Victoria's Public Transport Is The Worst I've Experienced. EVER

Victoria's public transport is a joke. I've only just noticed how freaking behind we are compared to some of the countries I've traveled to over the past few years. I can list so many things wrong with this current public transport. let's start.

  • Often train delays during the peak times, I know metro posts punctuality reports every month but what you really should post is the punctuality % during peak times, cause thats what really matters most. I bet that's not even above 50%.

  • Often train closures/bus replacements if they need to upgrade their infrastructure(or level crossing removal works) or if something emergency happened. literally, there are bus replacements somewhere in the network every day throughout the year. NOT TO MENTION THIS ALSO..(this is not the first time it has done that btw) In other countries I've been to, such as (Japan, China, US, Hongkong, Singapore) and even all of the poorer countries I've been to such as Thailand, there is no such thing as BUS REPLACEMENTS. you will never see buses replacing trains, all their trains run perfectly every day, and their train/metro network will not get stupid computer glitches that will shut their entire network down for several hours.

  • the lack of platform doors in Australia- pretty much ALL the stations in the countries I've been to have platform safety doors installed on every single platform, every single train/metro station. while I understand we don't have as much population density compared to the Asian countries, but the ones in Melbourne CBD should have them installed in my opinion since they can get really populated at times.

  • Their productivity rate is so slow….. they are building new stations in the CBD and it will take like 7 years for them to complete 5 stations, (they say it will be completed by 2025, but I HIGHLY doubt it. similar to how I HIGHLY doubt the NBN will be finished before 2020.) For your reference, it took 3 years for Shanghai to build the new line 17 which consists of 12 stations.

  • THE MOST ANNOYING THING OF ALL- OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION CARD MYKI. ITS LITERALLY THE MOST TRASHIEST THING IVE EVER USED. Firstly, especially on buses, the response rate of these 500-year-old machines are so slow! you put your myki on and it takes on average like 5 whole seconds for it to recognise the card, and sometimes it just simply would not work, so not only you waste all that time trying to touch on, I would assume the bus drivers won't be happy about it either since they will be running behind schedule(it will all add up). of course they do have new machines in the city where they are instant but literally, every other machine that's out of the cbd theres a massive delay.

  • Secondary you cant touch on with your myki with any material that's in its way(including the new ones in the city), therefore you have to literally take out your myki everytime you touch on and touch off. which is very inconvenient. I put my myki in a card holder behind my phone and its literally like 1cm thick and it does not recognise my myki at all….. In every other country ive been to, you can touch on your transportation card without taking it out. I once had my Shanghai public transportation card buried inside my handbag and just leaned it against the sensor- and BAM- it touches me on. i was genuinely surprised by the sensitivity. thirdly, some countries like China and parts of Europe you can use your iPhone's wallet app to touch on and touch off with your card. that is the ultimate dream of where you want to head to. but I know this will probably not gonna get introduced in Australia in my entire life probably.

There are many other issues with our current transportation system such as the high fares and the lack of airport rail, but these are the ones that mainly annoy me. I would assume there are many other Victorians or even people from other states that have similar thoughts as me. I would love to hear everyone's complaints and thoughts about this current public transport not just victoria but other states.. You are also welcome to criticize me on the things I'm saying wrong.

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  • +24

    I worked as a contractor for Myki when they were installing the systems before they went live for public use, and spent 3+ months testing extensively all over the network. Touch on times are ~0.2 seconds for wired installations(e.g barriers at train stations) and ~1.3 seconds for wireless installations(e.g. buses). A far cry from your absurd estimation of 5 seconds. The primary problem is people placing half the card on the reader at a 45degree angle, pausing, and then when they finally put it flat on the reader they drag it around in a circle, causing delays in the card being read. Again, ~1.3 seconds if you can hold a card to a reader, but the technology whilst being largely idiot proof is slowed down by people not touching on correctly.

    Even today I just put my wallet on the reader and it scans perfectly fine through thick leather wallet, notes, coins, bank cards, ID cards before getting to the Myki card. The sensitivity is fine.

    Platform doors are entirely unnecessary with the volume of people in our stations.

    Metro as a company(whom I later also was employed by) are bizarrely inefficient however. Privatization of public utilities is always a complete joke as they run it no more efficiently and then bleed the system to death so they can turn a quick profit. Jeff Kennett has a lot to answer for for mainstreaming the privatization of public utilities.

