Driving Licence Test VICTORIA - Whats the trick to passing it in one go?

I am looking to get a Victorian Driving Licence. I have already passed my learners and hazards. I have been told my numerous people that I wont be able to clear the drive test without taking a few classes where they show you the route and tell you the most important thing to take care of while driving.

I don't wanna spend extra on driving classes as I have been driving for past 4 years on my overseas licence and have had no traffic offences and I am a confident driver.

HOW CAN I AVOID PAYING FOR THE DRIVING LESSONS? SHOULD I ATTEMPT WITHOUT ANY LESSONS? HAS ANYBODY CLEARED IN THEIR FIRST ATTEMPT?

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  • +35

    No need of unnecessary CAPS. First you need to learn this basic lesson.

    have had no traffic offences and I am a confident driver.

    This does not mean you are safe driver. Driving instructor should teach you how to be a safe and responsible driver.
    Most of the people on OS license with OS experience DOES make mistake but just that they were not caught by cameras/police or luckily they did not meet with any accident.

    Sorry for being harsh, but i would say you are OVER-confident.

      • +2

        OS trained drivers are much more trained and experienced.
        Would you be able to provide more information/knowledge on this? I m keen to know about OS experience and their training and how it differ from Australian training.

        • +1

          @harsain:
          Thanks. Can you show me where did i blame OS Driver?
          Don't get hot blooded my friend. It's cold outside.

        • +14

          @harsain:

          Possibly through experience, i would say it depends on the country they are from. But I have experienced people in heavily populated countries where there are no road rules or lanes as such are used to driving in much slower speeds and with cars all around them, sometimes struggle in the larger and more spacious roads we have as well as arent as used to having to follow lane markings and road rules as such.

        • +3

          @harsain:

          hahaha… good one buddy..

        • +7

          @lonewolf: Absolutely. The concept of "right of way" is so critical in Australian driving, but is just ignored in other countries, and understandably so. If you wait for a gap in the traffic to pull out in Manila, you'll be waiting for hours.

        • +8

          Depends on where you mean by OS.

          I'm of Indian origin (born in Aus, lived my whole life in Aus, but still part of Indian communities) and have seen many Indians come to Aus and start driving - they're horrible. Don't follow/know the rules, drive too slow/too fast etc. They believe their good drivers because they haven't been in crashes, but they cause all sorts of chaos and anger to those around them. They don't care - they're used to people honking at them. They're also quite arrogant drivers.

          Having said that - European drivers are generally very good - and much better than Australian trained drivers. So your blanket statement is both correct and incorrect at the same time.

        • +1

          @deeps:

          your blanket statement is both correct and incorrect at the same time.

          Which just means it's flat out incorrect haha

      • -4

        actually more car crashes are caused by standard license holders than provisional drivers (2012 nsw statistics - 38,443 vs. 10,756 respectively).

        • +13

          LOL. How many provisional drivers are there against how many standard license holders?!
          Everyone know that P platers are at a very high risk of accident within the first 6 months! It even says so in the welcome booklet!

        • @Htu08:
          Provisionals have a higher risk, sorry I didn't have the percentages. But if harsain is implying that most of the accidents involve by provisionals, then that's probably not true.

        • +2

          That is not a statistic,

        • +3

          Because there are more standard license holders than P plate drivers?

      • Mate, get off your high horse and go home.

    • +8

      "have had no traffic offences and I am a confident driver."

      If you are a confident driver, why would you post this topic?

    • "Most of the people on OS license with OS experience DOES make mistake but just that they were not caught by cameras/police or luckily they did not meet with any accident."

      Can you provide some information from where you got those Stats? or You just like throwing statements that should be treated as Gospel?

  • +15

    In most cases being confident means you don't realize some of the mistakes your make and therefore fail to clear in the first attempt. My partner is an average driver and she cleared in the first attempt because she follows the rules.

    • Agreed. Apologies I went to vote you up but hit neg by mistake. Alerted the mods to undo my fat finger incident.

