Credit Card Late Payment and Interest Charges - No Bank Loyalty

Been a Commonwealth Bank customer for over 30 years and in this time have ALWAYS paid off my credit card balances on time. However, last week I was ill with the flu, like half of Sydney seems to have been, and innocently forgot to pay off my $2,600 amount owing from the previous statement. Quite simply, I was that ill that my VISA payment was the last thing on my mind.

So, later when I had almost recovered from the flu, I realized that I hadn't paid my VISA bill that was then 4 days overdue. I therefor e paid it off straight away. However, on checking my NetBank, I noticed that because I was 4 days late, I had been slugged a $20 late fee and $99 in interest charges. This is because at the time I'd paid my bill, the total amount ion my statement was around $5,700 and the Commonwealth Bank had charged me 20% p.a. interest on the $5,700 balance for a month, and not 4 days.

I went to a bank branch to explain the circumstances for my late payments, thinking that because I had been a loyal customer for over 30 years and never been late with any payment, that the bank might show some leniency and refund both my late gee and the outrageous interest charges. They refunded my $20 late fee but stuck firm on the interest charges.

Seriously, the bank made nearly $10 billion in profit last year, principally due to the support of loyal customers like me and they then turn around and treat me with complete disdain. I turn over a significant amount f money with the Commonwealth Bank each year, but no more now as I am moving banks and I implore others to do so if that's how they're going to be treated.

I assume my situation is quite common and would like to hear from others who have been stung like me on how the bank responded to appeals for leniency in such matters.

Comments

  • Well yeah just move, big 4 is there to rip people off and pay big salary to their ceos

  • +16

    on one hand I empathize with you.

    and on the other I shake my head wondering how you would assume a parasitic money making company would give a (profanity) about your 30 years of being a customer.

    banks are up there with real estate agents, used car sales people and personal injury lawyers.

    • +1

      banks are down there with real estate agents, used car sales people and personal injury lawyers.

      FTFY. πŸ™‚

  • +4

    Im surprised they even waived the $20 late fee

    • +5

      He'll probably incur a $29 service fee for the privilege.

  • +3

    the bank made nearly $10 billion in profit last year

    Now you see how.

  • +5

    ouch!
    wife has a late amex payment and they wavied all charges

    i just set up direct debt from my offset so i dont forget, just need to check all bills and make sre i have enough oney there!

    • wife has a late amex payment and they wavied all charges

      🐈 pass?

  • +2

    yeah, set up automatic payments. Let it all take care of itself.

  • Set up direct debit.
    Done.

  • Email the GM
    Comyn, Matthew [email protected]
    Give him 7 days to reply

    • +2

      oooooh that'll teach 'em!

    • Will do - thanks for the link.

  • $99 in interest charges.

    How did you/they come to this figure?
    Even 4 days late would only be ~$13.00

    • +4

      Standard (mis)practice when a miss is to backcharge interest to the date of purchase not simply the date due for payment.

      • all part of the terms you agree to though!

    • Interest free period only applies if you pay on time. If you don't pay on time it's calculated from the date of the purchase.

    • That's what I thought and why I went to query the $99 interest charge.

      As they explained, when you are late they then charge you on the total balance ($5,700 in my case) and not the amount you were late in paying, at 20 % p.a. But, they don't apply that interest to only 4 days (in my case), because as you are then in a new billing period, they charge you a month's worth of interest/ As someone else said, no wonder they made almost $10 billion profit last year - rip off your loyal long term customers, but happily help the criminals of this country launder their dirty money. Yep, only COM CAN !!!

      • +8

        rip off your loyal long term customers, but happily help the criminals of this country launder their dirty money.

        You are taking this too personally.

        They have charged you according to the terms and conditions you agreed to. There is no ripping off. They have in fact waived the late charge, so you have been let off for part of it.

        As others have said, your illness is not the banks issue.

        Yes, compassion can go a long way for them, but a the moment you are coming off as entitled.

        I can only recommend you try calling their call center as an alternative to the branch, but when doing so, try to remain emotionally detached to the situation. If the call center operator has the authority to waive it, I am sure they will be more willing to do it if you are not blaming them (remember, they have done nothing wrong).