    • -1

      nope, when i scan my myki with my wallet it will just say "multiple cards detected" all the time

      • I just checked my wallet, THIRTEEN different cards of varying descriptions including PayWave etc, works flawlessly. You have a specific conflict, issue lies with you and your wallet contents not the reader.

        • +1

          i only have one myki in my wallet. what other card can conflict with my myki then?

        • @Zfan111222: I think you can try with your phones NFC.

        • +1

          @Zfan111222:
          I think all rfid cards like credit/debit cards and those building accesx card would cause the multiple cards detected error.

          I put the myki on one side of my wallet and others in the other side. when i touched on and off, i just flip open my wallet and scan only one side of my wallet with the myki card. this works for me.

        • "You're holding it wrong"
          Ignore the thousands of complaints, because if the isolated test cases work the system must be fine.

    • I usually have my student ID and Myki together. Myki machines don't register when I have the two cards stacked (out of wallet), but the card readers at uni registers my card even if it is stacked with mike, or inside my wallet, with all my other cards…

    • +18

      I was in Melb last week. I have a wallet with RFID protection, so I always take my cards out when I use them. My experience with Myki, both for this visit and previous ones over the last 2yrs, was also a 5-6 second wait for the card to be read when using trams. This is putting the card flat on the sensor without moving it around or at a 45degree angle. Very frustrating when there is a line of people trying to get in.

      I would also refute your "..placing half the card on the reader at a 45degree angle.." comment as being an end-user problem. It is not a problem on any other system I have used in the last 2yrs - Perth, Sydney, Hong Kong, Vancouver, France and Singapore - those systems read the cards just fine within 0.5-1 second even if placed at a 45degree angle (i.e. on one half of the card you have fingers between the card & sensor while holding it at an angle).

      The reason people "..finally put it flat on the reader they drag it around in a circle.." is because the system is too slow compared to everything else they have used and so they are trying to find the spot where it will read properly.

      That is, by definition, a system UX issue.

      • +2

        I don't experience the 5s delay with my MYKI card. I wonder if some people have dodgy cards or are causing a problem to their cards.

        • I have gone through close to 10 different mykis and travel extensively around Melbourne, so no, I don't think the case is individual.

        • +1

          @Banana: maybe the readers you have to deal with are slow.

    • +4

      Have you tried the transport smart card in other countries such as in Singapore, Hongkong and Japan? Any angles will do and they are really fast. I recently went to Hongkong and was out of habit tapping the reader like it was a Myki reader and was surprised at the speed and differences of how the two operates. It is just like ONE Myki customer passing the gate = TWO Octopus customers passing the gate. Not to mention that you can still buy paper ticket in case you forgot to bring your card.

      You mentioned that you were involved in the Myki installations. From what I remember, the government or the Myki people years ago initially boasted that Myki would be able to be used to purchase other things other than just being a transport smart card. What is the story with this?

      • +2

        I think that Myki is such a (profanity) that nobody dares extend it any further

    • +2

      I’ve worked in project implementation, and I always see the two sides of both parties. There’s the project team that gets the nuisances of the system and say, look, if you did it this way it’s fine, almost perfect. Just tweet your business process to accomodate it. Which is fine in a business.

      But in public transport, where you get new users every day on the system and no education on how to tap on, it’s oretty easy to imagine someone tapping on in a angle, or circle around believing the point of contact might be higher or lower or left or right coz the expectation is not for the time period set or the issue of a few degrees off centre.

      If the guys who made the system can’t understand the minds of the users the system is doomed to be crap, which, it kinda is to many users.

      I find it fine, but that’s coz I’ve learnt to live with it, but recently having visitors come, I regularly get reminded of the embarrassment myki is. And squirmed at reading your defence of it.

    • +1

      I see similar problems with access cards that people even bend and then complain its broken. In the defence of users in your example, maybe the reader should be better designed for a fool proof placement of the card ?

      I really hate PTV even the first train of the day from the starting station of my line, manages to be late. Punctuality and trains arent closely linked words in victoria

    • Had a 3 year gap in taking public transport and recently being a more frequent passenger. Unfortunately I'd have to agree with the delayed touch on time- it is significantly slower than I remember, particularly at peak hours where a swarm of people are getting through the gates at the station. And yes, I have my card out of my phone/wallet, laid flat on the machine and yet it's about a 2-3 sec lag till it reads my card.

