Unregistered Car Caught in Traffic Offence - Reminders Sent To Previous Address -Victoria

LEconomical on 06/04/2016 - 21:15
Last edited 06/04/2016 - 21:38 by 2 other users

Hello Fellows,

As bizarre as it sounds, it did happen to me. It is a matter of change in address. However, while the licence shows the current address, VicRoads continued sending Rego letter and other Infringement Notices to the previous address. And no rego sticker these days made it even harder to remember when Rego falls due.

Well, the car was unregistered and there is a red-light offence. What makes it worse is the fine for driving unregistered car. However, it does not end here, as even this fine went to the wrong address and we were unaware of it for long. Likewise few more fines from last year which have been escalated now.

How did I get to know that? I called up Vic Roads (proactively) inquiring about my Rego reminder and they mentioned about "unregistered car". Second sensible thing to do was to follow it up with Civil Compliance Victoria (proactively) to ensure if the records were clean and then I learned about the other fines.

Finally, there are few fines at exactly one spot in small space of time. Only, if we had received the first fine, we would have corrected ourselves. We clearly missed that opportunity.

As infuriated as I am at the moment about the entire episode where I fail to find myself responsible for all these extra penalties, I wish to know what are my options now? I am filling in the forms for revocation of additional penalties on the pretext that I did not receive the letters, I am still nervous about the prospects.

Should not Vic Roads have updated my car registered address with Licence updation?
Now we are sitting at too many demerit points due to repeat fines at the same spot (totally avoidable after first instance).

Any suggestions about possible options now?

Thank you everyone.

Automotive

Comments

  • Banana on 06/04/2016 - 21:34

    Would really like to know this as well. Mum's friend was caught in a similar situation: moved house in 2012, updated address with VicRoad, was able to pay afterwards as well, even received discounts for having good record. All the sudden her car was clammed at the shopping center and she was slapped with a few ks fine for a fine from 2012 she was unaware of. She was not allow to take the car until she had paid, so she had no choice.
    Clearly she had done all that she could to update her information and yet she was punished.

    • Baysew on 06/04/2016 - 21:51
      +1

      Something fishy about that story.

    • [Deactivated] on 06/04/2016 - 22:01

      How could you not be aware of a fine?

      Fines are generally stuck on the windscreen, rarely posted. It is incredibly unlikely that fines totalling $2,000 were all sent by mail.

      Me thinks that somebody was ignoring the fines…

      • [Deactivated] on 06/04/2016 - 22:47
        +18

        Since when do red light cameras stick fines on the windscreens of passing cars?

        The driving while unregistered would have come bundled with the red light ticket.

        • [Deactivated] on 06/04/2016 - 22:50

          I was referring to Banana's comment.

        • Banana on 07/04/2016 - 21:28

          @KaptnKaos:
          It wasn't a 2k fine, but it was from 2012 so the fine just got higher and higher. Also, how often do people run a red and pray that it was on amber? I have no idea what offense it was tbh. My point was she had done all that she could to inform the system. She was able to pay for regos afterwards as well. It is as if there is no communication between Vicroad and the cops.

        • Samsungnote10 on 25/12/2017 - 09:24

          Maybe a very keen police officer will come after you on his push bike and slap a ticket on your screen when you are stopped :)

      • Banana on 07/04/2016 - 21:28

        It was ONE fine.

  • nocure on 06/04/2016 - 21:35

    and there is a red-light offense…

    So you don't remember running a red light?

    • ilikeradiohead on 07/04/2016 - 10:40

      Not sure about Vic but in WA red light cameras double as speeding cameras.

      • Zachary on 07/04/2016 - 20:30
        -3

        Nope, pretty sure they're just dedicated to snapping drivers going pass a red light….and not snap people for speeding as well.

        • girlshaped on 07/04/2016 - 20:50
          +2

          Nope, I'm in VIC and I've been done for speeding with those cameras.

        • Zachary on 07/04/2016 - 21:01

          @girlshaped: Oh? Well a few years ago, I went passed a Red-light camera and was doing a few ks over the limit(not sure the exact number, memory seems to be faded - but I know I was definitely over) by accident as it was a downhill road and checked the speedo after spotting the Red-light camera. Not even flash but then again the traffic lights weren't Red…so I guess I must have got lucky…? Or they have changed now and these Red-light cameras do flash people for speeding too?

          If they do now(or did but I somehow got lucky maybe the camera was offline or something), I'll take a mental note of that now: Watch speedo when coming up to a traffic light intersection with Red-light camera.