  • +3

    Are you sure you are no longer being charged interest? You usually have to bring the balance back down to zero before it "resets".

  • If you have no need for any goodwill from that history (debatable there is any) ring and cancel the card (maybe after getting another card elsewhere so your line of credit isn't interrupted?), I'd strongly assume you'll be asked why, tell them because of the charge and see what happens. Like another mentioned here charges have been waived for myself after a call in circumstances similar to yours………..it is then up to you, when credit is seen to have been done, whether the bank's attitude makes you want to leave anyway and use that second card.

    • Thank you for this brilliant suggestion.

    • Aaah, the old walk out.

  • Forgot to read the TC? based on that,
    https://www.commbank.com.au/personal/apply-online/download-p…

    "When you don’t make your minimum monthly
    payment, plus any overdue amount, by your
    statement due date. "

    Its happen to me once, instead of winging here, call them or send them a message nicely, they will fix it.

    • -1

      Might be an idea to apologise to the OP saying you missed "I went to a bank branch to explain the circumstances "….oh, and "winging" is the thing boids do…….probably you relied on the spellchecker to catch things like that but were unlucky, however it's so easy to simply snipe so I'll not think of that possibility and just hit send.

      • -2

        Dude, I used my same broken engish without a spell checker and email the CBA and they fixed it, so move on :)

      • oh, and "winging" is the thing boids do…

        What part of the Tri-state area are you from?

  • +7

    OP..

    You will find that you openly and freely agreed to those terms and conditions when you signed up for this card. The bank is executing its fee process as per the agreed terms.

    This means you agreed to the application of the late fee.

    This means you agreed to the calculation of the interest amounts, if they are so outrageous, why did you agree to them?

    The bank has done no wrong in this instance.

    Your flu is not the bank's fault.

    You bringing up the bank's $10b profit is just emotive BS, it has no bearing on you not paying your balance.

    Honestly, I think the bank was incredibly generous to give you back your late fee, they didn't have to do that at all, but of course you won't give any credit for that.

    I find the following comment laughable "Seriously, the bank made nearly $10 billion in profit last year, principally due to the support of loyal customers like me "

    You just said for 30 years you pay off your balances at month end, thereby attracting no interest (read : no revenue for the bank). SO unless you are paying a hefty amount of annual fees (which I suspect you don't), you have made zero contribution to its profits.

    The bank has consistently provided you with a flawless service with no income to itself for 30 years, and once in 30 years you paid $99 and you lose your shit and want to leave? Who is it that lacks loyalty again?

    • +1

      You just said for 30 years you pay off your balances at month end, thereby attracting no interest (read : no revenue for the bank). SO unless you are paying a hefty amount of annual fees (which I suspect you don't), you have made zero contribution to its profits.

      Not quite true. The bank will get a cut from interchange fees.

    • While technically correct I have to disagree, "30 years" of being a client should cut you a bit more slack then just the waive of $20 esp on (I assume) a first instance of a miss. Possibly naively but I'll say, surely the bank receives a merchant fee for any transaction?

      • The bank also gives reward points so it probably cancels out the merchant fees.

        • Didn't think of that….however off the top of my head the rewards points on my ANZ Rewards card were worth .005 cents per dollar spent so I don't think the merchant fee would be that tiny….and now that reward has been halved as of 1/8, sigh. I'd love to move on but I need that "history goodwill" at the moment.

      • -1

        Interchange fees and Merchant fees are mostly absorbed by the businesses as part of the costs of doing business.

        Claiming I am boosting CBA / NAB / ANZ / WBC's profits via interchange / merchant fees is tantamount to me going to Sizzlers and demanding a free meal because I have been paying their rent and staff wages for 30 years.

      • technically correct

        The best kind of correct.

  • +1

    I'm in my 30's and have been with CBA since Dollarmites (so not even as long as the OP). They've waived a variety of things for me over the years (can't remember if I've ever asked for interest to be waived though because I've never had a credit card with them before last year when I got one just for the $250 cash back… I got the $59 annual fee for that refunded upon request) due to loyalty and being a "good customer". I just call and ask. Try calling or going to the actual branch you opened the account in (if possible).
    Otherwise the call centre can escalate to that branch (they've done that for me previously).

