Being Forced to Move by Our Crazy Neighbour

Hi All,

Sorry if this comes across as a rant, but my Crazy Neighbor is driving us nuts!
Just wanna share my ordeal with her and any advice is appreciated.

Here's the situation, moved into a house 3 years ago. 4 houses share one private road, I'm the second house on the road and my crazy neighbor is the first one.
All the neighbors were really nice at first including the crazy one.

Just my wife and our 1 year old living here, very few visitors and we like to keep to ourselves. Her, I estimate to be in her 50s, divorced, with 3 kids that she said stays with the father. Ex-husband is an architect, so she's an "expert" in the area and can't stop telling me about it.

It was all good at first, I did all the neighborly stuff like move her bins, help her with moving furniture etc….
But the nightmare started when we wanted to renovate our house and do a small extension inside our old garage space.

Fencing Saga:

As part of the DA process, we had to get a surveyor to mark the boundaries, with our house being in a bushy area, there's actually no fence in between the houses. As soon as she saw the surveyors, she confronted them and asked them flat out whether we were going to put up fencing.

The surveyors told me about this and being still neighborly at the time. I explained to her we are doing an extension and not intending on putting up fencing. But that didn't stop her from telling me how many lawyer friends she has and how she hates fencing and how its bad for the wildlife (even though she has fence on all other sides of her house).

Building Saga:

DA gets approved and work commences, that's when stuff gets bad.
1)Strategically placing bins near the corner of her block, so big trucks will have problems moving in. She will then go harass the tradies for moving her bin.
2)Complaints directly to the council for illegal asbestos removal and council proved to be false.
3)Complaints directly to the council for illegal building works, even though there is a big sign on the property with the builders's and PCA details.
4)We tried to keep the place as clean as possible, but if she sees any pieces of paper/plastic, we'll see it hanging on our branches.
5)Our new baby arrived during this time, so my section of driveway was a little neglected. But the good neighbor on the other side helped out with the sweeping. Crazy lady didn't like it though, came over and gave me a lecture on how I should keep my section of the driveway clean and went as far as telling me I should get my parents to move in if we couldn't handle the baby.

After these complaints, we kinda avoid her.

The Carport Saga:

Recently, I put up a carport, which I had a development exemption for. It was a DIY kit and over 10 meters from the boundary on all sides. Couple of weeks ago, I got a letter from council saying they need to inspect my carport because my downpipe was not correctly connected. They were also going to inspect my air conditioner, because someone complained that its location (unused pathway) can potentially be a fire safety risk.

I admit the downpipe wasn't connected, but the water was running into my garden. Since it didn't really affect anyone, it was quite low into my to-do list. But seriously, complaining about a downpipe on your neighbours carport and their AC? I must have really p1ssed her off!

I got pretty annoyed at this point and called the council and made my own complaint about her running a youth hostel in her property (A story for another time).

The Letter Box Saga:

Last week, I replaced my old letter box with a new one, at the exact same location. She comes banging on the door just before 8 in the morning(waking the whole household up in the process) and tells me I have to move the mailbox because she can't get to her mail without cutting herself on it. I was a bit shocked and she repeated it 3 times really slowly like I was an idiot. I got the letter box from bunnings, so all the edges were rounded and there was plenty of room to get her mail! I couldn't be bothered arguing with her, so I moved it anyway.

Today:

Today my parents came to visit while I was at the shops, apparently she came over to them and told him he was driving too fast on the private road (which I doubt, he's in his 60's and drives an old bomb).
She came and confronted me in my backyard and accused my dad of yelling at her. Seriously, its Christmas. Chill out! I couldn't stand it anymore and asked what her problem was, how we pissed her off and when are the complaints going to stop? She just keep repeating, if you received any complaints from me, let me see it in writing. But I ended up telling her I've had it and I'm putting a fence up in the new year and I expected her to pay half.

So Here are my options:
1)Put up the fence and just stay put.
2)Sell and move on
3)Do nothing.

Honestly, I've got a baby and wife to look after and I don't really have the energy to deal with her constant complaints. So I'm thinking of selling up. It'll be less stressful on all of us in the long run, but its so sad that we are being forced out of our home by the crazy lady next door.
What does everyone else think?

