Baby in 6 Months - Where to Save Cash?

konazz on 05/01/2016 - 14:32
Last edited 05/01/2016 - 16:25

My wife is due with our first late June 2016… so hoping for some ideas on where to save, or not to spend ridiculous cash. Plan is to have the nursery done a few months before, so we don't have to rush… i'm sure it'll end up being done a week out.

Firstly.. it seems we have some non-negotiables (don't argue with a pregnant wife):

  • Pram is to be a Bugaboo Cameleon 3. Can be used/2nd hand, but with Baby Kingdom's current price @ $1240 and most going on Gumtree for about $900 + $50 to get it professionally cleaned, I'd rather spend the extra $350 and get 3 years warranty on a new one. It also looks like the in-laws are happy to buy it for us, so we have that going for us.
  • Capsule - wife won't let me rent one :( nor buy 2nd hand… as she doesn't trust whether its been an accident. Probably going to get a Maxi Cosi Mico AP. Will get Bugaboo adapters from Gumtree, as there's heaps of them. I can justify the $400 cost, as we'll be having a second in a few years. Renting is about $160/4-6 months in Canberra.
  • Need a rocking or sliding chair… haven't done any research, can be probably 2nd hand.

So… give me ideas on what to look for.

So far:

  • We cleaned out the recent Bonds outlet sale at DFO, and picked up heaps of baby clothes between $4-$12. Everything from 0000 to 0
  • We got a free cot from my mother inlaw's work. Solid timber, so I'm picking it up next weekend from Sydney and will strip it back and repaint and fill in any bites.
  • Got a second hand bassinet from my wife's work classifieds - just need to go to clark rubber and have a new mattress cut for it
  • Bought $600 of reusable diapers - cost, environment and general coolness. We're not fussed by bodily fluids (trust me - our ducks in our yard stink much worse!). Grandparents will get disposables though.
  • Got a free kids hiking backpack hand me down
  • Free baby monitor hand me down as well

Plan for the future:

  • hoping to pick up a baby change table/bath tomorrow from Gumtree for $70; In target they're $160-$170. If that falls through, I'll pick up a timber one, and strip/sand/stain or paint.
  • Not getting chest of drawers or anything.. we're going to convert the huge 3 door built in wardrobe using Cabinets on Demand into exactly what we want: toy space, lots of drawers and small hanging space. At the moment, there's an Ikea 4x4 box cabinet thing, but heaps of wasted space.
  • going to the next buy/swap/sell for kids clothing in Canberra and I think there might be some in Sydney as well and stock up on more clothes.
  • buy a cheap, plastic baby chair, that I can take out into the yard or bath and hose off. Wife wants one of those $300+ seats, but i told her she'll be hand sponging it after every meal with a toothbrush for the little cracks.
  • Unisex clothing… easier to use again

What do others recommend getting… so i can keep an eye out for sales or trawl gumtree/classifieds?

Baby isn't going to any childcare for the first 12-18 months, so will be with mum for the first 12 months, then grandparents after.

REVISIONS: things you guys mention that I need to remember about:
- disposables… i assume that means baby powder, shampoo, wet wipes, dry wipes
- safety proofing… cabinet locks, gates (already have some from when we got a puppy), power point covers
- baby safe paint
- bin for 'stinkies'
- Ikea highchair is LOCKED in!
- Look at MYER/Best'N'Less for 'quality' generic baby clothes
- Get a baby carrier: easier to shop with

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Comments

  • tomleonhart on 05/01/2016 - 14:40
    +2

    I think you're on the right track, I find people tend to throw out baby stuff quite quickly as soon as their baby don't need it anymore. Let's face it, you'd need new stuff every 6 months as these little creatures can grow quickly and they change all the time.

    I agree you should just invest in a baby chair/capsules !

    Keep up the good work!

    P/S: Baby and "saving cash" don't go in a same sentence!

    • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 14:53

      Yeah I know. but the way i see it - the more we save now - the longer wife can stay at home (we've already done the calcs, and its only going to cost us $300/week in cash for her to stay at home… we've been purchasing leave for 2 years + 12 weeks work PPL + 18 weeks centrelink PPL + my wife's work lets her use 2 weeks of sick leave.. pretty much going to take it at half pay for nearly 60 weeks).

      • Qkumber on 06/01/2016 - 16:27
        +2

        There are changes to the federal gov PPL coming in on 1/7/16. You will have to choose between the PPL offered by your work and the federal gov PPL. You cannot claim both after this date. If you can start the federal gov PPL before 30/6/16 that's ok you can still do both provided you can start the fed gov PPl before your work PPL.

        At my work I have to take my work PPL first before the federal gov PPL. If your work also requires their PPL to be taken first this will push you over the 1/7/16 date. This needs to be considered as you may need to make a choice between which option is better for your situation. Fortunately for me I'm due in Feb and can complete my 14 weeks work PPL and start the federal gov PPL before 1/7/16.

        • bluedufflecoat on 11/01/2016 - 09:27

          Wow, I didn't know you have to choose between Govt PPL and work PPL. They are completely different things!

          The former is 18 weeks @ minimum wage and the latter is usually ~ 8 weeks, full pay. Both taxable.

          Glad I already had my 2 kids. Getting both was very helpful. Now one and not the other, is a major setback! :/

    • parker2004au on 05/01/2016 - 15:20
      +3

      I find people tend to throw out baby stuff quite quickly as soon as their baby don't need it anymore.

      Exactly.

      I got my boy due in late Jan, and I found a great place is Facebook and then a local classified page/community, you do get the odd random thing like jewelry or old gaming systems but most of it is baby stuff. Picked up a few items such as a bassinet for $30 (person just wanted to get rid of it for space) and it's a perfect condition. Also got glider chair fairly cheap and in good working condition. Heaps of goodies if have Facebook and a bit of time before the bub is born.

      We took second hand clothes from family/friends.

