Plastic surgery by medical students at a discount

voteoften on 08/10/2013 - 17:22

I'd like to get a fairly minor plastic surgery procedure. Even though minor it costs several thousand in Thailand, so it is probably at least seven thousand in oz. In the US, people used to be able to go to the training hospital and get procedures done cheaply. I don't know if that is the case. Plastic surgeons in training must be able to cut in someone and whoever they are cutting on must be getting something in return for that risk.

I am in Perth. I have googled, but am probably using the wrong search terms. Does anyone know where I should go to start finding out whether this is offered?

Thanks

Health & Beauty

Comments

  • MasterNoob on 08/10/2013 - 18:18
    -3

    Not sure if joking or just stupid.

    • _Bruce_ on 08/10/2013 - 18:53

      Poe's law definitely applies.

    • voteoften on 08/10/2013 - 19:10
      +9

      So, do you reckon that dental students and surgeons practice on cadavers and plastic dolls until they graduate? And then just leave and hang up a shingle? They have to have lots of practice in front of their teachers. It is fairly well established in the US. Whether dental or medical appointments, they are fully monitored by their teachers and quality control is assured. The tradeoff is in the inconvenience to the patient. Additional time is required for documentation, etc. In the US, even psychology students do this in clinics.

      • counterbargainglobal on 09/10/2013 - 10:08

        Actually dental training in NSW is done at the public dental hospital not on private paid premises.

        As for training plastic surgeons I think they do the work, have a senior overseer but charge full price.

        If you want double eyelid surgery I suggest Korea!

        Goodluck!

        • voteoften on 09/10/2013 - 14:07

          Yes, in the us, the dental work is done at the teaching hospital.

  • kimmylala on 08/10/2013 - 18:50
    -3

    I think she, he or shim?? Is trolling us =P

    • voteoften on 08/10/2013 - 19:06
      +21

      You will note that I have been a member far longer than you.

      • kimmylala on 08/10/2013 - 21:11
        +2

        I'm suprised u bothered checking my profile. But if you are serious, I know people that had procedures done in vietnam. I've been told its much cheaper than thailand, hope that helps =)

  • jimborino on 08/10/2013 - 19:17
    +13

    To all those who think this is a joke…OP, I have no idea so sorry I can't help.
    I work in Engineering Design/Analysis. Do you people really think that the actual (or majority of) work is done by fully experienced (10+ years) Engineers? Or do you think that junior guys do the work?? I can tell you that junior guys do all the work and the senior guys sign it off. How much do you think seniors charge per hour relative to juniors? ALSO, how will you ever get any better at anything if you don't practice.
    I would expect the exact same for any profession…so no this post is not a joke.

    • ntmango on 08/10/2013 - 20:41
      +8

      Same goes for mechanics…. i did all the work and was checked up on every now and then and then signed off by the leading-hand/supervisor.

      FYI - 99% of scheduled/maintenance services done by dealers are done by apprentices. Ever wondered why ur service sticker looks like its been written by a kid?

    • furythree on 10/10/2013 - 00:46
      +1

      i agree
      same applies to finance industry

      first year grunts do all the work, seniors sign it off and get sales

      but doesnt necessarily apply to medical field (it can, but just saying apples to oranges, both fruit though)

      • cannedhams on 10/10/2013 - 16:32
        +1

        True story from the legal industry:- Someone wanted a lease prepared for a massive, iconic property in Europe. They gave the job to a top-tier legal firm. The partners all thought that it was too hard for them, so they gave it to a first-year associate. It also helped that the associate could speak French, as his supervising partner could not. I heard the story from the associate himself, who told me he largely cribbed the document together from google searches.

        The fees charged by the said firm for preparing the said documents were in the eight figures.

        The associate told me later he approached someone up the chain and asked them if they really should be charging so much for work done by junior lackeys who had not a clue what they were doing.

        The partner told him: "We have to charge heaps on this job, as we have taken on so much risk by entrusting it to you. Also, if it ever does go pear-shaped and they need $5 million to patch things up, it is a lot easier to take it off the top of our account rather than out of our pockets"

        Here endeth the lesson.

