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I don't think it actually does anything like many beauty products.
Vitamin c and vitamin a are the two proven skin treatments that will help. Vitamin a you get in script form from your doctor and you use at night. It is a cream. If you are concerned about the stability of vitamin c, you can make your own up easily. Lots of how tos on the net.
The other key are exfoliation, both mechanical and chemical. Micros and peels. You can buy you own peel solution online and can exfoliate mechanically with a Korean Italy towel or similar.
Partial damage via needling and pixel treatments force your skin to produce collagen. Google how much your collagen decreases as you get older and you will understand why people get saggy skin
Sunscreen
Anyone remember this song?
Thanks TA.
Probably placebo
yeh all those research on Vitamin C are placebos and scams. Fruit and vegetables are scams too!!
Ughhh… You are accusing fruit to be a scam?
Everything I don't like or don't personally believe in is a scam / placebo / snakeoil.
Sarcasms are scams too.
Or fruit is a troll.
Which research would that be?
There are plenty of peer reviewed journals on the positive effects of topically applied vitamin C, if you know how to search for peer reviewed journals (and no I'm not referring to articles sponsored by X company). There are also thousands of reviews from real people with real problems who have had good experiences.
Whether you want to be ignorant or not is your choice. If you want to be narrow minded and believe it's snake oil then good for you.
Don't call someone ignorant for asking for research. That's not ignorant, that is a healthy level of skepticism. Your dismissive response and citing "real people with real problems who have had good experiences." sounds like some serious level of BS.
The irony is that there is evidence, in certain circumstances that topical vitamin C provides benefits to sun damaged skin.
So here is an actual answer to dzhay's question:
Peer reviewed research
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1034/j.1600-0625.2003.…
http://archotol.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleID=50985…I didn't call him ignorant, I said if you want to be and if you want to ignore the research.
There are plenty of reviews online from beauty and skincare blogs. I wouldn't be too surprised if, you being a guy I assume, have never come across those blogs or review sites specifically made for cosmetics and skincare products, hence the high level skeptism that reviews exist? I also wouldn't be too surprised if you/most guys dismiss those reviews immediately, simply because it's not scientific enough our maybe all those people have been brainwashed.
One thing to keep in mind with skincare and cosmetics is that, just because it didn't work for me, doesn't mean it won't work for you. Everyone's skin is different. These products aren't like toasters where it works no matter who uses it.
It is actually best to assume most Vitamin PRODUCTS are placebos, unless proven otherwise. No one is disputing vitamins themselves in your body are functional, there is significant evidence for that. But for a product to be effective there are numerous additional conditions it needs to satisfy.
1) Must actually address an deficiency ie the body doesn't already have enough. Most vitamins have a point which beyond which they have no benefit, so additonal vitamin might not be doing anything at all.
2) Must be in a form/application which the body can actually use
3) Must be in a dose that is actually significant.2 & 3 are where numerous vitamin products fail. Although they technically have the vitamin in them, they rarely have enough or arent in a form where a significant amount can be absorbed.
I'm not saying this product DOESNT provide those things, but there is a significant threshold of proof required to ensure that it does, and your snarky response is an extremely unscientific way to approach the issue.
In this case there is evidence that it can help sun damage. But it is a good idea to demand evidence and remain skeptical till proven otherwise http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1034/j.1600-0625.2003.…
http://archotol.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleID=50985…Are your points referring to vitamins you take orally or applied topically for the sole purpose of improving skin problems?
Point 1 doesn't apply, these serums aren't made to address deficiency, but rather help skin repair itself.
Point 2, sort of. Vitamin c is an unstable compound, the formula must be optimal for the compound to work effectively. This may be why some brands and formulas are more expensive. Some people don't seem to understand that you're not only paying for the main ingredient.
Point 3, yes true. Being something you apply on your face, you don't it to burn your face though.
If it was a scientific question/statement to begin with, I would have replied accordingly.
But it is a good idea to demand evidence and remain skeptical till proven otherwise
Yes, like few years ago when I didn't know about the helpful effects of vit c. I've found papers dating back to the 1990s, vit c wasn't just discovered yesterday.
Are your points referring to vitamins you take orally or applied topically for the sole purpose of improving skin problems?
Let's stop beating around the bush here, in all honesty we just wanna know what happens if you jam 'em up your klacka! :P
Dunno, maybe ask the people who believe it's snake oil. I guess if I rubbed Panadol onto my skin (expecting it to relieve my headache) instead of following the instructions, I would probably call it snake oil too. ;)
@Ughhh: Look, I'll be honest, I came in here first thinking it was BS, but after reading some of the studies (ok, just the abstracts) it looks like there might be more to it…so I learned a little summin today!
Now, to find some volunteers for a double blind study on rectal route efficacy!!! ;)
Thanks OP
OrderedI make my own, but good to see how this will compare.
For first time users, leave on for 20 minutes before putting anything else on otherwise it won't reach maximum effectiveness, also should have a pH of around 3 since it can't penetrate the skins barrier as well. Keep the serum away from light and heat, or it will degrade, keeping it in the fridge will make it last longer.
You can tell how old it is by the colour, usually it's a clear colour, if it's orange it's old, wouldn't recommend using it since it can turn your skin orange. Don't know how you can tell with this bottle, I usually use a bottle dropper to tell with mine.
I have some of those pH strips, don't know how accurate they are, but I'll try and see what pH this serum is.
how did you make your own?
I followed this
https://www.reddit.com/r/SkincareAddiction/comments/1lfm47/d…There are a lot more other ingredients you can add, mine is pretty bare bones.
I tried making my own, this is what happened: http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/OompaLoompa2.jpg
YMMV, however…
Hi cafemocha did you end up doing this? I tested my own diy vit c serum which had a pH about 3-4 while the sample I got from optilife sadly had a pH about 6.
https://postimg.org/image/7wzzw263j/ (top strip is optilife vs bottom strip which is a diy)I do appreciate the ingredients and free sample though. But shame about the pH.
No I didn't, I recently moved so the sample got sent to my old address, so I never got it.
Guess it doesn't matter since it would be kind of ineffective being at a pH of 6.I support as much of an all natural formula like this product, so was sad to see the pH result :( . As much as I dislike the idea of preservatives and stabilizers, I can almost sort of now see the case being made for them in commercial products.
seems like a natural product thanks OP
Tested on animals
Naturally, humans are part of the animal group.. Some people can act and behave too much like animal.
Unlike animals, unfortunately many humans choose to be arseholes…
that is an insult to animals.
Thanks TA.
From someone who is very picky on skincare products, and who has done a fair bit of google-ing on Vit C serums in the past, the ingredients in this look good. No questionable stuff. http://optilife.com.au/product/vitamin-c-serum
Although one ingredient this lacks is "ferulic acid" which supposedly stabilizes and preserves the vit C. But regardless, free bottle. No complaints, thanks much :)