Update:

Thanks for everyone for their replies, just went to the station and had a friendly chat with a constable there.
I told her about my ordeal, she was really nice and sympathetic but unfortunately the crazy neighbor is being really smart and there's nothing they can do at this point.
However, she told me the first step I should take is to write a letter to inform her she's no longer allowed on my property. If she needs to discuss anything, she is to either do it via email or snail mail.
After doing this, if she gets caught on my property, I'll be able to apply for an AVO at my local court.

I'll be drafting the letter and putting it in her letterbox tonight. I'll also keep my camera's on and hopefully catch her in my property.

The more I read the replies, the more I wanna put the fence up and stay-put. (Hopefully I don't waiver, when her next compliant comes. :) Thanks everyone!

Edit: Modified headings for better readability

Poll Options

  • 521
    Put up the fence and just stay put.
  • 19
    Sell and move on
  • 3
    Do nothing.

Comments

  • +1

    Go over with a bible and ask her if she'd like to discuss the meaning of life. She will either invite you in and be very nice or completely leave you alone. I'm banking on her never talking to you again!

  • Might give you few ideas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ub3htAYak :D

  • +11

    I'll be drafting the letter and putting it in her letterbox tonight.

    I'd send this by registered post.
    Even if you've already delivered it, i'd send another one by registered post.
    That's your evidence that you've actually sent something.

    Ignore all the advice about you acting like a tool, otherwise she'll use that against you and you'll sound like the twit.

    If you ever really go for an AVO, which i doubt you'd get anyway, it's best you appear squeaky clean.
    BTW AVO's are about an apprehension of violence, and i'm not sure she's quite reached that threshold. What you may have is an action in trespass once you've provided the letter making clear that she is not to enter your property.

    BTW lots of sexist and misogynist claptrap in this thread. I assume you all have mothers - not sure what she'd think of some of the crap here.

    • +1

      Agree with this post. Make sure you send your letters via registered post in future! I have 6 neighbours all around my block and it makes me so glad I have freaking amazing neighbours!

  • +4

    If you are giving her written correspondence don't just put it in her letterbox. You need to send it to her via registered post so that you have a record of delivery. Otherwise she can just deny receipt of anything you put in the letterbox.

  • +11

    You've seen all these students enter her house, but have you seen any leave lately ?

  • +1

    ADVOs are not my way of doing things. However, if you do plan on doing so - make sure you don't tell her that's what you'll do - else she'll get in first. And you don't want one of those for many reasons I won't even go into, as some of them you wouldn't want to think about at this stage of life. Just take the advice as it's meant, in sincere concern. Actually, thinking more about it, although the courts are reluctant to grant her one after they did you, it still can happen. I would be moving. Your family relationship/s are far more important than any lost amount of money.

  • +3

    Of course stay put! You gonna give in to an old fag for no reason? No way in hell!

  • +8

    If your child came home crying, saying they never want to go back to school, would you sell up your home and move, so that you can send your child to a different school? Of course you wouldn't, you'd deal with the problem, the school bully.

    Well a neighbourhood bully is just a grown-up school bully. You must at least attempt to deal with the problem before you give up and move. Finish your renovations, build the fence (out of sight, out of mind), let her know where you stand and that you won't be intimidated.

    And when an opportune time arises, mention her to your other neighbours (just in passing, you don't need to whinge about her). I know you don't want to involve your neighbours, but they may be potential (or even actual) victims of the same bully.

    By your accounts of her, she seems like just another grown-up school bully with unresolved personal issues.

  • +9

    Really? Thats it? This is NOTHING!!!

    Fencing Saga:
    Definitely what started it….now build it!!!

    Building Saga:
    1) Not your problem
    2) So what?
    3) So what?
    4) Put it in the bin.
    5) And you bothered to listen to it?

    The Carport Saga:
    Connect the pipe.

    The Letter Box Saga:
    I would have told her to tell the council/police and shut the door.

    Today:
    Thats the only one that I would really give a sh$t about and to be honest I would of ended up being the crazy one coz I would have gone off something fierce.

