Hyundai Santa Fe (Diesel) or Mitsubishi Outlander (Petrol)

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  cypher67 on 04/02/2015 - 13:46

  Hyundia is better equipt and the diesel should pay for itself in the long run (assuming fuel prices will go back up)

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    RockyRaccoon on 04/02/2015 - 15:07

    Maybe, Maybe not, depending on how far the OP drives.

    They use a price differential of $6000, that is a lot to make up for given say a cost difference of 10% in favour of the Diesel.

    At the moment E10 is around 20c cheaper than diesel, which probably makes it more expensive.

    The NRMa says

    "Due to the higher purchase price of diesel models, an analysis of running costs over four years reveals little difference between petrol and diesel. With this in mind consumers' preference may come down to a vehicle's engine characteristics and performance."

    But the best way is to look at their running costs website

    https://www.mynrma.com.au/mynrma/operating-costs-calculator.…

    Without knowing all the model details, but based on the prices quoted, I found two models and the Mitsubishi Petrol cost $30 a week less to run

    Now if you are towing a lot and the towed vehicle is heavy then Diesel is the way to go.

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      Benzy on 04/02/2015 - 15:46

      I am not going to tow heavy loads. Its going to use as a family car (very little use for towing some house stuffs)and expecting to drive around 15000-20000 kms/year

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        RockyRaccoon on 04/02/2015 - 16:39

        Then plug the figures into the NRMA website for the two models you are looking at and compare the weekly costs. The site is ideal as it works on the premise you are driving 15K kms per year.

        Now for the emotional liking of the different vehicles, thats a different calculation

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  Davo1111 on 04/02/2015 - 14:45

  Why not get the Outlander diesel? http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/research-new/Mitsubishi/Outla…

  At least then you'd be comparing similar specced engines

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    Benzy on 04/02/2015 - 15:48

    I wanted Santa Fe petrol however a friend says Santa Fe diesel is better model than petrol. I have also test drive Santa Fe diesel, it drives really well.

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      Davo1111 on 04/02/2015 - 17:06

      But what i'm saying is it needs to be a fair comparison. I'm sure the outlander diesel is better than the outlander petrol too.

      When comparing vehicles, a diesel is generally better than a petrol model. Then engine blocks are thicker too. You pay a higher price, but expect more kms out of a diesel.

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        kanter on 05/02/2015 - 13:42

        Why would it be better just because it is diesel? I asked one of my colleagues the other day the same thing and his answer was "Because they all drive diesels in Europe"

        That is probably the dumbest justification I've heard :D

        Better go for a drive and test it yourself. Some diesel engines are great, BMW 6 cylinders diesels for example are fantastic to drive and very fuel efficient. But most 4 cylinders aren't that good to drive. Lots of vibrations, a crappy noise, no power until the turbo kicks in, a good acceleration between 2000rpm and 4000rpm and then nothing again :D

        Coming from France where 70% of cars are diesel I've owned both, most people buy diesel because it is cheaper at the pump (which isn't the case here) but financially you need to drive at least 25.000 kms/year to be better off considering that diesel cars are more expensive to buy and more expensive to maintain. Especially for short trips, they never get to their optimal running temperature, and particles build up in catalyzors, turbos and EGR valves which end up clogging and cost a lot to replace.

        And the recent ones with turbo, twin turbos, very high pressure injections, common rails and all that tech are very sensible to fuel quality, water in the fuel, etc… They are almost as good to drive as petrol engines but they've lost the reliability of the old diesel engines.

        Now in France people are starting buying petrols again after they had a bad experience with diesel

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  grabngo on 04/02/2015 - 15:04

  +1

  No brainer
  Diesel moit
  Hyundai is years ahead with the technology too
  I got the Ford Territory and wish I had gotten the santa fe…

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  Charity on 04/02/2015 - 15:37

  -5

  Both a waste of money.

  So bad in fact, that it doesn't belong on a bargain site.

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  shadowarrior on 04/02/2015 - 15:48

  Have you looked at Mitsubishi Challenger? I drove both the Challenger and Outlander and felt the Challenger had a way better build and road feel.

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    Benzy on 04/02/2015 - 15:56

    No I havent. I dont think they have 7 seater Challenger, do they?

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      shadowarrior on 04/02/2015 - 16:02

      Nope they stopped that with the 2014 models. Before that they did. You definitely need to seat 7 people? The Challenger is pretty spacious and comfortable to seat 5 and then tons of cargo space.

      Depending on how you use the car, it can tow quite well, has a all wheel drive mode which is very handy when driving in the wet or freeways. Plus the normal low range and high range 4 wheel drive with center and rear diff locks. So family trips to any terrain will never be a problem.

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        Benzy on 04/02/2015 - 16:11

        Yes I need 7 seater car.

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  binusam2007 on 05/02/2015 - 07:18

  Kia Sorento new model releasing soon.You will get 7 year warranty on all kia models.I have one Kia Sorento diesel and very happy with the performance.

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  kanter on 05/02/2015 - 07:45

  What type of trips will you use it for? if you mostly do long drives, maybe consider the diesel, otherwise petrol all the way. The new technology diesels don't like urban driving and short trips. Turbo, injectors and catalysor get clogged with unburnt particles and they cost an arm and a leg to replace.
  Plus diesel stinks, sounds like a tractor, you'll get your hands smelly and oily when you refill…

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  Geewhizz on 05/02/2015 - 07:59

  For the sake of your passengers, if you haven't already done so check the leg room in the back, and ease of access to the third row.

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    Benzy on 05/02/2015 - 11:54

    I have checked most of the SUV's, they have around the same leg room. To get the bigger leg room, i have to buy People movers and the size of the people movers are too big for my wife to drive.