        • girlshaped on 07/04/2016 - 21:27

          @Zachary: I got done a couple of years ago, red light AND speeding at the same time. Still don't believe I was speeding, but eh.

          Then in January I was coming up to an intersection and the light went amber, but left me enough time to go through the intersection safely. I saw a red light camera so I also made sure I was going the right speed (I thought it was 60km but it was 50km), and flash, I got done for doing 57km in a 50km zone. Another car followed me through and they got done either for speeding or the red light or both. Expensive couple of seconds for us both.

        • Baysew on 08/04/2016 - 09:01

          Intersection - speed and red-light

          There are still some "Red Light" only cameras in operation.

        • [Deactivated] on 08/04/2016 - 16:47

          Most cameras in VIC are dual cameras.

        • Samsungnote10 on 25/12/2017 - 09:25

          Yes in Vic most red light cameras seem to have speed cameras too.
          Theyre not 2 in 1s but usually 2 separate cameras placed about 1 metre apart

  • [Deactivated] on 06/04/2016 - 21:43
    +8

    You should keep in mind that at law, driving a registered vehicle is your responsibility.

    Vicroads having apparently failed to send you your registration certificate, or any other failure in you receiving the registration notice, is no legal defence for driving an unregistered vehicle. To pay your registration online (on the Vicroads website) or in person (at a Vicroads office), you do not need the registration certificate.

    It is quite easy to set up yearly reminders on your phone. Just like you might receive annual alerts for a contact's birthday or anniversary on your phone, it would've been just as easy to set up an annual registration payment reminder.

    You will need to prove before paying the unregistered driving infringements that the infringement was issued as a result of:

    • an emergency situation; or
    • you were directed to do so by a member of Victoria Police; or
    • administrative or negligence on the part of Victoria Police; or
    • a payment error on Vicroads' part, where you can provide proof of payment.

    If you can't prove any of those, you're stuck.

    • Economical on 07/04/2016 - 04:29
      +1

      Thanks for your response. I kept checking regularly at this site:

      https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/renew-update-or…

      and I always get the message - "There is no payment due on the registration. Contact VicRoads 13 11 71 for more information, if required." - Even today the same message.

      It does not even say when it will expire either.

      However, when you check this page :

      https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/buy-sell-or-tra…

      It suggests that the Rego has expired. Even today that too after making payments two days back.

      I am seeking professional help now.

      • Economical on 07/04/2016 - 04:33

        What I also forgot to mention is the fact that the License is clear of all demerit points till date… So even regular check up of demerit points did not point us in the direction that there is something amiss.

        • [Deactivated] on 07/04/2016 - 10:00
          +2

          Demerit points will only appear on your record after a) you've paid an infringement that incurred demerit points and that payment has cleared, b) you took your case to court and the magistrate has deemed that you are liable for demerit points with or without an accompanying infringement, or c) you have exhausted all avenues of appeal and you have been unable to have the infringements overturned.

      • [Deactivated] on 07/04/2016 - 09:58

        "There is no payment due on the registration.

        It suggests that the Rego has expired. Even today that too after making payments two days back.

        The reason that it says no payment due is because you've already paid it. But, the thing is, if you've paid the registration after receiving the infringements, then you'll still be liable for the infringements.

        The Vicroads notice does mention that payments need 72 hours to be cleared at their end, so the payment of a registration won't immediately update the registration status of that vehicle.

      • sparkles on 08/04/2016 - 22:09

        If the rego remains unpaid for a period of time (I think it's 30 days), they cancel the registration completely which sounds like what has happened. It's a pretty dirty letter they send as I got one once when I forgot to pay up. They send it quite quickly after your rego expires and give you a date you must pay by and advise you cannot drive the vehicle until paid. After the point in time detailed on the letter you cannot simply renew it and it becomes illegal to drive the car. You'll probably need to get a RWC certificate and re-register the car.

        • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2016 - 04:02

          If the rego remains unpaid for a period of time (I think it's 30 days), they cancel the registration completely

          I believe in VIC that period is 3 months from the registration due date.

  • Nutrino on 06/04/2016 - 23:35

    What are you up for? How much are the fines?

    • Economical on 07/04/2016 - 04:34
      +2

      5ks… seeking professional help now. We are risk at losing license now.

      • [Deactivated] on 07/04/2016 - 16:14

        this guy at trafficlaw.com.au seems to have a lot of good free info on his site, I presume he is skilled at the profession based on that.