      Just wash everything obviously :)

      edit: Also Kmart has a heck of a lot of cheap stuff. We got a bath for $15 and pram rain covers for $8 or so compared to $30+ in specialty stores

  • chickentaste on 05/01/2016 - 14:50
    +4

    A couple of suggestions:

    • Buy baby clothes in bulk from ebay.. we got about 10kg of assorted sizes for about bucks. Throw away the crappy stuff and you still come out way, way ahead. Your kid is just going to throw up all over them and grow out of them in 3 weeks anyway.
    • Good call with the cot, we did the same.
    • You don't need a basssinet, just stick bub in the baby capsule
    • Keep an eye on Big W/K-Mart for silly deals on disposables and stock up.
    • Ignore anyone who says you need to buy baby food from a supermarket. It's just pureed mush; carrots, rice porridge, etc. It's easy to make, I can't understand why anyone buys little expensive jars of the stuff.
    • Hit up EVERYONE you know about secondhand baby stuff.. we had some many of our neighbours, half of whom we never really spoke to very much, pass on all kinds of useful stuff. Reciprocate by bringing bub around so they can all coo over him/her.

    Sorry but the expensive pram is a colossal waste of money. And buying a capsule is equally silly.. most of the rentals end up being safer anyway as they're professionally fitted by people working for safety/first aid charities (at least in QLD). If you must buy one get a Choice magazine subscription and look at which ones they recommend.

    If there's one thing I learned in having two kids: 99% of the stuff you think you need is marketing, doesn't make your life any easier and fills you with regret 2 years later when you realise how much money you wasted. The only thing your kid needs is some love, patience and for you to spend as much time with them as possible.

    • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 14:59

      The bulk baby clothes idea is good. Our neighbours did that - some of the target stuff hadn't been touched; there were even Polo Ralph Lauren stuff in there. They do something similar in Canberra, where you simply pay $10 entry fee (to the charity organising it) and its $15/plastic bag… you choose what you want. Then, you can trade - for every bag you provide (has to be in top condition… they check everything) - you get to pick up a bag on the trading day.

      Bassinet already purchased - one of those fisher price ones that moves and has a mobile… $50

      Ahhh yes - disposables!

      We have a nutribullet + top of the line Kenwood chef to make food at home (also both neighbours have thermomixes we could borrow: one is rep).

      We can't hit up many people for 2nd hand stuff in our families: we're both the eldest in our families and our communities; and our neighbours all have <2 year olds still… so nothing coming from them.

      Like i said: pram is non-negotiable: happy wife happy life! Yes… I've got the choice membership! And i'm trying to keep away from buying half of baby bunting… just the basics. Most decent places will install the capsule base for you

    • Lord Fart Bucket on 05/01/2016 - 15:00
      +2

      most of the rentals end up being safer anyway as they're professionally fitted by people

      Have toi disagree here:
      1. Fitting is a piece of cake.
      2. I know knew someone that had a car accident with a rented capsule. Returned the capsule, knowing it has been in an accident, cause he wanted his bond back. You DON'T know what has happened with something you rent. And these things are like bike helmets. If it's compromised… throw it out.

      • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 15:36
        +2

        ^ that is EXACTLY the reason my wife doesn't want to hire a capsule. Our neighbours even gave us a Britax 0-4 car seat, but she wants the capsule wants it brand new.

    • MATTDAMON on 07/01/2016 - 14:28

      Dont throw out the crappy clothes etc, keep them as rags for in the garage/cleaning etc

    • Make it so on 11/01/2016 - 17:40

      Need to be careful buying baby cloths from dodgy sources, as the fabric may not be fire retardant, and it may have been made with chemicals which are not considered safe in Australia.
      But you are right - baby cloths are used for a very short time only.

  • Looking4Bargians on 05/01/2016 - 14:52

    If in SouthEast Melbourne. i can give you Baby Bath Tub & Stand cheap. My kids don't need that anymore. PM Please

    • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 14:54

      Sorry Ozyboy… strictly ACT and Sydney - I don't consort with Mexicans! (kidding!)

  • Lord Fart Bucket on 05/01/2016 - 14:55
    +3

    First, congrats.

    Some hints and tips from experience:
    Stay away from any shop starting with "baby". Everything you find there is overpriced.
    I found a lot of things were sold at target, kmart, bigw, etc for a lot less. Safety proofing the house can be done with things from ikea or bunnings (both of these sell the normal range of child proofing stuff).

    Huggies = OVERPRICED. Find another one you're happy with and use that. Keep your eye out for specials on nappies and bulk buy, make sure you keep in mind that babies grow, so don't just buy the smallest size.
    Find/make friends with kids older than yours and be grateful for the hand-downs.

    The only things i have not been stingy on: shoes and a baby capsule/car seat.

    I'll pick up a timber one, and strip/sand/stain or paint.

    Kids roll over and put their hands everywhere, then in their mouth. While the chance would be very small, make sure the paint is a bit safe.

    • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 15:04

      Thanks :)

      I Don't mind Baby Kingdom - can't find bugaboo cheaper anywhere!

      Dammit… forgot about safety proofing. and need to add disposables to the list now.

      • Lord Fart Bucket on 05/01/2016 - 15:28
        +1

        My baby warehouse went into administration last month i think… see if the store is still open and see if you can strike a deal on the pram you're after.

        And wipes can be purchased from coles, $10 for 6*80.

        And baby bunting pricematch a mortar store.

        • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 15:36

          Yeah. I was going to get BB to pricematch BK as we're in Canberra. BK is about $60 cheaper on the Bugaboo at till the end of January.

  • nivag01 on 05/01/2016 - 15:14

    We are due our first child in May.

    I know you have bought cloth nappies already but imagine how many disposable nappies that would have paid for! and then you have to pay for water and washing powder to wash them.

    Instead of baby capsule buy 0-4 Car seat. A capsule only last 6-12 months and then you have to buy a seat anyway.

    • ESEMCE on 05/01/2016 - 15:31
      +3

      Nah, Capsule is worth every cent.. So easy to transport a sleeping child without disturbing them!
      Capsule for as long as possible!

  • Edsanwong on 05/01/2016 - 15:23
    +2

    Be careful with the paint. Make sure it is safe for baby.

  • ESEMCE on 05/01/2016 - 15:29
    +3

    I don't understand the pram choice. You have to completely disassemble the pram to fold it up! (imagine doing that in the rain, or in the blazing sun)
    And they charge you an arm and a leg for each component too!
    If you're getting a capsule anyway, try to get the pram with no bassinet.. You can just use the capsule as a "bassinet" for walks. You only need the bassinet for a couple of months anyway.
    The handle looks REALLY short. If you're a tallish person, you'll hate pushing it cause your feet will keep clipping the rear axle unless you shorten your stride and "canter".
    Highly recommend the 4 wheel choice though. 3 wheels are so unstable especially when hopping kerbs.
    We settled on the City Mini.. it's compact (has a 3 wheel configuration, but the double front wheel makes a big difference to stability), light, folds up in a snap and unfolds like the pram on the Camry Ad (pop!) and is relatively cheap.