      Whilst public transport in Melbourne is significantly better than where I originally came from, I think there are plenty of room for improvement.

    • +1

      And the never ending debt of the city link privatisation scam - the debt just keeps increasing, while we pay up front at the same time

  • +10

    I think you need a kit kat

    • +12

      Or a Snickers. You're not you when you're hungry

      • +1

        Are you a shill for the Easter Bunny?

    • -2

      You may be onto something there. I ate one of those chocolate easter eggs and it was just a thin shell with nothing inside. Been in a bad mood ever since. Thanks Obama.

  • +1

    What's a platform door?

    I agree they should digitise the cards so we can just use an app. It would mitigate the issue of misplacing the card as well as being more practical.

    • +2

      The doors on the platform that only open when there’s a train on the platform. Main point of them is for safety and to try and prevent suicide by train (common in Japan)

      • They may be common in Japan but I have rarely seen them with the places I've travelled in the world. Didn't see them in Switzerland, France, Italy, Prague, London, etc. I think the French would go mental if you tried to put that sort of system on the Metro.

        • i think theyalready exist on the automated line in paris (14?) and i vaguely remember them thinking of it, but it costs money and frogs are pretty tight so…. probably wont be for a while

        • @juki: Leaving aside existential angst The availability of so many postives in Paris probably means there is less need for suicide barriers. If they had the spare cash they could use them to fix up the stations - a lot of them are pretty rundown.

          I tend to feel the same about our stations. I know they don't tend to report suicide attempts but I don't think we have an issue with this in our underground systems. People tend to walk in front of the trains at the crossings instead, and there is little you can do to stop that. I think we have better things we could do with the money rather than the barriers,

        • +1

          Some London stations (the ones that get overcrowded in peak hours) have them.

      • -1

        Main point of them is for safety and to try and prevent suicide by train (common in Japan)

        Dog help us if Japan ever becomes a terrorist state.

        • +3

          WW2 - Kamikazes - Suicide Bombers? Terrorist is defined by which side you are on at whichever point in time?

      • +2

        If you wanted our train drivers to stop the train aligned with a platform door, you'd have to pay them more! It seems we don't pay enough to even get a train to the platform!

        • Train drivers already earn more than a lot of people. That's a fact. Why should they get paid more to do their job if doors were introduced (but probably not) in the future?

  • +8

    It's crap because public transport in Australia is considered a stopgap for the poor, rather than a system for everybody. It's crap because the politicians who pay for it, the people at the top of the organisations that run it don't actually use it.

    • +3

      yep, pollies completely out of touch.
      With Myki they engaged big4 accounting firms to make all the decisions (like that there was no top-up or card purchase available on trams), again, all the decisions being made by completely disconnected, non-users of public transport. All they care about are their fees, no regard for the users of the system.

      • The involved the big4? Did just one or all consult?

      • Meh another chip on shoulder comment. Please tell me which big 4 company are you talking abt? Or just throwing jargon? Also vast majority of corporate consultants catch PT.

        • +1

          Deloitte

        • +1

          @effgee:
          90% of their staff catch PT

    • +1

      For years we've pinned all our transport hopes on V8 utes!

    • +4

      Lol at politicians paying for anything. They take our money in taxes and spend it on "consulting hours" at their mates' firms. What they most certainly do not do is pay for anything.
      But you're right in saying they don't use public transport, or public anything really. They don't send their kids to public schools, they don't go to public events, and if they didn't need to, they wouldn't share public roads with us either. They see themselves as overlords, and they despise the public over whom they believe they rule.

      • +1

        Revolution??

        • +1

          Let's all not pay taxes.

  • Just curious, where have you travelled in life.

    I have never been to Sudan, or Djibouti, or even Syria, but I am pretty sure their public transport would be a lot worse. I am happy to pay for your flight there so you can experience it.

    Be grateful for what you have

    • Can I get a reward for being ungrateful too?

      There's just too much debauchery on the Northern Beaches of Sydney!!

      I hear it's even worse in Thailand…

    • But they don’t get charged for an absurd taxes like we do?

      • Our taxes aren't absurd given the amount of services we get. If you get sick in Australia it would be very rare it will drive you broke accessing the health care system; the same can't be said of many parts of the world including America.

