhile noting, but thats what the forums are for, hence the move.
But please assist us in the future, a REPORT rather than a negative vote highlights a wrong post to the mods quicker than voting negative
@ Aussman - its NOT old stock, this model is going to coexist with newer model
was just pointing out that it is a year old much like they sell the iphone 3gs which is 2+ years old
Also they are discontinuing all ipad 2s other than 16gb as no other models appear on website
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Glad you were finally able to understand my post within context, didn't want you to loose sleep over it ;)
Tell that to the brave crew of the SS Crucial M4.
Amazon doesnt set the SRP of SS Crucial.
Apple sets the SRP of the iPad
but I agree the Crucial posts re a bit over the top … like the banana posts.
So is anyone actually excited for this "new" iPad and going to buy one? Until I upgrade my eyes I might just stick with iPad2.
waiting for the refurbished iPad2 to drop in price .. then it'll probably be a bargain ?
$399 now at DSE.
This argument is easy to solve, give me one of each make / model
thank you
epic argument is epic
Interesting.let see how bigw and jb respond