[ADVICE] 16 year old booked international flight.

Hi Ozbargainers: I had tremendous positive feedback from my last post regarding an unfortunate event in the family. I am hoping to get some help from the community this time around. It is a long story, so I will try to keep it concise to the point.

  • This involves options for a non-refundable airplane ticket purchased by a minor and seeking some constructive parental advice. Moderators: This matter is quite urgent, if it’s not in the correct forum, please move it as you see fit after a day, so to get some initial traffic, much appreciated.

About half year ago, my brother has told my mother that he wishes to go to Japan to improve his dance (an alternative popular style of dancing). Given he was only 15 and it sound more like a spur of the moment thing, my parents did not took it seriously.

Last week, he booked and paid for plane ticket to Japan without telling mum and dad. Considering that he is 16, is this online transaction legitimate for a minor? Knowing Air Asia has no refund policy, could there be an exemption or other options?

My brother produced an itinerary, which include; Airflight for $1200(-paid), Hotel for 9 nights at under $200Aud(-not paid) total(thats under 20 bux a night!), eat and travel with $500Aud. He arranged a local translator to look after him (an acquaintance of his dance teacher in Aus). He will pay expert dance instructors (another $500Aud-not paid) to teach him during his stay. We have no relatives in Japan; he will be on his own with very limited support from three acquaintances. We have no idea of whom they are, one does not speak English, and another is a Child from his Primary school many years ago.

Brief background of my brother: He is 16, going to into year 11 this year. He is difficult to typecast, perhaps a gamer/dancer/Clown. Quite sociable and popular in his school. I was called by school last year to see the headmaster for his dishonesty. He has been dancing with a tutor and group of people in a dance studio for around 3-4 years now. He would get some late occasionally due to training or dance battles. Dad has been generous usually with his spending. My brother has also found a first job at a fast-food chain this summer holiday working late shifts.

Given he has never left Sydney alone, nor looked after himself for more than a day. Travelling alone to a foreign country with limited support at age 16 is a huge risk. He has no idea how to handle unexpected situations, e.g. losing passport, travel insurance. I told him that his decision is immature and is not supported by the family at this stage. I also assured him that the family can pay up to three month for his trip to Japan after HSC. Another option is to go with my cousin to Japan this July holiday. He agreed with my facts, yet still wants to go. His only argument is that he believes he can benefit in his brief stay and hence improve dramatically in his dance over time when he gets back. While I do not think 9 days will make him a much better dancer, he strongly disagrees. I also pointed out that a dishonest decision not supported by the family will yield negative emotional turmoil if he persists to go, and it goes both ways.

After two long discussions with my brother, it seems almost impossible to change his mind. The ticket is in the next few days, it is non-refundable. I also had two long discussions with his dance tutor seeking his perspective. I then found out that the tutor had been to the same teacher, booked the same hotel when he was 18 (with the support from his parents). The tutor and I both agreed that my brother’s decision was rushed and not though-out, a longer trip down the road would be better.

  • I still find it hard to fathom how a 16 Y.O could legally travel to a Japan without the consent of neither their parents nor any Visa application. Additionally, for a 16 Y.O to be able to purchase airfare online raises the question of its legitimacy if we can get a refund?

  • At this stage, if I could get some parental guidance. Given mom and dad has put me in change of the matter. They are hugely disappointed on my brother’s dishonesty with not telling them beforehand. They are also feel helpless given my brother did not listen to their direct confrontations. Now I am left in the middle to convince him or otherwise, given I am 10+ years older than my brother.

TL/DR.
My 16 year old brother is going to Japan alone to improve his popular dance. He did not tell mum or dad, booked ticket with some of his money from his first job. After two long discussions and being told explicitly that his decision is rushed and immature over factors such as safety, purpose and timing, he still persists. We even suggested alternatives to go to Japan for up to three month after the HSC (which will finish in 19 month for him), or got with my cousin in June for two weeks.

My brother seems to have set his mind to go, as his plane ticket is also non-refundable (air Asia). We are quite desperate in this situation given limited time (ticked in a few days) and options it seems. Is there any way to recoup the money? More importantly, if any some constructive parental advice for my parents (and me) would be tremendous.

**Edit:

Thank everyone for the generous feedback. whilst many posters said to let him go, but I could really use some constructive feedback on aftermath and consequences.
I will speak to him again tonight, will keep everyone posted.

**Edit part 2:
It has been a very long night last night, and I had people coming to my place to fix things during the day. Now that I have some time, I would like to give some current progress and thoughts.
The four of us sat down and had a deep talk.
Dad is the authoritative figure that insisted on risks and the potential to affect his HSC (yes, Asian family, but we pay 25K a year for his tuition).
Mum is just worried about him living on his own, and the safety.
He tried to dodge the bullet, stating that he thought mum and dad was ok with him using his first pay for the ticket. He did not anticipate the heartache and mistrust as repercussions.
I try to stay neutral, making it clear that I not going against his ultimate goal to improve his dance. Also to point out how he was not respecting mum and dad on this decision, it caused heartache and mistrust, whether my brother realised it or not.
Realising the mistrust raised, he apologised for the heartache caused to parents. My brother is still persistent on going there in three days, rather than what we suggested at a later time.
I then turned the table and asked him what should he do to rebuild trust and not hurt mum and dad in the future. Also that he made an independent adult choice, he will be seen/treated like with adult responsibilities if he decides to go.
He spoke for a while, promising all the chores and responsibilities he will carry in the future, including board fee.
Dad then asked him to put it in writing and sign with everyone. (The written procedure that was done few times previously, with very limited success last few years).
At the end of the night, I am supportive of him to go provided he behaves like an adult(within reasonable grounds) and openly talk to family for future reference.