    Good decision on the Capsule.
    We rented the first time and I regret it now. We bought a $400 capsule for the second, so the hire cost from the first time could have paid for a third of the price of a capsule!

    I'd tell you not to buy clothes but you have already.. Don't buy any more! You'll get squillions of them as gifts!

    We had resusable nappies for the first, but my wife decided against them for the second. Too much washing!
    You'll need a bucket with lid to store used nappies. Man they stink after only a few hours!

    Bin with lid for disposable nappies/wipes.

    Towels for burping and mopping up spew.

    Maybe breast pump and bottles? - My wife would express and then we'd both have a beer while I fed the baby.. Pretty cool to be involved like that and it let her relax a bit.

    Finally, don't forget the coffee machine for surviving days on 4 hours of broken sleep and Netflix subscription for entertainment during middle of the night feeds and all the nights at home you will be having for the next 5 years!

    • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 15:47

      Yeah. Both our neighbours swear by the BJ City Select. One has the newer dual wheel at the front.

      I'm 187cm, and the Bugaboo has an extendable reach which I love, and then i can adjust the angle of the whole bar. I find on the highest setting, its just a tad too high.

      I think we might get one as a second pram for Sydney/Grandparents, as they're cheap enough. Even a used one will do the trick - we go to Sydney every fortnight (me for work, wife to see family/friends) - we've been doing it for 7 years now.

      It comes with a Bassinet already… i like the extra stand you can get, so you can just carry in the bassinet to friends house, rather than the whole pram. The stand also lets the seat click in, and you can use it as a high chair later on when you're out and about. I'm designing a new drawer system in our 4WD, that will take the pram, the stand, and a slide out change table… using the cavity created by the fridge slide. We also travel a lot, and have a dog, so its going to be fun going away with baby…

      Adding:
      towels and bins

      (mother in law already got the missus a breast pump… she's an ex-midwife and she gets all sort of random 'samples' through work as a child psychologist for the Government… she develops programs for parents and kids).

      Yes we have 2 coffee machines + and I'm keeping my INternode NBN connection, as they're grandfather Netflix on Freezone.

    • bluedufflecoat on 11/01/2016 - 09:43

      I binge-watched House of Cards while I was on maternity leave with my 2nd. Netflix all the way! :D

  • SuperC on 05/01/2016 - 15:30
    +2

    Best high chair is the Ikea one. Antilop high chair with tray for $29, also need the cushion for $10. The cushion is blow up and the fabric can be removed and washed, the high chair itself is all plastic and can be hosed in the backyard. I do this all the time after my 6 month old eats various fruit. The other advantage is most restaurants use the same chair, so good idea to get the baby used to it. Congratulations by the way. Also look into getting a plastic mat, we use an office chair mat, makes cleaning up easier as that can be hosed as well.

    • ESEMCE on 05/01/2016 - 15:32

      Hate the Ikea Antilop.. I constantly trip over the stick out legs at Grandma's house!

    • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 15:48

      Nice. Will check it out, as I need to get some other random Ikea crap for my office.

    • [Deactivated] on 09/01/2016 - 18:14

      Only get hard plastic chairs (like ikea,bigw sell) those padded ones are hard to clean & unhygenic.

      Aldi nappies, wipes, etc work just as well as the branded ones.

      90% of the crap you buy/receive will get shoved in the cupboard. Babies don't have credit cards, so 90% of baby products are aimed at (guilty) parents. If you can borrow things first (rockers, prams, jolly jumpers, cots, etc) or even get them at the op shop to see if it actually suits your bub & you.

      When you trvael by plane, under 2yo not only travel free, they get to checkin cot, pram, car seat, etc free. Get a big pram bag & shove nappies etc in with the pram.

  • saxlady on 05/01/2016 - 15:34
    +1

    Congrats

    Look up EC (elimination communication). Requires a fair bit of commitment but if your wife is on board is fabulous. You'll save money and time washing the nappies and you'll have to deal with nappies for considerably less than the average amount of time kids spend in nappies.
    Did EC with Child number 1 full time, she was out of nappies at around 11 months, with a couple of accidents every week, fully reliable by about 15 months, Child 2 out of nappies by 14 months, fully reliable by 18 months, child 3 out of nappies by 16 months, fully reliable by 18 months, child 4 out of nappies by 20 months, fully reliable by 22 months. As you can see, the more kids we had, the less time we had for focussing on EC once a new one came along so the longer it took. Child 4 was pretty much part time and I didn't really even start until he was 4 months old.
    It takes effort but worth it, and is less hassle in the long run.

    The other suggestion I'd have is don't worry about rice powder, baby food etc. Just breastfeed (cheap, easy, convenient) and let the kid pick at food on your plate after 6 months. A good saying I heard was "food is for fun, until they are one". A one year old can eat very similar to you, will be used to it and you won't have to worry about purees etc.

    • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 15:52
      +1

      Interesting on EC. I'm sure my MIL would love trying it out… i will refer to her soon as super nanny!

      Wife plans to breast feed as long as possible and expose to normal food and spices… and hell - even dirt… like we were as kids

  • Shoppingisfun on 05/01/2016 - 15:37

    Congratulations!!
    Try to resist buying too many cute tiny baby clothes eg. little jeans or dresses as a) they grow out of them really quickly and b) you may find that the baby lives just in little jump suits. Also c) you will likely get given some little outfits when the baby is born.
    You literally only need a couple of jumpsuits in 0000…they are only in them for a couple of weeks…some babies even go straight into 000. In any case, they stay in 00 and 0 for a lot longer so you'll need more of those.
    Good luck, exciting times ahead!

    • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 15:50
      +1

      Yeah - they'll have 3 'outside' outfits… then its back into Bonds or Target onesies.

  • TransportPosters on 05/01/2016 - 15:39

    Congrats on the new addition to your family!

    Pram is to be a Bugaboo Cameleon 3. Can be used/2nd hand, but with Baby Kingdom's current price @ $1240 and most going on Gumtree for about $900 + $50 to get it professionally cleaned, I'd rather spend the extra $350 and get 3 years warranty on a new one. It also looks like the in-laws are happy to buy it for us, so we have that going for us.