  • RobMel on 07/04/2016 - 05:03
    +5

    The rego for me is a maybe. At the end you should keep track of these things as well.
    Responsibilities don't start with the government or anyone else, they start with ourself, man up.
    For the fines in the same spot, keep driving withing the law and you won't get fines.
    Your excuse seem to imply that you can drive outside the law and the police must inform you that you have been caught so you can avoid THAT spot but continue to breach the law elsewhere unless you have been caught there as well.
    Not sound argument.
    Set a regular reminder in you calendar for due dates and if they don't seem to have a matching invoice investigate.

    • ykwon10 on 07/04/2016 - 09:21
      -1

      ^^THIS^^

    • [Deactivated] on 07/04/2016 - 23:31
      -1

      You're right he needs to accept responsibility for his actions, absolutely. Getting additional fees on top of fines not paid when they weren't even given to him though? He updated his details, how is he meant to pay fines he doesn't have?

      • ykwon10 on 08/04/2016 - 11:29

        OP updated his driving licence details not car rego details. Hence he is not receiving the fines.

        • macrocephalic on 08/04/2016 - 18:05
          +1

          Why would those be two different things? It's either your car and you should get notices or you're being dodgy and registering someone else's car under your name.

        • [Deactivated] on 08/04/2016 - 23:06

          Why would VIC roads expect his rego details to be updated if his rego is literally expired?

  • Olokun on 07/04/2016 - 06:45
    +1

    You pr drivers licence and your car registration are seperate things. You need to update both with ViC Roads. The letters will be sent to the address of the vehicle the offence was committed in.

    The reminder trick is that it it is due the same time every year! Make the renewal the same date as your insurance and you will not forget.

  • Jalif on 07/04/2016 - 07:46
    +3

    It's unlikely you will get off.

    The main reason is the multiple fines.

    If you had one fine and the rego, you would have a very good chance of getting it corrected. Multiple fines in the same location a new camera has been installed in points to a habitual avoidance of the law.
    It throws your whom story into doubt.

    • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2016 - 04:05

      If you had one fine and the rego, you would have a very good chance of getting it corrected.

      Unless you can prove that the registration was not valid at the time for a reason outside of your control (eg. police or vicroads error), or unless you can prove that you were driving an unregistered vehicle in a life-threatening/emergency situation, or that a sworn member of VP told you to do so, you will never find your way out of an unregistered driving offence.

  • Katie2014 on 07/04/2016 - 07:56

    This probably doesn't help now, but we found that with VicRoads, the change of address for car rego took quite a bit longer for them to process than the change of address for our licences, even though we changed them both at the same time.

    We did ours online and when we put in our details, it came up with the cars linked to our licences/address and said that the car rego addresses would be updated as well.

    The address stickers were sent to our new address within a couple of days, but about 4-6 weeks later, one rego renewal was sent to our old address. Then about 4 months later, our other rego renewal was sent to our new address.

    How long ago did you change your address with them? Did you do it online?

  • Tcm9669 on 07/04/2016 - 08:44

    Same thing happened to my mum. License updated.. But rego reminders were sent to previous address! Vicroads have some dodgy system!

    • Katie2014 on 07/04/2016 - 09:14
      +1

      Yeah it's strange.

      When we updated our licences, we thought it was a really well-organised online system - that you could select the cars associated with the addresses/licences and have it all done at once. Obviously not quite working as planned…

  • Seraphin7 on 07/04/2016 - 09:01
    +2

    I wish you luck, but reckon you'll struggle. The address attaching to a licence and registration are entirely separate matters and each need to be explicitly changed (changing one does not, nor should not, automatically change the other). As someone mentioned above, multiple offences in the same place do not help your cause.

    • grb1234 on 07/04/2016 - 11:43

      If you do it online, the default is to update the registered address of any vehicles in your name.

  • [Deactivated] on 07/04/2016 - 09:16

    for what its worth similar happened to me

    Not the fine, i never had one

    but i used the Vicroads Telephone update address system
    They sent me a new licence sticker to the new address, but everything else started to continued to the old address.

    Have you updated the VEC (electoral Commmision) your new address?

    Because I didn't,
    Vicroads and the electoral share address information particularly for traffic infringements, believe it was because I hadn't updated VEC my mailing address was changed back.

    Sorry as far as fines same spot, no excuse because it indicates and disregard for the laws in general

  • adventurouslion on 07/04/2016 - 09:30
    +3

    At the end of the day the responsibility to change an address for a car license and car registration,falls at the feet of the individual.

    VicRoads makes it quite clear,you MUST immediately change your details ,once you change address.

