Toyota Landcruiser Driver Fined for Not Giving a Cyclist One Metre of Room When Passing [WA]

teasatotalling on 06/12/2017 - 03:02
Last edited 06/12/2017 - 10:11 by 1 other user

Finally it appears the law is focusing on drivers as much as cyclists, with a motorist fined $400 and four demerit points after travelling too close to a bicycle rider. In what is believed to be the first breach of Western Australia’s new one metre passing rule, the driver of a Toyota LandCruiser was fined after an incident last Sunday.

The cyclist, who asked not to be named, said the vehicle encroached into the bicycle lane as it overtook him while travelling in a 70km/h zone.
“His vehicle was in the bike lane — completely unnecessary because he had two lanes of empty traffic which he could have used,” he told Perth Now.
After voicing his anger at the close pass, the cyclist was confronted by the driver who had pulled over about 20m in front of him.
There was an angry exchange between the pair, which then led to another confrontation further down the road.
“I rode ahead and was about to cross back to the bike lane, but he came up the inside and then cut me across two lanes towards the centre,” the cyclist said. “Just as well there was no other traffic, as I would have been roadkill when he tried to run me into the middle.”
Wanneroo police travelling in the opposite direction spotted the incident and issued an infringement to the driver, who gave the excuse he was “abused for nothing”.

The cyclist said police gave him the option of attempted assault or breach of the one meter rule.
“I went for the latter as it needs reinforcing, even though apparently it is a lesser charge,” he said.
The fine comes after legislation stipulating drivers must leave a gap of at least one metre when passing a cyclist at 60km/h or less or 1.5m when passing above 60km/h was introduced last Thursday.
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        • [Deactivated] on 07/12/2017 - 17:49

          Safer for cyclists, not pedestrians. I've taken out two pedestrians on the footpath who have stepped out of shops quickly when I was avoiding the road. Still, better than getting run over by a car…

      • centrelink on 06/12/2017 - 22:56

        If only we all wanted to break every single vltw there is. Wouldn't that be an awesome world?

    • teasatotalling on 06/12/2017 - 10:16
      -1

      You can buy these light/camera combos by Cycliq that actually have a 1m exclusion zone embedded into the footage

      Awesome! Send the footage in to cops & you will have millions of drivers getting fined!
      Great stuff!

      • [Deactivated] on 08/12/2017 - 13:22
        +3

        That's not great at all. Unfortunately a lot of the time cyclists are the ones forcing cars to be within 1 metre by riding up the lane between a stationary vehicle and the curb. The even worse part is is the cyclist (who saves himself 10 seconds by jumping up 5-10 car spots) then slows down the entire lane for everyone stuck behind them because there is no room to overtake his/her abysmal rate of acceleration.

    • [Deactivated] on 06/12/2017 - 15:39

      I prefer to break the law and ride on footpaths when cycle commuting

      ^^This

      Bikes shouldn't be on the road.

      • TheBilly on 06/12/2017 - 20:48
        +2

        I'd have to agree, our policy makers are either borderline retarded or their intention was to discourage as many people from cycling as they can by forcing them onto roads. I'm yet to figure this out.

        • Harold Halfprice on 07/12/2017 - 14:04

          Bikes can travel up to 40km/h. On a footpath that can be very dangerous to both pedestrians and cyclists.

          There is no order on a footpath - pedestrians don't have/need lanes or rules. That makes pedestrians rather unpredictable. They can stop whenever, turn and change direction whenever, move to whichever side of the footpath whenever, walk out of a building whenever. This isn't an issue at walking speeds, because at those speeds everyone has time to react, but at cycling speeds it is.

          I'm not a cyclist, but I personally don't want them on the footpaths. The footpath is a safe space for a pedestrian - you can walk along it without the fear of getting hit by some fast moving object.

          I do think laws and infrastructure need to be improved though, and most of all - the attitude of ALL users on the road. My job requires me to be on the road a lot - and spending so much time driving makes me see a lot of dumb shit. There's simply too much entitlement and arrogance on the roads -regardless if you're a cyclist or a driver. Half our problems would go away if people just learned to share the road and have a bit of empathy.

        • TheBilly on 07/12/2017 - 14:28
          +2

          @ILikeBargenz:

          Half our problems would go away if people just learned to share

          This is like applicable to …….. all of humanity for everything.