    • They don't claim to have the most liveable city

    • +1

      its just different and maybe not as luxurious as some would like, but its flexible, rather timely (in adequacy with local culture), just a bit crowded.

      but why is this relevant, you sound like a mum saying eat your brocolli kids in africa are starving … apples and oranges

      PTV has been the most frustrating public transport I have ever used, so few trains, poor timeliness, sudden changes or route (lets suddenly not include the city loop ey?)

      • Like, it's my fault the train was late. So I had to wait at the train station to board a city loop train only to be told at Richmond that it's not going to city loop because it's running late! This is hilariously frustrating… :(

        • i agree, one of us must have misread the other or your message wasnt inteded for me.

        • +1

          @juki: It was not, i was just agreeing with you, venting my frustration at the common practice of metro trains. :(

  • +3

    The flaw with every Australian city's rail PT is their roots lie in the late 1800s - linear lines that all converge and intermingle in the centre. If one line is delayed, delays snowball to other lines.

    Melbourne calls its system a 'metro' but it isn't really. The real metros that Australians envy in Asia or Europe have dedicated, non-intersecting lines.

    We were an early adopter compared to the rest of the world (Singapore's MRT is 30 years old), but that old infrastructure is now an albatross around our necks. Changing the model now would be so expensive that I doubt it'll ever happen.

    • +1

      I agree that the current infrastructure in the tunnels could lead to bottlenecks but most of the lines do have dedicated infrastructure. I also agree the radiating in to the city is an issue for people who want to travel across the network and the intersection between trains, buses and trams could be improved a lot. I think our real problem is we just don't have enough patrons to provide the service large cities have. In Paris if you miss one train you wait the few minutes before the next one, here it can be considerably longer. Also there it is almost a mesh of stations around the system. Staying in Les Halles is amazing because there are so many different lines that travel through it.

      The biggest issue with Melbourne transport is the closer you are to the city the better your service is, which is a bit unfair. Then again, this is offset because the closer you are to the city the harder it is to drive anywhere. When we get in our car our usual thought is - "well I would't start here".

    • +6

      The irony is that we used to have both an inner circle and outer circle rail line that helped alleviate some of the issues faced by a radial system. Unfortunately we ripped them both out due to lack of use and the belief that the car was a better way to get around. We have also since sold on parts of land corridors created to prevent some of the issues we face now.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Circle_railway_line

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Circle_railway_line

  • Last week I jumped on a tram in Melb CBD, swiped my Myki and when I tried to swipe off my card a few stops later, the machine said something like "Please wait while the system reboots". Yeah, like the tram was going to wait. I waited as long as I dared before the tram proceeded, attempting a few more swipes, before jumping off. Sure enough, I was charged the default fare for the whole journey to the end of the line way out in the sticks.

    Best/worst experience was when I tried to catch a country train to Geelong from my local western suburbs station. The train pulled into the station but none of the carriage doors would open. No one could get off or get on. I believe the train subsequently pulled into a siding in open country (paddocks) a few kms down the line and the happy customers were eventually bussed to wherever they were going. I was going to miss my Geelong appointment, so I logged off my Myki, noticing that I had been charged $2 or $3 for not going anywhere. I just went home.

    • You do understand how Melbourne trams work, don't you?

      "The default fare on trams is a Zone 1, 2-hour fare. This is the appropriate fare for almost all tram trips. You don't need to touch-off. The only exception is if your trip is within the zone 1/2 overlap (on routes 86, 109 or 75) and you specifically want the cheaper zone 2 fare. Mar 26, 2012

      Zone 1 - 2 hour is standard for the entire network whether you are going one stop or the entire length. If you travel multiple times then it will automatically convert you to a full day fare, if that is appropriate.

      If you travel solely within the CBD then you won't be charged if you don't swipe, however, if you do swipe then it will assume a Zone 1 2 hour fare even if you try to swipe off in the CBD. (That is my understanding, happy to be corrected if someone knows better)

      It sounds like, in the second instance, there may have been something wrong mechanically with the train; do you really think the billing system will be automatically updated to include faulty train issues? Contact the provider and ask for a refund.

      • Money will be deducted if there is a default fare pending for the trip before. There is no charge for change of mind.

        It's a confusing system, I'll give him that.