      • +3

        you can undo it yourself by clicking votes and then deleting your vote

  • i have been living in Melbourne for 7 years, been driving for 4 years without a accident or traffic offence. Why do you find it difficult to believe that I am a good driver? I dont mind going for a driving lesson, the only problem is that I dont want to spend $50 on one lesson and then you dont get anything out of it. They ask you to at least take 10 lessons and I am not looking to spend $500 learning what I already know..

    My questions was how many people here have given their driving test without any lessons and what is the success rate? And is there any self learning guide before you go for the actual test to avoid paying for lessons?

    • +5

      My daughter only took two lessons with an instructor, and passed her test easily.

      We worked out the potential test routes with the aid of Google and following other learner drivers, which I think helped.

    • +30

      OP, no one can answer this for you. Don't take the lessons, do the test and find out how good you really are.

    • +35

      Why do you find it difficult to believe that I am a good driver?

      Because everyone in Australia thinks they're a good driver.

      Seriously;

      • The cow in the mum tank doing 80 in a school zone because their little princess might be late for their oboe lesson
      • The idiot who stomps on the brakes in a merging lane and almost gets wiped out by a truck
      • The 17 year old P plater playing on their phone while driving

      I can guarantee you all of these people think they're good drivers, and this is why people aren't taking you seriously.

      If you're such a great driver then do the test. If you are actually good you'll pass no worries without knowing anything about the test routes or tricks to pass.

      • +11

        Totally agree. When I first had my license, I thought I was a great driver. In hindsight, I was SO dangerous.

        Even now after driving for over 10 years, I am still not a great driver. I'm not as dangerous as I used to be but I admit that I do get distracted, I tune out sometimes, I misjudge distances, I misjudge speeds, I miss speed signs etc.

        I never intentionally drive dangerously and I have never been in an accident but I don't think that's a measure of a great driver.

        • -3

          I never intentionally drive dangerously and I have never been in an accident but I don't think that's a measure of a great driver.

          What exactly is then? Because for all practical purposes someone who does not get hurt or hurt others literally can't do better on those particular measures.

          I don't understand the mentality. Is it about self deprecation? Tall poppy syndrome? What exactly? What do you gain from bashing yourself or anyone else? Because while I can see a lot of harm being done by overconfident people driving dangerously, I can also see a lot of harm being done by undermining the confidence of the average driver.

          And the irony here of course is that you boast that you're good because you realise you're bad? Makes no sense.

        • I've seen plenty of bad drivers pass the test. (in WA at least)

          I remember when I did my test. It was so easy - drive around at a leisurely pace on straight wide roads, park the car, parallel park the car, reverse park the car, bit more driving on nice straight roads, go back to the licensing joint and get a new license.

          As long as you don't speed, cause a crash, signal correctly and check your mirror every now and then, they pass you.

          Was happy and concerned at the same time.

        • @syousef:
          I was simply agreeing with Herp's previous comment and providing evidence for my belief based on person experience.
          No boasting, no bashing. Pretty simple.

        • @deeps:

          Proving you can drive well to any standard does not ensure you won't go out and drive badly.

        • -4

          @lemc6125:

          Even if you forgive he use of "idiot", "The cow in the mum tank" isn't bashing? Because that's what you agreed with.

        • @syousef: When people are communicating via text, descriptive language is a great way to paint a picture for the reader. Yes Herp was using strong descriptions which generalised certain groups of people and by doing so painted a vivid picture for the reader. I didn't take offence to it because I know he's not personally attacking anyone. So yeah, I forgive the use of the words "idiot" and "cow" because I understand the purpose and context of those words.

        • -1

          @lemc6125:

          Have you considered a career in politics? Because if you are able to blatantly explain away common abuse as a matter of "purpose and context" it's safe to say you'll go far. What a bunch of BS!

        • @syousef: Personally I passed the test on my first try after about 8 months of driving, but I picked up several little errors which a professional driving instructor would have corrected before I did the test. Things you don't think about when you drive every day.

      • Sums it up perfectly, they should print that in the booklets.

