Victoria's Public Transport Is The Worst I've Experienced. EVER

Victoria's public transport is a joke. I've only just noticed how freaking behind we are compared to some of the countries I've traveled to over the past few years. I can list so many things wrong with this current public transport. let's start.

  • Often train delays during the peak times, I know metro posts punctuality reports every month but what you really should post is the punctuality % during peak times, cause thats what really matters most. I bet that's not even above 50%.

  • Often train closures/bus replacements if they need to upgrade their infrastructure(or level crossing removal works) or if something emergency happened. literally, there are bus replacements somewhere in the network every day throughout the year. NOT TO MENTION THIS ALSO..(this is not the first time it has done that btw) In other countries I've been to, such as (Japan, China, US, Hongkong, Singapore) and even all of the poorer countries I've been to such as Thailand, there is no such thing as BUS REPLACEMENTS. you will never see buses replacing trains, all their trains run perfectly every day, and their train/metro network will not get stupid computer glitches that will shut their entire network down for several hours.

  • the lack of platform doors in Australia- pretty much ALL the stations in the countries I've been to have platform safety doors installed on every single platform, every single train/metro station. while I understand we don't have as much population density compared to the Asian countries, but the ones in Melbourne CBD should have them installed in my opinion since they can get really populated at times.

  • Their productivity rate is so slow….. they are building new stations in the CBD and it will take like 7 years for them to complete 5 stations, (they say it will be completed by 2025, but I HIGHLY doubt it. similar to how I HIGHLY doubt the NBN will be finished before 2020.) For your reference, it took 3 years for Shanghai to build the new line 17 which consists of 12 stations.

  • THE MOST ANNOYING THING OF ALL- OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION CARD MYKI. ITS LITERALLY THE MOST TRASHIEST THING IVE EVER USED. Firstly, especially on buses, the response rate of these 500-year-old machines are so slow! you put your myki on and it takes on average like 5 whole seconds for it to recognise the card, and sometimes it just simply would not work, so not only you waste all that time trying to touch on, I would assume the bus drivers won't be happy about it either since they will be running behind schedule(it will all add up). of course they do have new machines in the city where they are instant but literally, every other machine that's out of the cbd theres a massive delay.

  • Secondary you cant touch on with your myki with any material that's in its way(including the new ones in the city), therefore you have to literally take out your myki everytime you touch on and touch off. which is very inconvenient. I put my myki in a card holder behind my phone and its literally like 1cm thick and it does not recognise my myki at all….. In every other country ive been to, you can touch on your transportation card without taking it out. I once had my Shanghai public transportation card buried inside my handbag and just leaned it against the sensor- and BAM- it touches me on. i was genuinely surprised by the sensitivity. thirdly, some countries like China and parts of Europe you can use your iPhone's wallet app to touch on and touch off with your card. that is the ultimate dream of where you want to head to. but I know this will probably not gonna get introduced in Australia in my entire life probably.

There are many other issues with our current transportation system such as the high fares and the lack of airport rail, but these are the ones that mainly annoy me. I would assume there are many other Victorians or even people from other states that have similar thoughts as me. I would love to hear everyone's complaints and thoughts about this current public transport not just victoria but other states.. You are also welcome to criticize me on the things I'm saying wrong.

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  • +62

    Mate come to qld, then you will be grateful at what you have…

    • +47

      QLD!?

      Come to Uzbekistan, we have goat!

      • +10

        I live in Tashkent for a while, they have kick ass taxis with boom boxes, that cost sfa

      • +7

        I'm from Queensland we dream we had goats….

        • +7

          You should move to Uzbekistan, we welcome all refugees.

        • +12

          Mate! There is a public transport in Victoria and Queensland?
          Damn it, the government has played us in NSW.
          We only have public strike department and department of cancelled services!

