Best Place to Look for 2nd Hand Cars

confuzzl3don3 on 24/02/2017 - 16:57

Hey fellow wise Ozbargainers,

I am looking to purchase a 2nd hand car but know next to nothing about cars in general. Currently running on my parent's old toyota camry but it's got a v6 engine and guzzling gas like crazy. Does anyone know a good place - website or dealerships for reliable 2nd hand cars, or even better yet hit me up with some recommendations for actual cars.

Main things I'm looking for is:
a) Fuel efficient
b) Budget looking around 10kish give or take, obviously just after a good bargain.
c) Automatic
d) Small car, 4 seater. Hatchback gives more boot space?
e) Air con
f) Good safety, reliable, longevity, low maintenance

And for perks but not essential
- rear sensors/camera
- automatic windows
- good resell value
- GPS
- looks good =)

Friend has recommended pickles.com and pointed me towards holden cruze. Also heard good things about fleet cars being usually kept well with minimal wear and tear so good for 2nd cars?

Any advice for this car newbie would be much appreciated.
Cheers

Automotive

Comments

  • [Deactivated] on 24/02/2017 - 17:03
    +9

    carsales.com.au

    • mskeggs on 24/02/2017 - 18:06
      +4

      Carsales is better if you need something specific, gumtree is better for cheap when you are open to whichever is the best deal at the moment

      • confuzzl3don3 on 24/02/2017 - 22:56

        I was told that with gumtree there's less reliability that the car would be sound so to speak ie. hadn't previously been written off or tampered with, etc compared with dealerships/websites like carsales.com. Given my car knowledge is poor I'm not going to know if I'm being ripped off or not if I see something I think is a bargain…

        • mskeggs on 24/02/2017 - 22:58
          +6

          I don't think carsales would give any enhanced safety.
          A dealer might offer a small degree of reliability, but try returning car to a dealer if the engine blows up 5 weeks after you bought it!

        • spackbace on 25/02/2017 - 02:41
          +3

          @mskeggs:

          Under 10yrs and 150,000km old you're covered by a limited 3 month/5000km warranty. Key point is limited though, but would cover a dead engine ;)

        • rysith on 25/02/2017 - 10:27

          Hey confuzzl3don3 I can't send you messages, can you send me a message?

        • TheOneWhoGotAway on 26/02/2017 - 21:52

          @Spackbace:
          Is carsale.com offer this?
          Or are you talking about the physical dealers who sell 2nd hand?

        • spackbace on 26/02/2017 - 22:14

          @TheOneWhoGotAway:

          Actual dealers… Carsales doesn't sell cars, it lists ads…

      • vinni9284 on 26/02/2017 - 12:20
        +4

        Agree with mskeggs.

        With Gumtree though, you have to be very very careful as there are a mix of honest and dishonest sellers.
        If you decide to buy off Gumtree and are happy with the car after your first visit, I would strongly suggest to bring a person on a second visit that has knowledge on cars.

        Or you can negotiate to the seller that you would like to take the vehicle to a garage for a thorough preliminary inspection before purchase.
        If they dodge that request than it's a good sign that there is something to hide.

        Cheers

    • dealman on 26/02/2017 - 11:11
      +1

      carsales.com.au

      If you want

      Best Place to Look

      Look for Private Sellers only. Never buy from a dealer, imho.

      • vinni9284 on 26/02/2017 - 12:22
        +3

        The good thing about a dealer is that they have to supply a statutory 3 month warranty for a vehicle sold over $10K.
        At least that is some protection for the buyer.

        But I wouldn't still trust them though lol :-)

        Cheers

        • dealman on 26/02/2017 - 22:19
          +2

          Watch them wiggle away when you try to claim anything in a warranty.. I'd much rather trust a private buyer after due checks.

        • spackbace on 27/02/2017 - 01:06
          +3

          @dealman:

          I'd much rather trust a private buyer after due checks.