    I find it hard to believe that a person just forgets ,completely,for months,that their car needs registering,with or without a car sticker to remind you.

    Also,surely if you knew you were being fined or ticketed,why didn't you follow things up when you realised that paper work wasn't finding its way to you ?

    You use the word 'Proactively'' in your post and use it to ensure to people you were vigilant,yet where was your vigilance or proactiveness when you clearly knew you had been fined and failed to get on the front foot?

    Did you suddenly forget registrations were only yearly or half yearly? Did you suddenly forget the traffic offences you were guilty of ? Did you suddenly forget that you need to change your address on important matters? Did you forget to be proactive when it counted the most?

    Ignorance is not a defence and at the very least you are guilty of that and any fine you accrued should have been paid at the due time and the reason it wasn't ,is because you forgot to make crucial changes to your address.

    Your story just highlights how people these days,have reneged on certain responsibilities in their life and when the shit hits the fan its someone else's fault.

    Own it,pay it and don't make the mistake again.

  • Gershom on 07/04/2016 - 09:42
    +2

    Just keep ignoring the fines, and the Sheriff and the bailiff will be around to see you and seize your goods.

    You know you did the crimes, just pay up and stop whining.

    "Second sensible thing to do was to follow it up with Civil Compliance Victoria (proactively) to ensure if the records were clean and then I learned about the other fines."

    Bulltish. Whoever heard of anyone calling up to "ensure ïf the records" were clean. Innocent people don't do that.

    I am filling in the forms for revocation of additional penalties on the pretext that I did not receive the letters, I am still nervous about the prospects.

    Pretext? Your own words condemn you.

  • spychiatrist on 07/04/2016 - 10:08
    +1

    If you acted proactively from the get-go by checking your car rego and making sure everything's routed to the new address, most of your troubles would never happened.

    • [Deactivated] on 07/04/2016 - 16:16

      They did, and somehow the monkey at VicRoads only updated the license instead of vehicle+license

  • ramshead on 07/04/2016 - 10:13
    +1

    Sorry about your situation. However, the comments in this discussion do reveal better grammatical use of the word licence. The ubiquitous confusion between licence (noun) and license (verb) is not as prevalent as usual.
    Whilst the word " updation " might sound good, don't use it in your resume unless you're applying for an IT job advertised by an Indian based company.

    • adventurouslion on 07/04/2016 - 11:06
      -3

      Heard of predictive text ??? Not everybody has time to proof read every status,post,message or email. Many many times I have had to correct certain words when i realize what has happened but I do realise mistakes are easily made ,when using predictive text. I realise even more so that some embecilic grammar nazi will be squirming in their seat somewhere and I decide to do &$@# all about it and wait for the inevitable!

      • Gershom on 08/04/2016 - 12:18
        +2

        embecilic

        Imbecilic. Imbecile. 😉

        • adventurouslion on 16/04/2016 - 09:59

          You obviously didn't realise the mistakes I made ,purposely,so as to rile the grammar nazi.

          Realize,sympathise,embecilic …… You didn't see a trend happening?

          Sorry you took it so seriously,I'll make sure I sharpen up on my sarcasm and humour ,that sets out to rile people who would rather proof read opinions ,as opposed to reading them.

          Cheers for lesson!

    • adventurouslion on 07/04/2016 - 11:29
      -2

      I love how you apologise and sympathize (see what i did there? ) with someone who has clearly broken laws and shown stupidity,yet looks to blame others but hell,if someone as much as show any hint of poor grammar,you get on your high horse!?

      Pretty sure new and higher taxes aren't or weren't borne from poor grammar but I am certain unpaid fines and resources spent chasing unpaid fines are a cause as to why we see inflation in some areas!

      I am so glad people like you in society have your priorities straight and show outrage at the correct times. Our world would be so much better and safer if grammar was improved!

      • ThithLord on 08/04/2016 - 15:28

        There's nothing wrong with expecting a higher quality of the written language we speak. Some of the posts I see on here almost make my eyes water, they're that littered with dismal spelling.

        • adventurouslion on 16/04/2016 - 10:07

          To be honest though,with predictive text,smallish key pads and failing eyesight and different spellings from English speaking countries ,surely one would be a little less anal on grammar ,in such public forums as OzBargain!?

          Yes the grammar can be horrid at times,but really,one just jumps on a particular post for the matter of grammar correction?

          Sounds like such an exciting existence had by that person!

