How Much Do uberX Drivers Get Paid?

Lcoco nuts on 19/02/2016 - 13:44
Last edited 19/02/2016 - 18:23 by 1 other user

Hi Everyone.

According to my calculations. I think uberx driver in australia is the lowest paid legal worker in Australia. Below are my Calculations.

UBERX give driver
$30 per hour
20 % discount in brisbane $30 - $6 = $24
Minus GST $24 - $2.20 = $21.80
Minus Fuel used $21.80 - $4.80 = $16
Minus Tax $16 - $3 = $13
Minus Car Maintenance $13 - $3 = $10
Minus Insurance Exp $10 - $2 = $8
Minus Free Water $8 - $1 = $7.

That comes to $7 per hour for one hour driving. And no Superannuation. UBER Charges 20% of UBERX Driver income which i have not even deducted.

I this this is a big slap on Australain Fair Trading.

Please comment if you agree or disagree.

Please dont use uber. We dont want poor full time working people.

Thanks.

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  • ols108 on 19/02/2016 - 13:51
    +102

    How many Taxis do you own Saggy?

    • Islund on 19/02/2016 - 14:21
      +53

      I will never ever use a Sydney cab again - thank you Uber!

      • Kaching on 23/02/2016 - 10:28

        please try GoCatch then :) it is OZ too!

        • Japius on 23/02/2016 - 11:15

          I read during the trial of GoCatch that drivers could see the fare before accepting, and would just ignore fares that were too short/long? Is this still the case? I recall at the time that GoCatch seemed more like a taxi than Uber. Might try them again if they give me all the same features I love about Uber

        • Kaching on 26/02/2016 - 09:17

          recently learned GoCatch is starting Uber style service as well now that it's legal in NSW.

        • Talonparty on 19/02/2016 - 22:24
          +89

          Yes I do. I think of all those poor taxi drivers, each one who refused my fare because it was too far away and left me in the cold, rainy night with no public transport or other option home. I think of those bastards losing their livelihoods and businesses and it brings a smile to my face and a joyful tear to my eye.

          Karma, you bastards. Karma.

        • onetwothreefour on 19/02/2016 - 19:44
          +63

          Do you believe in KARMA… what goes around comes around.

          If taxi drivers believed in karma they would use deodorant more often.

        • altomic on 19/02/2016 - 14:55
          +35

          Like the wheels on a bus?

        • ChickenTalon on 20/02/2016 - 17:20
          +28

          @nickster9999: this is precisely why taxies are in for a world of hurt, until they stop shitting in the hand that feeds them.

          There is NOTHING stopping taxis offering:
          - clean cars
          - odorless cars
          - being polite
          - not ditching bookings they don't like
          - offering water
          - not acting like arseholes
          - driving properly
          - working/easy apps to book a taxi

          If taxis offered a reasonable service then uber would have no hope. As it is, uber is cheaper and better than a taxi.

          Why would you take a taxi?

        • nickster9999 on 20/02/2016 - 11:06
          +22

          @Talonparty: I have to sympathise with you there. I haven't had lots of instances, but there have been enough times when I've booked taxis and they haven't shown up, or I've been out at night and the driver winds down the window to ask where I'm going and then drives off when I tell him, or taxi drivers who don't even stop when I flag them down. Unfortunately the taxi industry is its own worst enemy and has created the beast that is Uber. I started using Uber on a work trip to the UK last year because almost all black cabs do NOT accept credit cards, and when you pay them cash you get a silly little print out receipt that is often too faint to read, or you get a cardboard business card with the fare price written on it. That was such a hassle keeping all those receipts in my wallet to then claim as an expense with my employer. In contrast when I used Uber, all the receipts were emailed to me.

        • nx1nx1 on 22/02/2016 - 16:16
          +2

          @Talonparty: tried to take a taxi on Saturday. the guy said he was waiting off a booking so he couldn't take me. then he asked me where i was going. obviously he was lying about the booking.