    Think about all the abuse the pram is going to go through. It's going to get scratched the day after you buy it, the wheels are gonna get worn quickly, they'll be crumbs and blueberry stains on it a week later and something will always break a few months later. Don't spend so much on an amazing pram. We went with a used Perego Book pram and it has been incredibly reliable. It was sold to us with crumbs and stains and we cleaned it up ourselves.

    Capsule - wife won't let me rent one :( nor buy 2nd hand… as she doesn't trust whether its been an accident. Probably going to get a Maxi Cosi Mico AP. Will get Bugaboo adapters from Gumtree, as there's heaps of them. I can justify the $400 cost, as we'll be having a second in a few years. Renting is about $160/4-6 months in Canberra.

    Although you're looking for a new one, find someone that is selling two used ones if possible, one for each vehicle, so you don't have to keep swapping them (a hassle after a while). Check they are relatively new and show no signs of an accident.

    Need a rocking or sliding chair… haven't done any research, can be probably 2nd hand.
    So… give me ideas on what to look for.

    We stressed out about wanting a rocking chair also, for feeding the baby, and in the end after months of not having one it seemed like such a silly idea in retrospect. The baby wants to be fed in so many areas of the house and the mother and father will want to do things in this time-poor world that using a rocking chair was impractical.

    We cleaned out the recent Bonds outlet sale at DFO, and picked up heaps of baby clothes between $4-$12. Everything from 0000 to 0

    Good move, don't buy too much stuff coz they tend to grow fast and you'll become another person selling bulk new baby clothes on eBay and Gumtree!

    We got a free cot from my mother inlaw's work. Solid timber, so I'm picking it up next weekend from Sydney and will strip it back and repaint and fill in any bites.

    Nice work, that should go well. How's it put together? If it's allan keys then make sure you tighten it every few months or things start becoming a problem.

    Got a second hand bassinet from my wife's work classifieds - just need to go to clark rubber and have a new mattress cut for it

    Nice work again, does it rock? Make sure it's always "locked" so it won't rock when you're not supervising the bay in it.

    Bought $600 of reusable diapers - cost, environment and general coolness. We're not fussed by bodily fluids (trust me - our ducks in our yard stink much worse!). Grandparents will get disposables though.

    I admire those using reusables. I wanted to as well but my wife doesn't want any of it.

    Got a free kids hiking backpack hand me down

    Excellent. Someone got us one from the ridiculously-overpriced Kathmandu store and the best thing about it is that it folds up into this little ball when not needed.

    Free baby monitor hand me down as well

    If it has a little "running light" on the camera, put something over it to hide the light, or the baby can get distracted and get curious about it.

    Plan for the future:

    hoping to pick up a baby change table/bath tomorrow from Gumtree for $70; In target they're $160-$170. If that falls through, I'll pick up a timber one, and strip/sand/stain or paint.

    Watch out for these because if it's held togather by allan keys then you'll need to tighten them up every few months. If you slack off then the MDF board or whatever under the mattress will droop and cause more of a problem in getting it back up and aligned with the slit it goes into.

    Not getting chest of drawers or anything.. we're going to convert the huge 3 door built in wardrobe using Cabinets on Demand into exactly what we want: toy space, lots of drawers and small hanging space. At the moment, there's an Ikea 4x4 box cabinet thing, but heaps of wasted space.

    Nice work. We recently bought a massive tallboy for our daughter for $200 assembled and delivered. Best price compared to Harvey Norman who wanted at least $690 for something smaller.

    going to the next buy/swap/sell for kids clothing in Canberra and I think there might be some in Sydney as well and stock up on more clothes.

    Sounds good, get your haggling skills ready!

    buy a cheap, plastic baby chair, that I can take out into the yard or bath and hose off. Wife wants one of those $300+ seats, but i told her she'll be hand sponging it after every meal with a toothbrush for the little cracks.

    What do others recommend getting… so i can keep an eye out for sales or trawl gumtree/classifieds?

    Is this a highchair? Ikea sell one for $15 or so and it gets covered in so much crap after almost each meal, and wipes down nice and clean again. After two years, it seriously still looks like new and all we use it water and a wipe, the occasional spray once a week.

    >

    Baby isn't going to any childcare for the first 12-18 months, so will be with mum for the first 12 months, then grandparents after.

    REVISIONS: things you guys mention that I need to remember about:
    - disposables… i assume that means baby powder, shampoo, wet wipes, dry wipes
    - safety proofing… cabinet locks, gates (already have some from when we got a puppy)

    Buy a pack of electrical blanking plugs for the mains sockets from a discount shop or 99 cents from China (get them at least a month before you need them) and also look on eBay for Chinese-supplied cupboard locks. I got the stick-on plastic ones which work fantastic. Also get safety pads for the bath as the kid will eventually run around and slip on its little ass. I found that eBay again (and an Aussie seller, rather than Chinese seller) was far cheaper than discount stores and Big W, etc.

    As the kid gets to about a year to 18 months you'll need to start moving things higher up and covering up lower stuff with panels or mesh. Framed photos will have to go up high and rethink what you keep on the coffee table and stuff. Always keep remote controls stored up high when not in use so you don't lose them somewhere where the kid can't remember or tell you.

    Etc…

  • ItsMeAgro on 05/01/2016 - 15:43
    +3

    Firstly, $1500 prams offer only very minor, unimportant benefits - like convenience and style - over more sensible $300-or-less prams.

    A cheap Target/BigW/Whatever pram is very convenient, comfortable and safe for baby. It's just not a status symbol.

    We had an expensive pram for the first kid, and it didn't fold well and was too heavy. We bought one for $80 that was much better.

    Those crazy-priced prams became a thing once clever marketers realised that a nervous and naive first-time parent can be scared into wasting ridiculous amounts of money because they want "the best" for their kid (you can't skimp on this! it's your BABY!!!*Y&!). Like weddings.

    • JimB on 05/01/2016 - 15:57

      I beg to differ….

      I wouldn't call convenience unimportant.

      We had a cheap Baby Jogger pram for the 1st kid, a Bugaboo pram for the 2nd….. expensive, but worth every cent. Our only regret is that we didn't get one for our first child.

      Just as I won't convince you that a Bugaboo pram is worth it, you shouldn't expect people who have made up their mind to get one that they aren't.

      • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 16:05

        We've had 3 friends say they love their Bugaboos… 2 of them are onto their second baby, and have bought Bugaboos for number 2.

        Its our first - so anytihng to make life easier (the whole click the capsule into it, go for a walk on the beach or the trail behind our place etc.)

      • ESEMCE on 05/01/2016 - 16:06

        Why was it better?
        I look at them and think, "they look nice" but then I see how much effort is required to use them, and think "am I just paying for the looks?"

        • JimB on 05/01/2016 - 16:11

          I was unconvinced initially also, however try pushing a Bugaboo up a hill, or maneuver it around a supermarket, they turn very well and are easy to push.

          The same can't be said for a cheaper one. I've had both so I feel I have a well informed opinion. YMMV.

        • ESEMCE on 05/01/2016 - 16:23
          +3

          @JB1:
          Can't imagine it being any easier to push uphill (especially considering the extra weight 9.6kg vs 7.5Kg) than the City Mini which glides beautifully on the flat (no hills here I live).
          easy to push,
          lifting weight
          folded size
          ease of folding and erecting
          Ease of clipping in kids

          are the 5 "needs" for a pram, everything else is fluff.

        • JimB on 05/01/2016 - 17:02

          @scubacoles:

          Incidentally, we also have a Baby Jogger City Mini.

          While the City Mini is much smaller and slightly lighter, I can confirm the Bugaboo is much much easier to push around.

          You just have to try it out to believe me.

          I will say the City Mini is much easier to fold/unfold.

        • Lord Fart Bucket on 05/01/2016 - 17:13

          @JB1:

          And those 5 things were all ticked by the combi pram we bought

        • ESEMCE on 06/01/2016 - 08:36

          @JB1:
          Fair enough.

  • ItsMeAgro on 05/01/2016 - 15:45
    +2

    Bought $600 of reusable diapers

    Er, you might regret that…

    • tomleonhart on 05/01/2016 - 15:48

      LOL. My mum always tells me how she raised 2 of us up using only reusable diapers (aka muslin cloth).

      Still dont know how they do it. I'll die without the one off diaper ! And yes the environment dies with us !

    • ItsMeAgro on 05/01/2016 - 15:58
      +1

      To elaborate a bit:

      Cloth diapers are much worse for baby than good disposables, because with disposeables, the urine is absorbed and not sitting wet against babies skin. As a result, baby sleeps better/longer and has fewer rashes and itching/pain, especially in the first few months where they wee tiny amounts over ten times a day.

      All the most enviro hippy earth-mothers I know switched to Huggies in the first week.

      Not to mention that you could keep the kid in quality disposables until they are three for six hundred bucks. Crikey…

      • ESEMCE on 05/01/2016 - 16:08

        This is a great theory is you keep baby in the wet nappy for the same time as a wet disposable.
        Rubbish theory if you change the nappy when they get uncomfortable.
        $600 of nappies is a LOT of nappies even for reusables!
        I think we spent $180 and managed perfectly fine (disposable for night sleep, reusables for the day.

      • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 16:12

        Not sure…
        At costco, the Kirlands brand are about $50 per 160-180 (depending on the size). So thats at best 27c per diaper. My reading says that babies will use about 8 per day. So $2.16/day… breakdown $600 by $2.16 is about 277 days or 9 months until we break even. Ok add a bit of electricity (although wife will be at home, so we can use our solar power to spin the machine, solar hot water to heat water and our tank water to wash them)… so lets put it out to a year for extra costs. I still think its better.

        Also, the newer style nappies have absorbent liners seperate to the nappy + booster inserts for overnight or when they get bigger. We've had a few of our neighbours swear by them, and watched how easy it is.

        We're kinda interested also in the environment, as we buy our meat from a free-range farm in the Hunter Valley (it gets shipped to us), have our own ducks and chooks for eggs. my wife is an environmental scientist and i work sometimes in agri-business.

        • dp1 on 06/01/2016 - 12:50
          +1

          If breastfeeding you will be lucky to get away with fewer than 12 nappy changes a day for the first 6 to 8 weeks, down to 5 a day by 12 months old. I once got through 22 in 24 hours (hourly or more frequent feeds with a growth spurt so one explosive poo for each feed). Cloth nappies thankfully, bought 18 Bumgenius from the US for just over $400 delivered. The outer covers fell apart after one child but the inserts are being used again with new $4 covers from aliexpress. If you have a similar style of nappy I suggest buying more inserts than covers because they take longer to dry (I am using 18 covers and 25 inserts currently).
          Re:the nappy rash comments - reusables have to be 'stripped' regularly or washing powder builds up in then, which reacts with urine to produce ammonia gas causing the chemical burn of nappy rash. I didn't know this with my first child so she had a lot of problems with it but the 2nd and 3rd have been fine, never even opened the samples of creams I got in Bounty bags

      • Hellfire on 05/01/2016 - 16:47

        We used non-disposables with both ours and never had any of the issues you describe. In fact they both had almost no nappy rash at all until they were forced to wear disposables in child care. I put it down to them breathing better.

        It is hard to stick to them because of all the extra mess but more than makes up for it in the long run if you are having more than 1 baby. 600 is a little over the top though.

        • konazz on 06/01/2016 - 14:49

          My wife wanted all the colours.

          I think we have about 26 covers and 30+ inserts
          http://www.greenkids.com.au/store/pc/Home.asp

          That included also wash bags, storage stuff etc.

        • dp1 on 08/01/2016 - 09:26

          From experience can I suggest you get some button fastening covers as well as velcro. The velcro clogs up with fluff after a few washes and babies can undo it as it loses its grip due to said fluff

        • Hellfire on 08/01/2016 - 09:38

          Most of our covers lasted through 2 babies without any problems with the velcro. I suggest you attach the velcro when washing as this will keep it from sticking to anything else.

  • JimB on 05/01/2016 - 15:50
    +1

    Congrats… Babies are expensive.

    Bugaboo prams are a rip off. That said, they are fantastic once you get over the price. I'm hoping to sell our one after the baby grows out of it, you'll be able to sell it for a decent price. I don't regret buying it.

    Don't worry about getting a bassinet, not essential.

    Baby chair, Ikea ones are sturdy and do the job, they are like $30 new. We have an excellent one, probably $400, but got it for free.