        • taqi on 07/12/2017 - 23:09
          +2

          If you're not a cyclist, then you don't really know what it's like to have an 16 wheeler truck pass by you at 60kmph with a 50cm gap. I think I'd rather be on the footpath. In any case, I ride well below 40 on the foothpaths, probably 17 at most. So a collision between me and a person has a high chance of survival for both sides. A collision on the road is basically going to make me mince meat.

        • TheBilly on 08/12/2017 - 06:07

          @taqi:

          Agreed, thats why I stopped road cycling and footpath now. B doubles actually create a vacuum at speed that can suck you in, especially when riding in the motorway shoulders.

        • Quantumcat on 08/12/2017 - 12:16
          +2

          @TheBilly: I would never ride on the road, and I can't go fast enough to justify it anyway. Luckily living in Canberra there are bike paths everywhere, in my 7-8km commute to work I never once have to step wheel on a footpath or road, except to cross the road a few times.

        • TheBilly on 08/12/2017 - 12:36
          +2

          @Quantumcat:

          I've heard Canberra is really good like that.

  • Davo1111 on 06/12/2017 - 09:21
    +8

    There's obviously more to this story than just "not giving 1m gap".

    • ESEMCE on 06/12/2017 - 09:33
      +13

      Yeah, there is.. it's all there.
      Cyclist had a go at the Landcruiser for scaring the living daylights out of him, driver subsequently pulled over to make more of it than was necessary. After the cyclist rode away, the LandCruiser driver then re-initiated the argument further down the road.

      • cryptos on 06/12/2017 - 22:03
        +1

        Well done to the cyclist, very restrained considering

      • Davo1111 on 12/12/2017 - 15:08

        should have clarified. News in WA implied it was just because of these newly implemented laws. "omg the government revenue raising".

        In actual fact, this would have fallen under existing laws, they were just able to hand a punishment out easier.

    • cryptos on 06/12/2017 - 22:04
      +2

      yep to start with it should be a 1.5m gap at 70km/h

  • dcep on 06/12/2017 - 11:58

    doesn't matter

    those homeless guys can walk in the middle of the road in CBD while the bus has to stop and keep honking them while they slowly crossing.

    no repercussion to the homeless guy

  • Well Wasted on 06/12/2017 - 14:44

    110kmh zone in a rural area (forest) single lane both ways… heading over the crest of a hill to find a cyclist in front cruising at about 20-25kmh… look to overtake and see a fully loaded logging truck heading towards us in the opposite lane… have to pull the car up to 20-25 kmh… downhill… in the space of <50m… scared the absolute shite out of me… and everyone in the car… all unbeknownst to the cyclist.

    • HighAndDry on 06/12/2017 - 14:50
      +9

      Honestly in that situation, you should've been going far slower than 110km/h over the crest of the hill. General rule is to go at a speed that you can stop from at anything beyond the limit of your vision. So over hill crests, around corners, in fog or rain, etc.

      Imagine it wasn't a cyclist going at 20-25km/h over the crest of the hill, but a car that'd just broken down and some poor sap was still in the middle of pushing to the side of the road.

      • Well Wasted on 06/12/2017 - 14:51
        +1

        i'd actually pull over and help… don't know about you.

        • HighAndDry on 06/12/2017 - 14:52
          +5

          Yeah except if you had trouble slowing down to 25km/h, you would've hit the poor guy who's stopped. I mean - yeah in that case you probably should pull over to help.

    • mctubster on 06/12/2017 - 21:53
      +5

      SPEED MANAGEMENT

      Drive at a speed that is within the speed limit and this will allow you to react and
      completely stop within the distance you can see is clear. When you see potential
      hazards, slow down and prepare to stop (referred to as setting up the brakes), for
      example when pedestrians are close to the road or when other vehicles may turn in
      front of you. If you cannot see at least five seconds ahead you must slow down.
      Slow down on wet, icy or gravel roads where it will take longer for your vehicle to
      stop.

    • 811b11e8 on 07/12/2017 - 08:33
      +2

      It's not a 110kmh zone, its a maximum of 110km, On a single lane road it could have just as easily been a dirt bike heading the opposite direction, or a deer, or a roo.

      This is exactly why a lot of the roads that use to fun on a motor bike are now 60-70k roads in stead of 100k, cause people try and sit on the speed limit.