        • Talonparty on 23/02/2016 - 07:15
          +2

          @JetBombat: It was a destination about 50ks distance from near perth city, I missed the last train and was stuck in the station with a massive storm. I had a wad of cash and was willing to pay extra up front but they all refused. I tried sleeping it off until the 6 am train but this ferocious storm hit and the rain was coming into the station sideways. I eventually convinced one of them to do it after a couple of hours and it cost me well over double what it should have. He drove me down the freeway at 120+ with the meter off. All the other bastards rode past with their window down and when they heard where I wanted to go they just drove off and left me in the rain, even after I showed them my cash.

          I lost my appetite for going out much after that I think and I never put myself in the position to ever have to rely on a taxi driver after a night out again, certainly never missed that last train again either.

        • eegos on 22/02/2016 - 16:48

          @onetwothree: lol

        • Cheehoo on 22/02/2016 - 19:51

          @Talonparty: what was too far away?

        • paaj on 23/02/2016 - 13:12

          @Talonparty: I wonder if it would have been cheaper / easier to book a night at a hotel given you were willing to pay. p.s I live in WA so I can sympathize with you.

        • Talonparty on 23/02/2016 - 14:54

          @paaj: Heh that is exactly what my mum told me the next day and it is true. If I'm stuck like that again I'd probably go looking for a hotel and ironically the taxis would probably have been a lot more helpful then too.

  • Olokun on 19/02/2016 - 14:13
    +36

    Please dont use uber. We dont want poor full time working people.

    So your solution is poor non working people?

    • [Deactivated] on 19/02/2016 - 22:53
      +2

      No offence, but are Uber drivers getting around $300 p/w for fulltime work?

      Disability/Aged pension with it's extra benefits, is near impossible to get ahead and it's something like $450 p/w I think.

      This seems crook as, and I wouldn't support it frankly.

    • gorge on 20/02/2016 - 15:53

      yes, because then you can dedicate your time to something productive instead of mindlessly driving a car.

      • neil aus on 20/02/2016 - 00:06
        +6

        Join the taxi cartels, please! They will save us all and make the taxi drivers rich!

        • Japius on 23/02/2016 - 11:17
          +1

          You mean make the plate owners rich, not necessarily the drivers.

  • gomertose on 19/02/2016 - 15:43
    +31

    Lol… Noone is forcing these people to become "poor" uber drivers.

    What you should have said was "Please dont use uber. We I dont want poor full time working people unemployed taxi drivers."

      • [Deactivated] on 20/02/2016 - 00:29
        +3

        so now people have two choices. Time>Money or Money>Time. Before UBERX there was only one choice. People are still free to decide what to drive and what to take.

        • howieyo on 23/02/2016 - 20:18

          It's great there is another option now. Before I was forced to deal with the horrible customer service from taxi drivers.

          You know what's bad? When you get turned down by a taxi driver to drive you somewhere or they take you to the wrong place and refuse to take you to the right one.

  • chinospot on 19/02/2016 - 15:40
    +27

    Should change your name to 13cabs!

  • Erkel on 19/02/2016 - 23:00
    +27

    Most Uber drivers I know don't do it as a full time job, just a side thing for a bit of extra spending money or they genuinely enjoy it. Because of this, my experiences with Uber rides are FAR more pleasant than taxi rides. In the end, the service that can provide a better customer experience always wins.

    Taxi rides feel like a blowjob from a homeless crack addict, sure they gets you to places but you walk away feeling dirty with a complimentary lucky dip in the STD pot. Uber rides are like the full boyfriend/girlfriend experience with a high end escort.

    Unless taxi drivers can step up their game, I will continue using Uber.

    • GameChanger on 20/02/2016 - 00:58
      +6

      The funny part is that the Taxi industry doesn't even want to change.

      Surely they have the resources to create an Uber like app but nooo the Drivers won't be able to cheat customers with such a system.

      • hahaboy on 20/02/2016 - 10:15
        +1

        to be fair, creating an app that is like that is just competing with an already saturated mobile market of uber users. I don't think that approach would work that well either.

        • GameChanger on 20/02/2016 - 12:29
          +8

          I have to disagree as one of the biggest attraction of Uber is real time tracking. The 'incompetence' of taxi drivers drives so many people nuts. With GPS tracking there is accountability and I think its just about the only thing that will save the taxi industry.

