I Maybe Did Something Morally Wrong Today, Can I Get Some Opinions?

Hi OzBargain,

Odd story but I haven't been this clueless before about whether I'm in the wrong or not. I'll feel better if a whole gaggle of strangers tell me I'm in the wrong so at least I'll know.

I was the victim of a car accident a while ago. I was crossing a road with the green man flashing and a driver (young girl on her p's) hit me with her car at a fair bit of speed. I spent the night in hospital and was supposedly pretty lucky to have gotten out with as few injuries as I did, let alone with my life. I THINK she got done for reckless driving or something like that, not too sure as I never saw her again.

Since then though, I've always had a shocking back. It gives me grief all the time and stops me enjoying various activities I used to love. I missed a fair bit of work after the accident too (physical stuff in a warehouse) which was unfortunately unpaid as I was a casual. Thankfully there is the TAC who has been paying most of my physio bills since then which is a great safety net. After a bad relapse recently, I've realised that this bad back is probably going to be with me for life.

That was a pretty shitty realisation, which prompted me to write a letter to that girl who hit me. This is the part where maybe it was a bad decision. I had her address from the police so I dropped it off today and left my number inside. I explained my situation and kind of asked her for an apology (I used the word closure cause that's what I'm after), and also that it would be nice if she would pay for my initial doctors visit and the taxi ride back from the hospital that night which came out of my pocket.
I absolutely do not need the money, I just thought that perhaps that seemed like a way to make it right if you will, or sort of a attempt to amend. Not hearing a "sorry" always felt wrong to me, especially since she tried to add me on facebook after the accident.

Fast forward to now and I am getting a lot of abusive texts from her angry mother (who must have read the letter), threatening to call the police.

Am I being a psycho creeper? There's no way I'm going back there or trying to contact her again but I'm not too sure if the girl read my letter or just the mum did. If the mum keeps sending texts I might respond and tell her to simmer down, getting a bit hard to resist at the moment. Anyway, please let me know below so that I can sleep tonight either knowing that I'm a monster or just a little bit of a jerk.

Thank you for reading and have a ripper weekend

EDIT: A lot of thought provoking responses here, thank you everyone for reading and sharing. I've been told to "sue her" a lot in the past but didn't realise that meant it came out of CTP insurance (I have no clue about that kind of stuff). I'm going to make sure with a new physio that it's possible for a full recovery before I do anything that impacts on my life even further - I am not in a wheelchair or unable to do things myself or anything like that so fingers crossed on that.
Teeny and possibly slimy bit of self defence: I did not make this a case to chase down "a little girl", she would be at least 21 (or what I'd consider an adult) and I'm a few years older. If it was an L plater this would be an entirely different scenario and would be horrendous.

FINAL EDIT: After seeing a new physio, I am much more optimistic about my back recovery (although it will require a lot of work!) so thanks again for all your suggestions and concerns. I am at peace with my actions, not proud but also not apologetic.
In the end I (<keyword right there) had an issue with the fact that a complete stranger did not handle a particular situation in a way that I thought was morally appropriate. Which ironically was exactly their issue with my behaviour.
Human behaviour, what's up with that????

Not to dilute the tone of this post, but Larry David if you're reading this; you have my permission to turn this into an episode of Curb. bom-bom-bommmmmmmmmmm

Poll Options

  • 86
    you're the bad guy
  • 308
    what you did was okay
  • 171
    unsure, grey area

Comments

  • Firstly I hope you all the best in health and emotional happiness for the future.

    The penalty imposed would have been a small fine & possible short suspension of license, not a huge consequence for running into a pedestrian.

    Unless the timeframe has already passed I would pursue compensation through insurance, hopefully through the course of the insurance investigation this girl might get the reality check that's she's seriously injured someone, I wouldn't feel bad for her, people especially the young need to see the consequences of their actions. If she doesn't/didn't originally apologise for an at fault accident shows her lack of moral character. Accidents happen yes they do but a heatfelt apology while it doesn't the past it acknowledges the wrongdoing.

