So today I think a redlight camera was triggered at my car. I didn't cross the intersection. Some random guy was tailgating me so I was being careful and stopped at the redlight but my front tires may have touched the white line. Other than that, I was at a complete stop and didn't cross the intersection or wasn't even protruding in the pedestrian crossing section.
Am I at fault of a redlight infringement in this case?
Thanks in advance!
this is my understanding as well. I think they state that the camera takes two photos of the back of your car, there was no way they took photos of the back of my car.
Haha just realized your user name, you play assassin's Creed?
ditto :D so much so that I learnt a lot about history along the way :D
Should be EZIO but whatever! I'm hanging for the Ezio remastered collection for PS4 :)
Ive had this exact argument with my dad and mates. So to settle it we rang up a local police station to enquire exactly what constitutes running a red. They told us that 1. you have not intentionally being trying to run the red light (obvious but thats the law). 2. Not impede a pedestrian crossing.
As for the light, you'd know if it went off or not. Ive had a few times where I thought 'oh shit I set off a RLC' and wasnt sure. Now ive seen a few people go through at night and theres no mistaking it. Its like a lightning bolt its so bright. 1 time a guy got sick of waiting for the turn right green arrow, so he changed lanes to go straight, set off the pressure plate and went straight through the intersection and set off the light. I wonder if that counts as running a red.
It won't be a pressure plate, it'd last five minutes in normal traffic. It's more likely to be an induction loop - a coil of wire buried beneath the surface of the road and it detects big lumps of metal (cars, trucks etc.). You can often see grooves cut into a road surface where they've installed them.
Which state ?
NSW mate
Nothing to worry about.
My understanding these cameras will take multiple photos to show you are in the middle of the intersection.
I'd say wait for the fine and explore your options if/when it arrives.
thanks mate, hopefully that'll be the case :)
In NSW, you generally get given two photos of the offence. First photo shows when you first trigger the event and a subsequent photo showing you clearly committing an offence. If you have only done the first part you should be ok. I say should because technically, if your car is over the white painted lines on the road (which they would need to be to trigger either the road surface embedded detectors or the radar detectors), then you have technically committed an offence. Hopefully, common sense prevails in your case!
@resubaehtgnolhcs: hopefully, best to wait till I get the notice and go from there I guess :) thanks mate
@enzioFirenze: I was in a similar situation as you.
Did not recieve a fine from past 5 months.
Dont stress you will be good.
Even if you cross the first line and reversed, they still let you off. Coz people make silly mistakes all the time.
good for you! if it's in VIC, you don't get any proof other than "failed to comply safety camera rules" or something similar. Only a statement. If you want a photo, you gotta go great length to almost like challenging them. Yes i said challenging them because they feel "challenged" whenever you ask for a proof of your offense.
You get sent a link to view the photos online
You can go here:
https://online.fines.vic.gov.au/fines/secure/authenticate.asā¦
And enter details on your infringement notice to see images
@twister292: thank you..the last time i got a fine was year 2005, more than 11yrs ago lol.. but of course hopefully that i don't have to ever used the link.
How do you know it went off for you?
Might of been a false trigger, remote testing or anything else
Wait for the fine in the mail, then pick your options from there
yeah I'm not quite sure whether it went off for me either, thanks mate :)
If some random guy was tailgating you they will not have a photo of your plate.
they certainly won't have a photo of the tailgater I guess :)
by that logic, what about everyone going the other direction?
if you stopped on the white line, you will be fine, the trigger wire for the camera is after the white line
I definitely did not exceed the speed limit. It was 70 and I was at a complete stop.
