Modern day slavery on Australian farms

cannedhams on 25/05/2015 - 15:31

I just watched the recent Four Corners episode on exploitation of Asian labour on working holiday visas, particularly on farms. Definitely worth a look. You can watch it on iview here:-

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/four-corners/NC1504H014S00

This confirmed all my experiences of the working holiday visa being the most rorted visa on the books. My wife used to work for a salon where working holiday maker staff would get the owner to bribe a farmer to sign off on their second visa application (by saying that the applicant had done 88 days work on a farm, which you need to do to get a second visa).

The Four Corners episode went through it all, people being withheld their wages in exchange for employers signing off on their second application, girls and women having to provide sexual favours either for rent or for their second application. Also people being drastically underpaid, as little as four dollars an hour for farm work.

One of my wife's friends went to a strawberry farm on a working holiday visa. The owner would deliberately give each worker only limited hours, thus limiting their income. A lot of these girls didnt have cars, so they would have to buy food at the company store (which was extremely expensive). They ended up more or less living hand to mouth. They wouldnt have bothered with working there but they needed to get their 88 days in order to make a second application.

A lot of the farms will only take Asian workers, as white backpackers are more outspoken and difficult to exploit. There is a part on the video where a labour hire contractor says "dont bring any more Europeans here".

Hopefully it gets to the stage where even our gutless politicians feel inclined to intervene.

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Comments

  • siraitken on 25/05/2015 - 15:43
    +2

    Interesting. I might watch tonight.

    • PVA on 25/05/2015 - 17:36

      yep, its interesting, it was on TV about a month ago. Many new reports afterwards about the emplyment companies being dumped, staff sacked etc.

    • nikey2k27 on 26/05/2015 - 12:59

      It happan all the time meet lots of Aisa worker who are been used in this way.

  • scrimshaw on 25/05/2015 - 16:01
    +4

    $3.95 an hour (around the 26 min mark) for grape picking. Holy crap. Beggars would make more money than these girls do!

  • spychiatrist on 25/05/2015 - 16:04
    +3

    Guess who the ring leaders are as shown in the program: asians, indians, middle easterns.

    • Settero on 25/05/2015 - 16:27
      +4

      yet its Aussies who are turning the blind eye.

      i find this very manipulative.
      do these people have the right to work in Australia ?

      • chompy78 on 26/05/2015 - 08:43

        Yes they can work. WH - working holiday visa.

    • Gnostikos on 25/05/2015 - 20:34
      +1

      Of course, they speak the languages of the migrant workers, they know the right kinds of social/customary/cultural pressure to apply and they know how desperate they are and exactly the right kind of "bait" to use on them.

      Much the same way the people smugglers in South-East Asia operate.

      Typical cast of characters you see on other documentaries of this ilk: cashed-up, flamboyant, well-spoken, and Western-acclimatised Indians or non-mainland Chinese with criminal connections and depraved behaviour.

    • subywagon on 27/05/2015 - 17:14

      I know of a government funded "social organization" that takes advantage of them too, providing the farms with foreign workers and forcing them to use their workers bus and charging them huge amounts for the transport, amongst other things. I have no way to prove it, but was told it by someone who worked for the organization.

  • plmko on 25/05/2015 - 16:34
    +1

    I know someone who is going to work at a farm to get their visa extended. It immediate struck me as 'slave labour', they don't get paid, but they get accommodation and food (just like slaves!).

    However the way she explained it to me, is that they can learn more about Australian culture/ industry/ people/ country-side (and travel to a new state) that are otherwise non-accessible via the tourism industry. I guess it's a little like a two-way street, farmers get free labour and travellers get an experience with the upside of a visa.

    She also mentioned this is a well known thing to do amongst her people, yes she is Asian.

    • [Deactivated] on 25/05/2015 - 17:16
      +3

      Illegal, plain and simple.

      Regardless of what is offered in exchange for their labor (accommodation, food,etc), it must also be accompanied with cold hard cash.

    • scrimshaw on 25/05/2015 - 17:18
      +1

      is that they can learn more about Australian culture/ industry/ people/ country-side (and travel to a new state) that are otherwise non-accessible via the tourism industry.