        • -3

          I can see it now. Here's a sample question:
          You are stopped at a pedestrian crossing in a school zone. Children have finished crossing and the crossing guard has just cleared the intersection. How many seconds should you give it before you honk "the cow in the mum tank" to get the old mooer moving?

          …OR they could continue to write the pamphlets the way they currently do, showing respect for all road users and emphasise defensive driving. What a novel idea!

      • -3

        The cow in the mum tank

        Clearly you've learnt how to show respect and courtesy for other road users.

        And what do you get for this here on Ozbargain? Applause. Says a lot unfortunately. Now watch me get negged.

        • +1

          Unfortunately, as the clock ticks past 3:30pm all the immoral driving around schools comes from…

          Cows.

          People who drive like that in school zones deserve no respect.

        • -1

          @KaptnKaos:

          Name calling is a weak way of dealing with the problem. It makes you look bad, not the other person. It does nothing to address the issue. Worst it gives the perpetrator ammunition against you.

          Just look at how Barnaby Joyce handled illegal entry of dogs into Australia, which is against our laws and risks bringing diseases into the country. He had the moral high ground and because he spoke like a lout from the gutter he is the one that came across as a thug and an international joke. Depp ended up looking like the victim.

      • +2

        The cow in the mum tank doing 80 in a school zone because their little princess might be late for their oboe lesson

        …is likely to lose her license these days given the number of school zone cameras. She may even be reported by school staff if there is no camera.

        Oh and by the way cows aren't issued license, so lets add driving without a license? ;-)

        The idiot who stomps on the brakes in a merging lane and almost gets wiped out by a truck

        What about the idiot truckie that disobeys roadwork 40 signs and then boasts about running people who do obey them off the road? This one is not rhetoric. I've both known a truckie who liked to boast about running people off the road (wife's friend's ex), and I have almost been killed about 8 years ago on the Hume Highway - had their been no where to pull up I'd have been rear ended by a pair of semi-trailers doing 120-140 while I was at 40. Sadly I didn't get plates or I would have reported them. Speed limited my foot!

        The 17 year old P plater playing on their phone while driving

        Who cares what age or if it's a P plater? It's always some other group we need to demonise huh? No one should be playing on their phone while driving and if caught fines and loss of points.

      • Congratulations. I despise people like that who think that they can drive.

        Seriously, driver's licence requirements these days only test a person's ability to operate a motor vehicle.

        Not drive it.

        • I suppose you think you're a superior driver, but regardless of your driving skills your people skills need work. You should spend less time and energy despising people.

        • @syousef:
          Nah mate, I passed according to the regulations which haven't changed dramatically since then.

          So, in compliance with what I mentioned in my previous message, I too knew at the of passing my test how to operate my vehicle.

          My progress since then must've been positive in some way, given that I'm alive and haven't had one fine.

        • @KaptnKaos:

          Well then you've done well. What more is needed exactly? There's not much need for precision driving, stunt driving or race car driving on the roads.

          How long have you been driving?

    • +12

      I did pass my Road Knowledge, Hazard Perception, Driving test in first attempt without taking any classes. Ensure you remember all rules in Road to Solo driving handbook.

      Go through the information in this page https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/licences/your-ps/get-your-ps….

      Read this pdf https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/media/files/formsandpublic…

      Most important things to remember.

      1) Dont exceed the speed limit. Don't go too slow when the road is clear.
      2) Full head check when changing lanes
      3) Drive as smooth as possible. Dont be aggressive while driving.
      4) Don't be nervous. Don't be over confident.

      I'm not sure if you are eligible to take up Keys to Drive free driving lesson from RACV. If eligible give it a shot. http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/racv/Internet/Primary…

      Go through the hazard perception practice test a few times http://mylicence.sa.gov.au/hazard-perception-test/5/1

      Good luck with your driving test.

      • Thanks mate!

      • +1

        Most helpful post in this entire thread.