        • So if I'm in the CBD and then swipe on I can swipe off again, if still in the CBD, and I won't be charged? I haven't seen anything that tells me that. Can you please give me the URL? Thanks.

        • @try2bhelpful:

          https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/tickets/myki/top-up-a-myki/myki-m…

          Change of mind
          If you touch on at a train station and then decide not to travel, touch off within 15 minutes and you won't be charged. There's no change of mind period on trams or buses.

        • @The Land of Smeg: thanks. It was trams I was talking about. I was aware of the change of mind for trains.

  • +3

    The fact that 4 minutes and 59 seconds late is still considered "on time" is absolutely ridiculous.

    If the train is coming at 10am, 10:01am means it's late.
    For my experience in Japan, what I really liked was that everyone knew that you line up at the sides of the doors, let people out first and then board the train.
    The problem here is that every different train design has a door at a different location, thus not being able to draw lines on the platform indicating boarding procedure.

    • +5

      Cultural differences are a factor too.

      In Japan people co-operate for the common good. Here people on the platform move to the centre of the door and try to get on before passengers get off, passengers step off onto the platform and stop in place while they look around and figure out where they need to go, commuters stand around in narrow passageways, at the landings of stairs and escalators and they don't keep left.

      No amount of lines on the platform will solve these problems.

    • In Melbourne one common trespasser/vandal is all it takes to cause delays to multiple lines. Agree that cultural difference are largely at play.

      • Same in Sydney. Not even anything related to the operations of the Sydney Trains network will cause delays e.g. the building fire in Circular Quay which made trains late the entire day

    • +2

      The tram can never come and it would still be considered on time

      • Before anyone thinks this man is trolling, he is actually correct. Trams can drop all passengers early and not reach the last few stops and turn around to be on schedule.

  • dont ever come to WA, you will be disapointed

    • fremantle line ain't bad…except when transferring from thornlie line where you only have less than 2 minutes to RUN to platform 7 or else you wait another 15/30 minutes

  • -3

    I see the problem here. You keep mentioning buses. Only shitty areas in Melbourne have busses. I’m surrounded by tram and train lines and I find the public transport system excellent. I’m never left waiting and it’s a short trip to the city. The sole issue is MYKI, but they are enabling NFC payment soon, so that problem is sorted.

    • … or we have new problems to compound onto myki.

    • +12

      I'm a rich inner city person, not my problem moyt!

    • +2

      Ahh.. the 'If you can't afford to buy a house then get a better job' debate.

      • A slippery slope Banana.

        • +1

          At least it's not Avocado

  • +5

    It’s not as bad as you are making out. Free trams in the CBD of Melbourne are actually quite a good idea.

    • -1

      Remember the good ole days of Kiwi transport? Sheep from paddock to paddock - ahh the memories.
      15 minutes was considered country hicksville at least unlike here which is latte sipping territory.

    • Its only really good for tourists and people that drive to the CBD. If I am taking the train into city everyday I already pay daily fare.

  • +3

    "Japan, China, US, Hongkong, Singapore"

    The difference is population density. Those cities are able to provide a better service purely because they have a LOT more people taking trains. Our urban sprawl makes it difficult to justify putting as much money to improve the quality/quantity of train services.

    • The opposite argument is used by the same politicians when it comes to automotive congestion, lack of parking, and poor postal service.

      • +1

        And rightly so, people drive a lot because PT, seems inadequate, and cause congestion etc.

    • And they're government aren't a bunch of retards with a population of sheep

  • +7

    Lived in Japan and Korea for many years. Came home to Melb and thought the transport sucked, same as yourself. I then moved to Sydney. What a clusterf%!k. Melb is leading the country imo. Unfortunately we are behind most of the world. Even Indonesia (also lived there for many years) has vetter public transport. Just have to stay away from the back of the bus and youths with knives… Wait… Still safer than oz.

  • +2

    Cos our pollies at all levels are hopeless at planning for the future especially when it comes to infrastructure. Can't imagine any pollies in the current day approving anything say like the Westgate Bridge or Sydney Harbour Bridge.

    The project times here also a joke as you mention but that's a deeper problem as Australia workplace laws and population don't allow for "mass cheap labour" you can get in many other countries. Like how the Ring Road is like a permanent road work.

    • +1

      I thought it was a car park for the airport!