      Stuck in an outback town devoid of any interesting tourist attractions or entertainment and without any actual money to do any sightseeing or shopping I wouldn't say it's a particularly attractive method of tourism in Australia…

      Also note that it isn't actually as simple as it sounds, because they have pay a fee to actually get the job allocated to them. whoever is running these labour hire companies is making the big bucks at the expense of these migrant workers.

    • plmko on 27/05/2015 - 16:39

      LOL I come back a few days later to see what's happening and I get a neg, looks like someone missed the point of my post. Oh well more ignorance is power to you.

  • firedragon on 25/05/2015 - 17:19

    Just watched it. Thanks for the recommendation, OP. Interesting, and sad. Going to watch the one on bullying of young doctors tonight.

  • Settero on 25/05/2015 - 17:29

    look i watched this and a huge alarm bells rang out to me.

    why are farmers paying award wages to the labour hire company's and not hiring directly,
    my only conclusion is that the farms can not find enough legit workers to do the work, thus being forced to hire these company's, alot of the examples given where from illegal workers

    i get that there is a huge issue , especially with sexual exploitation and holding of wages , but…. some of these industry's would collapse if it was not for illegal immigrants , and by the sounds of it , these farms would lose ALOT of produce if they cant get the workers at the right times.

    i dont want to throw the blame onto big industry's or even farmers for issues that, seem to be a tad bit out of their control.

    • PVA on 25/05/2015 - 17:34

      a lot of companies dont emply people directly, I would say nearly all large companies do it, Aust post, Telstra, Optus, Aus Govt etc.
      They push the admin and costs to the contractor company.

    • scotty on 25/05/2015 - 18:04
      +1

      You pretty much need a dedicated HR department to sort out all these seasonal casual workers, which I doubt the farmers would have the luxury to have. They rather just contract someone to get the work done, and are forced to turn a blind eye when harvest is ready but workers are few.

  • Kousuke Nakamoto on 25/05/2015 - 17:37
    +1

    Hey, just want to say it's true!

    I witness this myself when my backpacker friend complain on working condition and exploits. They charge $150 per week for rooms that are partitioned at remote victoria farms. Filthy conditions and dangerous makeshift kitchen facilities. No heating during the winter and $20 per person for grocery trips. The labour agents take a cut from the backpackers and they get paid at sweatshop rates. e.g. per kg harvested and each fruit must of the right size and ripeness…etc

    The asian backpackers get ripped off big time because of poor english language skills and not being familiar with Australian labour laws. These farms exploit mainly backpackers from Taiwan, Hong Kong and Korea.

    • cannedhams on 26/05/2015 - 05:40
      +1

      Those are the big three. Wages and condition s in those countries are pretty poor anyway, so those workers feel less inclined to complain.

      • scotty on 26/05/2015 - 08:34
        +2

        Not sure about Korea. The crying guy in the Four Corners video is from Hong Kong but for all the other Asians interviewed are most likely from Taiwan. Taiwanese uni graduates have low starting salary of $22k TWD/month (~$922 AUD). Many see working holiday in Australia as a glamorous thing to do for their gap year, earning a significant lump sum to get them a head start. There are many companies here selling those working holiday packages to grads from Taiwan. Sad thing is often it's the local Asians exploiting overseas Asians, but we already know that from Asian take aways paying 10 bux per hour cash on hand to overseas students.

        Also working holiday visa (417) is only eligible to a few countries — Hong Kong, Japan, Korea and Taiwan are the only four in Asia (and Taiwan being the poorest). That's why you don't see people from poorer Asian countries in farms. Australian government could remove those four from the list to stop slavery, but I guess 1) the farmers won't be happy, and 2) for many in Taiwan this Australian working holiday thing is indeed a great way to kickstart life.

        • Kousuke Nakamoto on 26/05/2015 - 22:45

          I say to stop exploitation, all working holiday visa holders should be mandated to only get farmwork from government vetted farms. Backpackers are great supply of unskilled labourers doing work that few Australian wants to do. If they are treated right and paid the award rates i'm pretty sure they will spend their money and pay their taxes too!

        • cannedhams on 27/05/2015 - 21:14

          Yes, although Thais are able to obtain the 462 visa (requires a degree and English proficiency) as someone pointed out downthread.

          Minimum wage in Korea is 5 USD an hour, in japan its closer to seven. So still a relatively low wage country, compared to Australia.