      • +1

        Uzbekistan also has High Speed rail, the Afrosiyob

    • +10

      Yep where bus and train timetables don't line up and Translink says its not their problem.
      Go-card machine fails when you touch it and shuts down and then you get charged $10!

      • +1

        Train gets stuck daily due to signal error.

    • +7

      Also consider coming to Canberra for the most non-existent public transport

      • +1

        I believe the moon is much worse, so we should appreciate the system we have

        • +2

          you mean the small island off Victoria?

  • +12

    Tldr, better than Adelaide's system

    • +2

      Even Adelaide beat Sydney to the contactless transport smartcard.

    • +4

      Adelaide has a system? I thought the idea is to jam as many empty buses in the cbd and main roads as possible at peak traffic times.

  • +24

    Just to clarify OP, are you a fan of Victoria's public transport or not?

    • +5

      oh i love it! especially when i have queue for many hours sometimes to go on those crowded replacement buses!

      • +25

        What a great networking opportunity!

        "Hello fellow commuter, you seem to be enraged too. We have so much in common!"

        • Hello random stranger on the bus, I'm from the windows help department can you please tell me your PIN number.

      • so thats a yes then.

  • +2

    I agree with you on many points.

    It's comparatively cheap though.

    A full fare all day all travel mode ticket costs $8.60. I think that's quite cheap.

    • +15

      What about office commuters who need to travel only twice a day? $8.60 as a daily public transport expense for them is quite high. Public transportation should be much cheaper so that every person can afford it without a pinch in his/her pocket and more importantly, people should get motivated to use public transport instead of taking out their cars.

      • +1

        What would be a fair amount to charge daily commuters?

        Free would be great but someone has to pay for it.

        • Most countries the OP mentioned has system that calculate the distance/stops (including different lines) from the station you touched on and touch off.
          In Japan, because the rail system is operated by different companies, it is cheaper if you stayed within the same provider, if you cross to different providers, it could be more expensive if you travel a lot within a day (as they do not have a upper limit like Myki)
          I like China railway, as it is so cheap in comparison. I just came back from China for a holiday, a one way trip (crossed different lines) cost only RMB 3-4 (A$ 0.6-0.8) O.O

        • +5

          @thewrongbeckie:

          Sadly you're not gonna get China prices without China pay and workplace standards

        • +1

          @thewrongbeckie:

          Wages are also lower in China.

          When I used to live in Japan, it'd cost me 760 yen a day to get to work and back. Myki is cheaper.

      • +2

        I have more of an issue with how much it costs to take a tram. Even if you only go ~1km down the road, it's like $4. Trips like that should be much cheaper.

        • +8

          only ~1km and you have to take the tram? do you even have legs?

        • -1

          @limbtz:

          Not everybody is able-bodied? There are many reasons why it might be more convenient or necessary to catch the tram for a short distance.

      • +2

        A lot of commuters like me in SE QLD paying $8 plus one way to work….$8return is a dream

      • -2

        Cost of living in Australia is high and likewise our rate of pay is high. Min wage is something like $20/hr, so it takes less than 30min to earn your daily train ticket which I think is quite reasonable.

        • +13

          You are forgetting the fact that it takes as much as 35 hrs worth minimum wage in a week to afford to rent or buy a house in our large cities. It more than compensates for any other aspect of cost of living which seems ‘reasonable’ to you.

          For a country where literally everything is more expensive than most of other countries, $20/hr isn’t a great minimum wage and $60k/annum isn’t a very good average income as it is claimed to be. It barely cuts the ice to say the least. A person has more purchasing power in the US at a much lower comparative income versus here because every damn thing is much cheaper in the states. In other words, $45k USD income in a higher-medium sized US city goes much farther than $60k AUD here. It goes without saying that those cities in the US have more jobs and hence one can live in such cities and still be employed in their field. Please note that I am not laying an overall comparison here but just comparing these aspects.