    If you honestly don't/want need money, there are many charities that can redistribute the insurance money, but know that there might be an emotional toll.

  • Stop being a (profanity) and tell her you want a apology, why did you even put a letter in her mailbox? Should of accepted her fb request and spoke to her on there…. Stop over worrying it will (profanity) you up even more… Take it slow b

    • Ahoy, it was a fb request that appeared in my notifications but was gone by the time i went to friend requests I ASSUME meaning it was cancelled/revoked. Yes definitely worrying has caused unnecessary grief

      • Is it all sorted now?

  • Just in terms of suing/compensating. Be careful. yes you are entitled to do this. But the trap most people fall is, they don't want to get better. They're scared if they get better, then the compensation they are entitled to will be diminished, so they become less committed to their rehabilitation to get better. Just promise yourself you'll do what's right for you (which I don't doubt you will after reading all the comments).

    Good luck OP

  • Yes, what you did was not correct but cannot blame you for it.

    It's akin to a bad relationship breakup and asking the person why and expecting the other person to apologise. You're imposing what you think they should be doing or who you think they are rather than being able to let go. This is extremely difficult to do - however, the question of why they did or did not do something will always haunt you until you find a way to move on.

    The girl probably needs to move on from it. As mentioned, you should have gone through the correct channel of a lawyer to contact rather than getting their details through another medium - but none of us are in your shoes and been through what you did so cannot blame you for it.

    I am guessing the apology would be more worthwhile than any restitution.

    All the best.

  • Good luck. I don't think you are a bad guy, but yeah so many people out there refuse to see the reality and admit that they are actually the wrong one. I'd say you're unlucky. I wish you luck.

  • Definitely get solicitors. TAC will attempt to cut off funding all treatment withing 12 months by sending you to doctors who will falsely write that you are 100% now, or that problems were preexisting or due to work etc etc. You will need legal to make sure that you are covered for life for ongoing medicals, such as if surgery is required down the track. If you have permanent impairment (after 12 months when all injuries have stabilised and there is a greater than x% of disability) then there will also be an amount awarded for that. It will come from insurance, not her. In court (which it will prob end up in at some point), I'd be getting the barrister to ask the magistrate to also make an order for a written apology from the driver. Do not add any randoms on fb etc. Most likely the other party has sort legal advice and has been asked to try and add you to find photos of you doing active things. Even the other solicitors will make fake fb accounts and try and add you.

    Imo I would't have sent them a letter personally. Should have been done through solicitors. I'm not sure how it works with this but if you keep getting harassed I believe you can visit your local police station and get them to file for an interim intervention order against the driver and her mother, to prevent them from contacting you anymore. Get in first before they do one against you!

    I think…only once you have reached an agreed amount with insurance, and you are not happy with it, then you sue the driver for further compensation. If she doesn't have the money it will be put on a payment plan. Again check all this with solicitors. I'd probably be going for a firm that has TAC experience, not just a 1 man show solicitor. Initial visit should be free anyway.

    Good Luck!

    • Also make sure you are getting all services possible, especially if you are living on your own, such as cleaning and gardening services, which TAC will fund with a Dr's referral.

      • Hi Sammy, thanks for your advice,
        In better news, my new physio thinks I can recover fully or almost with a bit of hard work. I wasn't keen on "suing" before (whether her or her CTP) and this good health news probably solidifies that.
        In response to more specific things in your post: I don't want a "court mandated" apology. I even felt weird having to ask for one (essentially) myself.
        With facebook, I barely use the thing. No tagged photos of me on there for yonksssss (maybe two years?) I know she added me and then withdrew her friend request as it appeared in my notifications. Would never add anyone i didn't know.
        Thanks again for your thoughts

        • How many months has your injury been so far? The longer it has been the longer it will take to recover. Don't just take the word of your physio as gospel and then 12 months later you're still sore and then have lost all chance to take any action. "Almost" means not 100% which means % disability which means some amount of compensation and recognised medicals for life for the back. Playing "nice" here means you will just lose out on your rights. You pay your rego, which is what TAC come from, so its your entitlement. You are not "scamming" the system. So don't feel guilty about covering your ass!