        • scotty on 27/05/2015 - 21:26

          @paizuri: the biggest difference between the two visas is that you can apply 2nd year stay with 417, provided you have done 3 months of regional work. Who want to do regional unless you have to? That's why the slavery in farms are mostly from those on 417 visa, ie Asians from those four countries.

          If you are on 462 you just go home after a year, and most would just take underpaid jobs in the cities.

  • Davros on 25/05/2015 - 17:38

    How does average Joe retiree get some of these workers?
    There are many retirees in Australia they cant afford to pay the exorbitant fees/hour that some want to charge for their unskilled labour.(several hundred dollars a day cash for doing gardening work for example.)
    Just because they lost their jobs driving trucks in the mines should not mean they can expect the public to pay them the same wages.

    While not wishing to support so called slave labour, there is certainly a place for cheaper labour in this country.

  • Gnostikos on 25/05/2015 - 19:46
    +10

    There's some cautionary parables to consider from the equally exploitative child labour sweatshops in South-East Asia manufacturing clothing/textiles/handicrafts; before people simply jump to the conclusion that closing down farms/labour contracters employing holiday visa workers from Asia will solve everything.

    • In the 1990s when the carpet industry in Nepal was comprehensively shutdown by an international boycott over child labour allegations, thousands of young Nepalese girls had no choice but to enter the sex trade, the last viable employment opportunity they had.

    • Cambodia's economy lost $10 million in contracts, and hundreds of Cambodians lost their jobs after a BBC expose aired in 2000 on sweatshop factories in Cambodia with ties to both Nike and Gap clothing. Both Nike and the Gap pulled out of Cambodia under public pressure.

    • Mean income in Pakistan fell by 20% and unemployment shot up drastically after a consortium of anti-sweatshop groups put the spotlight on Pakistan's soccer-stitching plants and had dozens shut down. A large proportion of those laid off ended up in crime, begging, or working as prostitutes.
      Links here

    You have to ask yourself, while conditions are poor for these workers; what opportunities await them back home and what kind of circumstances would they find themselves in without some means of employment here in Australia? The majority are here entirely of their own volition and like the Taiwanese guy says at the beginning, they have to work to support themselves, given they are unskilled and unable to afford tuition.

    Likewise, these understaffed and barely-profitable farms employing these labourers would also face economic hardships without their labour.

    I'm not condoning these practices, but the Problem > Reaction > Solution, feel-good, media-bolstered morality tale that Four Corners is pitching here fails to take into account a rational analysis of how they need us and we need them; something people don't really want to admit.

    You can't feed a first-world nation on dirt-cheap produce and except corners not to be cut either; so while I'm sure everyone will get up in arms over a story like this, I can easily see the enthusiasm waning fast amongst us middle-class tightasses when a bag of oranges scans for $5 or $10 dollars more at the counter or fast food menus suddenly have price spikes, to cover the expense of thoroughly vetting labour hire practices/working conditions on our farms.

    I also take issue with the portrayal of some of the people featured in this documentary as out-and-out victims (the well-to-do European backpackers), when there are thousands of ordinary Australian citizens in far worse positions economically and the trumped-up allegations that Four Corners basically puts into the mouths of the people interviewed; which they don't actually make.

    • cannedhams on 25/05/2015 - 21:06
      +1

      Seasonal labor used to pay quite well. A lot of people made a thousand a week off it. This was before the exploitation of Asian labour. The price difference is pretty minimal, it only takes 5 seconds to pick and pack an apple.

      The fact is what these farms are doing is illegal.

    • Ozbargainite on 25/05/2015 - 23:53
      +5

      I admire the mental gymnastics you did there.
      These people are being ripped off plain and simple.
      Money that should be paid to them is being pocketed by greedy scum
      and farmers either know and turn a blind eye or are complicit.
      You accept the problem is real then later accuse Four Corners of making it up.
      You don't own a "barely profitable farm" do you?

    • chompy78 on 26/05/2015 - 08:41

      Completely agree. The mentality of "poor suffering group xxx"- "let's fix the immediate problem" is causing significant issues for the future.

      Think of the impact of "fixing" some of these with short sighted and reactionary solution, rather than looking at what will give the best result for the medium and long term.

      The problem is we don't want to make hard decisions and politicians are punished for long term good, but some people will suffer short term. So we encourage a mentality of short term, popular decision making that hurts everyone later.