        • +1

          @virhlpool:

          35 hrs worth minimum wage in a week to afford to […] buy a house in our large cities

          Oh, if only it was that good :-/

        • @virhlpool:

          'literally' … most misused word in the English language.

        • @ely: 35 hrs of work at the min wages gets you ~$600/week in hand after taxes. For any basic two bed unit in Sydney, you need to spend AT LEAST $450-$500/ week plus electricity, internet and so on. Remember, I am referring to a very average, old unit/apartment with smallish rooms and no fancy amenities.

        • @gimme: Gimme more.

        • +2

          @virhlpool: I agree - it's shit for renters, and impossible to buy, so that's where many are stuck. Nightmare scenario and one that's going to get worse before it gets better. There's no good way out of it - a decent property correction will be painful but is the best way forward really, should be an official policy objective to bring it about.

        • -2

          @ely: minimum wage is exactly that. You are not meant to be able to buy or rent a central apartment in the city. The world does not owe you luxuries. You need to do the hard yards and get a qualification

        • @MikeKulls: Sure, and agreed - but you can do all those hard yards and pick up a job at the mean wage of ~80k (median well below that) and you still won't have a chance and you'll have a truck load of debt to hold you back further. Personally I'm OK, but I'm not so stupid or blinded by self interested that I can't see how this country has (profanity) it up for the generations coming behind me.

        • @virhlpool: You're forgetting all that money is being used for important public services:

          • State governments, when Fed+Local is more than enough as is
          • Keeping YOU SAFE!
          • Keeping the rent seekers IN POWAAAGH!
          • Corporate collections (supporting overseas tax havens)
          • Keeping all+dog happy (Buying weapons and heaps of other stuff, searching the seas for 'lost' planes- doing any dirtywork for all our overseas 'mates')
          • Burning Coal and Oil todo SFA, all the while with sun being free >20 years after solar panels could have been made universally cheap, and EVs could have been designed and built using existing Aussie tech.
          • Continue rant…. rant…. rant…

          Instead of all the above what have we got? Good government?

        • @ely: Ely if you're talking about HECS debt a degree is only 1 qualification. There are plenty of shorter courses or an apprenticeship.

        • @resisting the urge: Plenty of people are employed in the industries you're criticising. Stop buying Guns (defence equipment) and I join the unemployment queues. Happened to me 5 years ago when KRudd raided the defence industry budget. Plenty of people work in the solar industry, plenty of people work in the defence force or police force. Dont underestimate the knock on effects from simple politics.

        • @MikeKulls: Even if you end up with very little debt you're still going to need to earn a very large wage in order to live anywhere decent. The unhealthy national obsession with property as investment vs property as a place to live and the insane policies that encourage speculation (negative gearing, capital gains tax discount, exemption of primary residences from capital gains tax and pension asset tests) has left us in a bad place and one that's going to hurt us more and more as time goes on.

          A good crash, ideally brought on by fixing up the policies that stimulate demand, would be short term painful but long time beneficial.

  • +40

    OP is taking the Myki.

    • Surely you jest.

  • +11

    come to sydney

      • +34

        Sydney is shit

        • +1

          Billy for President of Sydneyville!

        • @khomeini: We already have Mr. Turnbull$*+ who is the prime minister of Sydney.

  • +16

    sydney people will say no we are the worst in australia

    • +4

      Agree. Melbourne trains are worse than Sydney's though.

      As for platform doors, the reason why Sydney doesn't have them is due to the different types of rolling stock where the doors aren't always in the same place on every train

      • +6

        Same in Melbourne regarding the safety doors. The trains aren't all the same.

    • +7

      I've now lived in both Sydney and Melb. I have to say that at least Opal is responsive unlike Myki and the trains in Syd have automatic doors rather than manual ones in Melb.

      However, my PT costs using Myki is about 1k less than what I'm now paying in Syd as full fare.