          Just remember TAC will attempt to cut off your physio around the 12 month mark. They will fund Dr visit and meds and thats about it. They will send you to an "independent" medical examiner who will say you are fine. Then it will be up to you to appeal. Get your foot in the door with a solicitor now to know you rights. It wont cost you anythng with the big firms that take on TAC clients. TAC will also send you to a rehab centre at some point which will have physio, ot, pain management, dr. However it is only exercise based physio. they will not lay one hand on you. During this time you will not be funded for any external physio (even your current one).

          TAC will either bully you or take advantage of your unwillingness to take action, as will any insurance company. Don't play good samaritan here. Your back and your rights come first before anyone else!

  • -2

    sue her candy ass and destroy any future she may possibly have. I'd absolutely destroy her life

  • Hi OP, you did what you did, don't worry about it anymore. It's not a bad thing you did, you just wanted some closure, though it sounds like you regret seeking for it the way you did. Either way I don't think any harm was done by what you did, her mother probably over-reacted/over-protective, just ignore her, and move on.
    Hopefully you back gets better with time.

  • 100% get compensation, this will be closure. Get legal advice. The driver's age and gender is not relevant.

    You need to fix this issue as soon as possible, before it becomes chronic and leads you into depression. You deserve good treatment without worrying about the cost or time. You also deserve to be compensated for days that you can't work. You owe this to yourself and your loved ones now and in the future.

  • Hey Mightyboost,

    This is coming from someone who teaches Restorative Justice Practices. I can understand what you are after as a victim but unfortunately you have gone about it all wrong. Your letter and its content have no doubt been received and interpreted in an adverse way. Predominately you want to impart to her the impact upon you and morally you would appreciate a face to face apology. This should be done in a conference controlled by a trained facilitator. Never underestimate the power of an apology to repair harm caused. The financial costs would pale if you were afforded this process.

    I don't know what state your in but if in NSW there is the Restorative Justice Unit that maybe able to assist. I assume most other states have something similar.

    Good luck.

    • Very much adverse! I made it clear that I would like to talk (and provdded my full name and address which is around the corner plus my phone number) but obviously this came on a little strong. I wanted to provide them so it didn't seem "stalker-y", but that didn't quite work.
      Thanks for your comment

  • As human we inadvertently made mistake from time to time. It's a grey area and I think you did a reasonable thing, dust yourself off and move on, whether it was good or bad in your opinion. There is no needs to beat yourself up too much about it ( it's the job of this world ).
    It's better for you to come in term what happened and move on. Rather than get tangle again into a legal battle. Think about the stress and sleepless that might causes.
    The choice is your. Godspeed.

    • +1

      Thanks frewer

      • You're most welcomed. Forgiveness is a hard thing that we all must learn. However, it is better in the long term for all whom involve in

  • Do what ever you feel you need to do regarding compensation only you know the extent of your injuries. But I dont think you should have sent the letter, having said that its too late now. Do not respond to the mother at all. If it gets too much change your number and learn from your mistakes. I understand you felt like you needed closure but it was an accident and maybe the attempt at contact before was for an apology. No one (sane) wants to injure anyone and she will have to live with what she has done for her life too. Move on with your life.

  • The woman and her mother sound like real winners. Ideally, she would be banned from ever driving again as opposed to receiving a slap on the wrist.

  • -1

    sue her, then she'll apologies rather then pay

  • -1

    Her address was not given to you for this reason.

    You were involved in an accident with a young (21 is young, if you think 21 is not young, you are probably still young yourself) and inexperienced driver and you are now contacting her at her home out of the blue. She has every right to be concerned that someone who she has done something bad to (obviously accidental by your tone and her not being charged) is now visiting her home unannounced.

    I still wouldn't contact someone like this this, but if you had posted the letter, it would have been quite different.