      88 days of farm work is ~4 months. Not a bad investment to get another 1yr visa. And it is voluntary! Every WH person can get another visa in another country if they don't like it, or they can go home.

      As many people have posted, it is their own ethic people here who are doing the abuse due to language and cultural barriers.

      So stop being a reactionary, bleeding heart lemming and think.

    • ahly92 on 27/05/2015 - 16:44

      Another great post Amar89. You seem to be a very intelligent person.
      Are you working in the political field may I ask?

    • badonde on 27/05/2015 - 21:28

      Having done my farm work for my second working holiday and known a lot of the workers, everyone I met was intelligent, hard working and just put up with this because it was an opportunity for new experiences and a chance to save a bit of money if they worked hard. Regardless if you are from Europe, Asia, or anywhere else in the world.

      I don't think the workers from the nations that are part of this agreement have the sort of conditions back home you are alluding to in your post by comparing this situation to sweat shop workers in SEA.
      I don't buy into your suggestion that these people have no other hope at home and have come here as they have awful conditions at home. Perhaps this program makes it look like that, but it has to look extreme or it doesn't make for good TV.

      Your points are valid in relation to South-East Asian economies and sweat shop work exposés but in my experience, not for WHV workers.

      I don't think this situation will change, it has been this way for some time and people are still willing to come, so the benefits are clearly still worth the downsides.
      That doesn't however excuse the blatant exploitation (in the negative sense of the word) of people that have come over here for a good experience and to work hard and earn a bit of money while providing a much needed service.

      It's sad that these developed nations that also host travellers on similar visas are treated like second class citizens in Australia.

      I know whenever I buy fruit or veg that it was some poor backpacker that worked hard for peanuts that picked and packed it.
      But I at least hope that they managed to have a good experience at the same time, as the majority of us do.

  • Charity on 25/05/2015 - 20:42

    The farmers doing this are criminals, but bottom line is the "Asians" need to stand up for themselves (assuming they think it is wrong). It sounds like the "Euro slaves" have done exactly that. Which is why they only want Asians.

    Perhaps $4 an hour is a big step up?

    Obviously they think it is worth it - if they consent.

  • Ozbargainite on 25/05/2015 - 22:39

    My Thai Girlfriend is currently in Australia on a working holiday visa.
    She spent some time working for Costa Exchange (Costa berries) in Tasmania. She picked berries on a per kilo basis and whilst the work was hard she was able to make reasonably good money and on the occasions it was impossible to make good money Costa would pay minimum rates. She also received superannuation. I wonder how taxing people on WH visas will affect the agricultural sector.
    She only had good things to say about Costa and its managers I would have no hesitation buying their produce without fear of their workers having been ripped off.
    To qualify for the visa she had to have an IELTS score of 5.5 and needed a university degree. From what I have witnessed in Sydney the biggest exploiters of Thais on WH visas are fellow Thais.
    Also I only found one business in Thai Town(Sydney CBD) that wasn't cash only with some being quite nice restaurants. I'm sure they pay proper wages and all their taxes cough cough. Interestingly the one business that did accept credit cards over charged me so I took particular pleasure retrieving my money through NSW fair trading.

    • cannedhams on 27/05/2015 - 20:58

      You only need a degree or ielts for a working holiday visa 462, not for a 417 visa.

      Explanation here:-

      http://aussieworkingholiday.com/what-are-the-differences-bet…

    • TheAccountant on 27/05/2015 - 21:04

      I've worked for Costa in the past and while most of the pickers there were Asian, they are actually treated really well.

      They're paid per kilo picked and i know of a few of them who took home $1300-$1500 a week on a good harvest.

  • [Deactivated] on 26/05/2015 - 07:39

    This may be a scandalous situation, but what does it have to do with Ozbargain?

    • scotty on 26/05/2015 - 08:44

      Four Corners is trying to let people know that the locally grown vegetables & fruits you buy from Aldi, Coles and Woolies are likely picked by slaves on working holiday visa. It's related to grocery shopping so it might be related to OzBargain.

      • afoveht on 27/05/2015 - 16:13

        It's related in the sense that the "spirit" of Ozbargain in a large way drives these sorts of things. People are continually after cheaper goods. Guess what? That cheapness does not come from nothing; someone is paying for it. Sure, advances in technology have done a lot for us in that regard but the fact of the matter is that our lavish first world lifestyles are built on the cheap labour of those in other places. When that spills over into places we can see we get upset about it.