          Car dies within a month:
          Dealer - complain, go to ACCC to resolve
          Private - complain, go to small claims

          Either way you'd be stuffed, but there's more chances of getting a resolution if it was bought from a dealer. Just how it is

        • vinni9284 on 27/02/2017 - 09:59
          +1

          @dealman: It's like any type of insurance. To pay they have a welcome mat for you with a nice colourful brochure and a starting pack.

          To claim, they send you on a roller coaster ride and suffer memory loss.

          They can wiggle their way as much as they can but if you can prove that it is their incompetence that caused the issue then you have at least some type of support.

          You have to play the game. Preliminary inspection from a qualified 3rd party after purchase, written diagnostics etc … written and noted. Some proof that can cause the wiggles to subside.

          It depends on how committed and patient you are to follow up and fight.

          Cheers

        • dealman on 27/02/2017 - 10:31

          @vinni9284:

          I guess so.. I'm just tired of picking fights and following through.. I'd much rather take the upfront discount and the risk on an old aussie make trusty Ford /Holden or Toyota from a private seller, cheap maintenance lots of mechanics.

        • vinni9284 on 27/02/2017 - 10:57

          @dealman:

          Once again, it depends on the car you are potentially purchasing and your background knowledge of cars in general.

          Although I agree that our local cars are less maintenance cost than our european/asian counterparts, however go get a quote to recondition a 2006+ model Ford Falcon ZF 6 speed transmission.

          Normally its predecessor; the 4-Speed barra box is priced well (~$1300) but the 6 speed is usually POA with these transmission places. Get ready to take a seat when they quote your around $6K for it.

          I have a BA Falcon and the parts were competitively priced a few years back. The cost for a Door Actuator was around $120. Go now and get a quote for it. It's more like $200+. They jack up the prices for the parts for a very common issue.

          The Holden part prices will follow suit once Holden closes this year IMO.

          At the end of the day (as I have posted this earlier) it's good to negotiate a pre-inspection with the seller.

          Cheers

  • nivag01 on 24/02/2017 - 17:08

    what was your budget or how old a vehicle do you want?

    • Cheap Charlie on 24/02/2017 - 17:12
      +2

      b) Budget looking around 10kish give or take, obviously just after a good bargain

  • follow on 24/02/2017 - 17:13
    +1

    gumtree

  • Cheap Charlie on 24/02/2017 - 17:13
    +21

    Currently running on my parent's old toyota camry

    On the roof or bonnet?

  • mr fox on 24/02/2017 - 17:45
    +1

    It's a buyers market, remember that when you're negotiating.

  • RobMel on 24/02/2017 - 18:17
    +4

    I always go to carsales.com.au
    Make sure you ask a friend to come along when you look at cars.
    Consider total cost of ownership, key real costs are maintenance/repair and depreciation (loss of value over time).

    Good car brands for overall cheap reliable car:
    - Nissan, Tiida hatch ..
    - Toyota
    - Recent Hyundai i30?
    - Great Wall, just kidding, RUN away from those

    When you buy make sure you do online check for vehicle, was offered car once with incumbrance. Made sure it was cleared.
    Check for rego and tyres cost few $100 each to address. If tyres worn down or rego low, ask for lower price.
    Make sure it is clean and in good condition inside out, otherwise indicates at least neglect if not more.
    Ideally has recent major service, avoids costly service coming up.
    Ideally would not go much above 100,000 km, check when timing belt is due and make sure was replaced when due.
    Also check insurance premium, can vary quite a bit for some cars.

    • confuzzl3don3 on 24/02/2017 - 22:53

      Great advice mate. Where does one do this online check?

      • mskeggs on 24/02/2017 - 22:59
        +3

        https://www.ppsr.gov.au/
        is the online check to see if the car is encumbered (somebody owes a loan on it to a finance company) or is stolen.

        • goodcopbadcop on 26/02/2017 - 16:39
          +2

          and will also list if it is a repairable write-off - in other words has been in an accident and it has been repaired and now selling. It should be significantly cheaper if it has this history. Also if it has been repaired from hail damage.

        • decr on 26/02/2017 - 18:57

          @goodcopbadcop: This is important. I almost got burnt once because of the whole repairable write off issue with a car I was looking to buy, it's worth as much as you can get for it from the scrappers. Or dumb buyers if they fall for it.