        • retiredfeline on 16/04/2016 - 10:23
          +1

          @adventurouslion: Predictive text or autocorrect, small keypads, bad eyesight and alternate Englishes don't produce words like updation, that's a sign of somebody who made up the word. Another one I once saw was comfortability. I can imagine the writer's train of thought: comfortable -> comfortability, instead of realising that the noun is simpler: comfort. Autocorrect often produces hilarious substitutions, like "defiantly go for the big burger" instead of "definitely go for the big burger". There are Internet collections of autocorrect howlers in IM.

          And maybe the comma key is too close to your space key on your keypad? But at least you spelt grammar correctly. :)

          I'd say a light touch of humour is ok but carrying on about every little gaffe, and who hasn't made one, is tedious.

    • Baysew on 07/04/2016 - 13:01

      ramshead and adventurouslion . OP's post was revised, see 'revisions' under subject title.

    • Hirolol on 07/04/2016 - 17:50

      Thanks for the input in regards to the topic.

  • grb1234 on 07/04/2016 - 11:29
    +1

    Your fault, pay up. Yep, unregistered vehicle fine hurts, but it's your responsibility to make sure your registration is current.

  • HeWhoKnows on 07/04/2016 - 13:30

    Oh man. What a cop out. YOU clearly did not update the rego records. You clearly committed the offenses either once or multiple times. YOU clearly are responsible and no court of law in the land will decide otherwise. YOU should be totally embarrassed to bring this up here. Grow up and take responsibility for your actions !

  • Hirolol on 07/04/2016 - 18:02

    Had a similar problem with a work van (but not the unpaid rego part)
    It was registered to an office but then we moved out but all mail was still being sent there.
    The work van had an infringement but because we never received it and it was under a business the cost starts at $3000 or so until you nominate a driver then it gets reduced.

    So one day we get a knock on our door from the sheriff explaining that we owe something like $8-9k because it was never paid.
    The infringement was from approx 3 years prior but luckily we had documents showing that we had changed the address with vic roads and also showing that we had moved.

    They finally sent us the correct infringement to our new address but we ended up writing a letter and sending all the documents.
    After a few back and forward letters they eventually just waived the infringement.

    They didnt really give an excuse but i would say it was for a few reasons being, infringement was more than 3 years ago, we had changed the address and had proof, we had not received a single letter prior to the sheriff knocking on our door.

    If you have proof that you changed address then i think you should be able to get out of some of it.
    Hopefully just 1 fine and the rego payment.

  • darkchoc on 07/04/2016 - 18:58
    +1

    Read about VicRoads database being a common problem previously in the news….

    Suggest writing a letter to David Shelton at vicroads, copying civic compliance and the police explaining your situation.

    Also, VicRoads has set up a dedicated phone line on 8391 3270 for anyone with complaints about the car registration and renewal process.

    http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/vicroads-not-up-to-scratch-a…

  • tonyjzx on 07/04/2016 - 18:59

    If you have multiple cars that's one thing.

    But if you have only one car and that's all you have to take care of then I dont have much sympathy.

    I know that at certain times of the year, I'm up for a massive lump of money. How can you forget that? If you need letters and stickers to remind you of that, then you deserve the fines.

    I do have some sympathy for people not getting speed camera fines because they changed address and whatever because that's not a regular occurrence (or it shouldnt be).

  • gimli on 07/04/2016 - 21:08
    +2

    be glad you are not in gaol.

    • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2016 - 04:12

      The gaols are full. Literally.

  • mousie on 07/04/2016 - 21:17
    +1

    Move to NSW

  • billy3000 on 07/04/2016 - 23:48
    +1

    Sorry but its obvious to me that I would need to change address for both my car and liscense separately..

  • Wallyt99 on 08/04/2016 - 07:44

    Honestly all these people saying naughty naughty…. Bad advice.

    You should definitely be able to:
    1. Avoid the fine for late reg (so long as it was reasonable…. E.g up to a month… Ok…. 4 months? No chance.
    2. Avoid any non payment fines / administration charges.
    3. Ask for consideration to be given to reduce other fines (possible).

    Go to court.

    • [Deactivated] on 08/04/2016 - 16:50

      Avoid the fine for late reg (so long as it was reasonable…. E.g up to a month… Ok….

      Care to share the good stuff that you've been smoking?

  • Jules_d1 on 08/04/2016 - 08:14

    1. I feel the rego issue is on you. You have sufficient documentation to know when your registration is due. I know approximately when mine is due each year so if I felt it was getting close to expiry and I hadn't been notified, I would check. I don't think you can get out of this.