  • anniecreebes on 26/05/2015 - 09:42
    +3

    I too watched the program and it had a huge affect on me. I haven't stepped into a Coles and Woolworths for a very long time due to reports of their poor treatment of their suppliers (growers etc) but now to learn Aldi and IGA are also complicit, I have made a decision to re-think my shopping. I'm trying to purchase as close to the growers as possible (eg Farmers Markets) and if you care about animal cruelty as well, organic. This decision means less convenience and higher costs, but I figure we all eat too much anyway and you really do have to think about the repercussions down the line associated with paying these lower prices.

    • afoveht on 27/05/2015 - 16:19

      Unfortunately "organic" does not address animal cruelty in any real way. All "food animals," whether raised organically or otherwise, will endure tortures and premature death. In fact many organically raised animals may suffer more than conventionally raised animals.

    • leiiv on 27/05/2015 - 23:42

      Also, how do you know for sure that the other farmers (non big-supermarket suppliers, eg Farmers Market) does not also do the same thing?

  • x2r9ypbj on 26/05/2015 - 09:49
    +1

    HEY WHAT ABOUT THE SUPERMARKETS RIPPING OFF OUR FARMERS A PITTANCE FOR MILK FROM THE FARM GATE. HOW ARE FARMERS TO SURVIVE
    WHERE IS THE JUSTICE FOR THESE HARD WOKING BATTLERS.IT IS ABOUT TIME THAT THIS GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED AUSTRALIAN FARMERS.

    • [Deactivated] on 26/05/2015 - 12:10
      +1

      +1 supermarkets = GREED

    • Sam Tea on 27/05/2015 - 09:34
      +1

      Agreed.. honestly we are pointing the finger at the wrong person. End of the day most farmers are not multi-million dollar tycoons but average joes trying to make a living. If you went to a shop would you pay $200 for toilet paper to wipe your arse?

      End of the day, they will take what's cheap and quick only because their margins are low and are getting lower and lower because of the fierce competition between Coles and Woolies. If you really care, shop local and buy local, we should take pride in our Aussie farmers as they keep our bellies full and the food on our plate.

      • leiiv on 27/05/2015 - 23:48

        They may not be multi-mullion dollar tycoons, but I would not say that they are average joes. I mean those who own hectares of farm lands…

    • SupeNintendoChalmers on 27/05/2015 - 16:38

      I would've + your comment, had you shown common net courtesy.

      edit- addressed to x2r9ypbj

  • Jared17 on 26/05/2015 - 15:03
    +1

    Really sickens when I first saw this. But not surprised really this happens in Australia.

  • ahly92 on 27/05/2015 - 16:51

    Although not "farming" you might find this analysis on "Fashion Slavery" relevant.
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2o47t6

    And this one on Chicken Farming
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2qjb1f

    LOVE THE SHOW!!!

  • smoothymcmellow on 02/06/2015 - 14:39
    +1

    A friend of mine came from overseas to "experience Australian farmlife" by working in a farm in Renmark SA. She was from a wealthy family.

    We drove her around 8hrs to Renmark, warning her that it was not going to be a fun farm life, but hard work. She didn't like sun and dirt (but that's another story).

    When we got there we met other taiwanese workers, all young, they didn't seem so excited about the life, saying it was hard work.

    They would get a text message in the morning if there was enough work for them, they would get paid by the bucket, $20 a bucket and usually get 3-4 buckets in a days work. For the week they were earning around $250-300.

    There was 10 of them living in a 2 bedroom run down old weatherboard house owned by the farm owner, the grass was about waist height, the place was trashed with food rubbish everywhere. They EACH were being charge $200 a week to live there. This guy was making $2000 a week in rent for a place barely worth $150 a week.

    There take home money was $50-100 a week which they use to buy pasta, 2 minute noodles and send whatever they had left home.

    It's bordering on slavery, I was saddened and ashamed that people abuse the struggling like this.

    She lasted 3 days and moved to Melbourne, shes lucky enough to have a wealthy family to support whatever choice she makes.

    • cannedhams on 02/06/2015 - 20:17

      Awful. I can't believe how far this country has fallen that people can get away with this.

