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  mycosys on 29/10/2013 - 17:40

  Bit sad all that CPU without a decent GPU to play games properly or even standard options to add one on
  IMO the i7 is a waste of money for most people who arent using a gpu of some sort especially (and even far gamers), far better to buy and i5 (or even i3) and an SSD for a much faster experience.

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    shadow131 on 29/10/2013 - 18:06

    lol. an i7 is only needed if you really need the hyper threading. I.e. making a 4 core to a virtual 8 core machine. If you don't render/convert video and stuff, you're wasting money.

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      mycosys on 30/10/2013 - 14:58

      Pretty much exactly my point, perhaps I did not make it clear enough - people who need a gpu for stuff other than games are commonly the ones when need i7 (as you said, rendering etc - video/graphic edits, 3d anim, CAE etc).
      I suppose the exception would be people who use it for constant video transcoding or people who are running heavily multithreaded 'number crunching' that for some reason haven't bothered to code to run threads on the GPU too.

      Although 7 is a bigger number then 5 so therefore better for e-peen lol

      I have a 1st gen i7, but it was truly a revolution, and i justified it to myself by the fact that it will be running CAE software and number crunching during my (slowest ever) engineering studies lol. The fact it still keeps up makes me feel it wasnt such a bad buy.

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  edshays on 29/10/2013 - 17:59

  The point is you can choose your GPU, source out the best price, and install yourself.

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    Gnostikos on 29/10/2013 - 18:03

    +2

    No, the point is anyone needing a GPU (i.e. gamers) will not blow over $300 dollars on a redundant CPU, because there is no tangible difference between even an i3 and an i7 for gaming purposes.

    Stick with a reasonably-priced i5 and blow the remainder on the GPU, which counts.

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      pensionday on 29/10/2013 - 22:07

      Except those of us that render/transcode and/or model data with software that takes advantage of multicore and multithread.

      PS, 4770 redundant? VHS = redundant. i7-4770: superceded.

      I can understand that an i7 doesn't make sense to you - others will actually find huge productivity benefits in i7 vs i5.

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        Gnostikos on 29/10/2013 - 23:06

        By redundant I meant, it is overkill for gaming, it's way past the point of diminishing returns for the exorbitant cost you pay since the majority of gaming titles are GPU intensive; that is the primary bottleneck. Gamers should always invest a majority of any build's money into the GPU.

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        GreatWhiteHunter on 30/10/2013 - 12:54

        The additional cost of the i7 over a crappy i5 is marginal.

        Remember Bill Gates thought 64kb of RAM would be enough forever…

        No tangible difference between an i7 and an i3 for gaming purposes - what a crock of crap. Maybe when all that is running is windows and the game - but add in anti-virus, various apps, outlook, IE etc and there is a very tangible difference.

        PC Geek please ignore anyone who says an i3 is enough and an i5 is ideal - some of us want i7's and wouldn't settle for anything less…

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        p1 ama on 30/10/2013 - 13:41

        Well the price premium is the cost of a 120GB SSD, so for the same budget, would you rather an i5 4670 + a 120GB SSD or an i7 4770 without an SSD, that's up to you I guess.

        But for the AVERAGE home user, they will find that an SSD adds much more to the USER EXPERIENCE than hyper-threading does. Sure, your videos might render 15% faster or something like that with an i7, but not many average home users value that 15% as much as their computer booting up more than twice as fast, applications loading instantly and their system being much more well balanced and responsive.

        Please do not label the i5 as crappy, they're actually the same die as the i7 without hyper threading. Also, hyperthreading won't really help you with those background threads you're talking about - "anti-virus, various apps, outlook, IE…etc."

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        mycosys on 30/10/2013 - 15:09

        +1

        People have blown their money on e-peen for the entire history of tech, there will always be people who want idiotic configurations - like an uncle in law mechanic who was convinced he needed an i7 to read and program ECU data, where our race team was using an atom.

        OzBargain is supposed to be about value, and a desktop system with an i7, no ssd and no GPU is not value unless all you do with it is transcode, and even then you would barely notice the diff from an i5 (and would want 2hard drives, probably still that ssd).

        The desktop i5 and i7 are EXACTLY the same cpu with ONE setting changed to disable hyperthreading - something which in some common load scenarios can actually make the machine SLOWER!

        If you have a load pattern that needs an i7, then you need an i7, thats great. The vast majority of people dont.

        Laptops are of course a completely different kettle of fish, with i7 being the only way to get a quad out of intel for some insane reason. An i5QM would be great

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  p1 ama on 29/10/2013 - 17:59

  +13

  Hey Mr PC Geek, you've been posting a lot of deals here lately and that's great, the price on this is great too, but here's a bit of constructive criticism, which I think would make this system much better.