    Get the fence, get the avo and then just ignore the crap, throw the letters in the bin and for f$cks sake go out the back and play and laugh and talk and live you bloody life!! YOUR letting some crazy old bird ruin your life and she isnt even doing jack!! When you have to put up with loud music for 16 hours a day call me, when your windows get smashed once a month call me, when you cant leave anything out the front call me, when you have groups of people trying to threaten you when you enter your home call me, when neighbours send vibrations through the floor to wake you up call me, when you have a hose put under your front door call me….until then grow a hide!

    Im sorry I really am sympathetic, living with bad neighbors is the worst, but your neighbor really isnt that bad.
    You really only have three choices. Leave….if you can afford it thats what Id do, but not before you build that fence. Build the fence, get an avo, ignore her and live with it. Or get someone to beat the living hell out of her, because thats the only way youll win. Right now your not fighting, this isnt a fight, its a GAME! and shes LOVING it! Stop playing and just live your life!

    • +3

      Those neighborly hostilities you mentioned sounds like warfare. Do you live near housing commission by any chance?
      I just can't imagine this kind of appalling behaviour occurring in suburbia.

      • Does Suburbia still exist? It's becoming a mythical dream. Perhaps those older leafy suburbs have retained civility and mutual respect. I remember one of those places once. My Grandparents house when I was a kid. Another world.

        • I'm fortunate enough to have very nice and considerate neighbours but I have seen my little 'suburbia' change over the last 30 years and I'm not all too happy with it. I think a move out to the country/coast is in order, anywhere but Sydney. There are still very nice parts of the city but I can't afford to live there. I still live with parents.

        • @wolfenator87: Just a poor neighborhood I guess, not housing commission. One (hose under door) can be put down to simple mental problems…we became good friends in the end. The other three I believe can be put down to one thing aswell…METH!!! I eFn hate that crap! Turns people into…urggggghhhhhhhh. One got 20 thousand dollars and put it up his arm over 3 months and we war'd. After he ran out his schizophrenia calmed down, he became more normal and were good friends now. The other two where just outright meth heads and when they got on the stuff they got cocky and became a problem, whimps otherwise. Seriously, I hate meth, keep it green like god intended.

    • Just because you had a really bad experience doesn't mean OPs experience is in any way less of a crime than it is.

  • +2

    Like most people, you sound non-confrontational. It's good, but not working to your advantage in this situation…where your behaviour, had it been the opposite, would have actually seen some more favourable results on your end. Take for example the fact you seem fairly overloaded, pretty stressed and angered? If she's 'winning arguments' because you couldn't be bothered; or you're letting her get away with, willy-nilly confrontations of her own to surveyors and landscapers when you are/aren't home add up to plenty of "little wins". She knows what she can get away with…you're an easy defeat in her eyes, it seems.

    The updates you've provided in OP are good. The letter and potential court order are for the best. If you know you're constantly heckled by written complaints INDIRECTLY from this person from the council or other 3rd parties, then catching her on camera on your property is going to be the only thing you can use for the court order…it seems like she has plenty of time and trying to "one up" her, as satisfying as it may be in the short term, could mean a LOT more extra ammo for her to work on you/your family over the course of your stay.

    Keep a log book, take photos, use your recorded video and compile a file against her. Keep copies of letters, record conversations (if any more take place) and use it against her if and when the opportunity presents if she's becoming unbearable. Moving out may do your family some good, but is a quick and easy social defeat for her…and wow, you pray for the next neighbour.

  • -5

    Change the title of this thread: You are not being forced to do anything by anyone.

  • +1

    Moving out is actually a reasonable option. Her karma is terrible already. If you moved out imagine the super bogan ice junkie neighbors she is bound to get. They will use all the tactics as PAEz mentioned and much much more ;)

  • +2

    Nice areas become bad areas become nice areas purely dependent on your neighbor.
    The lovely old lady from next door moved out and was replaced by young trash with feral children.
    Hopefully it wont be long before they move and someone normal takes their place.
    In the meantime, the maximum height fence surrounding my property with security door at the entrance and the trees planted strategically blocking them out allows us to feel that we could be anywhere in the world and now I really dont care what goes on out there.