    PS I've never really had that much money or any loans with them either… Maybe just lucky?

    • +1

      Same here, I'm not a face to face person, usually email them and they fix it with a warning. That goes with most companies.
      But its not a CBA fault, I was bit shock with the late payment fee as well.

      In noob terms, this was their explanation;

      We times the amount, for example $1900, by the purchase interest rate which is 20.24%.

      We then take this amount ($384.56) and divide by 365 days = $1.05

      We then time the amount by 30 days as there are 30 days in the stamen cycle roughly.

      This give you the approximate amount of $31.60.

      Please be advised that the interest for the statement mentions is based on the daily average balance which is $1937(closing balance)
      + any purchases you made during that statement period (ouch).

  • +1

    I stopped reading as soon as I saw you mention CBA. If you want the worst possible outcome in life, use CBA, Telstra and vote for the Labour or Liberal party at the next election. (I don't care who you vote for but not one of them!)

    • +1

      I take it you're an underdog boy?

  • +1

    Escalate to the branch manager, and then say you wish to raise a complaint.

    I refund fees/charges for first time mistakes almost daily. It's strange that this branch did not, in these circumstances.

  • +2

    Amex have been in very obliging in waiving interest and not applying late fees on the few occasions I have not paid on time over the last 10yrs.

    OP should pay the $99, close down the CBA accounts - tell them why, then go to one of the many other banks offering sign up bonuses worth more than $99 for new customers. Go back to CBA in a year or so as new customer and reap new customer bonuses.

    Loyalty means nothing these days and banks are there to be abused.

  • -2

    How does one forget to pay their credit card?

    You have 45 days interest free; why not auto pay it or just zero out the card each monthly payday?

    Pay the fees.

    • +2

      How does one forget to pay their credit card?

      My psychic powers tell me that OP had the flu.

      Or maybe I just read the OP. πŸ€”

      • For 2 weeks?

        45 days interest free….

  • I think you are being unrealistic to expect a big company like Comm Bank to care about customer loyalty. They have lots of customers and make lots of money. Realistically they probably do not care if you are upset.

    Cancel credit card and sign up for a new card with a different company which comes with bonus Qantas frequent flyer points. Changing accounts regularly does a lot more for you then loyalty.

  • I could bang on with all manner of points here that may or may not be helpful.

    What is important though is that you are talking to the wrong people. The branch is not the right place to take the issue. You will need to deal with the specific credit card teams to get the recourse you're looking for.

    That said, if you're happy to walk, then walk. Credit cards are more or less a commodity these days and there is little loyalty on either side of this product.

  • Wait.

    Commonwealth Bank had charged me 20% p.a. interest on the $5,700 balance for a month, and not 4 days.

    Lame.

    Where is the checkout's scam kid?

  • thats how they make money… and you complain… well… poor the CEO he/she now has $99 less in bonus.

  • -4

    Spoke to Bank's Credit Card section to ask what is required to cancel my credit card and when they asked why I wanted to cancel, I told them exactly why. Anyway, they then told me that before I did anything, they would make some inquiries and get back to me. A short while later I got a call from the Branch officer I'd spoken to the other day and he told me to hold off cancelling my credit card for another 2 days as he was confident that he could arrange for me to be credited my $99 interest charge.

    Al being well. I should have my money refunded by the end of the week. Clearly, they could have done this when I spoke to the Branch officer, but they are, instead trained to rip you off first and then negotiate when it is evident that they may lose business.Makes you wonder if it would be more sensible, and much cheaper, going to the worst loan shark in town rather than deal with the BIG FOUR.

    • +6

      I was going to give you an upvote for the happy ending of the first paragraph,

      but the entitled attitude of the second spoiled it. 😐

  • ive been a CBA customer for 10 years +

    in all those years I have paid off my balance all but maybe 3 times,

    the last time I forgot and was 2-3 days later, I called up and asked what they can do, and they offerend straight away to take off all the charges

    maybe I was lucky

    but id give it another try….
    ps I dont have any loans with them

  • CBA charged me like $40 interest once because I misread my account balance. That was my negligence. I am not going to push that on the shareholder to pay.