  1. i5 4670 instead of i7 4770 - getting an i7 "on the cheap" is not a good idea. There are people out there who would benefit greatly from an i7 - e.g. video editors, people who work with Da Vinci resolve, 3D rendering, virtualisation…etc. But none of those groups are looking for a ~$700 PC in the first place. The type of people that are looking for a ~$700 are average users who want to do home tasks. An i5 4670 is MORE THAN ENOUGH for that.

  2. Get an SSD, for general users, this is the single most useful upgrade, a 120GB SSD is enough. I've been an SSD advocate for a while. My first SSD is an Intel X25M (don't ask how much that was, I'll tell you now, it was EXPENSIVE), but ever since, I can't live without an SSD. Get a Samsung 840 120GB for $99 and you'll be set.

  3. 2TB HDD instead of 1TB, like, it's $27 more or something ridiculous like that for double the storage.

  4. Case upgrade, even a cheap Coolermaster or Thermaltake is much better than non-branded stuff. Their PSUs especially. My cheap 430W PSU that came with my $70 CM case is rated for like 390W on the 12V rails but I've seen cheap non-branded PSUs that are rated at 680W and have 260W on the 12V rails (SHAW PSUs from MSY :P).

  All up, it's a good price, but bad all round specs. No particular demographic is targeted apart from those who don't really understand PCs and just want an i7 "on the cheap". Those who need an i7 will get an all round more powerful computer. So step down to an i5 and spend the money on features that are good for the average home user.

  Good luck guys! :)

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    King Steuart on 29/10/2013 - 18:17

    i5 and an SSD and I'd be considering it. Don't even need a SATA drive.

    Minimum 650W PSU definitely.

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      mycosys on 30/10/2013 - 15:18

      +1

      It DEFINITELY does not need a 650W PSU, just a QUALITY PSU
      Without a GPU a 350W PSU would be AMPLE for that machine, With a decent GPU 450-500W is great (both leaving ample headroom and room for expansion and capacitor aging over actual draw), but it has to be a QUALITY unit that actually CAN deliver that power, not peak, but 24/7 at 50C, that is what quality PSUs are designed and rated to do.
      A unit from Seasonic, Enermax, Antec, Corsair and a number of other brands (not Thermaltake or Coolermaster apart from their top of the line units) do things right and you can buy what you need, without needing to double it. An ACTUAL 650W CPU should be sufficient to power an i7 and SLI (or a titan lol)!

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        King Steuart on 30/10/2013 - 16:52

        Yeah I was thinking of people who would buy their own GPU in a different deal. It would be perfect for that.

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    rapid101 on 29/10/2013 - 23:50

    +1

    "The type of people that are looking for a ~$700 are average users who want to do home tasks. An i5 4670 is MORE THAN ENOUGH for that."

    Even my Q9550 can do that, hell overclocked I can max out Crysis 3 and BF4 with it. CPU is just not a priority for anything but computer jobs that require it, and if it does require it you're going to be spending more than $700 as you said.

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  Gnostikos on 29/10/2013 - 18:01

  +1

  This is a very unbalanced system regardless of the end-user's needs, whether it's gaming or business-oriented; it's got a needlessly expensive and redundant CPU, no GPU, and a laughable PSU and case.

  That being said, some of these parts (Mobo, RAM, HDD) are undoubtedly cheaper than you could find elsewhere (i.e. MSY) as I tried to replicate the cost of this using identical parts from MSY where possible, and couldn't get it anywhere near as cheap.

  However, once you throw in a worthwhile PSU, case and a graphics card; this easily becomes $750-800.

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  manyu882 on 29/10/2013 - 18:14

  -2

  Since when store rep said this is a gaming desktop?
  IMO,It's good for people who do computational stuffs which requires higher end CPU.

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    pensionday on 29/10/2013 - 22:12

    +1

    Agreed - pity people neg because they view PC's through their own narrow lense. I actually don't like this PC based on specs, but the CPU argument is ridiculous. I work in data modelling, and using i3 / i5 might be cute - OK, I couldn't resist - sufficient for gamers, but without higher end CPU, less productivity = dollars lost.

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      mycosys on 30/10/2013 - 15:28

      +2

      If you work in data modelling then you are mad to be buying a bargain basement system with a yum-cha PSU from a yum-cha builder who doesnt offer you on-site or SLA, and even if you did you are still going to want that SSD and more room for data, and likely a pro GPU for GPGPU and accurate display.

      However, criticism is because they have taken just about the cheapest machine they could build and plonked an i7 in it, and then targeted it at home users.