  • +2

    Put up the fence, go over there and scream right in her face and shut her the F up.. tell her your sick of her shit!!

    Dont move, its not easy and its costly especially when you will also need to pay stamp duty again!!

  • +1

    Mate put up the fence! Every property owner is entitled to a boundary fence (just check height regulations - in my council the height was 1.2 m for 6m back from the front boundary then 1.8m to the back boundary. I just added colourbond screening on the 1.2 toake it higher. My neighbour is also a pain in the butt and said he didn't want a front fence as it affected the street scape. I put it up and ended up paying for it myself which is perfectly legal. Good advice about stopping communication and requesting emails etc. She really sounds like a vixacious complainanant and I'm sure the council are aware now.

  • +2

    How about option 4) Grow a pair for God's sake!

    Are you acting like that in all other areas of your life? Boss tells you you have to work 20 extra every week without pay and you accept it? Mechanic says that you need super-duper-delux-hyper-fine pollen filters instead of the standard ones you replaced last month and that you need to sell your kidney for that, do you say OK?

    If you like where you live, put the stake in the ground, stay there and defend your home and your right to live there. Buy CCTV system (you can get nice hikvision cameras cheaply), record her actions, if she appears at your property (at 8:00AM or any other time), you can ask her to leave and warn her that she is on a private property without permit, that she is trespassing, do not hesitate to call police if she refuses. You do not have to talk to her at all you can have all communication from that point on in writing. Also you can put the fence without her agreement and even claim half of the reasonable cost from her (through the court if necessary). Reasonable cost means half of the cost for cheapest fence type suitable for the purpose and half of the installation cost. If you decide to go down this route get at least three written quotes for fence installation, so that you can argue what is reasonable cost at current market. If you decide to stay there your goal should be to get an AVO order against her based on continuous and ongoing harassment including all the frivolous complaint and actions she took in the past. If you have kids, you can argue that her behaviour (i.e. banging at 8:00AM on the door, shouting etc) is affecting them too, that they are becoming fearful and stressed. And of course you can use kids safety as an additional reason for putting up a fence, although in reality nobody can prevent you from reasonably fencing your property (i.e. as long as you are not putting barb wire or building 4m high walls).

    • After thinking about this a bit more, the key point here now is whether we "like" where we live anymore. It's like when your home gets robbed once, in your mind there's always a feeling that its not as safe as it used to be. Same in this case, where that crazy neighbor next door is always in the back of your mind scheming and watching. It takes a bit of time, before you get that "homely" feeling back.

      We really have to ask ourselves whether we want to live like this for the next 10-15 years? If she's really mentally unstable, what's to say its not going to get any worse? Especially in a shared driveway situation, where interaction with her is unavoidable.

      Not sure if we are in the position to move yet, but if you could why wouldn't you? Not out of principal, but just for the sake of your wife and kids? Crazy neighbors definitely takes a toll on you mentally and on your family life.

      Fence is definitely going up, there's no question about that anymore. I'll start getting quotes as soon as people comes back to work, but I don't see it being a smooth process. However, the law is on my side, so no matter what she does it's going up. It'll give us much needed privacy and that's also where it'll hurt her the most.

      Not sure what we will be doing yet, I think we'll put the fence up and let the dust settle and see.

      Thanks everyone for the support these couple of days

      • -2

        "Sorry if this comes across as a rant.." "After thinking about this a bit more..",

        You love it, all the thinking and the ranting.

      • +1

        Can you afford to move or not to move?

        Selling there and buying somewhere else will leave you with (at least) $30-50,000 out of your pocket (stamp duty, moving costs etc…).

        If you cannot afford to stay (for health, safety, stress reasons) then rent the place out, but make sure that you pick the most obnoxious tenants possible (think about large bogan family) - and let her deal with that, but rest assured she will be still complaining to council, you just need not to fire your tenants and side with them :-) . This will let you keep the property while you can rent somewhere else where you might find nicer neighbours.

        • He wants to get away from his neighbour, not have deadshit tennants destroy his rental property in 18 months.

