Scoopon Problem / Bad Experience / Poor Planning

Hi. Just wanted to share a major flaw with the Scoopon deals (and probably most "clones" of the Groupon idea).

I purchased some gift vouchers for a massage/facial at a beauty place Natural Beauty Toorak in Melbourne. Felt quite clever of course, and the recipients were very happy!

As human nature works, they called the beauty place about a month before the offer expires. After being quizzed about whether they were using a "voucher", they were given almost no available times for the whole month. When one of them finally managed to attend an appointment, she advised that there were several phone calls during the treatment and while waiting, when the beauty therapist kept aggressively telling callers that there were "no sessions left" and to not have waited until the last minute!

Buyer beware! This may not qualify as a complete scam, but clearly these bulk sites are not doing their homework re. ability to satisfy customer demand. A one or two person shop will not be able to satisfy demand for 1000 scoopons (and they receive no revenue in the final month or two!). There will be the usual "what do you expect for big discounts" but I do believe it is unreasonable to have expiry dates but not be able to offer the service within reasonable parameters. Forget Gerry Harvey and his "tax-the-internet" billionaire brigade, even online, Ripoff Oz finds one more way to rip off customers…

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  • +1

    as per usual
    http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/37802
    http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/37436
    http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/33674
    not suprising at all
    demand for stock is greater than availability of stock hence resulting in profit but unhappy customers
    .
    QUOTES
    FROM …http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/37436
    mick123
    "yea this is the problem with these restaurant ones, which is why i stopped buying them. the website (zoupon, ouffer, scoopn etc) do not do enough to enforce the rules and really, the restaurant should not be asking if you have a voucher.
    Myer or Coles do not ask you before if you have a gift card.
    I say make the booking and don’t tell them you have the voucher.
    Give the voucher once seated at the table. If they say you didnt mention it at time of booking, say you were not asked. the person seating you is unlikely to be the one that took the booking (if it is a fairly busy restaurant).

    I know this is not the best way to do it, but if they want to play that game, we have to as well."
    .
    llama
    "Why do these restaurants promote themselves using the likes of Zoupon, and then create a poor experience for the people they are paying to promote to?"
    .
    moooooooo
    Don’t some vouchers require you to (1) make a booking and (2) mention the voucher at the time of booking? If you don’t tell them at the time of booking, it could be seen as a breach of the T&C’s so they could potentially make you pay full price?

    Of course, you would argue that yes, you did mention it. Absolutely. And if they didn’t write it down, that’s their problem. It depends on how much of a stink you’re prepared to make, I guess.
    .
    hussey
    I recently booked a Sydney place (1 chef hatted Omerta) through spreets, asked could I book for a friday with a spreets voucher the reply was “Absolutely sir” was a very friendly staff member, so I guess it’s down to the restaurant, as someone pointed out if they treat someone well they’ll get return business, bad and well you can just look up on the internet and see the shocking treatment!
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    gstfree
    I’m more affirmative not to involve in “group buy”
    I’ve been using Entertainment Book for 5 years, never have any drama.
    .
    .
    many more if you read around, i prefer to stay away from these

  • Thanks for getting me up to speed. Amazing that this is such a frequent experience!

    What a pity… Would be nice if business didn't look at their promotions as a way to be nasty - customers have long memories. Why make an offer that you seem to resent making? "Decency", "Ethical" and "Conscience" may be missing from their dictionary!

    • +1

      Yep, as someone who's been in Sales and Marketing for about 35 years, the way those places carry on makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever!

      Advertising and Marketing is expensive - most companies need to allow 10-15% of turnover to a decent marketing budget. These Coupon deals are really cheap advertising - they aren't even a "cost", because they still cover costs!

      So to antagonise the very clients who they have specifically promoted to - that is out-and-out commercial suicide.

      [shakes head in amazement]

      • http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/36815

        This deal may be an example of what you are saying.

        I had a good opinion of Zoupon before this deal but now that opinion has drastically changed. As for the other party, well, I don't see myself ever purchasing their products after this experience. If they sold too many vouchers, that shouldn't result in bad service for the customer (either during the booking in the above example or before the booking).