      I do have to agree with OP. The response time of myki on the readers are incredibly slow. You can feel the delay and it's extremely sensitive to angle etc. Opal in Syd is much more responsive and less sensitive.

      While the new Myki readers are more responsive, a gripe I have with them is that you can't see your fare/balance when you tap on/off. It's a PITA.

      (Only comparing between Syd/Melb as I've lived in both cities)

      • -8

        Lol… Manual doors? When did you last live in Melbourne 10 years ago?

        • +8

          What I mean by manual doors are the ones where you either have to press the button to open the doors (ie., lilydale/belgrave) or slide the doors (ie., sandringham). FYI, moved back to Syd 6 months ago after living there for 4.5 years. Cheers.

          In Syd, the doors open automatically.

        • +4

          @Nanokillaz: the manual door trains were brought back into service ( about 10 at most very briefly whilst the new trains were being built. Pretty sure they are not now in service.

          Re: the push button doors. Been in Melbourne in Winter? It's a blessing that the doors are not open when the train is waiting at the station.

        • +14

          @Wallyt99: Still plenty of manual doors run on my train line, cranbourne/pakenham.

        • +3

          @Nanokillaz: Damn you are lucky to move back. I'm stuck here for the foreseeable future.

          First time I came here was left on the tarmac by the plane, surprised that no train service came to the airport, stood in front of the train door in the city waiting for it to open but apparently you had to tear the door apart, stayed a few days near Camberwell that reminded me of the countryside and learnt that trams stop in the middle of the road to maximise your chance to become roadkill.

          Btw, the Glenferrie to Southern Cross line wobbles on its side, I honestly thought we were gonna derail. When I read that Sydney was gonna replace its double decker trains with this single line ex soviet transport, I was like some politician wants to fatten their bank account.

        • @Nanokillaz: But credit where its due, the tram free zone is quite nice. Since I live in the CBD now, it means almost no spending on transport. Myki is really slow to read unlike Opal where 10 people used to tap in under 5 seconds to get on the bus.

          I was invited to test out a new tram by PTV which was much faster and better. All they have to do is get a contract with the company that makes those Opal readers and use that tech instead of the existing one.

        • @RandomDeviation: I agree with you mate. I used to take the Lilydale/Belgrave line. The train would start shaking near Camberwell. When I first arrived in Melb I looked like a dope, as I didn't realise you had to open the door of a train. WTF. A local looked at me like I was stupid and opened the door. XD

          I do agree that I like the tram free zone, it was useless to me as I needed trains, but for tourists it's great.

          One annoying thing is you have to pay for your Myki, whereas in Sydney Opal is free. So a $10 Opal purchase is actually $10 credit for PT. Myki should do the same for visitors.

          Also, luckily, it seems only certain services will have the new single deckers. Mainly regional services and the new metro going from Rouse Hill via Macquarie and City to Bankstown.

        • @Nanokillaz: As a resident of the CBD the free tram zone is great and I get good value out of my $0 trips, but I don't think it's particularly useful for anyone else, including tourists. One trip out of the free zone and back in again and you're already at the maximum fare for the day anyway, so no difference for commuters and it's a rare tourist that only stays in the CBD. I'd be interested to see what it actually costs in terms of lost revenue, but I imagine it to be SFA.

      • Half the trains on my line (CCN + T1 peak) are manual doors for Sydney…

      • Have to vote for MEL CBD free PT! Can't complaint about free stuff. Syd Opal card even won't let you in the train station if the remaining balance is below the minimum fare ticket cost…

    • Sydney people love to whinge about anything.

      Sydney Trains are 10x better than Melbourne Trains.
      Melbourne Trams are 10x better than Sydney Buses.
      Opal is so much better than Myki (the Vic govt had an option to go with Cubic for Myki but chose a cheaper company, what's funny is that Cubic sued afterwards).
      Myki fares are much cheaper than Opal.
      Sydney Trains network is much more extensive, and if you live more than 10km out of the city in Melbourne, you're (profanity) and will have an extremely long commute in comparison to Sydney.