      • The problem with moving is that you don't know what your next neighbor is going to be like, they can be worse. Just stick where you are and call the cops on her whenever shes a problem and tell them to deal with it, when the cops are at her house all the time, she will feel like a victim and keep her mouth shut, as long as you dont do anything illegal she cant do anything

      • I've got horrible neighbours on both sides - one an aggressive alcoholic, the other side bogan scum with every bad behaviour you could imagine. It's one thing having a disagreement at work or in traffic (for example), you can come home, relax and get over it, but when the problem IS at home it's a nightmare. You can never relax. I've had it for over ten years. Couldn't afford to move till now. I'll be so glad to get out and leave the dregs in this street to their own sad little lives.

  • +3

    The next time one of those free trial tampon deals shows up on Ozb, sign her up!

    Also, post a pic of your letterbox, and leave the geotag in….

  • I see a pattern here. While the bully claims to have built and lived in the same house for a long time, all 3 of her neighbours (who share the same private road) have moved out in the last 3 years. And now the 4th neighbour is seriously contemplating doing the same.

    Is it mere coincidence?

    I assume you still have the purchase contract for your house. Look up the name of the previous owners and use the White Pages to see if they're still in the area. If you're inclined, you could phone them, introduce yourself and ask if they had any problems with their previous neighbours. Given they sold you the house, they may be reluctant to admit to selling you a nightmare, but on the other hand, 3 years is a long time so they're likely to be honest about any previous issues.

    I also think you owe it to your other 2 new neighbours to "alert" them to the bully (this can be done in passing, without whinging or unnecessarily burdening them). For all you know, one of them may come back to you to whinge about the "neighbour from hell".

  • +6

    Am surprised she is divorced. She sounds like a catch.

  • +2

    I ask this question in all honesty, so no, I'm not trolling, that said, I know there will be people who disagree - that's fine. If she can get away doing what she's doing, why do you continue to let her doing that without doing anything back to her?

    Once a family I knew kept getting their house egged by neighbours who they had a dispute with and all they did was call the council and write snail mail telling them to stop. Guess what, nothing happened, the police didn't give two shits and the egging continued. One weekend, the family's son and I went to the supermarket and bought $20 worth of eggs and had a blast shelling their house.

    Obviously, it must have ticked them off because the next morning someone conveniently smashed in a few of their (my friend's family's) windows. Luckily, it was all captured on CCTV and because it was serious now, the police took action and nothing ever happened again.

    So my motto is don't let her trample over you, play the game, know how to win wars and battles and you have to be more psychological about it. What's happening now is like guerrilla warfare, with what she's doing, nobody will ever take action against her, but be smart, try to piss her off and entice her into making a mistake. Capture it, send it off and get her in trouble.

    As stupid as this sounds, it's true, letting her do these petty things and reporting them won't do anything about it. You should perhaps read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu, contrary to popular belief, wars aren't just about fighting and military strength, they're about planning, psychological struggles and being able to negotiate, resolve and understand conflict - all of which are skills which are applicable in every day life.

  • +4

    "If somebody hates you for no reason, give that m*****f****er a reason." -Sun Tzu

  • +3

    Move your mailbox back to where it was. Only this time set it up like a trap from Saw. "I want to play a game.."

  • +2

    Make sure you tell your trades to start at 630 on the dot(check your council reg) and be as loud as possible.

  • Put a fence up half a metre on your property, if its not right on the boundary she cant say anything about it as its on your land.

    • immortalbjr means put up a REALLY HIGH "screen"… She can't do anything.

  • It doesn't matter how nice you are, or how nice your neighbours are, there are some people that will complain about every little thing you do because they don't like it.

    We've had anonymous neighbours make complaints that one of us was parking a car on the road outside our house for a bit. Completely within council regulations. At one point we found a council ranger's business card in the mailbox with a note on the back to move the car. Rang the number on the card and the guy had no idea what we were talking about. We just ignored the "anonymous" neighbours passive aggressive actions and it's been fine :) Other than parking on the road, we're pretty decent neighbours. No loud late night parties etc.