        • Forfiet on 14/10/2013 - 15:07

          TLDR…."The legal industry has big a*ses, so we have to cover them with big fees" Juniors do the work, If they stuff up, we cut it off the fee :) kool :P

  • voteoften on 08/10/2013 - 19:24
    +1

    I have used some different search terms and think I have come up with my answer. It seems that there are no specialist qualifications whatsoever for doing plastic surgery. You just have to be a doctor. It looks like you go to a regular plastic surgeon to get a procedure done and they fob you off with a "would you mind allowing X to work with me while they learn." So you pay full rates for apprenticeship work. What a ripoff.

    • arcticmonkey on 08/10/2013 - 19:33
      +1

      If you're willing to travel to the U.S, you may have an option: http://bit.ly/15jsuZ4

      • voteoften on 08/10/2013 - 19:39

        I'll keep that in mind, thanks.

        • KMeister on 09/10/2013 - 23:10
          +1

          Travel to India(medical tourism), they are relatively cheap(due to recent Indian rupee crash) and they are competent at what they do.(contrary to popular belief, associated with stereotypes)
          http://www.apollohospitals.com/international_patient_service…
          It's a world class hospital.

        • ozbking on 09/10/2013 - 23:34

          As a doctor, I would avoid having any sort of surgeries in India, Thailand, Greece, Columbia, Caribbean (and many others) if I could avoid it. Knowing from first hand how easily multi resistant bacteria can infect you post-operatively, and all hospitals around the world having nothing to treat against…

          Especially for elective plastic surgery, I would avoid all countries with high rates of resistance! It may very well cost your life!

        • [Deactivated] on 10/10/2013 - 19:26

          ive had surgery in Thailand and they did an excellent job.

          Ive had some bad experience's in oz with surgery, now my new job allows me to travel a lot, I have been going for surgery/dental work in other countries. I have saved a lot of money and am very impressed with the work.

        • [Deactivated] on 11/10/2013 - 12:16

          Be careful what you term as a good job. Specifically with dental work, unless you know the procedure, cosmetically, it may be good but a few years later, you may find a tonne of unsalvagable mess.

          But I do empathize with bad work locally. In the end, practitioners are all individuals, and there is nothing really stopping someone doing a fudge job to catch the last train home, not to mention our government has recently brought in thousands of foreign graduate doctors and dentist. Make of it what you would, but I'd be extremely thorough with where their qualifications come from

        • altomic on 11/10/2013 - 13:34
          +1

          my wife had her cosmetic procedure in Korea due to the average job done here.

        • ThadtheChad on 12/10/2013 - 13:55

          +1

          Seen a significant number of cases (anecdotally; among my close acquaintances) of misdiagnosis… ever for very serious things like cancer. Case in point (this is one of many), patient went to a fairly reputable senior Doctor for diagnoses due to health issues. After tests and other bollocks for almost half a year and several rounds of misdiagnoses, the immediate partner started communicating with their relative overseas (who is an oncologist). Turns out the test reports consistently had indications of cancer. When this was brought to the doctor's attention he agreed with the assessment. Unfortunately, it seems to have been caught too late; we're hoping the patient recovers.

        • Forfiet on 14/10/2013 - 15:08

          Hospital's are sadly the origin for many strains of 'super germ'

    • voteoften on 08/10/2013 - 19:42
      +4

      What about colouring or even cutting my hair? If I get microderm on my face, am I a looney? If I get IPL hair reduction, am I crazy? How about if I just shave? If I get my teeth whitened, do I need a straightjacket? What if I felt that it would enhance my career prospects and had a reasonable basis for that thought process?

      "Thanks" for your opinion. (see poe's law, above).

        • voteoften on 08/10/2013 - 19:58
          +5

          It was a "what if", not a this is my situation statement. If you think women are not judged much harsher than men in the looks department in the workplace, you need a reality check. Many people, men and women are getting a bit of work done for career prospects. Are they all crazy, or simply realists?

