Help Me Understand This Rule

CMH on 11/06/2018 - 21:07
Last edited 11/06/2018 - 21:57

https://imgur.com/a/npiQLQl

Car A and Car B are both on right-turn-only lanes.

As you can see, the lines on the road are clearly marked.

Here is a link to the official road rules. Please refer to rule 33. If link doesn't work just google "road safety road rules 2017"

According to rule 33 (2) Car A has to follow the line, and ends up on the right-most lane.

For Car B, the line abrubtly ends, so I assume should follow rule 33 (3)… I'm confused to what it actually means.

And if Car A did not follow the line, and ends up on the next lane, and has a collision because of it, is it automatically Car A's fault (assuming Car B is ahead, and have followed their line as far as it went)?

edit: its rule 33 that I'm confused about

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Comments

  • buckster on 11/06/2018 - 21:26
    +2

    Basically, if car A veers out of it's lane into another car, unless car B also veers into car A's lane at the same time

    • CMH on 11/06/2018 - 22:02

      The question now is which lane belongs to whom?

      In the event of a collision can Car A claim that Car B should have gone to one of the left lanes? (Do notice there are a total of 5 lanes)

      • Yummy on 11/06/2018 - 22:48
        +1

        Car A go to lane #5 only.
        Car B go at lane #4 but can go to #3 but watch the opposite traffic.

        • CMH on 12/06/2018 - 01:26
          -1

          Dotted line for opposite traffic, so opposite traffic should look out for Car B.

          But of course you should still watch out for the idiots who don't.

        • [Deactivated] on 12/06/2018 - 10:00

          @CMH: Leave Victoria!

        • [Deactivated] on 12/06/2018 - 12:02

          @peter2480:
          He will have to drive a long way to do that.

  • pegaxs on 11/06/2018 - 21:49

    What are you asking? If A can move out further? Or merge into B’s lane after the turn line ends? I would say no.

    I would think that rule 33 (2) would also apply here. (Rule 32 only deals with starting the right turn from a multi lane road.)

    If there is a turn line indicating how the turn is required to be made, the driver must make the turn as indicated by the turn line.

    And from there, Rule 33 (3) would also apply, as the turn line for car B ceases to exist at a certain point and would be treated as a lane with no turn line.

    turn line means a road marking, at an intersection, consisting of a line (whether broken or continuous) that is designed to indicate how a turn is to be made at the intersection.

    • CMH on 11/06/2018 - 22:00

      What are you asking? If A can move out further? Or merge into B’s lane after the turn line ends?

      B doesn't really have a lane, since their line ends before any lane. Which means 33 (3) is in effect.

      And I'm confused with the wording. Where is Car B supposed to go? I'm assuming 33 (3b) means stay on the left lanes, but 33 (3a)? Does it mean they're meant to go to the right-most, left lanes (if that makes sense)?

      But basically I did wonder if Car A can move into the 2nd lane, or if Car B is expected to move to the left-most lane.

      • pegaxs on 11/06/2018 - 22:21

        I would say that the turn line for A is on the inside and that this line extends all the way through the intersection. Car A must follow the turn line. So, no, car A can not drift out of their lane as the rule says they must follow the “turn line”

        • CMH on 12/06/2018 - 00:34

          I'm a little confused with the wording for 33 (3a)

          passes as near as practicable to the right of the centre of the intersection

        • John Kimble on 12/06/2018 - 06:56
          +1

          @CMH: the second picture on page 32 illustrates what they mean.

      • John Kimble on 12/06/2018 - 06:59
        +2

        Just stay in your lane when making a turn (giving way to long vehicles of course), and you won't cause an issue. Simples.

  • Sage on 11/06/2018 - 21:52

    They need to stay in the same lane to make sure no one gets in each other's way, it's common courtesy than anything.
    Generally you can choose what lane to turn into, but obviously you must obey the lines on the road as said above.

    • CMH on 11/06/2018 - 22:03

      Generally you can choose what lane to turn into

      Which car are you talking about? Can Car A choose which lane to turn into?

    • pegaxs on 11/06/2018 - 22:37
      +4

      it's common courtesy than anything.

      It’s road rules. It’s not about common courtesy. It’s about following the road rules.

      Generally you can choose what lane to turn into…

      What? There is no choice. Car A must follow the turn line. Car B must follow the turn line. Common courtesy isn’t a legal defence.

  • Fier2 on 11/06/2018 - 22:19

    Look like you get involved in a car accident and try to blame teh other car.

    Car A should be on the far right lane and car B on the lane next to it. If the lane for car A is ending , then the road want him to slow dow and merge into his left lane whenever it s safe to do. Same thing if it was car B lane that end up abruptly, he would have to wait to merge into the right lane. As for any other lines, they re there for car that come from the opposite way so no car B shouldn t go on the far left as suggested but follow his marked line.

    • CMH on 12/06/2018 - 00:39
      -1

      Look like you get involved in a car accident and try to blame teh other car.

      Don't make silly assumptions.

  • Randxyz123 on 11/06/2018 - 22:39

    Car A goes to the right lane. Car B goes into the next lane over. I've amended your diagram here

    If car B chose to go to the far left lane (assuming it was safe to do so) if they needed to turn left straight away they could likely do that as long as it was clear. I don't drive near that intersection much so I don't know if there are cars turning left at the same time. Car A CANNOT in most cases do this. Unless of course the left most right hand turn lane was empty. Even still it would be a risky move if someone decided to turn right last minute.