      • Well Wasted on 07/12/2017 - 10:17

        or two logging/cattle trucks passing each other in opposite directions… at 110kph in a 110kph zone… single lane… with a cyclist on the road, cruising at their own speed… headphones in… oblivious to all.

  • hippyhippy on 06/12/2017 - 14:56
    -2

    So… The lesser charge probably incurred the bigger penalty. Great laws we have here. Attempted assault probably would have been thrown out.

  • Euphemistic on 06/12/2017 - 15:09
    +5

    This thread was only going to end up in a 5#|+ fight.

  • Plug on 06/12/2017 - 20:45

    What annoys me is when I give a cyclist the 1.5m gap, then he filters past me in stationary traffic so again I give him his 1.5m as I pass him whereupon he again passes me in stationary traffic etc. How many times do I give the prick the 1.5? How about he has to do the same?

    • itsdougie on 06/12/2017 - 23:21
      +1

      Vehicles should be given a 1.5m gap by cyclists who are filtering. no gap no pass

  • Name on 06/12/2017 - 22:10
    +27

    I'm not a cyclist. But I think the rule is a great idea… Because I'm in a 1 tonne vehicle surrounded by metal and air bags.. A cyclist has nothing other than a helmet.. I don't want to kill someone just because I'm arrogant enough to think that someone's life is worth me saving 30 seconds of time. I'll wait to pass safely for the cyclists sake. Prefer that they'd go home to their family.

    • teasatotalling on 06/12/2017 - 23:35
      +1

      It’s frightening how people are incensed by such patience & logic

    • toastfacegrillah on 07/12/2017 - 00:43
      +5

      Careful there, logic doesn't fare well in a thread about cyclists & motorists.

  • cryptos on 06/12/2017 - 22:21
    +4

    cycleops70 gives you a cyclists perspective. Driving a car, if you pass a cyclist too close its not a big deal, you go home and don't give it a second thought. However that cyclist goes home tries to not think about what might have happened.

    As a kid I used to ride to primary school and ride around the neighbourhood. I rarely see that these days; just alot more obese kids…

  • itsdougie on 06/12/2017 - 23:15
    +12

    I recently hit a cyclist. he was overtaking a slower cyclist outside of the lane as I was passing. No indication or warning just went for it. Hit him pretty hard, no major injuries to the cyclist but his carbon bike was destroyed. In the rage he went off at me saying cyclists can travel 2 aboard and kicked my car (What a tool). Police attended the bike rage. Long story short the slower cyclist (the witness) made an account of the accident. I wasn't at fault, now my insurance is making a claim against the fast cyclist and I wont have to pay for his expensive bike replacement!

    Chalk one up for the drivers! :)

    • whooah1979 on 06/12/2017 - 23:25
      +5

      good story.

      did you have a dashcam or vid of the collision? if you don't have dashcam, then you may want to get one for future collisions. they're very handy for when there aren't a witness around to support your story.

      • itsdougie on 06/12/2017 - 23:27

        I am keeping an eye out for an ozbargain deal! You're right won't always have a witness.

        • whooah1979 on 06/12/2017 - 23:34

          the cyclist that was hit must have been fuming when the other cyclist didn't side with him but rather supported your version of the event.

        • itsdougie on 07/12/2017 - 00:10
          +8

          @whooah1979: The cyclist that I hit was trying to get the slow cyclist on his side. The slower cyclist was on a mountain bike just popping around the corner to get milk so he was not in a rush. in the cycling world I think there is an untold feud between mountain bikers and Road cyclist anyway. a bit like aliens and predators

  • Yttrium on 07/12/2017 - 00:13
    +9

    I've never understood people that discourage cyclists.

    The more cyclists there are , the less traffic for everyone else !

    And there are more empty parking spaces at the destination.

    When I drive to work , I overtake 5-10 cars , and 500 bikies. I don't want 500 more cars making more traffic.

    Everyone should ride to work.

    • itsdougie on 07/12/2017 - 00:19
      -5

      Ride a bus, catch a train reduces congestion on the road, more cyclist on the road causes more traffic disruptions

      • Yttrium on 07/12/2017 - 07:35
        +2

        A car creates more traffic than a pushbike or motorcycle, because it takes up more space and is harder to overtake.

        Buses and trains are good options too.

      • freakatronic on 07/12/2017 - 11:37
        +3

        Ride a bus, catch a train, and look both ways because cyclists come down the footpath and don't stop for red lights.