      If I could have Sydney Trains and Opal in Melbourne, I'd move there in a heartbeat.

      • Melbourne Trams definitely 10x better than highly problematic Sydney's L2 and L3 Trams - They are slow and full on delays.

        Sydney Buses used to be bad, but they are improving rapidly since Gladys and Constances cutting down their services, and bringing in more trams to Sydney.

  • +8

    That's what happens when you privatise public transport and anything else: the profit seeking entity is obliged by law no less usually to cut costs and increase profits.

    Before the government made everything worse for some reason idiots - including myself - bought the ludicrous notion that prices would go down and service levels would go up. Well the idiots have been shown what actually happens now.

    Why would you vote in Labour or Liberal, the two parties that created this travesty. Clearly voting for anyone not looking to to renationalise public transport thereby lowering costs and increasing service levels is a vote that this lying for idiots was OK. Keep going, business as usual. Do not vote for them if this pisses you off.

    • -5

      thanks for the comment, i woudnt of thought that politics would be brought in but i definately do not trust any of the major parties in government. i think they are all corrupted. as trump said before- all talk no action

      • -3

        The issue is … when you have a problem with anything in life you take it to a technician to fix… car broken - mechanic - heart broken - surgeon - house broken - builder - mind broken - psychiatrist … Infrastructure broken - politicians !!!! The logic doesnt stack up. The entire system is broken.

    • +10

      Oh look it's the that's what happens when you vote for Liberal or Labour you idiots guy again. ¬_¬

    • +5

      Diji1, who should we vote for? Please give our lost souls some guidance, oh wise one!

      • Faulty, I cannot name a party to vote for but obviously you have not placated the right transport gods to ensure you get the best in this world/city.
        Leaving two spoonfuls of offerings every night at your local station will bring you speedy train lines you so rightfully deserve - we all know this.

      • He means Cory Bernardi's party.

      • +1

        The Communist Party of course. Jokes aside, politics is the major reason for the disarray of public transport in Australia. Unlike China, where the one party government can make a decision and follow it through to completion very efficiently. We have to put up with the inefficiencies of "democratic" parties making promises to voters, then at the next election when voters grow tired of the current party in power they elect the opposition. Which does just that, it opposes everything the previous government tried to implement. So we the taxpayers are forced to either bail out contracts (eg the East-West Link) or build useless white elephants at ridiculous expense to placate a small number of voters in marginal seats.

        • I would take the inefficiencies of democratic parties to anything in China. If you have not lived in a communist (or totalitarian) country please do not profess the benefits of a totalitarian government.

        • @misu p:

          I "do not profess the benefits of a totalitarian government". We live in a free country with free speech, so I can "profess" whatever I want. Which is absolutely critical to a functioning democracy. Suppression of ideas is the first step towards a totalitarian government.

        • -1

          @fieldo85:
          I was thrown off by "where the one party government can make a decision and follow it through to completion very efficiently."

          You actually do profess a totalitarian government, you consider it efficient and that is laughable.

          But anyway, having arguments on the internets with people that have seen a movie about it so they know what it is about is always a futile endeavor.

        • @misu p:

          I simply made an observation. I did not claim it was positive/negative. You inferred that.
          One only needs to looks at the body counts of totalitarian governments to observe that they carry out their goals with ruthless efficiency.

          “A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.”
          Aldous Huxley

    • A public transport system would draw criticism for the converse; an entity that tends to maximise costs and minimise efficiencies.

    • Government running the whole show is much worse. No need to be profitable, punctual, or in any way competitive when it would only create more work for you as a government worker.

      • +2

        And a Private Contractor is competitive how?

        • -1

          In this case it's just as bad because the company also has no competition…so yeah.

      • +3

        Actually, the maintenance of the system was better organised when it was a public asset. One of the reasons it's so bad now is that privatizing it meant instant, massive, cuts in maintenance.