Again, I take my hats off to the people who has read the entire 100+ post from this thread or replied constructively(to both sides of the camp).
Big thanks to mskeggs, Leiiv, Vitastic, the-mal, Land of smeg, toniyellow, heb, just for the time you invested into this thread, to providing a perspective to someone you never met before.
I will update after two weeks, for anyone who wants a finale to the event.

Comments

  • +4

    I don't think "dishonest" is the right word to describe him. Disrespectful, yes. If he was dishonest his family wouldn't even know about his arrangement. He would've left breaking the news till he was at the airport or he would've lied and said he was going on a camping trip with his mate's family.

  • I don't have any constructive help for you however I'd just like to say ozbargain is such an awesome community! Hope you feel at ease more with all this information coming through.

  • He's becoming a man and needs to go walkabout.

    You don't need to be his mother, he already has one.

    All the best to your brother.

  • I left home (different state) not shy off just turning 17, and honestly found that it didn't matter what age I was, it was experience that was the biggest eye opener for me. It seems like your brother has most things already worked out and paid for already, not to mention he has a plan there. Add the fact that its Japan which compared to the rest of the world is quite safe plus he is actually meeting someone there and has someone to contact. I'm in my 20's right now and probably wouldn't have sorted it out this well.

    The thing is for some people there is two sorts of ways, theres enjoying something and things like this you can discuss, "is this right? is this wrong? etc" but then there is some things that defy logic, that doesn't make sense, that are better ways to do it, but for your brother he see's this as his chance and its something he isn't going to turn back from.

    It seems like it will be easier to support him and ensure that if an emergency arises he has some family he can call and be there if needed. This seems like his passion and his dream, to me he will learn one way or another what life is like, and this will be quite the experience for someone like him.

    FYI I know people at around this age who has gone to Japan alone and have come out okay.

  • +1

    Japan is a fairly safe city, you can try to get an international calling card, so that he can contact you whilst there.

    Relative age is not a good indicator of maturity, someone who is 30 years may act like a 18 years old, whilst a 18 years old can have a lot of maturity if he has enough life experience.

    I think your brother's courage and indomitable spirit at this age is something of a rarity, and should lead him to great things if it is directed properly.

    • Japan is a country :p Tokyo is really big and busy, but some of the other big city feel safer

      • you picked up on the typo.

  • Give him the tools he needs to be safe, A phone/phone card to be able to contact you. Give him a talk about not being duped by strangers. Give him a book of essential phrases.

  • +1 to let him go

    Japan is a safe tourist destination and one get can around okay without knowing too much Japanese. Only thing you should be worried about is whether he might get stranded in Japan because of cancelled flights or if he misses his flight.

  • +1

    Japan is extremely safe. I'm in Tokyo now and you can basically walk around with $5000 worth of yen and feel completely fine.

    I'm not sure what "Mischief" you think he is going to get up to lol. (Find a Japanese girlfriend?)

    It seems you and your parents have accepted he is going. Good. He is about to do HSC which will mean 2 years of hell. He has earned his own money and has saved for something he clearly loves. He has also got himself some contacts in Japan if he needs help. This trip will give him life skills and improve his maturity. He'll make friends for life and will be able to travel back and have a couch to crash on and vice versa if they come to Australia.

    I suggest your parents pay for a proper hotel as well. He can pay them back when he gets home.

    I suggest he rents a pocket wifi box and checks in with you every day via Skype. Most department stores also have free wifi and there are several Starbucks around.

    Offer to be there for him if he needs financial help and ensure he gets the HIGHEST LEVEL of travel insurance so he can get home if he needs to.

    Finally and probably most importantly in Tokyo/Japan it is pretty bloody cold at the moment. It was 10 degrees today and I was cold in a thick jumper and a jacket. If he hasn't done so already tell him to buy a beanie. Uniqlo isn't a bad place for cheapish jumpers etc.

    Can you elaborate what you mean about him being dishonest ?

    • One other thing. Making your brother pay rent is a fast way to push him away even more. Don't make a child pay rent unless there is a serious financial reason and he is earning enough money to do so.

      I don't actually believe he is being that dishonest. Paying for his own ticket isn't dishonest. Your parents are likely too focused on education and him getting a extremely high HSC mark which might not be important to him.

      They might not understand but they should trust him to make his own choices. Telling him there will be consequences is not showing that your parents trust him.

  • +2

    I did the same thing when I was 16. My parents learned of my journey when I was already en route and they couldn't find me in the morning in the house. I was on my way to a major city in Europe.