    Edit: I don't know how intimidating someone into a forced apology is going to give you any closure. The only thing an apology will be at this stage is "There is a jilted man rocking up to my house and if this will make sure he doesn't come near me again then so be it".

    If you want some legal form of recompense, contact a lawyer and do it professionally.

    • Hey cubist, thanks for your thoughts. Writing letters is new to me so I guess you could call me young mentally (if not physically as well).
      To clarify, I did deliver the letter myself rather than send it via post as their house is less than a 5 minute walk away. I did not arrive out of the blue nor write the letter at the door, but posted it through their mail slot.
      I did not mean to "intimidate" anyone into saying sorry, more that I tried to make it clear that it would make me feel much better it if they did… they didn't. Not after the money, more a sense of fairness/humanity

      • -1

        Need to see it from their perspective though. Your intentions and your level of vindictiveness are unknown to them.

        You have personally gone to their house and let them know that you have been outside where they sleep, and you are demanding something of them because you feel as though you have been wronged.

        At this point, you aren't going to get a sense of fairness or humanity, you are going to get whatever it takes for a jilted stranger to not be at their home. I'd personally be alerting the police and getting some kind of stat dec as a record, if someone who I had accidentally injured seriously was visiting my property unannounced with demands.

    • Can the OP not seek a private settlement with driver?

      Is it not inappropriate for the driver to be insulated on basis she's a female whom is 21 years old?

      • -1

        Sure can. Dropping by someones house, not letting them know you are there, and leaving a demand in the letterbox isn't a professional or civil way to go about it.

        I never said anything about her being female. That's your view of women being helpless. I did say something about age. 21 is young and most 21 year olds are not experienced in legal matters. That is the reason you approach a situation professionally. Especially not emotional situations where someone is demanding sincerity… which obviously the person either doesn't know how to present, or doesn't feel in the first place.

  • You are entitled to claims under CTP and i think you should go for them

  • Hi sorry to hear about your accident.
    The first thing i want to suggest you to go and see the lawyer near your home.
    there is no win no fee in cases like this and first consultation is always free with someone like shine or slator and gordan lawyers And if you win they will take their fees from that amount.so you have nothing to lose according to me.
    you may be eligible to receive some lump sump amount which is called pain and suffering as you have to live with this forever and you have to compromise with your lifestyle.
    They will be the best person to tell you.
    By doing this the lawyers will deal either with that girl's insurance company or Tac.

    As this type of personal health or any kind of physical loss and damages are included in the policy premiums we pay to our insurance companies.
    Also you can also tell them that her mother is harrassing you.
    Also google compensation process for road accidents to know how things work.
    Dont put up with this anymore.

    I wish you all the best and speedy recovery.

  • +1

    I THINK she got done for reckless driving or something like that, not too sure as I never saw her again.

    And what does that entail? A finger waggle from the system? $100 says she was texting or some shit while driving.

  • I had a similar accident, a woman with a car load of kids none in seat belts ploughed into the side of my fairly new car because she failed to look when coming out of a side street. At the scene she was treated like the poor victim in her low cut mini skirt … flashing her eyes at the young cops that attended. No charges were laid against her.. :-(
    Luckily I had comp insurance but had to suffer many weeks without it when being repaired (very roughly btw). I had a young family at the time and this caused much inconvenience.
    She never hinted at being sorry let alone nearly writing off my car.
    Such is life mate… scumbags & filth are everywhere and some may even be reading your post or even commenting on it.
    Get your car fixed and get as much treatment for your back as you can. It may or may not be a permanent disability. Without definite professional diagnosis you will not know for sure, so until then just go hard on the physio and keep your dr regularly updated in case you have to pursue the matter further.
    As for your letter… most likely a silly move and serves no purpose at all. The girl probably only cares about her stinking phone and the text she had not finished typing.