    That being said, CBA have offered me nice account upgrades and shit throughout me being with them.

  • I had been slugged a $20 late fee and $99 in interest charges.
    I had been a loyal customer for over 30 years and never been late with any payment,
    principally due to the support of loyal customers like me

    is this the first time you got a late fee and interest charges in 30 years? if yes, then you could be one of cba's worst customer. you could be the worst customer in the history of any financial institution.

    • 10 years, i have not been charged with anything other than the annual fee that they gave me a discount on for my platinum award card lol.

  • I'm neither a face-to-face nor a phone person so I usually write them a polite email as soon as I discover my mistake.

    I make it a point to apologise for "my oversight", give an assurance not to repeat the mistake, and finally ask very politely for the charges to be waived. It has never failed me in all my years of dealing with banks or other institutions/companies.

    Of course, this probably only works if you're also a customer of good standing with the institution.

    Be nice, until it's time to not be nice.

  • Should have called the call centre and explained your situation. Ask for a one time waive off and offer to setup direct debit to avoid missing any payment in future. It usually works. People in branch have no such authority..

  • +1

    We have done it twice - once I paid the wrong credit card.

    Both times, as soon as we realised, we paid the full balance as of that day adding any transactions not yet on the online transactions and paid it all plus extra to cover interest.

    Both times, our interest was reversed as there were valid reasons - especially when they saw a payment went out that day for the balance, but to somewhere else.

    However, I think they did so because we had gone to great lengths to avoid interest by paying verything to date.

    I wouldn't try the branch - they are faceless people and loyalty means nothing. We have always rung the number on the statement. We deal with ANZ - I don't think CommBank have an ounce of compassion if theirselves insurance refusals are like the rest of it.

    Sadly, that is what happens if you pay late - interest on everything as of that day and continues infinitum. It is very hard to get ahead of it thereafter. Doing as we did is the only way that seems to work - though it is nail biting waiting for the statement to check. Interest only shows at the end of the month.

    I think you will still have interest until you pay the whole balance and more. At least that is how our card works.

  • OP, time to change to another provider if possible. Organizations take loyalty for granted.

    Happened to me once as I made the payment auto scheduled few days before the last day. That date fell on Easter long week end (my mistake) and the payment became a late payment.

    I am with Coles Mastercard. A call to their Call Centre had the charges (including interest) reversed. Good on them.

    I now made a Direct Debit arrangement so that the balance per statement gets paid automatically.

  • The amount of times I called up 28 degrees and had my interest and fees refunded… at least 10 times. CBA are crap! Move backs if you can.

  • My wife recently signed up for a CBA card just for the $250 cash back offer. I accidentally paid my closed CBA card (from the previous $250 cash back offer) instead of hers, so incurred late fee and interest.

    She just called the and got them refunded. Also got her card changed from the $59 annual fee one to the $29 annual fee one so we can spend another $500 to get the annual fee waived and then cancel the card. She's been a CBA card holder for a few months.

    You just have to speak to the correct team!

  • This era is where loyalty worth nothing, keep moving and keep changing also keep up your OZB spirit, in order to level your lost, why not pick this deal: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/326253

    meanwhile Virgin credit card is pretty nice to waived late charges for me, likely 3~4 times, but no new deal yet…

  • -2

    Thanks to everyone for your very helpful suggestions, because by acting on them, CBA has finally waived both my late payment fee and the outrageous interest charge they had applied for being 4 days later with my payment. Still, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth and I am now actively exploring, other, better banking options.

    Unfortunately in this day and age, loyalty is dead. I already shop around annually for the best insurance and electricity deals, but will now add banks to this list.

    Again, thank you to everyone who posted a comment on this forum.

    • +1

      Is the interest charge out of line with what is in their terms and conditions? If not, it's not outrageous.

  • Should've set up direct debit.

  • Go for Westpac. You can forget payment once a year and fees+interests will be waived.

  • best always to call and request a refund as a once off goodwill token worked for me with nab, cba are harder depending on who you speak to on the phone they might not have authority to do it.

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