        Also, the results speak for themselves. It's not punctual & it's not competitive - but it is profitable. Metro revenues were over 1.2 billion last year, from memory. And they made the ATO list of top 100 companies paying stuff-all tax. Again, from memory, it was in the order of 3‰

  • +16

    Melbourne PT isn't great, but it's probably the best in Australia. Perth is good too.

    • -8

      Hahahahahaahahahaahaha, nice april fool. You got me there….best in Australia!!!! Hahahaa

      • +6

        It's easy to bitch about your city's public transport, but what do YOU think is the best in Australia? I haven't lived in Perth, so can't comment on it, but PTV is miles ahead of Sydney and Brisbane. Melbourne had Myki years before Opal, its drivers aren't striking to throw tantrums, and no K sets.

        • +3

          Lived in Melb, Now in Perth.
          Both are pretty good, Melbourne was better because I could Tram all the way to the city from right near my house,
          Or I could Bus train to one station, or bus-train to another.

          Perth we have less bus services, and don't always link up with the trains in my area, but the trains are pretty good.
          Rarely late, clean and efficient.
          Also it only costs me $6 to get bus-train-bus to the airport.
          I'm Fifo and do it fortnightly, sure it takes about 45min longer than an Uber, but an Uber costs $65

          My wife commutes daily to Perth CBD, and has never had an issue, much better than sitting in a car on the Kwinana carpark with the public transport snobs.
          I reckon both are pretty good, never had an issue with Myki or Smartrider.
          Auto top up on both is great, tap on, tap off, whats so bad about it?

    • -6

      Ill give you an upvote, that was funny!

    • perth has to be the most advanced. Adelaide has to be the farthest behind.

      In perth buses, you can recharge your smartcard on the bus, you are not forced to use cash to buy a more expensive ticket(compared to the charge by smartcard) like in Adelaide.

      In Adelaide, they introduced a "new change" by introducing being able to tap in your metrocard in the back doors but only in few buses that runs in city lol.

      Myki in melbourne is better than the one in perth and Adelaide. In perth, you have to sign in and sign off, with metrocard and myki, only once.

      • +1

        I partly agree, having moved from Perth to Melbourne I find that I really took Perth's public transport for granted.

        In regards to the Myki, I hate how it's a fixed amount no matter how far you go. $4+ for one stop ?!
        I find that the Perth's system is better as it charges you based on distance accordingly (by zone)s which is why you need to tap off.

        • oh yeah, i agree with you totally, i forgot about that part of Perth's system, it was pretty good and fair.

    • +1

      I lived in Perth. I think its the best PT service in the country. Currently in the ACT and its not uncommon for buses not to run their routes or just come together in clumps.

      Perth public transport is privatised but they have a lot of performance requirements as part of their contract.

  • +1

    In London you have to take out the Oyster card too bc if it stays in your wallet your PayPass enabled cards will also touch and you get charges twice.

  • +4

    Honest question, OP: have you lived in any other Australian city? Every grievance you've mentioned is shared by Sydney, Brisbane, etc.; and now Sh*ttyrail drivers striking and holding the city hostage, oh, and there's no meaningful light rail network to pick up the slack. Yes, PTV can be frustrating, but it's miles ahead of the rest of the country.

    My only Victorian-specific bugbear is the prevalence of railroad crossings in the city. Why do these still exist in 2018? They completely disrupt traffic and during peak hours, gates can be down for 10-15 minutes at a time. At least Sydney planners had the foresight to include sunken lines, more overpasses and tunnels.

    • +3

      You wanna talk about railroad crossings huh? Well, in 2018, Canberra's getting a light rail line passing through the median strip of the main road into the CBD - crossing through 17 intersections on a 14km long route, and the light rail trains are set to be first priority through all intersections.

      As if getting into the CBD by car was absurd enough already haha…

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