          Going by your logic, anyone who engages in risky behaviour belongs in the looney bin. Skydivers, surfers, bicyclists, SCUBA divers, mountain climbers, jet skiers,etc etc etc whoever you think is engaging in risky behaviour….. They all get your contempt apparently.

          I didn't ask the question whether I should get the procedure done. I was asking for advice on how to get it done less expensively in this country, therefore all your contemptuous pronouncements are off topic.

      • cameldownunder on 09/10/2013 - 09:54
        +1

        Agree with you. I had bad ( smallish ) teeth. Got them replaced at the age of 18, and my life changed. Got the most gorgeous girlfriends, finally managed to get a smile on pictures, got married to a beautiful woman, and since then ( 18 ) I live a happy life.

  • ozmedstudent on 08/10/2013 - 20:00
    +52

    Created an account just to respond to this comment.

    OP - as an Australian med student I can tell you that you won't find what you're looking for in this country (and probably many Western countries with similar medical education systems).

    I can see where you're coming from with your comment about getting something in return for being a guinea pig, but I think that viewpoint mostly comes from perhaps not understanding the training pathway for plastic surgeons here in oz. Essentially, you're not paying full rates for an apprenticeship job - if you're getting this surgery done privately (which it most likely would be), then the procedure will be done by a fully qualified plastic surgeon, perhaps with a registrar (trainee) - probably of senior level - present. The trainee is a person who has spent anywhere between 5-7 years studying a basic medical degree, before AT LEAST 5 years postgraduate work as a doctor (the last 3 of which in surgery specifically), and then on top of that it is highly likely that they have been specialising in plastic and reconstructive surgery for a few years (absolute bare minimum 10 years training). This highly qualified person, if present at all, is going to be supervised by a consultant specialist, someone who has probably been studying and training in medicine for 20 years plus. The consultant will not allow the registrar to do anything they are not more than capable of doing because it's their arse on the line, and any cock-ups might impact negatively on their future income.

    For a private medical procedure it's pretty unlikely that anyone who is not fully qualified (i.e. consultant fellow of the college of surgeons specialising in plastics) will touch you at all. For this reason, cosmetic procedures are very expensive here in Australia. If you're willing to risk going abroad (which I cannot recommend against enough, seriously, it's your BODY, why trust any old muppet to save a few bucks?) then the price will be less - but their specialists are not trained to the level that ours are, and any plastic surgeon here will tell you that a significant proportion of their work comes from correcting botched jobs done on the cheap overseas.

    Check out the college of surgeons site if you need a reference for the training pathways and stuff, but you can see there that 'plastics and reconstructive surgery' is a proper specialisation - http://www.surgeons.org/surgical-specialties/plastic-and-rec…

    It would help to know what you were thinking of having done but that's obviously quite personal; it might make a difference to where you might go or who is considered qualified enough to do it - I know that some GPs with additional certification can perform things like botox injections but their scope of practice is pretty limited.

    Long comment but wanted to set the record straight.
    Cheers

    • voteoften on 08/10/2013 - 20:05
      +14

      Welcome to ozbargain. And thank you for your information.

    • [Deactivated] on 09/10/2013 - 12:10
      +1

      You forgot to mention that most medical treatment (including plastics) have follow-up/review appointments. These appointments are as valuable as the initial consultation or the actual procedure. It is relatively uncommon that any significant remedial action has to be taken but infections, rejection (in case of implants or grafts), poor healing, etc. (not end of thinking capacity but there are literally hundreds of reasons), are a possibility. In the event that they do a dodge job (which I have had the "pleasure" of doing the remedial fixer-upper), good luck holding them accountable and getting any form of compensation, let alone acknowledgement of their mistake.

      Having observed in theatres and practiced in outpatient clinics abroad, I can safely say that infection control in a third world country is third world standard. Obvious statement, but I still have local patients ask me about these conditions and my opinion of medical tourism.