        • kipps on 20/02/2016 - 13:01
          +8

          @GameChanger: Not just real time tracking but the rating system to weed out bad drivers keeps the customer experience good. Imagine how many cabbies would get the sack if the taxi industry cared enough to create a rating system!

        • GameChanger on 20/02/2016 - 22:22
          +3

          @kipps: Indeed! Rating system would wipe out half the taxi force loll

      • PVA on 20/02/2016 - 22:12
        +1

        I thought they tried but accc said they couldnt as it would be unfair to competition.
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-12/accc-blocks-launch-of-…

        seems unfair to me.

        • GameChanger on 20/02/2016 - 22:20

          If Taxi really wanted the app to pass by now they would have modified it.

          Not sure why the ACCC got so upset.

      • catbrain on 25/02/2016 - 14:02

        Isn't that exactly what GoCatch is? Created by 3rd party but only available to registered taxi drivers from any company, offers rating, paying within the app, including PayPal, real-time tracking including connection to the driver… I use it all the time for work. And no surge pricing.

        • GameChanger on 25/02/2016 - 14:12

          Yep; things have got interesting! Though I think Uber still has the $$$ to dominate the market through price and marketing.

    • JV159 on 20/02/2016 - 10:42
      +4

      Maybe someone should make an Uber style app for the escort thing you're talking about :P

    • easternculture on 22/02/2016 - 17:43
      +1

      Taxi rides feel like a blowjob from a homeless crack addict

      So you've had a blow job from a homeless crack addict?

  • Baysew on 19/02/2016 - 14:59
    +25

    According to my calculations.

    Even using your "assumptions" your calculations are flawed.

    You have deducted GST from income, but there is no calculation for offsetting GST on expenses.

    You have made a calculation for tax in the middle ? Tax would be calculated on income less expenses.

    Even if we accept your income figure of $7 per hour and add that to $3 tax you have assumed, that would be $10 per hour.

    $10 / hour x 40 hours per week x 50 weeks in a year = $20000 income per year.

    Tax on $20k per year = $342. Tax per hour = seventeen cents.

    • BartholemewH on 21/02/2016 - 15:59
      +2

      Exactly. A Flawed calculation from start to finish.

  • AssociatedFlying Ace @ Uber on 19/02/2016 - 18:02
    +24

    I'm an Uber driver and my expenses are nowhere near what is quoted above. I drive Uber as it was intended - as a bit of extra cash when I would otherwise be doing nothing, and it's been great for me. It's where people use driving for Uber as their main income where the problems start.

    • FutureTech on 19/02/2016 - 18:49
      +3

      Do you have to pay much more on insurance because it's now used for ride sharing purpose?

      • AssociatedFlying Ace @ Uber on 19/02/2016 - 19:07
        +1

        To be honest I haven't been driving for Uber for very long, so I haven't organised any extra insurance.

        • AssociatedFlying Ace @ Uber on 19/02/2016 - 19:56
          +5

          @samBee: the additional insurance through NRMA isn't that much extra. But thanks for the helpful tip.

        • hahaboy on 20/02/2016 - 10:14
          +4

          @samBee: how will insurance know if you are ubering? Also, in T&Cs would they explicitly state no taxi / uber style services or insurance is void? Otherwise, it's your own car, and you are driving as you please. If you have an accident, insurance should kick in?

        • [Deactivated] on 20/02/2016 - 12:33
          +4

          Let's hope for the sake of your passengers that you don't have a serious accident.
          It is totally irresponsible taking those kind of risks with insurance.
          This is the side of Uber that punters don't even think about it-they just want a cheap ride.

        • Save 50 Cent on 19/02/2016 - 19:21
          +3

          Of course your expenses are not much then. Just pray you don't get in an accident while ubering mate or you'll be in big trouble.

        • FutureTech on 20/02/2016 - 13:57
          +3

          @hahaboy: when you're getting your quotes one of the question will be are you going to use the car for commercial purposes or solely for private use? And recently since its getting popular they add questions like are you going to participate in ride sharing. So if you lie on these questions and somehow they find out that you're actually ubering when the accident occurs, they have the grounds to refuse payout.