  • supnigs super skids on 24/02/2017 - 18:38

    Toyota Yaris. Economical and reliable

  • PVA on 24/02/2017 - 18:45
    +5

    if you dont know anything about cars dont buy from an auction (pickles) or private as you may get burnt.
    Look at a Kia Rio, you can get a good 2013-2014 model for about $10,000. just bought one for our son. Nice car still with warranty to about 2018-19. has bluetooth, air, auto, lots of airbags. No gps or reverse camera though (but you can buy them cheap if you want later).

    • confuzzl3don3 on 24/02/2017 - 22:54

      is this just at a kia dealership? Or a specific place

      • PVA on 25/02/2017 - 19:18

        Was a used dealership on the gold coast. I am sure Sydney will have similar.

    • jpee on 26/02/2017 - 14:25
      +4

      +1 for a Kia
      Great on fuel, warranty is great.
      Don't buy a Holden cruize

      • TheOneWhoGotAway on 26/02/2017 - 21:55

        Peny for your experience?
        Their cruize sedans look pretty good priced (low that is)

        • jpee on 27/02/2017 - 10:44
          +4

          We own a cruize. Never ever again!
          Been recalled 3 times , issues that they can't fix. They are cheap because they are rubbish IMO.
          Also own a Kia - great car

        • TheOneWhoGotAway on 28/02/2017 - 20:46
          +1

          @jpee:

          Thanks for the tip.
          Which Kia? Got eyes on Cerato, looks like the medium range hatch/sedan

        • jpee on 02/03/2017 - 06:45
          +1

          @TheOneWhoGotAway:
          I've got a RIO , but anything after late 2014 I think it would be (just check when buying it ) would have 7 years warranty you can't go wrong IMO. The only other that comes close to that Is Hyundai (great car also) with 5 years. Meanwhile Holden 3 with years. And if it is 1 month out of warranty you're going to pay even if it is an ongoing issue (even went to department of fair trading , denied- couldn't be bothered going to the tribunal) from that point on I vowed NEVER to own a Holden again. No matter how cheap which is a real battle with my ozbargian values because there are some real "bargains " out there. But You'd end up pay more in the end and not to mention the amount of times you need to return it because the service staff can't fix or find the problem. "Incompetence all around ". Sorry for the rant. Enjoy look for your new car.

    • timbobjim on 26/02/2017 - 21:23
      +2

      +2 for Kia - Awesome value and reliability (5 years trouble free on a rio, paid 7500)

  • brokeunistudent on 24/02/2017 - 19:59

    Facebook Groups

  • nomoneynoproblems on 24/02/2017 - 20:20
    +6

    As a beginner stay away pickles and the cruze! Such a terrible car.

    • confuzzl3don3 on 24/02/2017 - 22:59

      Oh really, why?

      • Cheap Charlie on 25/02/2017 - 15:47
        +6

        Google Holden Cruze Issues and derivatives of those terms

      • bradsmrbetty on 25/02/2017 - 20:43

        Agreed and after you have Googled Holden Cruze problems.
        Google, Holden Cruze or Chevy Cruze burning.

      • j05h on 27/02/2017 - 19:28

        Head over and have a look at this:
        http://autoexpert.com.au/buying-a-car/new-cars/qa/should-i-b…

      • Worf on 27/02/2017 - 20:12

        My work had a couple of Cruze's in it's fleet circa 2012 (unsure which variant, but it would have been a base model / or close to it). Comfortable seats and decent factory sound system. But I found it terrible to drive. The (auto) transmission was slow to change gears. It had a tendency to rev high for no real reason, i'm unsure if this is a common issue with Cruze's or if it was just the models that our work ended up with. I preferred the other cars in the fleet. At the time this consisted of corollas and lancers, both of which were ordinary; but good enough in my view.

      • jpee on 02/03/2017 - 06:54

        Auctions can get you into trouble if your not sure what you are looking at. Because at the fall of the hammer it's yours. ( just like a house auction. But generally you have a few weeks to get an inspection and do your due diligence)

        I would suggest - find the exact model you would - year , make , model , auto/manual

        Start to get an understanding of what they are selling for.
        Along with red book range.