      In summary, you end up paying more and may be left with scars/irreversible damage as a result.

      • voteoften on 09/10/2013 - 14:04

        So, where are you located and will you do me a deal?

        • [Deactivated] on 09/10/2013 - 16:24

          I do not do plastics, and without knowing exactly what you are after, I would use the following link to look for a surgeon.

          http://www.surgeons.org/find-a-surgeon

          Depending on what you are after, it may not necessarily mean you need a plastics, you may consider a dermatologist, oral max fax, ENT, or a dentist. If you are unsure who and what you need, chances are, you don't need anything.

        • voteoften on 09/10/2013 - 16:26

          You are correct. I do not "need" anything. This a completely frivolous and discretionary item. Thanks for the link.

        • [Deactivated] on 09/10/2013 - 16:42

          You are welcome.

    • cannedhams on 10/10/2013 - 16:38
      -7

      The Maritime Union of Australia has nothing on the surgical colleges when it comes to protecting their turf. You have never seen such a blatant old boys' club in your life, which explains why so many plastic surgeons have sons who are plastic surgeons. They never let anyone in until someone else dies off, and even when that happens its usually a blood relation.

      • [Deactivated] on 10/10/2013 - 16:42

        You are spewing rubbish. Comparing a medico to a union protected job is nothing short of trolling.

        • cannedhams on 11/10/2013 - 11:48
          -2

          Its not trolling if its true. Which it is.

        • [Deactivated] on 11/10/2013 - 12:03

          It is true because you said it is true? Please go ahead and name some examples.

        • one man clan on 11/10/2013 - 14:46

          It is irrelevant though

        • eve on 12/10/2013 - 19:01

          Are you a doctor and/or female?

          Surgery is getting more popular with females. We have at least 5 female consultant surgeons in my hospital.

          The medical world is not free from sexism, racism or nepotism…but the different colleges are progressing as the demographics of their applicants and therefore trainees change. I don't believe it is as dramatic as you make it.

          You're more likely to get a training position because you are ambitious ad determined and have checked off the selection criteria than because your dad is a surgeon… I thought most surg specialties were national selection now?

  • DrStinge on 08/10/2013 - 21:32
    +10

    WTS plastic surgery; 80% off RRP. I'm in IT.. how hard can this be.

  • edgar28 on 08/10/2013 - 22:58

    edit…. nvm…….

  • blitz on 08/10/2013 - 23:37
    +1

    Good luck voteoften.

  • tyvod on 08/10/2013 - 23:43
    +4

    Im pretty sure Korea (Gang-nam, Seoul) has the most developed and fairly cheap (not sure though) plastic surgery. My uni friend just had her face done in Korea over the last summer holiday. Probably much better than Thailand and Aus. AND I would not recommend any surgery carried out by some 'students'.

  • letmecry on 09/10/2013 - 00:33
    +4

    Korea? Can you spot any differences?
    Or they just change their cloth and hair style?

    It costs several thousands in Thailand but it's in baht.
    $2500-3000 for boob job
    $1000 for nose

    OR transgender $8,000 - 10,000 if you are interested

    :D

    • aerona on 09/10/2013 - 07:46

      Lol wow they all look the same, I wonder if they all had the same surgeon, I wonder if they all brought the same picture. Not saying it looks bad at all by the way.

    • voteoften on 09/10/2013 - 15:48
      +1

      I know difference between baht and dollars. Even after many big Chang beers.

    • [Deactivated] on 09/10/2013 - 19:27

      I wonder how their kids would turn out…

      • Ughhh on 09/10/2013 - 21:44
        +5

        Their kids won't all look the same if that's what you're wondering. They got plastic surgery, not genetic surgery.

        • [Deactivated] on 09/10/2013 - 22:58

          haha, thanks, JLove.

          I was trying to make that point subtly but I guess I didn't convey it well.

    • zooboy on 10/10/2013 - 09:42

      lol makeup man, it does wonders
      https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/60359…

    • cannedhams on 10/10/2013 - 16:40

      I reckon Thai surgeons would probably have the most practice as far as the transgender operations were concerned.