        Customers like to be treated with courtesy, good service and respect, however, I believe that these are severly lacking in this case.

  • Link to complaints summary https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmZdO-XjBpO2dER2bk1…

    I'll add to the list over time

    • +3

      Hi Davo111,

      We've just writing to let you know about some of these issues that have been listed here.

      Obviously, due to privacy policy were unable to provide specific details - but just to give you an update to these points that have been raised.

      29608 - The deal provider manager was able to rectify issue, after learning of the miscommunication between a staff member and the customer.

      32305 - Customer attempted to make booking in last 3 days of validity period over the weekend, when the provider was booked out already for that weekend.

      32542 - We have previously asked any customers who have concerns regarding this offer to contact us, and have been offering refunds to anyone who has unused vouchers.

      In regards to node 25009, I'm unsure of the outcome, as we search by customer account name and email address. So a Ozbargain ID does not provide enough detail to find the resolution in our system.

      If anyone has any concerns or queries regarding a Scoopon offer, we kindly ask that they visit http://helpcenter.scoopon.com.au/ to see if their question might already be answered in the Help Centre - or to 'Drop Us A Line'.

      Kind Regards,
      Team Scoopon.

      • +2

        Scoopon, why have you ignored my emails?

        Ticket ID: SSV-766463 RE: Saldechin.

        Below is what I was served.

        http://img42.imageshack.us/i/15676115277543153371279.jpg/
        http://img808.imageshack.us/i/16578715277543953391279.jpg/

        • What is that 2nd dish?

        • looks terrible unless you are intending for homestyle , the second pic is just scary
          awwwww

        • Despite above, Scoopon refused to refund me. They are just as worse as Spreets.

          I think I'll have to boycott them and stick to JumpOnIt, Ourdeal and Cudo - no problems.

          @arcticmonkey & Mikinoz - it was meant to be Sticky Wagyu Beef - but it was more like burnt supermarket topside

      • i'M A LITTLE CONCERNED i PURCHASED 2 SCOOPON VOUCHERS FOR A1 detailing in melbourne, tried to book it a number of times & left a number of voice mails to no avail. Made a complaint to Scoopon and was told by Kate to follow up with national manager and provided mobile and no answer or calls returned there??? Eventually had a call back from detailer and locked in tomorrow for detailing for 2 cars..Beleive it when i see it?? seems very dodgy? natinal manager does not ever have recorded message on voice mail??

        • Hi Craigm59,

          Just wanted to check that you received the email from our Support Team regarding the refund being approved after further follow up?

          Kind Regards,
          Team Scoopon.

  • I have just used 2 Scoopons in the last week (they were Christmas presents. One for Tall Ships and the other for a high tea at MoS. Both were a great experience and there were no hassles booking. The Tall Ships one expired in a year (very generous) and the other in April. These are the first (and only) ones I have.

  • Bad Scoopon experience here.
    Waited until the last week of a voucher to make the booking (stupidly, as it turned out).
    By that time there were no tables free so the booking couldn't be made.
    The scoopon custom service was really, really bad - only an email address, with replies taking 3+ days (not good in the last week of a voucher).
    My advice is that scoopon might be OK if you're going to use the voucher IMMEDIATELY.
    But otherwise avoid scoopon.

    • Hey roddiw,

      We're very sorry that it has taken us this long to get back to your email.

      We've actually put on more staff, and are still looking for more, to help with the huge amount of customer emails that we've been receiving. Over the Christmas period we had an avalanche of emails, and we've been slowly catching up.

      We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience that a delay in responding to your query may have caused, but we are striving to improve our customer support system all the time.

      Also, for conversation tracking purposes - for both the customer and our staff - we require all support to be conducted via email.

      Kind Regards,
      Team Scoopon.