    (as a note to the above, at no point did anyone actually come talk to us about it to ask that we don't park there. Obviously too scared because they knew it was unreasonable)

    As for what you should do, if she makes any more demands, just ignore them. Don't say "I'll fix it" and then don't. Just say "No, its staying the way it is". Don't do anything unless the council or police compel you to as a lawful requirement.

    • I don't understand why people would be upset about you parking your car on the road? Are there limited spots? Did one on their friends park there? :/

      • The massive inconvenience of actually having to look behind you when reversing out of the driveway onto the road. Parked car ruins that experience. God help any child or bike rider that happens to be on the road at the time.

        Maybe having to go around it when driving down the street (its exhausting having to turn the wheel dontcha know).

        This one neighbour complains about all the other ones (to me of all people) about petty crap, so we definitely know who it is that complained ;)

        • Ohhhh god LOL so its more about their crap driving skills. Maybe they should actually learn how to drive properly! :/

  • -2

    I think the police-person's advice was awesome — build a fence and send her a letter. Certainly don't consider moving out on her account.

    Having said that, I empathise with the crazy lady.

    Some speculation about the crazy lady:
    - She's had a significant relationship/family breakdown, losing her husband and three kids. That would take a toll on anyone.
    - She may have chosen that location to live because it was nice and peaceful and in touch with nature, and suddenly her neighbour is doing noisy/messy/destructive renovations, potentially erecting a fence, noisy newborn, and having visitors.

  • -1

    I vote for Bikies

  • +4

    But don't you have to consult with the neighbor about the fence so they pay 1/2.
    I got out of paying for 1/2 a fence because I didn't get consulted it just went up. Now I have a multicultural fence on all sides lol. But free fencing woot.

    • I love your positive thinking process buddy!

    • whats a multicultural fence?

      • +1

        A different type of fence on each of 3 possible sides

        • Yep what he said

  • Hey there… I can appreciate your situation. I guess first thing, though you may get some personal enjoyment out of it, in the long run putting the fence up just to spite her won't obviously win any brownie points.
    My advice, though it may contradict many others on here, would be to go over to there front door one night & in the calmest way possible attempt to talk it out & reinstate in the process how you've been good neighbours to each other for X number of years/months without any incident & that all you wish to do is keep the peace for the benefit off all. Whatever you do don't criticize (Irrelevant of how tempting) as that will just aggravate the other party and get you nowhere. In the end you need take a neutral stance when talking (Though challenging) & keep focused of the ultimate objective of fixing the issues. That being said, it may be too far gone to attempt this. selling up JUST because of them seems ridiculously unfair to you, because ultimately you are going to be out of pocket quite alot of money in Stamp duty, moving costs, new school for kids potentially, etc etc. Also, in regards to getting half the money from them for the fence.. That will be challenging.. And again, further aggravate the situation.

    Feel for you & really hope things work out.

    Happy New Year btw.. I hope you can sort this problematic neighbour out & be in a much happier place emotionally in the next coming months.

  • +1

    I want an update! Haha
    This caught my interest. Would love to see how it's going

    Hate people like your neighbor

  • Just read this about recording conversations with your neighbour. In the case mentioned it is about verbal abuse, but could still come in handy if she comes on your property to complain and may deter her if she is being recorded every time, she would then have to be very careful what she says. All you have to do is state loudly at the start of the recording that, "I am now recording you." Because you warn her, the recording can be used in evidence, for example an AVO.

    http://www.domain.com.au/news/how-to-silence-an-abusive-neig…

  • Get some rope with a grappling hook on it, tie the rope to your towball, grappling hook onto her roof and rip the old farts gutter off. Midnight job of course. In all seriousness, you need to get loose with her and show her how much as a nasty person you can be and that its up to her as to which one she wants to have living next to her. Turn her water off at night, herbicide some of her plants, buy some chickens (or a rooster) and put the cage near the fence = rats. Shes obviously watching you so make it work for you- get some surveyors pegs and hammer heaps of them into your front yard. Her head will be spinning. Plant some weed in her yard then advise the police cars come and go from her house alot and that maybe shes dealing… hit her hard brother.

  • +1

    I randomly stumbled upon this thread.
    So.. 2 years on, what's happened? Any updates? I'm intrigued

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