    Went back home, gave parents a hug, as if nothing happened, 4 weeks later. Since then, my parents trusted me with almost everything (not the best decision for them, haha). I'm 30+ now and looking back, I think I should have done it more often.

    I also hate my parents for ruining almost all my ambition and drives to do/create something in my life because "it will not work" or it was "unsafe" or just … "not now".

    All in good times. Let him experience life. You've got only 1 !

  • In a way you say nothing can change his mind however nothing is changing your mind or your parents mind to let him go at this moment. There is actually no middle point and no negotiations avaliable. You all have given him suggestions but is that what he really wants? Where is his voice in all this? He has been thinking about this for at least 6 months, it does not seem like a rash decision and he even saved up for the plane ticket and some fees.

    Sometimes its important to acknowledge the importance he feels of going and why he wants to go before making suggestions. Sit down and chat to him and try to understand why now? Why is it so important that he has to do this now and not later. Listen to him without responding or be non-judgemental, let him do the talking and when he is done ask him what are the consequences of him going now and then ask him what can be done. Give him a chance to rectify it himself. If he comes up with the suggestions he is more likely to follow through with it.

  • When is the flight and where will he be based (if he is to go)? I am currently in Japan and will be leaving on 22/01 from Narita

    • Please activate your private inbox.
      He is travelling on a diff date, and prob not likely where you are going. A less tourist region.

      • +1

        Done. Depending on time and date, if your family is letting him go ahead, I can chat to him about what to look out for and other advice. I am a secondary Japanese teacher with experiences taking groups of students to Japan on several occasions.

  • +2

    Meh to those agreeing to let the boy go. I'm not arguing about the fact that Japan is very safe but what I'm more concerned about is those people he's associated with. If you trust your brother's companion then he's safe. Tell me brainwashed but the only problem I see is sexual abuse, if your brother is fully aware of this issue then he's good to go.

    OP has a fair point that the family has given the boy a fair share toward his dance passion then he should acknowledge their authority and contribution, it's like charity receiving donation from benefactors and has to abide to the condition of that donation. If the boy insist that he must go, the family should make clear to him that they will not provide further financial support to his dance, if he can live with this that's fine, you just can't take it for granted forever.

  • +1

    Everybody that i know that is successful took risks. They went against the grain and ignored the conventional way of doing things.

    The A students are the judges, bankers, drs and doing well. The B students are accountants, lawyers also doing well. But it's the group of C students that did things differently that are r running their own businesses and taking risks and creating their own wealth and happiness in their own way.

    Encourage success and adventure. Especially if he is funding it himself. It seems that his mind is set. Don't be a barrier and make him foster guilt and resentment. Instead maybe guide him to understand your concerns and how he can help you. In fact encourage him to think bigger and consult you in the future. If you don't, you may not have input in future decisions he makes.

    • Also look to yourselves and ask why do you believe he is being dishonest? How are you making him feel? What could you do too support his decisions? What can you do too alleviate YOUR concerns and reservations?

      I find that it really helps to look at myself and why i am reacting the way i am.

      I think there is a saying somewhere… Be the change you want to make in the world and others around you.

  • hi OP. tense situation.
    if you REALLY fee you need to sotp him, for genuine reasons, and once your/his parrents give the green light,
    drop a line here/call them
    https://www.border.gov.au/about/contact/make-enquiry

    or see them in person
    https://www.border.gov.au/about/contact/offices-locations/au…

    They can, based on 'guardianship clauses' stop the travel.
    yup, some money lost, but priorities first.
    hope its works out okay.

  • +1

    Are you sure he got a hotel? At $200 a total all up i find that hard to believe. I'm going /planning to book in for a trip in March by myself, im mid 20s but gosh even a capsule hotel wouldn't come in that cheap from what i can see? Double check the accomodation at least is legit, it might even be a hostel then as i really doubt you can get a $20 something a night hotel in japan :S

    I actually think the experience woudl be great, as he has a purpose there, albeit like you said perhaps alittl ebit fresh off his feet with travelling. He doesn't seem fazed byt that though which is good? I do see the concern pov though….. as i know where that comes from too.

  • Read this article in the news today. Hope it gives you some reassurance about Japan being a safe country.

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/travellers-stori…

    • Like the delicate fragrance of clean hair and freshly washed linen.

      True that.

  • i didn't tell anyone. at least he told you. but i travelled back n forth asia to oz yearly sometimes on my own so was very familliar with airports etc

    i think he will be fine. its a good experiece for him.

  • Ensure that he has travel insurance, and takes a printed copy of the PDS and you guys have a printed copy too so that in an emergency you are all well covered. Also, what about a sim card for Japan(?)

    I think rather than think about whether he is allowed to go, think about how he will react if he is not allowed to go, now and in the long term. If your cousin is going too, I'd say for sure let him go. He will never forgive the family otherwise that he missed his huge opportunity (as he sees it) to do what he wants.

    The fact that he is an inconsiderate brat can be dealt with later. ;)

  • +1

    What happened?

    • +2

      Trampled by Godzilla.

      OP was right to be concerned.

      :(

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