      • Chris12345 on 07/12/2017 - 20:42
        +3

        Hey, how about YOU get on the bus, then you don't have to rage and panic when your required to move your steering wheel a few degrees to the right to pass a cyclist!

    • whooah1979 on 07/12/2017 - 00:23
      +2

      Everyone should ride to work.

      in 30 degree heat?

      yep, arriving at work for that 09:00 meeting smelling like an old rag and sweating from head to toe.

      • Symbiotic on 07/12/2017 - 01:03
        +3

        I don't know of anyone who cycles into work but doesn't shower and change into their work gear. Maybe there are a few barbarians out there. Unlikely their employment would last very long.

        • whooah1979 on 07/12/2017 - 01:35
          +2

          Yttrium isn't talking about a few armstrongs. Yttrium would like everyone to ride a push bike to work. silly.

        • Yttrium on 07/12/2017 - 07:39

          Yttrium would like everyone to ride a push bike to work.

          That would be wonderful, commuting with no traffic.

        • freakatronic on 07/12/2017 - 11:39

          [@Yttrium (/comment/5383785/redir)l: Because when people ride bikes they disappear from material reality, only to reappear at their destination. Amazing the way it's impossible to make traffic out of bicycles.

      • Yttrium on 07/12/2017 - 07:33

        Have you heard of a shower ?

        • whooah1979 on 07/12/2017 - 09:07
          +2

          Not every businesses have a shower, and if they do then at most one or two.

        • Euphemistic on 07/12/2017 - 10:13
          +1

          I rode to work this morning. Had a shower. Was running a little late, and so didn't get enough cool down time. After I finished my shower I continued sweating and probably need another one now.

    • Herbse on 07/12/2017 - 00:48
      +2

      This is easy if you have the following at your disposal

      1. Reside appropriate distance from your work
      2. Have the luxury of extra time for the ride/wash/change, no kids etc.
      3. Have a work place where you can shower
      4. Can be arsed
      • Yttrium on 07/12/2017 - 07:37
        +1

        Can be arsed

        I guess it depends on how much you dislike being stuck in traffic congestion.

    • tryagain on 07/12/2017 - 11:38

      If it's instead of a driving trip then this makes sense, if it's for recreation then it doesn't.

  • Herbse on 07/12/2017 - 00:49
    +1

    I thought after the SSM vote was won, we wouldn't have any more discussions to divide us. Yet here we are.

    • gimme on 07/12/2017 - 07:52

      So when are we voting on SSD

      • HighAndDry on 07/12/2017 - 12:30
        +4

        Which debate?!

        MLC vs SLC architecture?

        NVMe vs PCI-E vs SATAIII?

        m.2 vs everything else?

        Intel vs Samsung?

        SSHDs?! Optane?!

      • CaptainNewspeak on 07/12/2017 - 19:10
        +1

        Same sex divorce?

    • KBZ on 07/12/2017 - 08:30
      +1

      Wait for the eggs discussion.

    • Euphemistic on 07/12/2017 - 08:46

      Cyclists v motorists drama has been around longer than the SSM dramas.

    • tranter on 07/12/2017 - 09:15
      +1

      It's the same type that come out of the woodwork every time. Anti-migration, anti-cyclists and so on. It's funny reading some of the comments in this thread, picturing them sitting in traffic fuming as the cyclist they just passed flies by. Now they have to perform the 1m pass all over again. Poor souls! I think their frustration is directed at the wrong target though. It might be better served considering why the roads they are driving on are not adequate for the traffic volume.

      • Euphemistic on 07/12/2017 - 10:11

        It might be better served considering why the roads they are driving on are not adequate for the traffic volume

        That's probably down to the fact they are sitting in their car like everyone else less than the actual road design. Build a bigger road and it'll just invite more cars.

        • tranter on 07/12/2017 - 10:36
          +2

          True, there are many forces at play. Cyclists are just easy targets for grown adults to justify their hissy fits.

        • spackbace on 07/12/2017 - 12:25
          +1

          Can't build bugger roads if the cyclists don't pay anything towards them ;)

        • Euphemistic on 07/12/2017 - 12:55
          +2

          @Spackbace: Don't need to build bigger roads for cyclists, only for motorists.

