Harvey Norman & a laptop out of warranty

Hello everyone,

I am in a bit of a predicament. I purchased an Asus laptop from Harvey Norman about 15 months ago, and it has failed (no hard drive or display activity). It came with a 12 month warranty, and as being an OzBarginer, I did not buy the extended warranty.

According to the ACCC (http://goo.gl/WVSeNc, http://goo.gl/7Ujfse), even though it is out of warranty it should still be expected to last without defect within a reasonable amount of time, which I've read here people would assume for a $1000 laptop that it would last ~3 years, which is how much it would cost.

According to the ACCC I can take the laptop to the store I bought it from, and they should work with Asus to have it fixed, assuming no damage was caused by me, rather a fault in the product. If Harvey Norman was to tell me to send it back to the manufacturer at my own expense, they are breaking the law.

Now, this is where my story starts. I went into Harvey Norman yesterday with a couple of pages printed out from the ACCC's website, and told them about the laptop, that it isn't working and before I even told them it is out of warranty, they had tried to get me to send it back myself, with some bull**** about "you need to try to contact the manufacturer at least 3 times before you should be coming to us with anything, and to have it in writing", this is already in violation of the ACL, I went on to tell him that he's wrong, I then showed him the print out from the ACCC, he then agreed that it is his legal obligation to send it back.

I then explained that it was out of warranty, but that it should still be repaired as it is only out of warranty by only few months.

By this point he agreed that it should still be repaired by Asus, and that they should be the ones communicating with Asus, not me.

While waiting for the contract to be printed out confirming all the usual (data sensitivity, your data may be wiped, blah, blah) a few other staff members came and talked with the man, they then tried to tell me that I should be sending it back, and that Harvey Norman cannot do anything.

I explained everything I already had explained to the other man, signed the contract and left. They had said that they will call me when I have to pick it up. Tonight I found a voicemail left on my phone from them saying that I have to call them back ASAP.

I assume they are calling back to have me pick up the laptop, for me to send back to Asus myself, at my own cost.

My question is, if the laptop is out of warranty, should I be the one that sends it back to Asus, or is it still Harvey Norman's responsibility?

It doesn't seem that the ACCC is as clean-cut with the answer about this with a simple yes or no as it is with other topics.

To me, it says that the retailer is responsible for returns, and that the product needs to last a reasonably expected amount of time before any major defect can be overlooked. Meaning that the two simply go together and Harvey Norman should back their stocked products.

I've heard a lot about Harvey Norman attempting to get out of their legal responsibilities, and even had the staff attempting it with myself, so I was not totally sure if this was them doing this again, and I do not want to have an argument at the store if it turns out I am wrong.

Before anybody says anything about it, I am aware of Harvey Norman's prices being in most cases ridiculously inflated, and they are making a great profit on everything they sell. The reason I bought it via them was because it had a pricing error at $999, and was sold above $1500 everywhere else.

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Comments

  • If I were you, I would send laptop back to ASUS, I am not sure, but what I remember, ASUS's some laptop come with 2 years warranty, or it might be worth to try it to ask ASUS about warranty.

    I don't like send 3C back to retailer to claim warranty, they always trying to find excute to avoid it.

  • my asus netbook died today. 2.5 years old :(

  • +2

    I assume they are calling back to have me pick up the laptop, for me to send back to Asus myself, at my own cost.

    Why not call them back first, and actually find out why they need to talk to you?

    In regards to your question, you answered it yourself at the beginning of the post:

    According to the ACCC I can take the laptop to the store I bought it from

  • I've had the same troubles trying to get a replacement iPad, when my faulty one was still under warranty. Harvey Norman will always try and wank you off so they don't have to deal with warranties/replacement/refunds. Best get the names of the staff that are denying you of their rights (in my case it was the manager) and call the head office.

    • +5

      Harvey Norman will always try and wank you off…

      Wow, your local store must be awesome…I'd be up there every day "umm, checking my warranty claim" just for the Handy-J's! :D

  • Good luck getting ASUS to fix it outside of warranty. They won't want to know you.

  • What I'm really curious to know is that with "statutory warranty" or whatever it is called, why would anybody buy extended warranty?

