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  mrwoo on 21/03/2016 - 11:37

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  Just came in here to wait for the comments from the haters.

  

  mrwoo on 21/03/2016 - 11:37 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
• knackers on 21/03/2016 - 12:09 Comment score below threshold.
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    tryagain on 21/03/2016 - 13:45

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    What rational bases accounts for that wish?

    • knackers on 21/03/2016 - 14:35 Comment score below threshold.
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        tryagain on 21/03/2016 - 16:19

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        The same rational arguments that you would use if a politician advocated for sharia type laws.

        No, I wouldn't wish they weren't involved I would disagree with their ideas and believe the best outcome would come about through the political process not by having to silence them in order to get my way. If all we have involved are people of the same opinion it then just leads to group think.

        Absurdities and baseless assertions are a dime a dozen

        That they are, and I think your wish is a prime example, it can however be fulfilled if you move to North Korea.

        it's best we stick to facts and arguments backed with empirical data.

        I agree with this, however this is politics not science so its seldom a case of black and white science based decisions as they make them-self, The arguments in politics are generally the much greyer areas and its here that benefits from having people of all walks of life and backgrounds to avoid group think and benefit from a variety of backgrounds and experiences.

      • knackers on 21/03/2016 - 20:39 Comment score below threshold.
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        exit on 21/03/2016 - 21:10

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        @knackers: Who got wrong? Stop generalizing minorities with a clear bias then you might be credible in what you think.

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        tryagain on 21/03/2016 - 21:31

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        @knackers: There is maybe a couple on that list that could somewhat arguably attributed to Christianity.
        Some of those like perpetuation of poverty and slavery both historically and still now Christianity contribute more to combating than any other non government organisation so you couldn't be any more wrong if you tried. Most are at best dubious and that's if I am being generous.
        Using your rationale though as Science gave us the Atomic Bomb, chemical weapons and more… We should make sure Science has no place in political decisions either contrary to your earlier assertion. Your reasoning is fundamentally flawed and nonsensical.

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        knackers on 22/03/2016 - 13:02

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        Leviticus 25:44-46 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly. <— God endorses slavery again and again in the bible.

        In the Divini illius magistri(1929) Pope Pius XI condemned artificial means of contraception. "Any use whatsoever of matrimony exercised in such a way that the act is deliberately frustrated in its natural power to generate life is an offense against the law of God and of nature, and those who indulge in such are branded with the guilt of a grave sin"
        This piece of doctrine placed many families in a state of perpetual poverty as they struggled to feed their young.

        "Science gave us the Atomic Bomb".. You seem to misunderstand the nature of science. The scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and interrogating previous knowledge. The scientific method has no motive and/or agenda. In the same way mathematics and language has no motive and/or agenda.

        Burning Witches, Inquisition, Crusades, Stolen Generations are historical fact. Simply whitewashing history is a testament to your own incredulous nature.
        Religions are governed by edicts, scripture and proclamations. One can point to scripture to justify the discrimination of homosexuals and the justification of slavery.

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        tryagain on 22/03/2016 - 15:52

        @knackers:

        You seem to misunderstand the nature of science.

        Well you definitely misunderstand Theology and Christianity. My flawed example was deliberate to parallel the flaws in yours.

        God endorses slavery again and again in the bible.

        This is just plain wrong, he provides rules around keeping slaves, keeping slaves in those days was very different to today's notion of slavery and probably has more in common with today's employer-employee relationship as it was widely voluntary, this is as opposed to today's notion of being forced into the situation against their will which the bible speaks extremely clearly against.

        In the Divini illius magistri(1929) Pope Pius XI condemned artificial means of contraception.

        Now you do realise that the Pope only represents Catholicism not all of Christianity and if your best evidence for the perpetuation of poverty is him condemning birth control I think your evidence is sorely lacking and extraordinarily blinkered.

        Burning Witches, Inquisition, Crusades, Stolen Generations are historical fact.

        You point to historical facts like they somehow then automatically become the fault of Christianity, For that to happen you should point to the sole perpetrators being Christian (otherwise its just an example of flawed human nature) and their actions need to not contradict the teaching and beliefs of their faith. I can point to terrible atrocities committed by atheists (Joseph Stalin, Jeffrey Dahmer and Benito Mussolini to name a few) and as their actions were in no way contradictory to their atheistic lack of belief, surely on your reasoning atheists should therefore more so be excluded from politics?

        Just to make it perfectly clear I don't think atheists should be excluded from politics and once again am just using your flawed logic flipped back at you to try and get you to see the lack of rational argument behind your wish.

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        knackers on 22/03/2016 - 20:57

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        @tryagain:

        keeping slaves in those days was very different to today's notion of slavery and probably has more in >common with today's employer-employee relationship as it was widely voluntary, this is as opposed to >today's notion of being forced into the situation against their will which the bible speaks extremely >clearly against.

        Modern day Christian apologetics - "Rape is not rape, genocide is not genocide and slavery is not slavery". Are you suggesting employers should beat their employees as described in Exodus 21:20-21?

        if your best evidence for the perpetuation of poverty is him condemning birth control I think your >evidence is sorely lacking and extraordinarily blinkered.