    Nappies, I could deal with washing after #1s, but not #2s. If you get sick of washable ones, Huggies nappies are excellent, no doubt. Not that expensive when on sale, i.e. $24 a box. Then you have Babylove, Aldi etc, they are good but not as good as Huggies.

    Rocking chair, Ikea have a cheap good one.. paid about $100 on sale.

    Baby clothes… Bonds aren't very good quality. Myer has decent clothes and can be cheap when on sale, i.e. their Sprout brand. Check out Best and Less, I find that their clothes are good quality (better than Bonds) it's a bonus that they are so cheap. Kmart and Target clothes can also be good quality.

    re: Clothes, make sure you buy 100% cotton clothes, less chance of irritation.

    Can't give you any advice on 2nd hand clothing as my wife refuses to buy them (but will accept them from people we know).

    Good luck, you're on the right track.

    • ItsMeAgro on 05/01/2016 - 15:53

      Baby chair, Ikea ones are sturdy and do the job, they are like $30 new

      This x 1000. The pricey ones are designed by people who've never had to clean one. Food gets stuck in all the little bits you can't reach a wipe into properly. The Ikea one is solid and very easy to clean. In fact, when you need a new tray, it can be bought separately for like 5 bucks.

      • JimB on 05/01/2016 - 16:00

        We have an expensive baby chair, not difficult to clean, but doesn't offer any real benefit over a cheap Ikea.

        However as mentioned above, a Bugaboo pram is worth it over a cheap pram.

  • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 16:02

    I know a lot of you guys are "OMG $1250 for a Bugaboo"… but my wife loves it AND her parents are buying it. These are people who fly to London business class, take the family (including 3 x daughter's boyfriends/husbands) to Bali, Gold Coast, south Coast etc. and don't like commuting the 35 mins back home after the opera, so stay at the Shangri-La in Sydney for the night.

    I'm still tempted to source a second hand one, and ask them for the cash difference, but it ain't gonna happen…

    • JimB on 05/01/2016 - 16:13
      +1

      If they are paying for it and obviously have the means to pay for it, get a new one.

      It would be in poor taste to take advantage of their generosity and make money from them.

    • Matt P on 05/01/2016 - 16:32

      i was going to be one of those people saying a bugaboo is overpriced but heck, if they're throwing cash away then let em. They'll just have to buy 1 less ivory backscratcher

      Being a male i generally get ignored at baby stores so i spend my time profiling other people, its humorous to see who looks at what prams. The baby-bonus trash buying the cheapest thing they can get their hands on, mostly young asian couples buying bugaboos and most other people trying to land somewhere in the middle so they don't offend the salesperson who is trying on the "you'll get lots of use out of it when you have your other 15 kids".

      Hit up friends who have had kids recently for handmedown clothes. You don't have to use all of them (and it will quickly become obvious which ones were the mums favourite) but there will be tonnes of outfits that got 0-1 use and ended up back in the drawer never to be worn again.

      • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 16:38

        Ha. Yeah - there was no upsell for us! We walked in and said "where are your bugaboos… we're here to decide on colours". They were a bit cranky, when I was looking in the back corner of Baby Bunting where they sell discontinued stuff for less than half price.

        Nah, the in-laws aren't like that. Live in Western Sydney, my FIL bought his first decent car last year (base model Mazda6) as a retirement present… drove a 3-door base model Echo into the ground, then a used Corolla. They spend it on 'life' and spoiling their daughters, not on material stuff i guess. The only reason they fly business, is because he flies first to Edinburgh for work and has a ridiculous amount of points + decent salary (could pay off our house in a year), and can't be bothered slumming at 65 years old when they don't have to.

        As the favourite/only son-in-law, I get the best presents: a few birthdays ago, got pit lane tickets and VIP for the first Top Gear Spectacular at Eastern Creek.

        • Matt P on 05/01/2016 - 16:43

          I dont understand why someone with that sort of salary would drive an echo into the ground. I understand people dont necessarily need the latest and greatest but heck, update every 3-5 years to a newish car just for the improvements in safety. You can't enjoy your cash/family/life if you're seriously injured or killed in a car accident.

          I remember a client of mine who used to cheap out like that on cars. Bought a late model kia 4wd (back before they started getting good). Was sideswiped on the freeway, ended up losing her job as she wasn't able to do her duties and ended up in a mental ward as a result of the stress over the injuries. If she had bought the new Kluger/etc.. i recommended to her (5* cars vs the 2* one she bought), she wouldn't have ended up even in hospital as a result of the accident

        • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 16:49

          @Matt P:
          Seriously.. don't even go there. In-laws and car choices just don't mix… at least FIL has stuck to Japanese brands. Most of the money back then went to 3 sets of expensive school fees. its only now that the last one has moved out, that they're spending the cash on themselves.

          I spent days shopping for a new car for my MIL, kept to the good brands, met 90% of her criteria, did all the test drives… she ended up getting a f-ing Peugeot! To add insult (and i was really cranky - as I'd had a renault set itself on fire), she initially bought a 3xx something without my approval, then when she went to pick up her new car… changed her mind, and bought a stupid Peugeot convertible - i can't get my knees under the steering wheel.

          We're (wife + her father) going to use the baby as a carrot to get her to change the car to something not French and more practical. Everyone except MIL hates the car!

    • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 16:42

      BTW… for the person who negged the comment - I didn't quite explain it properly - by the "ask for the cash difference"… they would know I bought it second hand, and I'd ask them to spend the cash difference on something else for my wife or the baby. No way would I pocket it… we've already told them we're still considering 2nd hand!

  • Aap Ke Papa on 05/01/2016 - 16:07

    I have found the baby carrier to be much better and easier to carry the baby around that to carry a pram. My LO 5m hates the pram but is happy in the carrier. Easier to go around shopping and you ve got your hands free

    • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 16:15

      Do you have any recommendations?

      • Aap Ke Papa on 05/01/2016 - 16:18

        I just a used one from ebay for $20 Bjorn does the job. Luckily the pram was a gift. Might start using when LO cant fit the carrier. Also If I was youI would wait out on the Pram instead would get a carrier. Its really handy literally everywhere from doing household chores, to shopping centre to cooking to taking a walk. See how you go with the carrier and take the decision on the pram later.Anything more than $300 on a pram is a waste IMO

      • Aap Ke Papa on 05/01/2016 - 16:20

        out of topic. My prefers to wash Lo's bum rather than keep using wipes which avoids giving rashes from extensive use of wipes

      • saxlady on 05/01/2016 - 16:23

        Ergo was brilliant after about 4 months. You can get an infant insert but I didn't like it much. My ergo was the best thing I bought when it came to baby stuff.