The cameras take a calibration photo every so often. You'll be right
Most likely this and most are also now connected via ethernet and as you said could be remotely testing it to ensure quality / calibration and compliance is met
I have had a speed camera Van in QLD flash me twice, once I was doing 30km in a 40km zone due to peak hour, got a white flash, no fine in the mail but had me thinking for 10 days wtf did I do
Second time, I got flashed, turned around and spoke to the operator (yes you can do that here) and he laughed and basically was stuffing around with the flash unit test button, no fine, no issues but told him not to joke around like that again with people, he was cool and showed me the inner workings of the whole system
I will probably say if you didn't break the law you should be fine OP
that makes sense, this was around 2am though so unless it was automated testing, don't think somebody would stay up till 2am on a Saturday ;) oh may be they do since it's not the peak hour :) but yeah, it's the waiting that sucks big time.
Their eagle vision is strong.
I know you can check demerits online
maybe do that for peace of mind, they usually upload those results faster than you get the fine
I wouldn't know NSW but for QLD it is usually 48 hours to post the points until you contest and have the fine reversed / overturned
@studiosoundguy: thanks mate, good to know, will check that probably on Tuesday to give it two working days :)
It depends I guess on a number of factors
the system is somewhat realtime
speeders / law breakers could run up 100 demerits in a day if it wasnt
A camera / van / roadside unit might be delayed but a copper pulling you up and handing you a ticket will usually update it right off the bat
@studiosoundguy: I dont know where you're getting your info from. What happens if someone besides the registered owner is driving? When you nominate the actual driver they don't deduct points and charge them on the other person. Points apply once you pay the fine. I think they recently changed the rules where the points are backdated to the original offence date but can't be sure about it. You can easily run up 100s of points in a day,but you can also get them waived as it usually 1 fine type per day. However of course if you have committed multiple different offences then you're out of luck. Eg you should be able to get out of 5 speeding fines on the same road on the same day. But not a speeding and red light.
i had a speed camera flash when i was doing 20km in a 60km zone, went back and thats what it was
better not to worry much then, thanks mate :)
i wouldn't worry, even if u get done, its not worth worrying about.
i think when your 85 and on your death bed, you are going to recall this day and think why t f did i worry
Thanks guys, I'm gonna wait and see whether I'm getting an infringement notice and will update the thread accordingly for future reference :)
Lol no they go off all the time. They will look at the photo and see your car did not cross
hopefully that'll be the case :) thanks mate
It's happened to me before, no fine. They take two photos and will only fine you if you actually go through the intersection.
thanks mate :)
You'll be right. Sometimes they do a blitz where they'll take photos just to check if you're on the phone. They did it recently in QLD.
hopefully that'll be the case :) thanks mate
What if it wasnt the camera, but the tailgater flashing his high beams at you? Just a thought.
the light definitely flashed in front of me.
the light definitely flashed in front of me.
Whatever you do, don't walk into it…
I have personal experience of this. My tyres went over the line and the camera flashed twice. Obviously when a human reviewed the photo before sending out the fine they saw that I hadn't run the red light and the fine never arrived.
yup, that's what happened to me as well :)
you should look out for deals on opal until your 3 year licence suspension expires.
but seriously if you didn't cross intersection you are fine. you need to be flashed at two spots before you are fined.
thanks mate :) and no go with Opal, where I live and where I want to get to doesn't have a direct route and too much hassle with public transport, not to mention driving is way cheaper. :D
Some cameras can flash randomly at times due to various reasons (calibration etc)
There's one near where i live, last week it was flashing every few seconds even when the lights were green…
hopefully that'll be the case :) thanks mate
Don't stress mate, you will not receive any fine.
Firstly, sometimes camera flashes randomly.
Secondly, I have experienced the same multiple times camera flashing when stopped at red lights.
Thirdly, red light camera take 2 pictues(atleast) after an interval as an evidence to show car crossing intersection while the lights red.In your case you didn't.
Lastly, These pictures always checked/verified by a person before sending through an infringement.
I am positive, you will not receive anything as the officer will disregard the pictures taken from the camera.
btw, I am in VIC so hopefully same applies in NSW
I hope it's the same in NSW, thanks mate :)
You wont get a ticket unless you went right through the crossing. You have nothing to be concerned about.
cool, thanks mate :)
Why do people get so worried about tailgaters?
If he hits you it's his fault.