        • kipps on 20/02/2016 - 15:50
          +3

          @maolin95: And if the insurer refused the claim (where driver not at fault) purely because the driver was driving for Uber and that did not contribute to the claim then I think the insurer would have issues with section 54 Insurance Contracts Act 1984 (Cth)……

        • Save 50 Cent on 20/02/2016 - 14:20
          +1

          @hahaboy: if you have a not-at-fault accident and the other driver realises you're an uber driver because your stupid drubk passengers made it obvious, you are screwed. Now if the other car is a taxi, you'd definitely be toast.
          Your claim will be rejected. Other insurers will not want to come near you in the future except with ridiculously high premiums maybe.

        • ChickenTalon on 21/02/2016 - 23:54

          @samBee:

          you have a not-at-fault accident

          Stop right there.

          What insurance would you need for a not-at-fault accident?!?! We aren't talking about driving an unregistered vehicle. You don't need insurance for a claim when another driver is at fault.

          Now, if you have an at fault accident when driving for Uber. That's a different story. You can't be refused coverage unless driving for uber contributed to the accident. But this is not something I'd risk arguing against the legal army of a big insurance firm. This is where the Insurance Act comes into play, but I wouldn't risk it personally.

        • Save 50 Cent on 22/02/2016 - 08:33

          @ChickenTalon: if the other driver doesn't have insurance, they will probably let your insurer know about your uber driving when they are contacted by your insurer to pay up.
          believe me, I was once an uber driver and read a lot of horror stories on uber drivers forums. Go have a look yourself.

        • ProjectZero on 24/02/2016 - 13:07

          @samBee: From what I can remember with my friend who applied for Uber… they actually have an insurance policy to cover you during your Uber services, any other time, it falls on you to have insurance…

          In other words, Flying Ace doesn't need any extra insurance covers at all.

        • Save 50 Cent on 24/02/2016 - 16:03

          @ProjectZero: well, that is what they tell drivers. Let your friend ask them to show that in writing :)
          They only cover third party liabilities (uber passengers, other cars and people in other cars). But the uber driver and their car can go to hell since 10 other people signed up to drive for uber while i am typing this reply, so they couldn't care less. They are evil. Check uberpeople.com and read the terrible stories drivers write on there.

  • clem0ximus on 19/02/2016 - 13:59
    +21

    $2 per hour for insurance? Are you insuring a gold plated Bentley continental GT or something?

    For arguments sake you drive 5 hours in a day, for 5 days a week. Thats a $2500 per annum insurance policy. I paid $800 for my car last year and I considered that to be high.

    • ChickenTalon on 19/02/2016 - 20:10
      +9

      And you also get an insured car to drive around other times. So it's a cost that should be apportioned.

    • soaringphoenix on 21/02/2016 - 09:30
      -3

      It's not all that unusual to be honest. I have 7 years of no claim discount with NRMA, as well as a clean licence, and pay $1800 for my SS commodore in the Eastern Suburbs. It was also a lot higher in my earlier 20s (~$2300).

      • BoomTetrisForJeff on 21/02/2016 - 23:29
        +13

        mate your getting ripped..

        • BestofOZB on 22/02/2016 - 21:48
          +2

          Big time!

      • cvas on 23/02/2016 - 10:53

        Is the SS even worth that much?

        • cvas on 23/02/2016 - 17:03
          +3

          Of course.
          I drive a 75 series landcruiser worth about $500 in its current state. The engine was capable of producing 96kw when it left the factory however now, I suspect it to be more like 50kw

        • CrushJelly on 24/02/2016 - 23:07
          +1

          @soaringphoenix:
          What's up with the fanboyism?

          Way off topic for this thread. You have your opinions on your 1.8 tonne barge, others have theirs.

          It's a fantastic package for the money, no doubt. But not everyone's cup of tea.

        • cvas on 23/02/2016 - 15:02

          50k for a commodore? Not even sure I would spend that much on a HSV. Anyway to each his own.