        • spackbace on 07/12/2017 - 12:57
          +2

          @Euphemistic:

          But if everyone, everywhere rode bikes, we'd need roads of some sort, and people would need to pay for them…

        • Euphemistic on 07/12/2017 - 12:58
          +2

          @Spackbace: but if everyone rode bikes, the current road network would be more than enough.

          … and just for those playing along who don't know: it's general taxes and rates that pay for roads, not registration. Registration barely covers the cost of registering cars.

        • HighAndDry on 07/12/2017 - 13:04

          @Euphemistic:

          Registration barely covers the cost of registering cars.

          That doesn't make any sense. You're trying to say it costs $500-$1,000 for the 15mins at the RMS that it takes to register a car?

        • spackbace on 07/12/2017 - 13:04

          @Euphemistic:

          Registration barely covers the cost of registering cars.

          What makes you say that? It's just a computer system. Once you're in the system there's nothing to change

        • Euphemistic on 07/12/2017 - 13:19
          +1

          @0blivion: Rego doesn't cost that much, more like under $300 + insurance to make up your $1k.

          The registration system is more than 15mins in the RMS office. OK, maybe some money is returned to general revenue, but given all the 'we need to cut rego costs for the battlers' talk, i'd be surprised if it was much revenue left over from running the system.

          http://www.executivestyle.com.au/why-cyclists-should-never-p…

        • Euphemistic on 07/12/2017 - 13:25
          +1

          @Spackbace: I'm surprised you didn't already know that being in the car industry. Building roads costs a lot more than the rego system could possibly hope to raise, which is why it comes from general revenue (income tax, rates, fuel excise etc)

        • tranter on 07/12/2017 - 13:51
          +3

          @Spackbace:

          I know it's fashionable at the moment to blame cyclists for all the world's ills, but the standard of the road system because of their lack of contribution is not one of them.

          "That leaves about $10bn worth of roads funded by every taxpayer in Australia, including taxpayers that happen to ride bikes and probably also own cars."

          http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/mythbusting-the-…

    • pformag on 07/12/2017 - 12:52

      Don't worry, Australia Day is around the corner.

  • bohn on 07/12/2017 - 11:01

    Bloody cyclists.
    Was going down a mountain road recently and there were signs directing cyclists NOT to ride two abreast - but what were two cyclists doing? ;)
    Going behind them for awhile, gave a TINY toot. Nope, nothing. When I could finally overtake them on a straight bit of road, they were sticking their finger up at me etc.

    Times like that, on a mountain road, with no one else around…

    • freakatronic on 07/12/2017 - 11:43
      -2

      You missed the part where, because they are forced to travel by bike (I don't know, impoverished socialists or whatever), you are supposed to be their valiant protector on the road no matter how many laws they flout. Get with the program.

    • nothommus on 07/12/2017 - 12:34
      +1

      We have something similar at home. We have a narrow bridge with a foot bridge next to it. The bridge is barely wide enough for cars and a 70km/h zone, with giant signs at each end telling cyclists to use the footpath on this stretch. Every bloody time they stick on the road and slow everyone down, or more commonly you see people dangerously squeezing past.

      I try and be respectful to cyclists, but the ones like that who blatantly dont give a shit about other road users, and flout the rules really irk me. Its up there with other drivers who a) dont indicate or b) indicate mid roundabout.

  • supaderp on 07/12/2017 - 12:29
    +3

    The only time I hog up the whole lane is when there are cars parked on the sides whilst trying to get hit by someone opening their car door OR when I am trying to turn left/right to make myself very obvious to the other vehicles. Most of the time, drivers don't remember to check their blind spot when turning into a street or opening their car door.
    Anyways, it doesn't help when most Aussies have a huge ego in their cars or bikes when they are on the road, they believe that they are the ones who dictate who should be let in or whether you should give way. Although, most drivers should understand that when you see a rider on the road, their concentration level is much higher than riding in a car, which is why if you did something to tick them off, they will explode at you straight away.

    • Murpha on 07/12/2017 - 14:20
      -1

      their concentration level is much higher than riding in a car

      Tell that to the cyclist I saw run a red light the other morning…

    • Dose Pipe Sutututu on 07/12/2017 - 14:43

      at least you're not an arsehole, unlike 99.99999999% of the other cyclists on the road

      • Euphemistic on 07/12/2017 - 15:14
        +5

        or the 99.99999999% of motorists that are arseholes

    • Mike88 on 07/12/2017 - 18:53
      +1

      Drivers don’t check their blind spot when turning into a street?
      Probably shouldn’t be overtaking them while they are turning.