  • counterbargainglobal on 09/10/2013 - 10:14
    +4

    ^ It's cause in Korea most of the girls have had double eyelid surgery and nose jobs.

    The parents normally give this as a 'graduation gift'.

    Don't believe me? Google it.

    Wish I had parents that are willing to fork out thousands for a graduation plastic surgery gift.

    Only time will tell if their work will hold up!

    • [Deactivated] on 09/10/2013 - 23:04
      +1

      You're right; plastic surgery isn't taboo in Korea, but a trending norm.

    • altomic on 09/10/2013 - 23:23
      +1

      my wife and I went to Korea in 2005 (we were living in Japan at the time). whilst there she had an 8 cm keloid scar repaired/fixed/cleaned up by a plastic surgeon.
      the price was reasonable (approx $300ish) and it was relatively straight forward (in and out in 3 hours). significant improvement.

      I've heard that in Brazil plastic surgery is also popular and inexpensive.

  • anonymous8 on 09/10/2013 - 15:43
    +4

    I'll do it for you. $ 500 sound OK? Have no experience but I'm pretty good with google. Sure we can find a few videos of the procedure your after on the web.

    But seriously I once had a med student learn how to stitch my eyebrow up after a biff. Thought I was contributing to furthering the understanding of the intamalectual. Never again. Have a huge scar on my brow because she stuffed it up so bad. Pay the money and get whatever you want to get done properly by an experienced surgeon.

  • whiteflame on 09/10/2013 - 17:37
    -2

    I am sure you all have heard those back alley procedures from the US that inject concrete into your ass?

  • Quaker on 09/10/2013 - 18:53

    I wouldn't shop around for cheapest deal for plastic surgery. You should base your decision on the quality of the surgeons work.

    Good luck OP.

  • altomic on 09/10/2013 - 23:16

    Hi Everybody

  • wc on 09/10/2013 - 23:17

    OP I am curious what procedure are you after ?

  • rekabkram on 10/10/2013 - 02:04

    I really don't understand why people risk getting unnecessary surgery done overseas, yes there are people who have had wonderful jobs and praise it but you can't judge medical work solely on what country it's being done in. The best plastic surgeon in the world may live in Korea or India but at least if the work is done in Australia then you know that the person who is working on you has extensive training and medical knowledge and you have the support of Australia's medical system.

    Also not to sway your decision but just a little food for thought, when I was 16 I hated my nose… The giant bastard seemed to get bigger everyday and I couldn't wait until I was 18 and had saved up enough money to get it to look 'normal'. Years later I had the money to do it (wasn't specifically saved for it but I could afford it), I had a think about it and realised that I really couldn't give a shit about my nose or what others may think of it. Any who moral of the story is - don't rush in to anything, if you want to change something about yourself then you are well within your rights to do so and if it will make you feel better about yourself then absolutely go for it. If you have any doubt about it then I strongly recommend against it because what you may think you need removed/changed now you may regret in years to come.

    Don't mean to preach on and I realise that you've had a very well put answer above from 'ozmedstudent' just thought it was worth a mention. Best of luck in whatever you decide.

  • voteoften on 10/10/2013 - 02:39
    -2

    FFS. Nowhere did I say I was even entertaining getting work done in Asia. Stop preaching peeps. I said it is thousands in Thailand so likely to be at least double that here. At least seven grand. Why would I go to a Thai website to get that info? Because the docs in oz all want you to come in for a consult, etc. They are not forthcoming on approximate pricing.

    I never said I was going to get work done in Asia. If you want to read that into what I wrote so you can preach, go ahead, but it speaks about you, not me.

    I was merely trying to ascertain whether I could get it done cheaper in a supervised environment. In oz, beauty schools, massage schools, natural remedy academies all offer discounted supervised services. TAFE restaurants offer cheap meals cooked by cooking students and served by front of house students. Someone mentioned dental clinics offered at teaching universities. In the us, there are those dental clinics. I have a gold inlay from one that has lasted 25 years. I know people in the us that have similarly gotten plastic surgery at similar setups.