    2. As for the multiple fines, well, you broke the law multiple times so you will have to pay them. You are expected to know the road laws if you take to the road and shouldn't have to be warned by law enforcement not to break it. As others have said, if you drive compliantly, none of this would be an issue.

    3. In regards to additional penalties for lack of payment on the infringements, I think you can argue that one with them. You had supplied them with your current address yet they sent it to the old one. If you had no idea of the fines, you cannot be expected to pay them in a timely manner.

  • JimmyF on 08/04/2016 - 09:36
    +1

    Drivers licence and car rego and two different things and not linked. Changing the address on one, doesn't update the other! Live and learn for next time. Also car insurance while you're at it needs the address changed manually as well (you do have car insurance right?)

    As for rego reminders, yeah no sticker is a pain. Put a reminder in the calendar to make sure its arrived and paid for by a certain date.

    You can check the rego status any time on the vicroads website, shows you the expiry date in case you forget when it is.

    https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/buy-sell-or-tra…

    As for the speeding fines/red light fines etc, well you did them, so you have to pay for them. Maybe write a letter asking for the 'extra fees/penalties' to be waived due to going to the wrong address. Saying you're willing to pay the original fine amounts if you had known about them.

  • Justtip on 08/04/2016 - 10:17
    +1

    My girlfriend had a similar situation (in SA), where she was fined with two parking fines on university grounds on two separate occassions. She doesn't remember getting them stuck to her car/scooter and they became overdue. The overdue notices were sent to her parents' house in Melbourne and they had just moved house too! So basically, about 6 months passed and she eventually had a court summons forwarded to her from her parents in Melbourne when they tracked down their old mail. The fines were for over $2k total.
    She freaked out so I called the council (who issues the fines for the uni iirc) and the helpful lady on the end of the phone said there's a form and appeals process you can go through in these cases of change of address. It was like a 'Form 28' or something. I tried looking it up just now but couldnt find it.
    In the end she was successful and they reverted all her fines back to the original of about $190 or so for both fines.
    Caveats: 1) I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, just an anecdote you may find helpful. 2) This was is in SA and therefore different laws, but perhaps you could find a similar appeals process. 3) As far as I'm aware, traffic infringements (parking and speeding fines) are civil whereas registrations falls under criminal law (happy to be corrected) and therefore you may not be able to get out of the deregistered vehicle fine.
    Anyhoo, end of essay, good luck!
    Ps I don't know if this helped me but if you pretend you're doing it for your significant other and are super apologetic they may be less likely to become defensive and more likely to help you out - being nice goes a long way :)

    • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2016 - 04:17

      As far as I'm aware, traffic infringements (parking and speeding fines) are civil whereas registrations falls under criminal law

      Traffic infringements, parking infringements and registration offences are all theoretically within the realm of criminal law. Sure, a traffic, parking or registration misdemeanour won't brand you as a criminal (unless the infringements are ignored or are repetitive in nature) but the fact that it is legally enforeceable would suggest that these are criminal matters.

  • sirrobin on 08/04/2016 - 11:26

    go to court, explain it to the magistrate (plead guilty and admit your mistake). theres a very good chance your late payment penalties will be waived

  • frostman on 08/04/2016 - 16:38
    -1

    cant be bothered reading this

    • Dr Techno on 08/04/2016 - 21:47
      -1

      Short version, less hassle to not own a car.. ;-)

  • Economical on 24/12/2017 - 05:24
    +1

    I wish all the OZbargainers Merry Christmas and a Happy new year!

    Further, i wish to notify that this matter has resolved now after a long drawn out battle with Civic Compliance. We took it to the magistrate court and paid less than 1/5th of the total bill we had received.

    Following things helped a lot in convincing the judge in our hearing. It took judge few minutes to understand the issue and ascertain appropriate amount of fine.

    1) Proof of change in Address with Vic roads for the Car. We had sent an email to Vicroads for that. Generally people do it on phone. Glad we used both the methods.
    2) Immaculate driving history for past 5 years for both of us and
    3) An apology letter from VicRoads which clearly stated that the fault was on their system.

    I thank all the ozbargainers for taking out time for discussion here. Some great suggestions helped us in investigating more and developing confidence to fight it till last.

    Finally, I would say - to err is only human. Despite our best efforts, faults may happen. And they may happen from either sides. We just have to acknowledge, apologize and be panalized for our portion of the problem. We should challenge any undue penalties!

    Finally, a positve and convincing outcome for us. Thank you all again for all the info, encouragement and precious time.

    Merry Xmas and be safe!

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