    • Hey xy, I'm sorry to hear about your accident. I hope at least her kids are okay belt-less (they are not to blame).
      What I've learned from this post is that it helps to talk about it. I'm not much of a talker, but I really had a need for community outreach at this stage and went for it. You might be holding onto things you didn't know about.
      This was actually my 5th car crash in the 8 years I've been driving (although I wasn't in the car for this one), 2 with me being parked on the side of the street (does that count?) and 2 more being rear ended at a red light/stop sign.
      Considering none of these were my fault and I only got a "sorry" from one of them, I think perhaps I balled them all together as bad drivers and aimed them at this one driver I conveniently had the details of. That's something you shouldn't do.
      It's a very shit thing to happen to you, and if you choose to write a letter like me I'd say don't send it or mail it to yourself. I hope putting it into words has helped alleviate some frustration that others have put onto you

      • My experience was over 40 years ago.. :-( Definitely not a problem to me.. moved on pretty quickly. Life always has another trick around the corner for us and we must deal with it and keep the ball rolling.
        I have had much worse things happen than that and not car related!! LOL
        Man you have had some hits??? In all my years of driving I have never had one worse than the one mentioned.. been hit by tailgaters a few times though. Fronted one guy once that I saw throw his door open onto my car… instantly denied the mark and that he did it.. Was a typical bogan type and apart from telling him exactly what I thought he was I just left it, never a chance getting $'s out of those type for repairs and never get an apology.
        You can rarely ever change people and expecting a sincere apology from some is just a joke, they don't have it in them so just mark it up as another life experience and forget it.
        If I was you I would start being very choosy about where I parked in future.. it seems like they are all out to get you??

        • +1

          Good to hear to know you at least know yourself then. You're a bigger person than I for placing so much weight on one incident. But I suppose it's about picking battles hey. It would appear I am a crash magnet of sorts haha

  • What you did seems completely reasonable and did not at all warrant the response her mother gave IMHO. Her daughter helped inflict a lifelong, lasting injury and the last thing she should have done was to abuse you. That is completely bonkers. She should've apologise on her behalf or just get her to do it. It's just simple, basic courtesy. She was driving her 1 tonne+ piece of machinery and from her negligence she inflicted your injury. Your request for being compensated for the taxi ride and the appointment is so minimal and so ridiculously reasonable, she should have just obliged. It's just basic courtesy. I'd see a lawyer and sue to get compensated as they don't deserve any bit of restraint IMO.

  • I dont think there is a clear right or wrong on what you did. If it was me I think I might do the same too. Life is too short to care bout what other ppl think, as long as you can answer ur actions to yourself in the end of the day then its fine. The girl sounds like she is still quite young so I dont blame the mother for what she did to protect her. I believe though when she gets mature enough, eventually one day she will come around and give you the apology you deserve.

  • +1

    Please attach a copy of the full letter you sent to her to allow us to analyze the case further.

  • Hire a lawyer to challenge the police on why they did not lay more serious charges.

  • -3

    Don't show sympathy on her. Long back I wanted to meet a girl who dropped her wallet on the road. I asked her to come over to a public place to hand it over. I waited for an hour but she din turned up however she sent her BF to collect the wallet she missed as if I'm gonna moleste. From then, I stopped showing freaking courtesy towards girls.

    The guys who wanna make fun of it, go ahead :D

  • I think her trying to add you on Facebook was her trying to get the chance to say sorry.

    Take that. That is your closure.

  • follow her car one day and when she tets out hit her with sledge hammer to the back. That way you are all even.

  • First thought; driver is an adult; there's expectations she be accountable/cognisant of/for her actions.

    Don't see issue with OP contacting driver. There's expected norms though given described events I don't think OP erred. (Common sense prevails; if you don't really need the money don't ask for it).

    The mother: it seems unreasonable/uncivil to respond to OP at all, let alone with abuse. I.E; mother is not a party involved.

    I'd imagine OP's mother is abusing OP to dissuade OP from pursuing/seeking further reimbursement. I.E; mother attacks OP to discredit in anticipation of pursuant civil action.

  • Forget Larry, this is more like Frasier.

  • even though you may not want to sue you also have to look at the possibility that now she has got away with it who is to say that she may do it again and next time it may be a young boy or girl and the ending of it could end up at the morgue

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