  • auindie on 05/01/2016 - 16:23
    +2

    Nice Thread.. I am too looking for valuable suggestions from all for my new born :)..Keep suggesting

  • pformag on 05/01/2016 - 17:04

    Regarding your Pram choice. If you plan on having a 2nd child within the next 2 years, Bugaboo does not have the option for a 2nd seat.

    We purposefully bought the Baby Jogger City Select for that purpose. Excellent pram. You can even get the bassinet that will look very similar to the Bugaboo style.

    http://babyjoggerstrollers.com.au/product/city-select/

    • pformag on 05/01/2016 - 17:07

      http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0281/8056/products/City-Sel…

      Image of all the configurations.

      • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 17:23

        I'm a big fan of the BJCS… one of my clients has one. Its one of the few prams that will go through a standard door doubled up.

        But we're definetly not having a second one close… going to wait until the first is in pre-school or prep. Gives my wife time to get another promotion or two, plus bank lots and lots of leave.

        • pformag on 05/01/2016 - 17:42

          Its a good pram, but so is the Bugaboo. If you can afford the Bugaboo, then go ahead I say.

          A suggestion with Nappies if you move passed the reusable.

          We used the Huggies for the newborn stage, as it has a wetness indicator which is handy, but when our baby moved up in size, we found the huggies leaked, so we tried Coles brand nappies, and never looked back. They are pretty cheap, but never leak. Something to remember if Huggies start to leak.

          +1 for the IKEA high chair. Get the tray as well. The whole chair and tray is plastic, so its really easy to use.

          When your not at home, you may need a portable high chair. Link below is the one we bought, it attaches to any chair, and is easy to clean.

          http://www.toysrus.com.au/ingenuity-baby-base-2-in-1-aqua_10…

          Good luck with the baby.

        • konazz on 11/01/2016 - 12:34

          @pformagg:
          Yeah… ikea is def on the list.

          Won't need a portable chair, as we'll use the bugaboo with the chair stand that makes the pram seat double as a reclining high chair :)

  • zealmax on 05/01/2016 - 17:15

    First child is the hardest. I wasted a lot of money on stuff that was useless or impractical when I had my first child. I bought a steel craft pram on special for $800. It was big and heavy, very hard to fit into a medium hatchback. Used it 3-5 times and it is still sitting in the garage. Strollers on the other hand are extremely useful and easy to put into the car. I highly recommend Maclaren strollers, although it is from 6 months and up. Children are very portable when they are below 6 months, very compact and light so a pram may not be needed. I wish I just waited it out and bought the Maclaren stroller.

    • konazz on 05/01/2016 - 17:26

      I've already chosen the geekiest stroller:
      https://www.yahoo.com/travel/this-new-collapsable-stroller-f…

      They're in Singapore - which I'll pick up when we go to Europe with the bub to see my family.

      • Lord Fart Bucket on 05/01/2016 - 17:30

        That'll be a WHOLE new thread… travelling tips with little ones…
        Did it with a 9 month old, when she was 2 years old, then when she was 4 and her brother 18 months old…

      • zealmax on 05/01/2016 - 21:18

        When did Singapore become part of Europe?

        • konazz on 06/01/2016 - 14:46

          :) we always go through SIN or BKK to see my family. Usually stop a few days to chill out a bit.

  • KangaBanga on 05/01/2016 - 17:44

    For Beach or trail get a Babyjogger Summit X3. Has big front wheel and two massive side wheels(all three bicycle types), all with suspension. Includes brake. A bit large for shopping centers but folds in half easily like the other baby joggers and you can then fling into your vehicles boot.. Go check it out.. Compatible with all the usual Baby Jogger stuff. Anyways once your baby morphs into a toddler after a year or so, you will find supermarket trolleys much more convenient. Slingy things are perfect for short shopping trips, but after a while can be tiring on the shoulders.

    Baby chair the Ingenuity 2 in 1 is very good and portable $50 at Hardly normal. Can use it as an add-on to any chair, any house, any restaurant, anywhere with an adult chair. Worth considering.

    Car seat you want a couple slim Britax Safe-n-Sound Compaq MKII or similar which can fit up to three behind even in a Sedan.

  • marnsy on 06/01/2016 - 07:44

    Can I suggest A Toys R Us Registry as an option.

    WE have set a few up of time for friends and family and not actively trying with our first we received a good rebate at the end and some bonuses along the way. We never gave this to friends and family as an registry we just used it for our own purchases.
    We found that prices are similar to other baby stores and when they do discounts on nappies etc by using the VIP card we have saved some money plus you earn VIP and get the rebate at the end. Plus they price match baby gear - not nappies food etc

    http://www.toysrus.com.au/baby-gift-registry-help-centre/

    • Terms & Conditions: Customers will receive a Babies”R”Us gift card to the value of 10% of the total spent on the Baby Gift Registry at the time of purchase. The total Baby Gift Registry spend must exceed $100 to be eligible for this offer. This offer is not available at Wollongong and Geelong. It is the customer’s responsibility to inform Toys”R”Us of change of address. Change of address can be updated in store only. The Gift Card will be delivered in the post within 60 working days after the completion date has passed. The Gift Card can be used in any Toys”R”Us or Babies”R”Us store across Australia. Excludes online purchases. There is no expiry date and no fees are charged for transactions or balance enquiries. The value on your card can be used in one or multiple transactions until it has a zero balance. After each purchase your gift card balance will appear at the bottom of your register receipt. Lost or stolen cards cannot be replaced or refunded. Gift cards are not redeemable for cash. We reserve the right to modify these terms and conditions as circumstances require.
  • ESEMCE on 06/01/2016 - 08:41

    Nappy Bag!
    and Portacot especially since you're travelling regularly.

    • konazz on 06/01/2016 - 14:44

      Yep. Got a portacot from Aldi, as they're clearing them out. $50… assembled it, and its not too bad.

  • bonezAU on 06/01/2016 - 16:41

    We're in a similar boat, first bub due in May.

    My folks have offered to buy us a pram, we settled on the iCandy Strawberry 2 & carry cot, came as a bundle with some other stuff.