    The real question is were you in an accident at this intersection? and which car were you in?

    • Yummy on 11/06/2018 - 22:49
      +1

      Jesus, car B. Do you want to kill yourself with that kind of curve? :P

      • pegaxs on 11/06/2018 - 23:09
        +2

        I’m trying to find the Road Rule where applying the hand brake to turn the vehicle is applicable in this scenario…

      • CMH on 12/06/2018 - 00:32
        +2

        Thank god the turning lanes go green at different times for the opposite directions in this intersection….

  • wolffram on 11/06/2018 - 22:57
    +2

    Car A must stay in the right hand lane as he completes the turn-once the turn is complete he can then indicate and move left if he wants. Car B is not bound to remain in a specific lane after the turn.

  • afoveht on 11/06/2018 - 23:02

    Basically just don't cross solid lines. That means A is more restricted than B in this situation; if that's an issue for A then they should prepare before the turn to get into B's turning lane.

    In real life B is going to go wide to better dodge A and A will probably take up some of that slack as they enter the new road to make their turn less tight.

    • pegaxs on 11/06/2018 - 23:20
      +3

      Car A cannot move into Car B’s lane until the turn is completed. Rule 33 (2) of the Road Rules states this.

      If there is a turn line indicating how the turn is required to be made, the driver must make the turn as indicated by the turn line.

      As the turn line for Car A extends all the way from the start point of their turn until the end of the turn, then Car A cannot change lanes while this line is active, ie, all the way through the turn.

      Car B on the other hand, can move lanes, as their turn line only continues about 2/3rd the way into the turn. Car B would be able to move out of their lane as there would be no other car turning right from Car B’s left side.

  • bobbified on 11/06/2018 - 23:40
    +6

    Car A follows the line to the most right lane. Car B has an option of turning into any lane, except the most right lane (where car A has to turn into).

    Once the turns are completed, then the usual rules for changing lanes applies.

  • Candour on 12/06/2018 - 07:26

    ring the vic roads or the regulators in your state and clarify the law with them. or ring racv etc. they are the best authorities for legal opinions.

  • backpaqer on 12/06/2018 - 08:24

    Let the insurers work it out. That's what you pay them for.

    • CMH on 12/06/2018 - 10:28
      +1

      So you're advocating NOT following any road rules, and just pay your insurer's excess to deal with your accidents?

      Love it.

  • Scorpex on 12/06/2018 - 09:12
    +3

    Simple and obvious. Stay in your lane while turning. If you then wish to change lanes after turning, indicate and move across when safe to do so.

  • Stevek1960 on 12/06/2018 - 09:19
    -1

    ^^^^^^^^what he said, it aint hard

  • HeWhoKnows on 12/06/2018 - 11:31

    Each car should remain in the same lane throughout the entire turn.
    The car in the right hand lane must remain in the right hand lane throught the turn and into the next road.
    If they are turning into a 3 lane road the car in the 2nd right turn lane may proceed in either the middle of left lance after the turn.
    Once passed the turn if either wish to change lines they should indicate 30m before changing lanes.
    This may change according to line markings on the road.

  • [Deactivated] on 12/06/2018 - 12:01

    I reckon Car C is at fault for not indicating.

  • haimrevolution on 12/06/2018 - 15:32
    +1

    Car A must stay in the far right simple as that. If car A changes ahead and causes a collision it is car A fault. If behind and rams car B still car A fault

    • CMH on 12/06/2018 - 15:36
      -1

      Kinda gets to a grey area if Car B was behind as everyone, regardless of whichever specific rule is being broken, has a responsibility to avoid a collision if possible.

      If there's proof that Car B could have seen Car A, and had time to avoid the collision, Car B would find that at best they're partly responsible. That's my interpretation of the rules anyway.

      • John Kimble on 12/06/2018 - 15:44

        Huh?

      • phocus on 13/06/2018 - 09:52

        Wrong. Car A needs to check their blind spot too. Car A cant just be changing lane willy nilly cause they are slightly ahead. Please hand in your licence on your way out

  • Scorpex on 12/06/2018 - 17:07

    Hmmmm….re comments that Car B can swing across in the turn to any of the outside lanes. This may be the law, but it is courtesy to stay in the middle lane. How often have you been waiting to turn left (say from the bottom side of the intersection shown, into Dandenong Road) while the right hand turners swing across to the left lane for no reason whatsoever. This happens so often when a single turning lane goes into a two lane road - watch the right turning cars swing right across!! If every one sticks to their lane, the left turners can move into the road as well and traffic flow is maximised.

    • bobbified on 12/06/2018 - 18:25

      How often have you been waiting to turn left (say from the bottom side of the intersection shown, into Dandenong Road) while the right hand turners swing across to the left lane for no reason whatsoever.

      If you're waiting to turn left (assuming it's left turn at any time) at the bottom of that intersection, you shouldn't assume which lane Car B is going to take. It's not always easy to judge and there's a high risk of a side swipe (which would then be your fault) if you make the wrong assumption. If Car B is turning right and wants to turn left soon after, the driver is naturally going to want to go into the leftest lane. You won't know until Car B completes their turn.

      Best to wait for a gap before turning left.

  • bobbified on 12/06/2018 - 18:23

    ignore - replied in wrong spot

  • SlickMick on 12/06/2018 - 21:18

    It's pretty obvious. Car A must stay in right most lane. Car B has the convenience of spare lanes to slide left as he sees car A is driven by an idiot.

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