        Inspect a few that you feel are good value (bring someone who knows about cars (preferable a mechanic) if not there are services where they can inspect cars for a fee.

        Do a Revs check it costs $3.80. Worth every cent. Stay away from finance, write offs. (Ppsr I think the website is )
        make offers with respect to what others are selling for talking about numbers and cars that work in your favour even showing them the adds to negotiate.
        Good luck

  • dp1 on 25/02/2017 - 10:07
    +2

    Hyundai i20 you could even go as new as 2015,which is under warranty until 2020. There aren't many automatics to choose from, you will have more choice if you can drive a manual

  • HeWhoKnows on 25/02/2017 - 17:26

    WOW. What a shopping list.
    Here is some advice where and where not to buy:
    BEST PLACE TO BUY: New car dealerships which also offer used cars for sale - namely cars their customers traded-in. New car dealers only resell reliable cars that meet high standards. They wholesale off any junk cars they trade-in. Any car under 10 years old and under 160,000kms sold by a dealer comes with a 3 month statutory warranty in NSW. Its as good as a new car warranty in many ways. These guys are also usually very negotiable so never pay the full price.
    WHERE NOT TO BUY:
    RULE 1. Avoid Shonky used car dealers selling cheap cars with high kms. Especially the little yards. These guys often advertise on Gumtree and never mention the high kms in their adverts.
    RULE 2. AVOID Private sellers with Lebanese backgrounds - lookout for the obvious Lebanese name like Mohamad or Suburbs known to have a large Lebanese population.
    RULE 3. Also avoid cars being sold by people of Indian origin.
    DISCLAIMER: This is not a racist comment. Its based bad experiences dealing with Lebanese and Indian private sellers of cars.

    • Ridiculous Panda on 25/02/2017 - 19:53
      +11

      maybe not racist but definitely stereotypical.

      • 2ndeffort on 25/02/2017 - 19:59
        +5

        Agree, what if the sales guy from the big dealership is from a heritage you dislike?

    • 2ndeffort on 25/02/2017 - 19:54
      +1

      Big car dealership is the safest choice but you won't get a bargain.

    • [Deactivated] on 26/02/2017 - 09:13
      +7

      RULE 4. Avoid all car advice from AmayzingOne, he has a proven track record of being incorrect.

        • [Deactivated] on 26/02/2017 - 11:22
          +11

          I don't think there is any need to be racist. You have a track record of being very wrong about cars, rude (and in this case racist) to people who correct you, and offer no form or apology or admission of being incorrect. Your advice is to be taken with a grain of salt, and I would strongly advise other users to ignore what you have to say.

        • HeWhoKnows on 27/02/2017 - 12:35
          -6

          @thorton82: Mate Anyone that attacks another contributor who is trying to help out with good honest advice is just a first class ASS!
          Maybe should should worry about the rubbish you put up instead of criticizing others who are trying to be helpful.

        • [Deactivated] on 27/02/2017 - 17:59

          @Amayzingone: I'm not attacking you and I'm not being rude to you. I'm telling other users to ignore your advice, because it is poor advice. I can back up my posts with facts and figures, as I have done in response to you, at your request, and when these facts and figures prove you wrong, you go on the attack. I'm telling people to avoid your posts, because you give (incorrect) opinion, not fact.

        • Wyzard on 27/02/2017 - 23:34

          @Amayzingone: You sound like a leb trying not to sound like a leb. Walla habib.

        • enzioFirenze on 28/02/2017 - 07:53
          -1

          @thorton82: I kinda think everyone gets to formulate their own anecdotal heuristics when it comes to these things, my heuristic is to avoid Lebanese at all costs as well as avoiding suburbs like Liverpool, Smithfield etc. It's an opinion I've formulated with my experience, I guess using it myself makes me prudent while disseminating that will make me look like a racist! Each to their own I guess, this works for me. I've checked more than 20 cars from the said backgrounds and not one was an honest offering, one guy tried to sell me a car with multiple logbooks with multiple VIN #s and when I pointed that, he and his friends chased us with baseball bats! Go figure!