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  bradsmrbetty on 05/02/2015 - 08:32

  Mitsubishi makes good cars, however these days the paint tends to be very thin, sound proofing is poor and the interior is marked easily as it mainly hard plastics. Mechanicly they're still very reliable.
  Of the two Mitsubishi will likely lose more in deprecation.

  Hyandais are great we have two ix35 the diesal is really not that much more efficient than the petrol.

  I would imagine it would be the Santa Fe would be the same.

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  MaxTravels on 05/02/2015 - 09:39

  +1

  My husband and I bought a new outlander 5 years ago and we really loved it. we have had no mechanical issues or faults, and the car is very economical (4cyl petrol) but not sure how it would compare to a diesel.

  Cant comment on the paint thinness, we haven't had any issues with ours (its black but looks like new). the interior is fantastic (we got leather upholstery) but I agree that we have a few interior marks in the plastic which is disappointing. I cant comment on the Hyundai personally, but i did test drive a used (3yo) Mazda recently and thought that the interior was terribly worn for something only 3 years old. In comparison, ours is near new with just one mark on the glove box (underside) and a deep scratch on a door.

  One plus for the outlander is the fixed price servicing - ours was $220 per service i think. but the real positive is that it only requires servicing every 12 months or 10,000km. We also found that the breakdown service was an added bonus and saved us even more over the past 5 years.

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  Jetstar777 on 05/02/2015 - 10:55

  +1

  I've owned a number of 4WD and SUV's:
  Toyota Landcruiser (Diesel)
  Toyota Kluger (Petrol - only comes in petrol)
  Mitsubishi Outlander (Petrol 4cyl)
  Mitsubishi Pajero (Petrol and Diesel)

  Prior to owning my Pajero and Outlander I was an avid Toyota fan, they do make great cars and the finish and drive qualitites stand apart from others. Then my mate worked for Mitsubishi and converted me to Mitsubishi and encouraged me to buy one. Mitsubishi have come a hell of a long way in terms of finish, drivetrain (incl engine) and drive quality.

  I owned a new Outlander and loved it. The only negatives, and these are not deal breakers, is a fairly ' hard plasticy' dash (which has changed on the new model) and a noisier ride when compared to my Toyota's. Other than that, brilliant.

  I sold my Outlander to get a Toyota Kluger, the only reason was to get something a bit bigger as the Outlander wasn't quite big enough for my family when camping.

  The Toyota Kluger is an excellent vehicle in many ways. It is very very quiet, fantastic powerful V6, very smooth to drive and so much room! I owned a KXR. They are very stable on the road, very safe 5 star ANCAP rating and perfect for a family. Someone mentioned about fuel economy earlier - I can say from owning one for two years that the fuel economy for a V6 and a car that size is exceptional on average, around town, I would spend around $70 a week in fuel.

  I have now gone to a Pajero (Diesel) again as we want to do some more 4WD, but parting ways with the Kluger was not easy.

  I would easily recommend a Kluger or an Outlander as a good family SUV. Kluger particulalry - they are very popular for a reason. Equally, I have driven the new Outlander and love it.

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  Benzy on 05/02/2015 - 11:42

  Thanks everyone for your inputs.

  If anybody bought the above mentioned cars recently, do you mind to share the model no and how much you pay for it? As a bargainer, I want the reference price so I can negotiate.

  Thanks again.

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  SlickMick on 05/02/2015 - 12:03

  Since I've experienced the torque and economy of diesel, I'll never go back to petrol

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  kanter on 05/02/2015 - 13:29

  Wait until something breaks on it

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  goosegog on 05/02/2015 - 16:50

  Look at the safety records of each car, not the price. Personally we are Toyota & Subaru drivers - however in your case would head towards the Hyundai as resale value will be a lot better than a Mitsubishi. Also Hyundai have really lifted their awards in recent years with many improvements to car structure,safety & general overall appearance ( gone are the old tin box days of " Oh No it's a Hyundai " )Unlike a Mitsubishi, unfortunately, which still holds that stigma.We also agree that a diesel is far more durable than a petrol car/wagon. Good luck & hope to hear the outcome of your purchase.

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    kanter on 05/02/2015 - 17:12

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2175879/The-great-…

    There are other reasons to avoid this dreadful fuel. Firstly the modern diesel engine is unreliable. This is largely down to one thing: the particulate filter which must be plumbed into the exhaust system to stop these cars belching the clouds of lung-clogging smoke that we associate with grease-burning engines.
    In slow town driving these filters can become blocked, shutting down the engine. Manufacturers say that a long blast down the motorway will cure the problem, which may be true, but this isn’t much good if the car is too sick to get to the motorway or if you are stuck in the middle of a city.
    Modern diesels are highly-tuned pieces of precision engineering, impressive in their own way, and I have driven some diesels that are extraordinarily smooth and powerful. But this precision makes them very prone to driver error.

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    Benzy on 07/02/2015 - 00:45

    Thanks mate. Bought Hyundai Santa Fe Elite MY15 Diesel.

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  altomic on 06/02/2015 - 01:34

  I have a my14 diesel outlander 7 sweater DID aspire. Really like it. Way less thirsty than my 2007 Hyundai Tucson. Less servicing with diesel. The tucson was an excellent car but we (family) outgrew it. Otherwise would have kept it. I bought my outlander as near new with 13,000kms for about $34,000. New price at the time was $44,000.

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  Benzy on 07/02/2015 - 00:43

  update: finally bite the bullet. Bought Hyundai Santa Fe Elite MY15 Diesel today for $47000. Hope this is the good price.

  Thank you all for your comments.

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  traz on 24/02/2015 - 16:33

  Do u mind sharing on how you manage to get one for 47k? what extra did you get?

  looking for one myself