      I would point out nobody negged, just questioned who the heck the machine is FOR, because it really isnt suited to just about anything (other than transcoding ripped DVDs to upload as torrents)

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  Gnostikos on 29/10/2013 - 18:22

  +2

  For the price of Mr. PC GEEK's $768 build: http://www.mrpcgeek.com.au/p/8736076/intel-quad-core-i7-4770…

  You can have yourself a true, gaming and multi-tasking rig:

  • Processor: Intel Core i5 4440 $205.00
  • RAM: G.Skill-NT 8GB Kit(4Gx2) DDR3 1600Mhz $89.00
  • Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM SATA3 $67.00
  • Motherboard: ASRock B85M-PRO4 $87.00
  • Graphics: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 OC 2GB $209.00
  • Optical Drive: Pioneer SATA DVR-220 OEM DVD+RW 24x $20.00
  • Case + PSU: Thermaltake VN450A1W2A Commander MS-I USB3.0 Mid Tower Case w/500W. PSU $88.00

  Total price: $765

  All prices from MSY with the exception of the GPU, which is sourced from MWave.

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    p1 ama on 29/10/2013 - 19:12

    +2

    This isn't and never was intended to be a gaming system. The problem with PC gamers is that they tend to think that everyone else is a gamer as well, which isn't the case. I'd say that a really small proportion of people who buy PCs actually do so for gaming.

    Anyway, that's just my two cents. Slapping a graphics card into anything will make it a "gaming" system these days!

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      Gnostikos on 29/10/2013 - 22:54

      +1

      No, you're way off base.

      I was simply saying that this is a sh*t deal and for an equivalent amount of money you can have a better PC for 9 out of 10 applications and usage scenarios.

      Why on earth would you pay more for less? Gamer or not.

      As for the intended demographic for the actual PC; just stop and think for a moment. If this was a workstation, the memory would be halved (most offices and businesses still run 32-bit OS's), the PSU of a far lower wattage, you could get away with a much cheaper motherboard that doesn't have enthusiast bells & whistles, and an SSD would be in order, since that'd actually make the most difference to application loading times after the choice of CPU.

      What this is, is a poorly-thought out assembly of horribly mismatched components that nobody should want.

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        p1 ama on 30/10/2013 - 08:52

        +1

        Calm down, I wasn't trying to have a dig at you mate.

        I was just trying to say that if you're trying to build a gaming PC, then all good, but also that most people aren't gamers and won't benefit from discrete graphics.

        Okay, I'll admit that's not 100% true, I'm not a gamer, but I do use GPU compute and CUDA quite a bit, but either way, my use case is still different from the target for a ~$700 PC.

        Also, I don't really agree that most offices use 32 bit OS's, in fact, I haven't seen a 32 bit Windows 7 or Windows 8 in use apart from like on those Clover Trail tablets. So yeah, 32 bit is really long and dead now.

        SSD should always be in order, like, there's no argument about that, it's the single most important component in improving the everyday feel of a computer.

        Either way, I agree with you in saying that it's poorly thought out, but it was never really intended to be a gaming system in the first place.

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        GreatWhiteHunter on 30/10/2013 - 13:08

        -1

        I for one am sick of certain users. This is not a personal attack, but these guys who have been here for 4 years and haven't posted a single deal are nothing but leechers.

        To make matters worse, some of them try to prove they know better than everyone else about everything.

        Amar89 says you could get away with a much cheaper mobo - this mobo is $85 - how much cheaper do you want?
        Surely Amar89 wouldn't recommend people buy a PC without USB 3.0??

        The PSU is cheap rubbish so I'll guarantee it doesn't actually handle what the label says it does. It's cheap, about as cheap as they get. Same applies to the case.

        An SSD is a good idea, but to keep the price low it is hard to put one in unless PC Geek wack in a tiny SSD. Anybody who wants an SSD or a graphics card can just add that on.

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        Gnostikos on 30/10/2013 - 18:08

        +1

        You must be mistaking me for someone who gives a sh1t. I feel compelled to point out the great irony of getting into a moral pissing contest on a bargain-hunting website; which is almost notorious for the lengths people go to, to pinch every last penny, but here you are, amongst a stampeding horde of hyper-materialists to whom you fuel their self-centered tendencies, trying to act holier-than-thou. The irony indeed.

        I think I'm a decent contributor given that I've dolled out a significant chunk of consumer advice borne of personal experience, technical/career-related expertise or decently-researched conclusions over the 4 years I've been a member (and indeed you haven't really contradicted any points I've made, which are as self-evident as day; rather just taken issue with my delivery of them, because apparently despite being all about the money and savings, you have delicate sensibilities). Alas, I feel compelled to give nothing to anyone on a website that primarily functions as an online word-of-mouth marketing channel.