    Why is it so hard for the people on this website to understand the question which was only whether there were these types of arrangements available here?

    FCS.

    • rekabkram on 10/10/2013 - 03:31
      -1

      In fairness to the consultation they are absolutely essential to giving a price, If you were to call a plastic surgeon and ask for a price they would need to see you because what someone may describe as 'wanting a mole removed' could mean that it's a .5mm diameter mole or a 50mm diameter mole. Not to mention before talking cost the doctor will determine wether plastic surgery is really for you, for example if someone saw liposuction as the end of all problems while an underlying issue could still remain.

      As for being unclear on price. If they said liposuction costs around $4,000 on average then they would get people talking to them who wanted sculpting and the whole nine yards arguing but why do you want $6,500 when you said they normally cost $4,000?

      Why are people talking about getting work done in Asia? Because your looking for a cheaper alternative to normal fully qualified Australian plastic surgery and mentioned pricing in Thailand.

      • voteoften on 10/10/2013 - 04:26
        -5

        Nothing against you. I am amused by some of the cartoons and comments on this thread but I never said I am going to Asia to get this work done. That's it.

        I don't need anymore advice unless someone has info on a training hospital here in Perth that will give discounts when having supervised student surgeons performing elective minor plastic surgery. It doesn't appears it exists. I don't care why or need a referral to some surgeon who does it at normal prices.

        Thanks for your concern, everyone.

    • [Deactivated] on 10/10/2013 - 16:52

      With regards to your ongoing question on discounts if work is done by a 'student' (they are called registrars) there wouldn't be a discount. You see, a registrar can only practice their soon to be area of specialty within the public hospital setting. Public hospitals do not offer elective plastic surgery under the Medicare scheme. I have seen patients walk in that are prepared to pay in full within a public hospital but that doesn't work out to be any different to walking into any private practice.

      It is a generally accepted understanding amongst Australian practitioners that discounts are not an acceptable part of our profession. There are franchised dental and medical practices that do this, but in my personal and professional opinion, these people are running the equivalent of a McDonald's of the medical world. I wouldn't recommend someone I dislike to go to such a practice.

  • ghostdom on 10/10/2013 - 09:01

    Good luck.

  • [Deactivated] on 10/10/2013 - 12:31
    +1

    For those who mentioned Korea, I give you some idea about the price.

    You can probably try Vietnam airlines or Airasia for cheap flight.

    Decent hotel is something fancy over there but you can always try: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_hotel

    Double eyelid surgery usually costs under $1k.
    Face-off surgery, means you bring a random celebrity photo and ask for the same face, costs circa $20k.

    There's a street in Gangnam filled up with tens of plastic surgery clinics and they often have foreign language speaking consultants.

  • superkebab on 10/10/2013 - 13:02
    +1

    I'm good with a knife, if you come to me I'll do it for free

  • headlessfly on 10/10/2013 - 15:31
    +5

    There are 2 options:
    1. Go to your GP and ask to be referred to your local public hospital to see a plastic surgeon. When you get to the hospital outpatients appointment, the surgeon (could be a fully qualified surgeon or his/her registrar) will see you and assess to see what needs to be done, and if an operation is due he/she will place you on the waiting list. Never mind the newspaper headlines talking about "waiting lists", if the procedure is urgent it will get done quickly, but if it's not urgent you might be waiting months or years. Having said that, if the procedure is minor, they may be able to squeeze you in when a spare slot comes up, which often happens. E.g. if a whole 10 hour operating session has, say, 2 major cases on it which run for 8 hours, then they often will tack on small cases to the end of the list.
    2. Ask your GP to refer you to a private plastic surgeon. Almost certainly you will get done very quickly due to the much shorter waiting list in the private sector. You will also get done by a fully qualified plastic surgeon. You pay the surgeon his/her fees, and you pay the hospital for the stay. Don't forget you also pay for the specialist anaesthetist's fees if an anaesthetic is required. (Similarly, in a public hospital the anaesthetist may be a fully qualified specialist or his/her registrar whereas in private it's always a fully qualified anaesthetist). One important note about private surgery - Medicare will rebate partially for the surgeon/anaesthetist's fees IF AND ONLY IF it's a medically necessary procedure (speak to the surgeon when you see him/her), otherwise you are liable for their entire fee out of pocket, as Medicare is designed to fund the treatment of medical conditions and not cosmetic procedures.