    This is almost warranty for the entire usable life of the product for most technological stuff. Doesn't make much sense to me, that's all.

    • +2

      The most salient point is that what most people purchase as "extended warranty" is actually just an insurance policy from a third party supplier.

      When an issue occurs, IME like many insurance companies they just stuff people around, delay or deny repairs, ask service centres to use 2nd hand parts for repairs, and generally abrogate any responsibility they took on by accepting the policy & taking the premium.

      Choice Magazine did an exposé of these scams & concluded that the warranties were basically not worth the paper they were printed on.

      • +1

        There are three main parties involved in extended warranty - the warranty administrator (who handles customer calls, repairs the goods and then claims costs back from the insurance company; they are also they are the ones who sell the extended warranty service to retailers), the manufacturer of the goods and the underwriter.

        We have dealt with one extended warranty company from a major retailer and we found that the company genuinely wants to fix the problem, and will go out of their way to do so. The biggest issue is, the spare parts we keep for repairs are calculated based on the number of units we have sold to the retailers and the period of support we have to provide in-warranty and out-warranty, but we cannot estimate how many spare parts the extended warranty company needs.

        It is impossible for us to predict the extra parts needed because the warranty company did not divulge information on how many extended warranties were sold with each of our products. We requested that they commit to a certain amount of spare parts and even offered free storage for the duration of the extended warranty but that was rebuffed as well.

        And so, on quite a few occasions, we had to reject their requests for spare parts, or even to repair their products because we had to prioritise our spare parts for our own obligations to our customers. They even tried to pressure the retailer to pressure us to release the spare parts on occasions but our response is for them to wait for the next shipment of spare parts to arrive.

        The point is, they do try their best to fix the problem when it occurs. The issue is the fact that they are reliant on the manufacturers to have the parts in stock to remedy the problem, however, without knowing how many extended warranty policies that are sold, manufacturers have no way to account for the support required. At the end of the day, the extended warranty company gets paid no matter what, but they are also beholden to the underwriter returning a profit otherwise premiums rise the next year.

        • I can appreciate what you're saying, and thanks for the detailed info.

          However, I suppose that when you distill it right down to the fundamentals, it doesn't really matter how much of the issue is caused by indifference & how much by incompetence, the net result to the customer remains the same…they do not get the service that they were promised, and indeed paid for in good faith.

        • +1

          I agree with you somewhat - in circumstances where we totally refused to support the warranty company, they ended up purchasing a new TV for the customer (after lengthy delays). In any industry, there are always cowboys that ruin it for the rest of us, however, I still believe there is good value in extended warranty if it's done right.

          Underwriters want a 20% return on all premiums collected, which leaves a healthy 80% to cover all costs during the warranty period. The problem is, the premiums collected is not a percentage of the retail cost that you are paying for - that already has a ridiculous retail markup. If the breakup of the retail price of extended warranties were arranged differently, a better level of service could be provided.

          On a side rant, I know I am going against Ozbargainers here, but we prefer customers to call us directly for any warranty issues instead of going through a retailer. At the end of the day, it is cheaper for us to deal directly with the customers, and quicker for us to respond, which leaves us a bigger pool to write off the "too hard" basket problems and do all we can to make the customer happy. For example, there were several instances of storms affecting certain locations, causing power supplies to blow up, and instead of arguing semantics about what is and isn't covered by warranty, we just repaired them and sent them back. In so saying this, I am puzzled why sometimes, other vendors would try to send the warranty problem back to the retailer.

          So my first port of call would always be with the manufacturer - be nice to the person on the other end because he/she has been copping flak all day :)

  • +2
  • Watching The Checkout should be mandatory watching for all OzBargainers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE8BB-ioNRw

  • "My question is, if the laptop is out of warranty, should I be the one that sends it back to Asus, or is it still Harvey Norman's responsibility?"

    It's Harvey Norman's responsibility.
    It's time to lodge a formal complaint by writing to Harvey Norman management, and if they won't fulfil their business obligations, escalate to the consumer affairs agency in your state. Use the following link as a guide (linked to from your links above)…

    http://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/complaints-problems/make-a-…

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