        • BexForHeadache on 24/02/2016 - 17:11

          @soaringphoenix: Your definition of 'nearly' must not be the same as what's in the English dictionary.

        • soaringphoenix on 23/02/2016 - 16:31
          -1

          @cvas:

          Mind if I ask what you drive, to get a better understanding of your vehicle preferences?

          50K will get you a brand new SSV with 304kw and 570nm right now. Other than the XR6T/XR8, there is really no where else you can get that kind of power and refinement in a RWD sedan without spending a hell of a lot more.

        • soaringphoenix on 24/02/2016 - 17:59
          -2

          @BexForHeadache:

          Enlighten me as to your reasoning?

          I said performance nearly equivalent to ~200k German rivals. We're talking about 304kw/570nm. The equivalent Audi/BMW/Merc will cost nearly 200k, no?

        • soaringphoenix on 23/02/2016 - 14:50
          -6

          ~50k (PWN) with performance nearly equivalent to ~$200k German rivals, I'd say yes.

  • anthem29 on 19/02/2016 - 15:23
    +19

    Go away.

  • pantsparty on 19/02/2016 - 14:03
    +17

    http://shop.coles.com.au/online/national/coles-water-spring-…

    $6.30 for 24 water bottles. Thats $0.2625 a bottle. Saving you $0.7375 a bottle. Multiply that by 10 passengers a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks per year, I just saved you $2k!

    Saying that if I was an Uber Driver and was unhappy with the pay, I would get a different job. Sounds like your getting screwed.

      • JimB on 19/02/2016 - 14:46
        +33

        Or you can not offer them water.

      • sparkanum on 19/02/2016 - 18:14
        +5

        Your maths is a bit off.

        The way you'd work this out is average number of passengers per hour, times likelihood someone takes the water, times cost of water. You don't start with $1 and work backwards.

        Given your $30 an hour in fares estimate (questionable, but whatever) you'd be looking at one or two trips with maybe average 1.5 passengers per trip. So 3 people an hour maybe. Based on how many times I've taken the water, maybe 1/3 of the time people take water. So 1 bottle at $0.25 a bottle.

        So Matt12321 did just save you $2k, assuming you don't just take JB1's suggestion to not provide water because you only get $30 an hour in fares and have the most expensive insurance in the world. I won't touch on all the other ways this calc is bogus.

      • Japius on 23/02/2016 - 11:16
        +1

        I've never taken the water in the many ubers I have used. I wouldn't just assume that every passenger takes the water.

  • cmdwedge on 19/02/2016 - 16:26
    +16

    Saggy, do you own a cab?

    • [Deactivated] on 19/02/2016 - 17:44
      +41

      from the way he speaks definitely is an indian taxi driver

      maybe upset for loss of income as the rest of them are,

      uber is the way forward. no more being ripped off by rude stinky cab drivers

    • Olokun on 19/02/2016 - 16:45
      +23

      Probably was rejected by uber

        • immortalbjr on 20/02/2016 - 11:59
          +32

          I liked the part where you completely didnt answer the question

        • ozhunter on 19/02/2016 - 17:18
          +23

          No one said they earn $100/hour; what's wrong with you?

          Google only owns 6.8% in uber.

        • Associatedche_97 @ Uber on 22/02/2016 - 17:53
          +11

          I did exactly this. I didn't want to do my job any more and I quit. Now I drive an uber. I work exactly when I want to and the money is actually better than my previous job even after all my expenses.

          Let me just start with I have an excellent rating (4.9 *)

          I don't give out water.
          I don't wash the car that often as I mostly drive as night and you can't see the dirt. So no one even notices it. This saves me time if it do it myself or money if I paid someone to do it.

          I would normally be getting the insurance required anyway. This has already paid off as I was in a not at fault accident ( I got rear ended) and the the repairs were easily over $7000 for a car not worth twice that much.

          I'm picky when I work. Last Saturday night I only worked 3 hours but each of those hours got me $60. So $180 in 3 hours.
          How does that compare to your 10
          Hours in a week example.