        It's public domain information that is readily available anyhow; how one can unfairly exploit that to the detriment of others is beyond me.

        If this site is all about freebies, discounts, thriftiness and cut-throat competition, then any so-called "leechers" (what is this, a torrent Scene forum?) are helping perpetuate what makes it distinct in the first place, and that is a worship of the almighty dollar above every other consideration. If you think this site is about anything other than making money via middleman marketing then you've got another thing coming.

        tl;dr… don't bother replying to me again.

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        p1 ama on 30/10/2013 - 23:35

        -1

        I know you're not addressing me, but please calm down.

        This is so not worth getting worked up about

        Also I get the fact that you're well educated and can write…etc. Please stop writing like a total douchebag.

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    shadow131 on 29/10/2013 - 19:44

    Looks at list… LOL….

    No OS? oh wait no, you're probably going to use Ubuntu or Linux right?
    No one pirates things any more aye ;)

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      p1 ama on 29/10/2013 - 19:59

      What's wrong with Linux? :P

      I use it on my secondary computers at home and it's fine! All I do on those computers is internet, word processing and spreadsheets and stuff like that.

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      Gnostikos on 29/10/2013 - 23:10

      What is your problem?

      If you're not going to take the time to bother to come up with a decently-reasoned response and instead just ridicule people who are actually trying to help fellow OzBargainers before they go and drop nearly 700 dollars on something that might not necessarily be worth it; then don't post garbage one-liner responses.

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        shadow131 on 29/10/2013 - 23:56

        Lol, this is the internet.
        I'm just making a statement, calm down keyboard warrior.
        Just pointing out its only the same value if your leave the OS out.

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        Gnostikos on 30/10/2013 - 00:22

        +1

        I'm just making a statement,

        I am overwhelmed that you possess that ability but just because you can; doesn't mean you should. This is the internet, but it's not Facebook; where a carefully-timed brainfart will result in a shower of instant gratification approval from like-minded troglodytes. If you need to get your dose of self-worth from a bargain-hunting site, it may be time to seriously rethink life.

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        GreatWhiteHunter on 30/10/2013 - 13:10

        +1

        Thank Christ there is no OS bundled here.

        You can get Win 8 upgrades for $49 and install yourself, rather than pay $100+ for PC Geek OEM versions..

        Also it keeps the cost/time down for PC Geek, coz they don't need to worry about installing an OS in the build.

        Any non-laptop PC build that includes an OS is over-priced because OEM OS costs the vendors close to $100…

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  duneknight on 29/10/2013 - 18:31

  +2

  look, they really need a better system to cater to those average users or average gamer who cant wait to play BF4 or whatever hyped up thing. i7 is unnecessary and money should go to GPU and PSU, as well as a decent well known popular case for longevity. its not so hard, just look at the recommendations offered by users and thats pretty much it.

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  samdiatmh on 29/10/2013 - 21:52

  i admit that it's slightly overkill for a non-gaming computer (ohai i7)
  but then if you don't build it yourself, then you're looking at ~$550 for a prebuild (taken with a fx4300, 4gb ram, 500gb hdd 5400rpm)

  then an extra $200 for an i7 and a bit more storage space (and speed) is a pretty good deal to me

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  Store Repmrpcgeek @ MR PC GEEK on 30/10/2013 - 10:08

  Thank you guys for your comments. We are driven to provide the best product and services we can to our customers. All your comments have been dearly noticed and will be highly considered when we make future listings.

  Thank you all again and please continue to provide us feedback.

  MR PC GEEK

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    p1 ama on 30/10/2013 - 11:08

    +1

    Hey guys,

    Just had a browse through your website and here's a few things I've noticed that I think will be helpful for you guys.

    Gaming PCs, a GTX760 isn't exactly very "hardcore" at all. Especially in a system that is around $1800. For gaming PCs, as a guide, 1/3rd of the cost should go towards the graphics card. So if you're building a $1800 system, you should be looking at a $600 graphics card - or even a bit more, so something like an R9 290X, 7990 or a GTX780 or even possibly an SLI solution such as dual GTX670s or GTX680s if you have some older stock. My rule of thumb is that for a gaming system, GPU should be around 2x the cost of the CPU. Also, no cheap PSUs in gaming systems, it won't be pretty when they blow.

    Have a look at the default system configs from PCCG, pccasegear.com, their systems are probably the most balanced out of all PC vendors I've seen.

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      ItsMeAgro on 04/11/2013 - 17:49

      +1

      $1800 for a gaming PC with only a 760!? Ouch.