      • Very helpful indeed, the test will be dependent on the conditions and the deposit drivers reponse based on awareness. There is no way to say you will/will not pass the test.
        Following the road rules and preparing as much possible will assist together rwith your experience.
        I know that one can only legally drive for three months on an OS license unless legislation has changed recently.

        All the best with your test.

    • +3

      You have been living in Melbourne for 7 years but you are not a permanent resident or Australian citizen?
      You say you can drive on your overseas licence for as long as you want. Why bother asking how to get a Victorian drivers licence?

      • Actually, after 3 months, your supposed to get a local licence.
        OP is lucky if pulled up and no local licence and to not get fined.

    • +1

      i have been living in Melbourne for 7 years, been driving for 4 years without a accident or traffic offence.

      Then you have no need to do any driving lessons. You should be able to show up and pass on the first go! Just practice your reverse parallel parking as you will fail the test if you can't do it well.

    • +1

      Everyone has probably said the most obvious points, but ill say this one. Its better that you get a few driving lessons from a qualified instructor so that you know the different rules in terms of where you came from and melbourne.

      My parents came from overseas, and they transferred their licenses across back in the days when you did not have to resit your license. However if they took the license now, i am not confident they would "pass in one go".

      I have been driving in melbourne for about 9 years now, and I can tell you i see people everyday which i question how they even passed their driving test.

      Few examples:
      People who drive 50 in an 80 zone in the middle lane, with no intention of turning.
      People stopping with the nose of their car over the intersection line
      People doing U turns on solid white lines
      People not giving way to those already in a roundabout.

      Just because you are confident and have had no incidents does not equate to you being able to pass the test in one go. The reason we have strict rules is so that when people go off to drive on their own, they will hopefully only stray so far from the "safe" driving code.

      • People who drive 50 in an 80 zone in the middle lane, with no intention of turning.

        I don't have an issue with this, you don't need to keep left when the speed limit isn't above 80.

        • If there is no valid reason as to why you are driving more than 10km/h under the speed limit, you can have points deducted or failed. Driving less than 20km/h under the speed limit, you now become a hazard.

          More often than not people that are doing this are also talking on their mobile phones, or distracted chatting with their passengers, or texting.

          Here is the road rule

          1. Unreasonably obstructing drivers or pedestrians

          (1) A driver must not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver or a pedestrian.
          Penalty: 2 penalty units.
          Note Driver includes a person in control of a vehicle—see the definition of drive in the dictionary.
          (2) For this rule, a driver does not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver or a pedestrian only because—
          (a) the driver is stopped in traffic; or
          (b) the driver is driving more slowly than other vehicles (unless the driver is driving abnormally slowly in the circumstances).

          Example of a driver driving abnormally slowly
          A driver driving at a speed of 20 kilometres per hour on a length of road to which a speed-limit of 80 kilometres per hour applies when there is no reason for the driver to drive at that speed on the length of road.

        • @nairdajun: it should say 125. Unreasonably….

          Im not sure why it cut that out

        • @nairdajun:

          In that case, then absolutely, but there's a difference between 20kmph and 50kmph in an 80kmph zone. I'd probably be guilty of driving 50kmph down Hoddle(in those rare times when you're not in a traffic jam) when I probably could have gone 70kmph but you seem to hit the same lights as everyone else anyway…

        • +1

          @zappy_32:
          Yes but when I was taking the test my instructor warned me not to go too slow. They can fail you for driving 60 in an 80 zone if they haven't told you to turn

        • I thought was 60?

          Hmm, better refresh again

    • You're better off taking at least maybe 2 or 3 lessons rather than risking failing and having to pay for another test. I got my licence earlier this year I had 5 lessons with RACV but my instructor said I was ready by the second lesson. Id do one lesson so the instructor can tell you what to work on/look out for, then have a second lesson to familiarise yourself with other possible test routes. Also, have a lesson immediately before your test if possible. I think you'd be better off paying for lessons and making sure you definitely pass, rather than winging it and risking paying for multiple tests.