          If someone had a full time job and just did that one shift, you could easily add $150 ( after costs) to your weekly salary. Just from that one shift. What other job nets you $50 an hour with this flexibility.

          Keep in mind that this was Saturday night and during the week is not this busy, but having uber means this is now an option for both consumers and people like myself willing to give up my time and offer his service. It's win win.

          Please note that I strongly believe there is a place for taxis as the last thing I want is a monopoly. But taxis need to lift their game.
          When we see marketing for taxis, we don't see "look how great what we offer is, come use us" we see
          "Hey, hey hey! Be wary of those other driver types, they are cheaper than us and uhh… Yeah don't use them. Keep using the service you've been very unhappy with for years"

          I'm not sure what taxis need to do but I think they could focus on lifting their game, offering something that uber doesn't (I've thought about having tv in the back or maybe free wifi)

        • Maglia Nera on 20/02/2016 - 18:05
          +3

          @immortalbjr:
          which means he/she OWNS a cab/taxi license plate

        • norimono on 22/02/2016 - 21:46
          +3

          Simple answer: yes or no

          Saggy, do you own a cab?

        • Koolbargain on 22/02/2016 - 15:31

          Although he did get one thing right. Taxis will be gone in about 10 years once driverless cars make it to Australia.

          lol $100 an hour.

        • GameChanger on 22/02/2016 - 15:40

          @krazed15: Drug dealing rides :)

    • Koolbargain on 22/02/2016 - 15:38
      +2

      Bro, he obviously does. His name is Patel for god's sake.

  • ols108 on 19/02/2016 - 20:38
    +16

    Taxi companies and drivers have had a total monopoly forever.
    they let their services slip, and slip and slip, they refused to offer a good service and in business if you don't offer a good service eventfully something like Uber happens and then they want to cry its not fair?

    How many people honestly get Uber for Price?
    I do it because the vehicles are always clean, the driver can always understand me and I feel safe.
    The last cab I got into in Sydney was talking on his cell phone and smoking, WT Actual F.

    Good Lucky Saggy, time to follow your mates into the courier driving business my friend.

    • kipps on 20/02/2016 - 12:57
      +6

      Uber could be exactly the same price as a taxi and I would still take it to avoid those stinky cabbies and their poor driving that have been taking us all for a ride with their government imposed monopoly. Even with UberX giving them serious competition they STILL have yet to listen to obvious feedback that they need to improve their service!

    • Mrgreenz on 22/02/2016 - 18:27

      Couldnt agree more. Became a big fat dinosaur from with help from the government and all the middlemen getting a slice of the pie (read: backhanders). When taxi plates are costing $100,000s per year it`s obvious people involved in the indusrty were getting greedy at the customers expense.

  • JimB on 19/02/2016 - 14:49
    +13

    Car maintenance and insurance = $5/hr?

    Say 8 hours per day = $40 a day = $200 a week = $9,600 a year in maintenance?

    It helps if you don't use a new Porsche as a UBer car.

      • JimB on 19/02/2016 - 16:24
        +11

        Car service I'll give it to you, every 10,000km.

        Tyres last longer than 10,000km. Try 60,000km.

        How can you get fines for parking if you're in the car?
        Fines for driving, slow down.

        • kipps on 19/02/2016 - 20:08
          +18

          @saggy: You must be one of the many dangerous cab drivers I have had the misfortune of being driven around by. Here's a tip: If you're getting fines you need to DRIVE BETTER.

        • zealmax on 19/02/2016 - 17:18
          +15

          @saggy: Why would you stop at a no stopping or bus zone? Does Uber state that you need to drop off the passengers at the most convenient spot, even if it means breaking the law?

        • GreyRabbit on 21/02/2016 - 22:27
          +7

          @soaringphoenix:
          Are you kidding?? 2000-3000 km?? Are you drag racing everywhere you go? Doing doughnuts at roundabouts. Tyres last around 50 k with normal us

        • [Deactivated] on 20/02/2016 - 12:35
          +2

          @kipps:

          It seems that I'm not human now, driving for almost 20 years and not a single fine.

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