        The ability to control ones reproductive cycle has been one of the greatest contributors to the emancipation of women in poverty stricken countries.

        I can point to terrible atrocities committed by atheists (Joseph Stalin, Jeffrey Dahmer and Benito Mussolini to name a few)…

        Again, you appear to be confused. Atheism is the rejection of a supernatural claim, nothing more. Eg. Believer - "I believe pink fairies are real" - Atheist response "Not buying it.”.
        Christianity makes absurd claims about capricious gods, magic men and virgin mothers. I don’t think magic talk adds to any political discourse.

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        tryagain on 22/03/2016 - 22:33

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        @knackers:

        Modern day Christian apologetics - "Rape is not rape, genocide is not genocide and slavery is not slavery". Are you suggesting employers should beat their employees as described in Exodus 21:20-21?

        I love it how atheists think they know so much more about theology than theologians and biblical scholars and try to tell others what they believe when clearly they are clueless.

        The ability to control ones reproductive cycle has been one of the greatest contributors to the emancipation of women in poverty stricken countries.

        Once again this is only Catholics not all of Christianity but you do realise that not using artificial birth control doesn't mean you cant successfully control ones reproductive cycle, Catholics have no issue with that just the way it is done.

        Again, you appear to be confused. Atheism is the rejection of a supernatural claim, nothing more. Eg. Believer - "I believe pink fairies are real" - Atheist response "Not buying it.”.

        Glad you have moved on from the "Christians have done bad things" as an attempt for a rational basis for your wish as that was obviously not very well though through.

        Christianity makes absurd claims about capricious gods, magic men and virgin mothers. I don’t think magic talk adds to any political discourse.

        Well for a start Christianity believes in only one God so not sure where you get "absurd claims about capricious gods" from, but I agree in that I don't think magic talk adds to political disclosure, pretty sure that's why I cant recall ever having heard it. This line of reasoning seems to be as illy thought through as your last one.

        Once again back to the question at hand

        What rational bases accounts for that wish?

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        knackers on 22/03/2016 - 23:01

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        @tryagain:

        I love it how atheists think they know so much more about theology than theologians and biblical scholars and try to tell others what they believe when clearly they are clueless.

        I suggest you read your own bible.

        Well for a start Christianity believes in only one God so not sure where you get "absurd claims about capricious gods" from, but I agree in that I don't think magic talk adds to political disclosure, pretty sure that's why I cant recall ever having heard it. This line of reasoning seems to be as illy thought through as your last one.

        You appear confused and not very versed in your own religion. The bible does in fact speak of rival gods.

        What rational bases accounts for that wish?

        God is welcome to show his/her face in parliament. Door is open to all supernatural entities.

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        tryagain on 23/03/2016 - 02:54

        @knackers:

        You appear confused and not very versed in your own religion. The bible does in fact speak of rival gods.

        "speak of" was never the point of discussion "absurd claims about" was, there may be confusion but its not mine.

        By the way you still have not given me one rational reason for wanting Christians out of politics.

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        knackers on 23/03/2016 - 10:07

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        @tryagain: Indeed the confusion is yours. It appears that you have no idea what is in your own bible.

        you still have not given me one rational reason for wanting Christians out of politics

        Exact quote. "People are entitled to believe whatever ethereal nonsense they like.. just wish they'd stay out of the political arena."

        Christians? I believe my target was ethereal nonsense. Christians generally divorce themselves from magical beliefs while in the lab or parliament. Unfortunately Cory Bernardi is not one of these people. And yes the political process will expunge those who do not represent their constituency while in office.
        It is imperative that we protect minorities and the civil rights of others. Even if a "Holy" Book demands that we stone them. Be less Christian and more Christ-like..

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        tryagain on 23/03/2016 - 10:45

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        @knackers:

        Indeed the confusion is yours. It appears that you have no idea what is in your own bible.

        I know what is in it but read it in its proper context, sounds like all you do is mine for gotcha points formed by misinterpreting the texts to form straw man arguments.

        Exact quote. "People are entitled to believe whatever ethereal nonsense they like.. just wish they'd stay out of the political arena."

        I don't think anyone is in two minds with that comment made on a post about a Christian bookstore who it was directed at, but still backpedaling is a much better option than trying to justify what I think is unjustifiable.

        Still, it's been Fun. Happy bargain hunting.

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  [Deactivated] on 21/03/2016 - 12:21

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  Praise the lord

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  joshykins on 21/03/2016 - 14:03

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  I just came for the downvotes.

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  FisSort on 21/03/2016 - 22:17

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  Do they sell condoms?

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  melfes on 22/03/2016 - 00:08

  Thanks for sharing Scotty. Been waiting and………….. PRAISE THE LORD!

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  teasatotalling on 22/03/2016 - 08:11

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  I came here to be amused by the logical fallacies in justifying faith and the existence of a 'supernatural' being

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    tryagain on 22/03/2016 - 10:03

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    You must be disappointed then.