  • +14

    I disagree with the people who have posted already. Being confident is not the same as being over-confident. There are far too many under-confident people driving around that cause just as many problems as over-confident people.

    If you are a good driver and know the road rules, there should be no issue with you passing the test. It may make you more comfortable if you know the route they are likely to take you on during the test, but it really shouldn't matter. I believe the test is around $50, which is likely to be cheaper than a single driving lesson anyway. Why not have a go and see if you pass. If not, get a couple of lessons and try again.

    Good luck :)

  • +4

    Why not just take the test? Nothing to worry about if you pass. If you do fail, just take couple lessons on the area you did poor in.

    • +4

      This. If you're a "good driver" you will pass. If you're a "bad driver" ( :) ) you will not pass and they will give you feedback as to why.

  • +2

    I'm in the same boat for my R class. I've been riding for about 14 years (both big and small bikes), but I will have one lesson to find out what they test for nowadays, what route is possible, general insider knowledge. It'll be worth the $50 odd.

  • Try Dandenong. It used to have reputation of easy test clearance by booking 2 hr lesson with instructor and get familiarised with test routes. Dandenong testers used to follow the same route. Lot of my friends did in 2003-2005.
    But not sure if it is still the same. Else follow iChopstick suggestion.

    • Dandenong was easy 10 years ago when I did my test. It is now a lot harder since it moved to a busy industrial area. Pakenham is very easy if you are in the south east.

  • +1

    just make sure you are constantly doing mirror checks, as you go past anything that can be considered a hazard. This is what they watch you for. the rest is easy, just drive like normal and follow the rules and you will be fine.

    • +4

      And don't just glance at the mirrors without moving your head - the tester might not notice that you've checked the mirrors.

      • +1

        Yes, this.

        When i did mine i could see in my peripheral vision every time the instructor was checking to see if i was doing a mirror check. I swear to god i couldn't have made it anymore obvious that i was doing a mirror check at one point and i never saw him look up and at the end he said i missed a mirror check at that point.

        So definitely make the checks obvious and early enough to be seen.

        • +2

          Definitely this, make it so damn obvious.

        • +1

          @Unorthodox: And if required, say MIRROR CHECK when you're doing it ;)

        • @cowiie:

          Does this help? I'll advise everyone to do it as well if it does!

        • @GGGU: when you start out as a learner, saying what you do can help you get into the habit. But doing it in the driving test may result in a beating by your instructor.

        • @cowiie:

          Really? Aren't you just trying to ensure that the guy knows you've done the headcheck, and not miss it?

        • @GGGU: Put yourself in the shoes on the examiner. Hearing "mirror check" every 30 seconds would drive you up the wall. Funny at first, but then he will smash his head against the windshield after the first 5 minutes.

  • +3

    lol there is no trick to the test beyond doing everything correctly as per our local road rules. Being a confident driver doesn't you are a correct and safe driver. I am a confident driver, but i know i still have a lot of hours to clock up.

    The best thing you could do would be booking a few hours with an instructor to help flush out your international road habits albeit good or bad.

  • +1

    Follow the rules and be confident.

    Honestly, you driving overseas doesn't mean much if the rules are different and reactions are different.

    Consider that you're paying to take the test and if you fail you'll need to rebook.

    One driving lesson ($55~) and ask for a drive around a test route and see if there's any habits that's a negative.

    Piece of advice:

    DO NOT BOOK YOUR TEST DURING SCHOOL ZONE HOURS! :)

    • +3

      I did the opposite. I booked my test during the school zone hours for my L and i never had to go above 40 :P

      • You need to drive test for your L's?

        I found it difficult because it's stressful where I live in terms of traffic and that's where the testing centre is.

        Haha although school zones do run down the test time haha

        • There is no practical test for learner permits.

        • @KaptnKaos: Yeah sorry. I meant when i go from my L to my P

      • There is no practical test for learner permits.