    • To be fair, the system in which they are employed makes it hard to plan for the future, you get elected for a 3 year term and you try to make long term infrastructure plays? You will probably get kicked out by the next populist vote before your plan reached planning stage.

  • +2

    Most liveable city.

  • +2

    Don't worry, Melbourne is the most liveable city in the world, it must be awesome right? Best public transport, best education, lowest traffic, affordable housing, shortest health care waiting list, best dental health, lowest crime, no government corruption, balanced economy, even spread of wealth, no monopolies, low personal debt, reliable electricity grid, amazing infrastructure and planning, we've got it all!

    Oh, wait hang on….

  • +1

    Adding to the whinge: The trains are filthy. Lately I've been getting on trains in the morning and they haven't been cleaned from the previous day. Spilled drinks and food food wrappers are all over the place. There's visible bits of dirt and much over the floor. Sometime you get unlucky and some showerless hobo has left a liquid reminder on the seat and if you accidentally sit down, your clothes will reek for the rest of the day.

    Bonus whinge: Seat spacings are ridiculous. If you're above hobbit height, you can't sit on any of the seats facing each other without touching knees with another non-hobbit.

    • Another cultural difference when compared to Japan/overseas. It's the passengers who don't care about their presentation (hobos), litter and eat/drink adding to spills and smell. I don't get why people would litter when there are so many bins on the platform when they disembark

      • Come on, the only people I’ve ever seen eating on trains are asians and the odd kid.

  • +1

    Op… A rail link to our international airport…. That's just crazy talk!

  • +6

    I am one of the people that take buses regularly in Victoria, and I can honestly say that trains are heavenly compared to them. Many of the buses operating in my area (Outer Eastern Suburbs, Victoria) is old, worn out and downright dirty. Some buses don’t have an A/C working in the middle of summer, with no windows that can open (except the one right of the driver). Sometimes the doors don’t function properly and they keep opening and closing for no reason. Since the buses are programmed not to operate until all the doors are closed, the buses can stay idle for 5 to 10 minutes at a time. I had 5 incidents of bus engines breaking down just last year. However, the biggest problem here is that it’s ALWAYS tardy. Not just one route, either. I regularly take 8 or 9 different routes at different times during the week, and I could safely say that the buses were late by more than 5 minutes 60% of the time, and more than 10 minutes 30% of the time. It’s a serious problem, since I rely on buses most of the time to get to work. The buses can get pretty crowded too, almost as much as trains during peak hour. Not to mention, bogans love to take buses (touching on is not strictly regulated in buses unlike trains) and half the time the back is filled with them shouting and firing loud, obscene music on their $10 wireless speakers…

    • +1

      I feel sorry for you mate.

  • +1

    So it’s bad, but disrupting it to make things better is bad too.

    I’m pretty sure you’d find something to whinge about if it had the regularity of the Shinkansen, the beauty of the Moscow stations with the gates of the London tube.

    It’s not perfect but it’s not that bad, and getting better

  • +2

    Melbourne is the most overrated city in the world. World's most livable city title is just a joke. I have lived 2 years in Melbourne, I can say it was a good city not like the best. The transport system is a joke, even in Delhi the transport card detects when in wallet, but when I came here it says not detected, so I had to take out the card out of wallet every time. Moved to Sydney last year, trains are much better here although a bit expensive. No stupid trains replacing buses bullshit, and very few rail crossings on the roads. IMO, Sydney is more organised than Melbourne.

    • -2

      Sydney was a planned city, not Melbourne.

      • +2

        Lol you got it the other way buddy.

  • If there's replacement bus (because of train outage), some of the normal scheduled buses don't run. I waited for a bus for work over 1 hour on 2 occasions thinking it'll come eventually, but in the end I got mad and called missus to drive me. Then I got a car (a 2009 corolla ozbagain approved!) just 1 month ago, this solved it.

  • +1

    The other day I was stuck in traffic on a Sydney motorway for 1 hour - the signs all flashed, caution break down ahead… When I finally got to the breakdown, it was a guy in an unscathed practically brand new car in the shoulder lane and a motor way truck had completely blocked off the left lane of the motorway with a sign flashing "breakdown"… Completely unnecessary, he couldve just parked behind the guy in the shoulder and done the same thing, but felt a 10km delay for 1 hour was an appropriate safety measure.

    • Was it on 28 Mar evening on M4 towards Merrylands?
      I was travelling on that day and it was big jam.

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