      • supaderp on 07/12/2017 - 19:04

        Goes both ways, both rider and driver should be looking out for one another

        • Mike88 on 07/12/2017 - 19:27

          It can be easy to miss a cyclist riding up the inside when they shouldn’t be.
          You already have to check for pedestrians and other vehicles, you cannot keep eyes on cyclist at all times.
          If you want to be safe while riding it would be good to follow the road rules that are there for a reason.

        • supaderp on 07/12/2017 - 19:45

          @Mike88: Ok what's easier, looking ahead and seeing that cars are turning or being inside a car and checking your blindspot. Im not taking sides, but the fact that you say most cyclist can't ride on the inside lane just states the fact that the driver of the car always has right of way.
          In a situation where the rider is on the side of the road and going down hill, a car will normally overtake the cyclist and if there's a turning on the bottom of the hill. Most of the time cars don't check their blind before turning.
          So the solution to avoid getting hit, is for the cyclist to hog up the road all the way downhill to avoid getting side swept.
          Comment like yours are just indications of drivers with minimal exposure to experience.

        • Mike88 on 07/12/2017 - 19:54
          +2

          @supaderp: When a vehicle is indicating or turning a cyclist cannot overtake on the inside. You have to slow down/stop to allow the vehicle to turn as they have right of way. (Check road rules)
          This is the same as when a vehicle has to slow down if they cannot overtake a cyclist safely.
          You cannot overtake on the inside just because you want get past a turn in vehicle.
          Comments like yours make it clear road education needs to go both ways…

        • whooah1979 on 07/12/2017 - 20:11
          +1

          @Mike88:

          right of way. (Check road rules)

          i did, but i can't find it. can you please help?

        • supaderp on 07/12/2017 - 20:16

          @Mike88: Took you long enough to agree with my first point that we should be looking out for one another. Glad I could help a fellow member of the community.

        • Mike88 on 07/12/2017 - 20:47
          +2

          @whooah1979: https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-r…
          Read
          What to do when a vehicle is turning left

        • Mike88 on 07/12/2017 - 20:50

          @supaderp: look forward to your future post detailing your sustained injury while trying overtake a turning a vehicle

        • supaderp on 07/12/2017 - 20:52

          @Mike88: Now now don't start putting words into other people mouths. We don't want each other to get hurt in any scenario. I don't have a religion so there won't be any angels, light beam, spaghetti strings or Tom Cruise bringing me to heaven.

        • Mike88 on 07/12/2017 - 21:10

          @supaderp: based on your previous reasoning I wouldn’t it put it past you

        • supaderp on 07/12/2017 - 21:14

          @Mike88: No but you have to look through me. Glad that you agree with me.

        • nith265 on 08/12/2017 - 11:18
          +1

          @Mike88:

          From the Vicroads link, didnt know these had come into effect

          From 1 July 2017 cyclists can ride in a bus lane unless otherwise signed.

          and

          Bike riders travelling in a bus lane can proceed on the 'B-signal'…..

          Am sure many drivers would view riding in the bus lane as more arogant road rule breaking from cyclists (I'm a cyclist and I would have till now!)

  • pformag on 07/12/2017 - 12:50
    +2

    Good to see WA police focusing on the war on drugs… oh

  • Dose Pipe Sutututu on 07/12/2017 - 14:42
    +1

    Cyclists should all get together and crowd fund their own underground roads or bridges so that cars aren't not in their way as they travel 6.5km/h down a 60km/h.

    • freakatronic on 07/12/2017 - 15:03

      And they can call it something hip and catchy, like "the sharing economy" or "underground communist tunnels" or something.

    • Euphemistic on 07/12/2017 - 15:15
      +1

      I'll do my best next time you drive past, but riding at 6.5km/h is not that easy. It's much easier to ride between 20-25km/h

      • Chris12345 on 07/12/2017 - 20:45
        +5

        Cyclists can't win. When on the road they are apparently going 6.5kmh. The second they ride the footpath though - its 50kmh!

        • HighAndDry on 08/12/2017 - 12:08

          Why are cyclists on the footpath to begin with? You don't see me driving on the footpath going "Hey I'm only going 6km/h, what's the fuss?"

        • Chris12345 on 08/12/2017 - 12:16

          Because they are legally allowed to in my state?

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