  • +7

    I passed first time with around 20 hours driving time because of a good instructor that basically taught me a 'formula' for passing each challenging scenario they put you in. Most of it was indicating and which windows/mirrors to look out of and vehicle positioning. Do you know how to indicate when doing a 3 point turn and which mirrors/windows to look out of after each step? Do you know how to reverse park in 3 moves perfectly every time?

    Make sure you are not checking your mirrors/windows with only your eyes, when you check the rear view mirror you need to tilt your head slightly. If asked to change lanes check your mirrors, indicate, check your blind spots, look back on road for 1 sec then move lane and remain constant speed. If someone in your blind spot you stay indicated, slow down slightly without braking then when safe check blind spot again and change lane.

    There is never a hurry to do anything, reverse park or 3 point turn you have loads of time but limited moves, ensure your car is in correct position before making a move. If it is questionable if it is safe or not to turn, don't turn as if a car has to change lanes to overtake you you can fail even if it was 'safe'. You can only turn into 1st lane when 2 lanes are free.

    You probably know most of this but just in case :P

    Don't get a cheap dodgy instructor if you do get one, my instructor was greek and the tester was greek so they were just talking to each other the whole time as greeks do, some of it was about dodgy instructors (asian instructors with international asian students) who would deliberately tell them the wrong things so that they get more money from more lessons, one even pulled the handbrake on the student when he was about to pass and there was nothing the tester could do, she had to fail him.

    • +3

      Sounds like your instructor was the dodgy one, teaching you tricks to pass.

      • +1

        lol that's what I paid him for ;)

  • -1

    Are you sure you know the road rules? Seems you might have been driving in Victoria for the last 3 1/2 years without the correct licence https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/licences/renew-replace-or-up…
    Or have you just joined OB to test us?

    • +1

      You can drive on your OS license for as many years as you want provided you are not permanent resident or citizen.

  • +4

    "HOW CAN I AVOID PAYING FOR THE DRIVING LESSONS? SHOULD I ATTEMPT WITHOUT ANY LESSONS? HAS ANYBODY CLEARED IN THEIR FIRST ATTEMPT?"

    Signs of road rage right there.

    • hahaha.. not at all. signs of me not knowing how to best use the English language

      • +1

        HAS ANYBODY CLEARED IN THEIR FIRST ATTEMPT?

        You might want to rethink your language choices there.

  • +2

    I'm a confident driver, but put me behind the wheel of a car overseas and my confidence would plummet to about 0%. Even in the UK the signs are all different.

    • Strange…I've driven in Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, US and Canada and never had any more problems or nervousness than I ever experienced in Australia…it's not that hard!

      • +2

        Try China or India…your balls will shrink to a size of a 5 cent coin while trying to navigate across the sea of people on the road…remember, people have a right of way there. Cars stop for people who are trying to jaywalk even on major roads.

        • Ironically I am from India :)

        • @savwaii:

          You must have had good practice in India ! Im sure you will make it in Victoria.

    • Actually the signs in the UK are all standard. You will find the same signs all over Europe and in many parts of Asia. It is Australian signs which do not conform. Seems Australia always has to re-invent the wheel, which is why overseas visitors have trouble driving here on short visits.

  • +1

    My tip: Don't feign confidence. Just be yourself, but a very conservative version of yourself. Try to think what it would be like if you were driving near the tester's kids. If they would be nervous, you may fail. Whatever you do, don't elevate the stress levels in the car. Just make their job easier. And that starts with being able to drive, and communicate normally.

  • I'm confused, if you have been driving on an overseas licence for 4 years why not just convert it to a Victorian one? No need to do any tests or whatnot.

    Alternatively, convert your Ls to SA and do the VORT here, I expect like most things across the border it will be easier. :) (I got my drivers licence many years ago by doing the "logbook" which involved about 10 driving lessons and a test at the end conducted by the same instructor, which was much better I think - not sure if this is possible in other states but it is a bit irrelevant anyway since you said you don't want to spend that many lessons).

    • There are 10/15 countries and jurisdictions where driver licensing and testing standards are recognised in Victoria. No tests will be required to convert a car or motorcycle driver licence to a Victorian equivalent.

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