          PS: Sorry if I offended anyone, this is just my heuristics, I don't usually go rub it on somebody else!

        • smartazz104 on 28/02/2017 - 08:21

          Your comments in https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/293104#comment-4478130 suggest othwerwise.

        • [Deactivated] on 28/02/2017 - 17:27

          @enzioFirenze: Using the same single big word over and over in an attempt to sound intelligent actually has the opposite effect.

        • enzioFirenze on 28/02/2017 - 19:57

          @thorton82: lol mate, just expressed my opinion, I don't claim to be intelligent nor stupid. Don't want to argue, peace!

    • Tnetennba on 26/02/2017 - 11:52
      +7

      Just because you say "this is not racist" doesn't make it not racist.

      • Scrooge McDuck on 26/02/2017 - 17:59
        +3

        I'm not racist but… I should bring the washing in before it rains.

        • Euphemistic on 26/02/2017 - 21:49
          +3

          I'm a racist a few times a year, but I have no chance of winning the ones I enter.

    • titan0r on 27/02/2017 - 00:29
      +4

      I've previously bought a car from a Lebanese guy and its going strong after 4 years. You shouldn't brand the whole community bad, just because you have had bad experiences in the past.

        • Wyzard on 27/02/2017 - 23:45
          +4

          So what you're saying is that there is not a single honest Leb out there selling a car? You see, that's tarnishing a whole race with a single brush, which is by definition, racism… oh but its not racism because you said it's not?

      • [Deactivated] on 28/02/2017 - 09:52
        -1

        Guilt by association is the way to discrimination and racism.

        Even though there are many people in a certain group who do something does not reflect on most of that group, they end up being the victims. It also appeals to ignorance of the person because it is convenient to be ignorant than inquire about something. Not too far from idiots who say, oh Indians/Lebanese are X Y Z, great work putting more than 1.5 billion people in one basket Jerk! Each individual is different with different experience and circumstances and will behave differently given the same set of variables, an Aussie is also likely to do same crap.

    • signanddatehere on 27/02/2017 - 09:14
      +2

      my cousin paid a deposit to secure a car from a Lebanese seller and after doing some searches, things did not add up. the seller insisted he was correct and claimed the third party records are wrong. he did not want to give any refund. this is so typical and not the first time people would hear too.

      • HeWhoKnows on 27/02/2017 - 12:38
        -1

        Thats very typical. Tell these idiots who think Im racist.

    • bejahi on 27/02/2017 - 11:27
      +3

      This coming from a guy who thinks GM make Fords.

    • loropy9 on 27/02/2017 - 22:05
      +1

      I tend to agree about the lebanese. They tried to sell me a resurected Corolla they had brought from interstate.

    • [Deactivated] on 28/02/2017 - 07:03
      -1

      This is same like saying that avoid renting out your apartment to people of a certain origin because I have had bad experience…and don't give them a job because they are unreliable. Discrimination affects behaviour towards all of these people many of them will be victims because they were of good intention like any other person and then they would have a bad experience with someone.

      Like I would be selling my car soon and I am from one of the mentioned backgrounds. It is well maintained and a good car but some people won't trust me because of how I look. I have been ripped off by an Aussies in the past one of them didn't pay me money because he "spent it" and I had taken him to court and won. It was a painful experience.

    • worldwidehappiness on 28/02/2017 - 15:01

      I bought a Toyota from an Indian family. Seemed not obviously bad, but the suspension seemed a little low. But I looked at it at night in the pouring rain, so I wasn't sure. The NRMA guy said it was fine, so I bought.