      • Diji1 on 09/06/2015 - 20:26

        Awful yes but your kidding yourself if your teeling yourself a "great moral decline as a country" type of moral narrative because of this: this kind of behaviour is becoming less and less common not the other way around.

        I mean it's far too easy for todays generation to forget that a mere 50 years ago Aboriginal people were required to work like this for less money and not given accomodation - this was normal and widely accepted as a practice.

        • leiiv on 15/06/2015 - 14:23

          Lest we forget..

  • [Deactivated] on 02/06/2015 - 15:05
    +1

    As a female the sexual exploitation really affected me most. It's devastating.

  • User_153999 on 15/06/2015 - 16:51

    Everyone is trying to make a living the farmer and the worker. First you need to fix your supermarket monopoly where they are buying goods from farmers at ridiculously low price! And then sell it back to you at %500-%1000 premium! When the farmer have enough money and enough profit later we can blame them. All what they are doing is WRONG! Im not finding an excuse for farmers but still i see the big issue is from the supermarket monopoly where they always want cheap prices from farmers and always threaten them to buy from somewhere else. Those poor worker need to know their rights and need to know that they can sue farmers and claim back all their unpaid wages. But at the end of the day you dont want to pay high prices for your food. If you are really concerned about this you may want to stop buying Aussie fruit and veggies :) I think i may need to requestion my life style and stop browsing at Ozbargain and buying things i dont really need only because they are cheap(I have a dozen on eneloop unused batteries!).

  • geoffellis on 23/06/2015 - 19:42

    As someone who spent about 2 years backpacking and working on farms - theres the good and the bad.

    There are many farmers/businesses that pay the award. And there are many that do not. Some go far as to be downright abusive. Worked for a week at one vineyard. We were watched by the farm hands all day long. End of the week we go to get paid, and were told we would only get 3 days pay because the first 2 days weren't done properly and the guy purportedly lost a lot of money after the tractors went through and cut perfectly good vine. BULL SHIT. If we were doing it incorrectly we should have been corrected by the guys going up and down monitoring our work. We weren't corrected or told to adjust.

    As for asians and contractors - A lot of those are run by Asians. And they are the ones abusing the people from their own country. Not to mention got hired by an asian contractor to work on a broccoli field, and then when it came to get paid - the guy took off. We never saw our money. The farmer though, was honest and paid us for the work we did, even though he lost that same amount of money to the scammer.

    Asians do work incredibly fast though. Doing piecework they would double, sometimes triple what I could do. It was pretty (profanity) amazing to be honest. I'm not a slacker by any means and I work hard. but the speed and dexterity at which they can remove fruit and what not, particularly blueberries - definitely makes me understand why farmers prefer asian workers from thailand/korea/japan/etc. especially when they pay hourly rates. At piecemeal rates they do even better.

    • cannedhams on 24/06/2015 - 09:39

      Interesting comment.

      I've done seasonal labour before as well, used to live up north. I picked bananas in Innisfail and that was my favourite fruit. You get to carry a machete and carry 70kg bunches of bananas and act like a caveman basically. Some girls would show up, I remember one English girl rocked up and said, jesus, I thought bananas grew in hands like you see at the shops. They couldnt lift the weight generally and would clear out pretty fast.

      Stonefruit are fine. Avocados, anything that is at eye level. Mangos are fine, I got pretty good with the mango picker. Ground cover crops are sh*t. You bend over all day picking strawberries and asparagus and whatnot.

      I am not sure if its an Asian thing. In England, farmers get Polish workers to come in and pick all their crops, and they're considered pretty quick as well. I think women though are better at the fiddly jobs.

      • geoffellis on 24/06/2015 - 12:07

        I think women though are better at the fiddly jobs.

        Ya that was the other thing… There were a lot of places that hired only women as well if they could. In my experience if you were asian or female you were pretty much guaranteed work anywhere you went. And it was "easy work" in packing sheds and what not. White males though, we had to fight for work and it was always out under the hot sun harvesting potatoes, planting trees, cutting vines, for 10+ hours a day. Decent money if they paid the award but (profanity) it could be rough/brutal at times.

        • [Deactivated] on 08/07/2015 - 15:51

          I remember talking about this work with an English and REALLLLLLY HOT German guy and they said the same thing.
          Females did domestic work and the males picked fruit outside.

          I would much rather do domestic work. Peeling potatoes and making beds? Easy.

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