    I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty well off brother & sister in law who have 1 year old twins and a 4 year old toddler and she researches and buys the "best" (read: expensive brands) products on the market a lot of the time, they are at the point now where they are more than happy to give us their crib, cot, car seat and a bunch of other stuff for free. Most of it is in almost near new condition.

    We've put on layby a change table and chest of drawers and I bought 4 boxes of Huggies nappies when they were discounted at Woolies a couple of months back (with 5% discount evouchers of course).

    So far no major clothes purchases, probably should start looking into that soon as well as more of the disposable things… dummies, bottles, wipes, etc.

    People rave about the Ikea high chair, so will likely get one of those too once the time comes. Any recommendations for a baby monitor? Was looking for one of the ones with the movement detection mats but don't want to pay the RRP $339 or whatever they charge at those baby shops. I guess Gumtree might be an option here?

    Anything else I might have forgotten? From what I have heard these 'children' things that you take home from the hospital don't come with any sort of user guide or return to base warranty and I have no experience at all, I guess it's going to be a fun ride :)

    • konazz on 06/01/2016 - 16:46

      Yeah. I wish we could get hand me downs… but it looks like we (and 3 other couples we're good friends with) are all due in June/July (totally random, although it does explain the baby talk at the last camping trip). No one else to get stuff handed down from :(

      I will get some newborn nappies when I see them on special (the reusables aren't very good when they're tiny). I'm also getting the Ikea chair when i'm there next.

      Ha… these 'kid' things definetely need instructions. I've never even held a baby in my life (and I'm 30)… we ended up hiring a private mid-wife (with a medicare provider number) to share care w/ the hospital's antenatal clinic. We've got her booked out for 6 weeks after the birth as well, to give us a hand + the community nurse.

  • imahapyboy on 07/01/2016 - 12:25

    home brand food all day every day 247

  • OzzyOzbourne on 07/01/2016 - 12:42

    " Plan is to have the nursery done a few months before"

    Paying someone else to do it or doing it yourself?

    Clothes - don't buy expensive branded stuff. Cheap (but nice), baby will grow out of them in a few months and they'll be continuously covered in puke and poo anyway. Plus you'll be so haggard, you won't notice what the baby is wearing.

    • konazz on 07/01/2016 - 13:03

      I do pretty much everything myself. Dad's an ex-builder, so he helps me out a bit (although I planned, engineered and built our 30m2 deck). Room was only recently painted about 6 months ago, and I'm converting the built in wardrobe which is 3metres long into a wardrobe full of inserts, deep toy drawers, about 6 normal drawers, shelves (only above 1200mm,so the little one can't reach) and nooks and crannies that we think will be useful for a few years. For the 2nd one, we'll be moving house, so this only has to last 1 young child.

      All the 2nd hand furniture I'm stripping back myself and repainting… but we're trying to do it now so the wife can help with sanding, painting, and even just helping me move stuff out onto the deck.

  • triple675 on 07/01/2016 - 12:50

    Congratulations.

    Not really baby specific but I use an app called Pocketbook for budgeting. It syncs to your bank account and categorises all your spending. This information can be used to find exactly where your money is going and how to reign in unnecessary spending. You will be surprised where your money is going. It is a great app and doesn't cost anything to download.

    • konazz on 07/01/2016 - 12:58

      Thanks for the budgeting idea. We use quickbooks online (through work i get it for free), which is similarly linked to all our accounts, credit cards etc. I haven't made specific baby categories, but I think i will, especially to keep an eye on gumtree spending.

  • Multiverse on 07/01/2016 - 13:20

    Get some second hand gear (If it's good quality).

  • dogboy on 07/01/2016 - 14:20
    +1

    It is amazing how people have been able to survive up until this stage of human development before we had all this baby crap that every new mum these days absolutely needs. Everything seems ridiculously overpriced and will be used for a very short amount of time. Seems like the best thing to do is just rent and buy second hand.

  • SuperC on 07/01/2016 - 15:25

    We got the Uniden BW3001 2.3" Digital Wireless Baby Monitor, we got the pack with two cameras because the pack with one was sold out and it was only $30 more. Until the baby started to crawl, we had no use for the second camera, but now we have one on each end of the cot, since he tends to fall asleep anywhere in there.

    Edit: Model was BW3002, Babykingdom has the two pack for $159.99

    • Lord Fart Bucket on 07/01/2016 - 15:38

      We bought an angelcare system with those sensor pads that detect breathing.
      Went off in the middle of the night, wife raced to the babies room, kid was sound asleep in the corner of the cot.

      My wife did bump her foot on the wall and broke a toe though.

  • peterw1 on 07/01/2016 - 15:56

    i would suggest you use choice reviews when buying baby products ie the expensive pram is a waste of ozbargainers cash. Also use their reviews on baby seats as all are not equal should you be involved in a crash. when cleaning bubs bot tear the j+j wipe in half. Their bot is not so big it needs a full wipe, plus its easier to wipe with a half than full. Also as much as possible, get wife to breastfeed - its cheaper and easier, though for the first 2 weeks it will be very difficult, then it is easy. Can I pre-emptively say, welcome to parenthood. A lot of life becomes easier to understand, though equally more terrifying. This is a life sentence that most parents enjoy. Goodluck

  • cuteseal on 07/01/2016 - 16:06

    Babies and weddings are the biggest cash grabs as they prey on your emotions.
    For my 2nd one I channeled by inner Ozbargainer and it was all hand me downs and 2nd hand stuff off gumtree :D

    But seriously, don't buy a capsule as you only need it for 6 months. We rented ours from our council for $80. The contractors even come round to professionally install it for you.
    http://www.boroondara.vic.gov.au/residents/families-children…

    I can't believe how expensive prams are as well… we only bought in the 200-300 range and later picked up some good used ones for around $400.

    Don't bother with those nappy disposal units… cute but after a while we just ended up using a normal step bin with a good closing lid, lined with normal bin liners.

    Clothes as well - nice cute designs but not worth spending a lot on as they grow so quickly. Some of the outfits literally had 1 wear before they grew out of them.

  • konazz on 10/01/2016 - 22:00

    Where can I get baby safe paint?
    Got a solid timber change table for free today.

    • ItsMeAgro on 11/01/2016 - 12:05

      Will the baby ever touch the painted surfaces? Usually you put a baby change pad on top and they never touch it. Unless the paint is still wet, there are no fumes or anything.

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