      Freaking hell, it basically fell apart as I drove away. First downhill redlight stop, the breaks failed. Then next morning, I noticed a cloud of smoke from the exhaust pipe. A few days later, a puddle of oil on the ground. The first time that I saw it in daylight, I saw white hand-painting over some scratches. Complained to NRMA and they gave me my money back. Don't know how that guy passed it. I spent about $2,000 just to keep it going in the first few months. Then I drove up the coast, and the engine was getting hot and I smelt fumes in the cabin. Fabric wore quickly. Obviously, the thing had been driven into the ground without any maintenance at all, and they had wound the clock back. It's just a cultural thing with them to be tight with money. Not all, but most that I've met. It's neither good nor bad, just be aware of the possibility as a buyer.

      The main reason I bought it was that I wanted a white Toyota station wagon. Goes to show it's best to look for a bargain without being fussy about specifics. Just find a good seller with a good car.

  • 2ndeffort on 25/02/2017 - 19:51

    graysonline. No warranty, no recourse if you buy a lemon but plenty of bargains to be had if you know how to pick a good car. Also Facebook car sales groups

    • confuzzl3don3 on 25/02/2017 - 23:44

      How do you check roughly what a car should be worth based on depreciation, model, etc. Is there a good site for that or is just a google search to see what cars of the same make and model are typically going at?

      • [Deactivated] on 26/02/2017 - 09:26

        carsales.com.au ..?

        Allows you to search exact models

        • gmail92 on 26/02/2017 - 11:37
          +4

          Redbook is more reliable.

          Carsales may be biased due to seller valuations etc.

        • [Deactivated] on 26/02/2017 - 17:24

          @gmail92: More than what it's worth it gives you an idea of what you could go out and buy it for today. It's more just for a rough idea.

        • HeWhoKnows on 27/02/2017 - 12:38

          @gmail92: One and the same. They all use redbook these days.

      • 2ndeffort on 26/02/2017 - 12:14
        +3

        Site I use for working out future car depreciation is http://www.howmuchwillmycardepreciate.glassguide.com.au/Defa…

  • bradsmrbetty on 25/02/2017 - 21:01
    +2

    See if you can get a Mazda 6 hatch or Subaru Liberty, Kia Cerato would be also good, 2012 models seem to be in budget, 2 years worth of factory warrenty left.

  • Euphemistic on 25/02/2017 - 21:05
    -1

    Have you looked down the back of the couch? That's where I find a lot of things I'm looking for.

  • natman on 26/02/2017 - 05:07
    +4

    I would stick with the Camry if it is running well and reliable. I don't know if it is worth spending $10k on another car just because of fuel economy.

  • mochariffic on 26/02/2017 - 08:14
    +1

    If fuel efficiency is your main driver then consider the micro car range; 3cyl gang of Mirage (5yr warranty), micra, celerio at near new or demo prices these can be had for 10k (Vic).

    Obvious downsides with these cars (Noise, Harsh unbalanced engine, etc..) , but if you're not doing highway then it might be a good option.

    Kia Picanto is a slight step up at 11k but has a 1.2l 4cyl and 7yr warranty and roadside assist which at this price range is very competative.

    In the light car segment: i20, accent, rio and fiesta are good options but they can be a mixed bag of kms and features so research needed at this price range.

    Above 10k - you can find older Cerato, i30, focus, etc.. but it starts to get difficult until you go around the 13-15k msrk in which case you maybe should consider new.

    Nissan Pulsar ST hatches are going for 16k driveaway at the moment, might be a consideration if you can stretch.

  • c0balt on 26/02/2017 - 11:25
    +1

    When I was in your shoes I got a 2005 BMW E90 320i with 90k kms on the clock, 3 years ago. They can be found for ~10-15k 2nd hand.

    I got a nice BMW for Camry money.

    I'm pretty cluey with cars and I've been able to replace an alternator and oil level/quality sensor myself. The valve guide seals are a little worn too so I just went up a grade of oil from 5w30 to 10w40 and it no longer puffs any smoke. There's not many problems with those cars and there's heaps of forums with people doing writeups on how to fix common problems.

    This isn't my car, but it's the same one (I have stock rims on mine).
    http://www.motorstown.com/images/bmw-e90-320i-06.jpg

    • bender on 27/02/2017 - 23:05

      This isn't my car, but it's the same one (I have stock rims on mine).
      http://www.motorstown.com/images/bmw-e90-320i-06.jpg

      That's a sweet looking car for $15k.