      • Dear Scoopon Team,
        Out of curiosity, as this is a common problem.
        If say, I were to buy a dining voucher, and I make a booking immediately , but by the time the voucher is expired and it is impossible to make a booking what-so-ever.
        As this will be a common problem, may i suggest the following resolution to make your business and customers happy :)
        -Extend expiry date/Have no expiry date
        -Have a stock limit(have a maximum available stock, e.g.if a dining business can only serve x amounts per day, it would be best if [for no expiry date] everyone could make a booking)(or have no maximum stock BUT have no expiry date)
        -Make sure everything that is included in package is included on the voucher

        As your business and other group buy business have a weakness in this area, this part of the business is critical in maintaining your long term business success.

        ~issh

        • Thanks issh. As the original poster, I was about to suggest something similar!

          Obviously, if you sell 700 scoopons for a personal service with a few staff (and people are prepaying for them in cash so will probably use the service), then appointments will become scarce. Especially in the final months…

          It is also unreasonable to expect a business to run for months without many full paying customers too. So it would make sense to say something like: (validity 1 year; offer opens 12 December 2010; final booking date: 11 December 2011; final expiry date 11 June 2012).

          And if you hope to get any repeat customers out of your "marketing exercise" (remember the reason why your business did the scoopon?!), then try not to treat your customers in a cheap and nasty way!

        • +1

          Hi issh and gpsnomad,

          Thanks for your suggestions, they are fantastic ideas.

          We're always looking at ways to improve the Scoopon experience for our community, so we'll pass on your suggestions to the Sales and Planning teams.

          Kind Regards,
          Team Scoopon.

        • @ Sco0pon
          Thanks for considering it

  • +1

    It's not value to save 50% for any possible horrible experience.
    I'll keep away.

  • yeah, i strongly agree with the guys, scoop on is disappointing and try to avoid it.

    Me self got 2 bad experience with it.
    Once with a restaurant which should serve a buffet dinner as in the coupon but they didn’t.
    I emailed scoop on complained regarding this but never get replied – as predicted.
    2nd one with a fitness vouchers from V-Club for 10 visits.
    Scoop on didn’t mention anything on terms and whatsoever but V-Club insisted it has to be used within 10 days of registration. What the F? They should mention this on the deal.

    I can set up a business like this easily, selling deal to everyone and not providing services as advertised then not seriously respond on their complaints.

    • Hi bartsimpson,

      Thank you for your post.

      Can you please confirm that you emailed our support team via [email protected]?
      If so, can you please advise the ticket ID that you received from our autoresponder to advise that your email had reached our inbox? We will pass this information on to our Support Team Leader to follow up urgently - as our support team will endeavour to respond to all queries within 48 hours.

      All Scoopon deals that are listed live on the website are approved by our deal partners. If for any reason the deal is changed after the deal has gone live, we kindly ask that you email us at [email protected] so that we can investigate the matter further.

      We are more than happy to assist you with a refund of your purchase cost if the provider is not able to honour your Scoopon voucher to the deal that was listed in our deal page.

      Kind Regards,
      Team Scoopon.

  • Here's how to get your money back (if your right!)

    The ACCC's approach to resolve a problem can be found here - http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/815327

    If you are unhappy, you can make a formal complaint. It does take a little while, but helped me get my refunds rightfully.
    Goto http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/54217/from… for info regarding Complaints and inquiries with the ACCC
    The Infocentre can be contacted by calling 1300 303 609 (Australian callers)
    or + 612 6243 1305 (overseas callers).
    Staff are available to answer your call from 8.30am EST until 6pm WST.

    Also, You can search our Consumer & Business Directory for details of many organisations which may be able to assist. There is a link to the directory in the menu on the left.

    Or, ACT Office of Fair Trading (OFT) on 02 6207 0400, or fax your complaint to 02 6207 0538, or post to GPO Box 158, CANBERRA CITY ACT 2601 , or email compaints with reference or ticket number to [email protected].
    refer - http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/288305/fro…

    Best of luck, and watch out for these new trend online scammers :)

  • Making a report
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    Australian Competition and Consumer Commission
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    Consumer Affairs Victoria (Department of Justice)
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    New South Wales Fair Trading
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    South Australia Office of Consumer and Business Affairs
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    Tasmania Fair Trading (Department of Justice)
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    Western Australia Consumer Protection (Department of Commerce).
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