I am not going to go over the speed limit just because they want to.
Just ignore them.
I don't usually care but at 2am, I'm a bit weary of them.
It's more on the fact that it's a inconvenience of getting quotes, repairs for something you did nothing wrong about. Even if you're not out of pocket.
Have you ever been in the right and dealt with insurance?
My wife's station wagon was T-boned on a roundabout by a lady who was looking for traffic coming onto the roundabout but didn't check to see if my wife who was in front of her had cleared it before hitting the accelerator pedal.
What followed was 2 months of hell looking for another car, trying to juggle who had access to the car, getting our stuff back from the car which had been sold for scrap before we were asked to come in and collect our stuff.
The only positive is that my children who were in the car were not injured in what could have been a life changing event.
They won't even send a fine as far as I know. They'll see that it was incorrectly taking a photo (as you didn't cross the intersection) and dump the fine.
I'm pretty sure this has happened to me a few times, but I've never received a fine for it.
hopefully that'll be the case :) thanks mate
Wouldn't worry. The camera definitely takes multiple photos, first photo to prove that you crossed line on a red light and second pic to show that you then proceeded through the intersection.
I know from personal experience. In my case I got fined, and they had a link to go view pics to prove that I had gone through the red light.
hopefully I wouldn't get a fine but if I do, I think I can successfully contend that :) thanks mate
could be a tourist taking pictures at the intersection.
I wouldn't worry!
I saw red light infringement of a family friend, camera takes 2 photos.
One when the red light was on and the second about 2 seconds after to check if the person was actually running a red light or not.
If you do get the ticket, just check the photos online and go on from there !
Hope this helped :)!
It happened to me at the intersection George st x Pitt x Lee St a few years back, it triggered the camera but I never got a fine. my car even got over the pedestrian line.. maybe it was luck…..
Well here is the relevant clause from the road rules…
56 Stopping for a red traffic light or arrow
(1) A driver approaching or at traffic lights showing a red traffic light must stop:
(a) if there is a stop line at or near the traffic lights-as near as practicable to, but before reaching, the stop line
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/ā¦
As this is Australia those black rubber things which contact the road are TYRES nor tires unless you are worn out easily
Nothing to worry. Some camera light will always flash when the traffic light turn red regardless if there is any car. Probably it's simplier to just take the photo and see if it catches any compared to relying on a motion detector to trigger, and also act as a deterrent.
Mine was triggered in Victoria, the camera took good flashes and no car behind me but I didnt cross the intersection, no fine till now its 3 months today.
as far as you dont cross I guess there is a benefit of doubt when they review the photos.
this happened to me about 2 months back. i didnt crossed the intersection, but the camera snapped. i just didnt break early enough. so my car must have just touch the first stop line.
no letter till now, i think you would be alright too.
You'll be alright, you will never received any letter
This has happened to me before in VIC, light flashed twice and since my car was stationary shouldn't register as going through. I didn't receive an infringement and neither should you.
I don't think you have anything to worry about. If you said you didn't go into the intersection when the light was red, then you are fine. I know in Vic (not sure about NSW, but prob the same), the red light cameras take two photos. One of you crossing (or in this case touching the white line) and the second of you actually in the intersection. If you stopped, you may have triggered it, but that's it. It would have only taken one photo and they'll throw it out and classify it as a malfunction.
thanks guys, really appreciate all the suggestions and reassurances :)
Hi enzio,
I was going through the thread and found out yours for the red light speed camera flashed when you stopped over the solid line. I am also facing the same situation now in nsw and googled out to find more on this and found your thread. Looking at the resppnses gives me confidence that i should be fine.Do you got any fine for this. Thanks in advance
Hmm…I thought red light cameras triggered when back tires crossed white lines…I could be wrong. but I guess if you do get a fine, the letter will probably have a black and white image of you 'committing offense' You could argue that the vehicle hasn't even crossed a line, it's touched a line but hasn't crossed it. Then again I haven't been fined before…so yeh.