      • c0balt on 28/02/2017 - 14:06
        +1

        That has rims on it worth a bit more than the ones I have and that has a slightly different front and rear bumper (I believe in that photo it's called the M-Sport bumpers, but I could be wrong).

        Here's my actual car that I got for $14k with 90k kms on the clock in 2014: http://imgur.com/gbvLydg

        I did put those headlights on myself. They were $350 for the set for projector bulbs & CFL angel eyes, I'll get around to putting in a set of HIDs eventually (they are designed for it with the proper RHD cut off so it's all legal).

        I see someone downvoted my comment for saying that I got a BMW for Camry money.. I'd be pissed to that point too if I bought a boring box shaped Camry over a sleek modern BMW for the same money ;)

  • TransportPosters on 26/02/2017 - 14:52
    +2

    Just go for the Toyota Corolla. There's so many to choose from, are so easy to service/repair, simple to drive and have good resale when it's time to move it on. Put in a little extra to get a high-end model like the Levin and Ultima models, and hold out for one with some nice options. Look for one made from 2009 and after as it has improved mechanics.

  • peterw1 on 26/02/2017 - 17:55

    Have you considered ex government fleet auctions:
    http://www.governmentauctions.com.au/catalogues.aspx

  • [Deactivated] on 26/02/2017 - 20:10

    Would like to send a pm to you.

  • This Guy on 26/02/2017 - 21:08
    +1

    Main things I'm looking for is:
    a) Fuel efficient
    b) Budget looking around 10kish give or take, obviously just after a good bargain.
    c) Automatic
    d) Small car, 4 seater. Hatchback gives more boot space?
    e) Air con
    f) Good safety, reliable, longevity, low maintenance

    And for perks but not essential
    - rear sensors/camera
    - automatic windows
    - good resell value
    - GPS
    - looks good =)

    Sounds like you want a Kia Picanto. It has no boot space, and it's a little more than $10k, but it win's a-f else wise.

    It has rear parking sensors and automatic windows but no GPS. The other to perks are subjective.

    The main feature of the Picanto is worry free driving as it has 7 year, unlimited km warranty, 7 year capped price servicing and 7 years road side assistance included while using very little fuel and having a 5 star safety rating. They are also very quite and refined compared to their competition.

    Generally you loose about 30% value in a car every year.

    For GPS use your phone and a cradle if you are off your P's. Getting an integrated GPS fitted could cost you $2-3k if you go branded and don't have any friends who will fit it cheap.

    This post is my personal opinion only. I work/have worked for companies dealing with a few of the brands discussed above.

    • spackbace on 27/02/2017 - 01:10
      +2

      Generally you loose about 30% value in a car every year.

      Ouch you're buying the wrong cars if you buy at that sort of resale!

      So
      2017 - $20,000
      2016 - $14,000
      2015 - $9,800
      2014 - $6,860

      On your maths that's a >50% drop in just 2 years… Yeah you're buying the wrong brands.

      • JimB on 27/02/2017 - 14:34
        +2

        I've love to buy a car in 2014 for $6,860 and sell it in 2017 for $20,000!

        Maybe I'm buying the wrong sort of cars :D

        • spackbace on 27/02/2017 - 15:09
          +1

          You're looking at it wrong… I meant that's the equivalent resale of a $20k car bought this year

      • This Guy on 27/02/2017 - 20:17

        I only know of one brand that hold's it value across it's range because demand far out strips supply.

        And I am only talking generally.

  • TheOneWhoGotAway on 26/02/2017 - 21:51

    I'm actually in a similar case as OP. Budget around 15k.
    Still debating between hatch and sedan…
    Sedan has more space and looks more "professional" when driving around.
    I had a quick look at carsales and hatch really isn't that significantly lower priced…

    Extra Q's
    Looking at good old Toyota for reliability and comfort drive. Any other brand do better? Honda for example?
    Tempted by KIA and Hyundai's longer factory warranty, it might mean the 2nd hand car is still in the warranty….

    Thanks all

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