    A couple of final points:
    1. "Cosmetic Surgeons" are NOT "Plastic Surgeons"
    Don't go to a cosmetic surgeon. They are usually GPs or medical graduates who have not even completed a General Practice Fellowship to become a fully qualified GP, but decide they want to do cosmetic procedures. They may do a bit of training in cosmetic procedures, but since Medicare does not rebate them for those procedures, technically they can do whatever they like. Patient pays full fees. Plastic surgeons are, on the other hand, fully qualified specialist trained surgeons who have obtained extensive qualifications beyond the end of medical school. If I were getting a job done I'd definitely see a plastic surgeon. The newspaper headlines often say "plastic surgeon botches surgery" when in fact, the "cosmetic surgeon" has botched the surgery and the Plastic Surgeon has to fix it up!

    1. Trainee doctors in public hospitals are very stringently supervised. So do not be afraid to have your procedures done there. Like any apprentice, the master is always there not just to look over their shoulder , but to provide hands on guidance from when they are junior and holding their hand to do the job, right up to when they just stand back and admire the beautiful job that their apprentice is doing.
  • J 1 on 10/10/2013 - 16:11
    +3

    I had my hair cut at a training salon, she made me look ugly*, pulled on my hair roughly ( I asked her if she liked that herself, no answer given) and she spent half the time texting.

    *uglier than I already was.

    • altomic on 11/10/2013 - 13:35
      +2

      you should have gone to asia to get your haircut.

      • maximum on 13/10/2013 - 23:13

        I tried to get my son to have a $2 haircut in Hong Kong but he refused to go down the dark alley with stray cats. Ungrateful teenagers. Would have saved me $8 on the haircut he had here after we returned.

  • Lucky13 on 11/10/2013 - 10:08
    -1

    Plastic surgery at a public hospital (in Oz) is carried out by anywhere between a first year and a fourth year student with a qualified surgeon observing. You also have the option of going privately with your own choice of surgeon as well. Any plastic surgery comes with risk. You should definitely research your procedure fully and your options regarding surgery etc before you go ahead. Also remember to make sure your plastic surgeon (not cosmetic surgeon) is a member of the Australian Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) so you know he's not dodgy. And good luck!

    • bleemo on 11/10/2013 - 14:46
      +1

      Please note that when you say student, they would actually already be a qualified Doctor who has served a number of years within the hospital system. In terms of doing procedures, then yes they'd be essentially 'learning on the job' with the actual surgeon observing and guiding.

  • T1OOO on 11/10/2013 - 10:34
    +1

    your health would not be worth the savings… iv worked for a plastic surgeon, and iv seen when things go great, and when they go bad… its not worth the risks,.. people do die in these sorts of things, hell people even die at the chiropractor, so tihnk wisely, and pick you battles, perhaps getting a second job for a few weekends might be a better course of action. Also, usually the surgeon isnt as expensive as the team around him either,.. and really the more junior the surgeon the more experienced and expensive people will be around him.

    Having said that, I think you take out the award for oz bargianer of the year! ;-)

  • lenlynn on 09/11/2014 - 10:48

    Old topic but I just found this. If you are still looking for a plastic surgeon, msg me if you'd like me to recommend my good friend's dad. He's in Vietnam though. He was one of the first plastic surgeons in vietnam and went to US and Singapore etc to train. Still goes frequently to update his skills. He was an anaesthetist before he changed to plastic surgery cos well no one in vietnam hires an anaesthetist then.

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