BMW X5 or Honda Odyssey - 7 Seater, Dilemma!

JunkCap on 10/07/2018 - 12:07

we are in the crossroads where we are looking to get a 7 seater.. Honda Odyssey looks really comfortable and can accommodate 7 adults and is priced around $42K on the other hand, BMW x5 - 30d can accommodate 5 adults and 2 kids very comfortably and is priced around $100K.

Options
Honda - Repayment is $852 p.m. and cars mine in 5 years which I have to sell privately
BMW - Repayment is $1330 p.m. and car is leased for 5 years with 40% balloon and $10K down payment, can walk away from the car in 5 years

Having child seat in the last row on BMW x5, is that a good idea?

What are your thoughts! Need some decisioning power from you guys!

Love the X5, but Honda looks very comfortable but lacks the power and class of the bmw……..

Automotive

Comments

    • Euphemistic on 11/07/2018 - 13:08

      $80k investment vehicle? Obviously if you buy the BMW you are going to get a better job and all us mere mortals will worship you.

      • gutenmuach on 11/07/2018 - 16:33

        lol nice idea. Aside from the sarcasm, if your job requires the brand/image then yes go for it. it's no investment boy, when it's a depreciating asset.

  • Slippage on 11/07/2018 - 16:32
    +6

    An suv is not a 7 seater, it’s a 5 seater with a couple of cramped spots at the back, only useful for short trips. Your family will put grow the X5 quickly, if you have to use the 3rd row often.

    I am doing the rounds of the vans and I found the Honda disappointing. I like (in order) and recommend you take a look at:

    • VW Multivan (both the comfortline and highline in both SWB and LWB are under 100k)
    • Hyundai imax (refresh version)
    • KIA Carnival

    If status is your thing, look at the Mercedes van. It’s nice but not value for money

    Source: X5 owner looking to buy a van.

    • JunkCap on 12/07/2018 - 15:39

      Thank you ;-)

    • Onnzo on 12/07/2018 - 16:53
      +1

      Agreed. You need to Consider access to the third row as well as anchor points dependent on age.

      These points are more important than style/looks/engine etc. if you can’t get the kids in easily, the car is useless.

      He carnival is a great package. But if you want prestige, the Vito’s are ok.

    • happirt on 13/07/2018 - 19:41

      u should look into vans like elgrands, alphard ..etc

  • bad hombre on 11/07/2018 - 21:35

    If you can afford it go the X5, the X5 is a better car but 3rd row seating as many have said will be pretty unusable.

    Being a bargains focused forum you will find most telling you to save your cash and get the Honda, I believe the Honda is a true 7 seater for less.

    Kia also do a proper 7 seater - have you considered other options?

    • JunkCap on 12/07/2018 - 15:40

      Just reading through this post has confused the cr@p outta me. I might have to start with a clean slate with Audi and Tesla in Play. Kia carnival looks like a good option, but might as well get Honda as kia platinum is more $$$

      • bad hombre on 12/07/2018 - 20:03
        +1

        Kia is a better car from what I read and a few people I know own one. Kia's in general are well made cars and rated quite well in the latest JD report.

        We recently purchased a new car and were seriously considering a Tesla but in the end the German's still have them beat (just my opinion), model3 will be a game changer for electric vs ice. However, all major manufacturers will have an "affordable" electric to compete against the model3 when it gets to Australia.

        Normally BMW and Honda don't get on peoples car shopping list as a comparison so this thread is both and interesting in terms of how people make purchasing decisions.

  • krismoha685 on 11/07/2018 - 22:01

    I am driving Honda Odyssey Vti from past two years ( bought a near new model with 7k on it ). It's a 8 seater on paper but i would call it a 7 seater

    Pros

    Space wise, very comfortable.
    Car seat will easily fit on back seats
    After all seats are up, you will have decent boot space, a standard pram will fit easily

    Cons

    Not enough power

    But i don't think its a big con for me, as i feel enough for local driving. Max drive so far was for 5 hours and did not see any issue.

    Honda Odyssey vs BMW X5 comparison seems bit odd as they are of different levels.

    I could only afford Honda but if i have a choice , will opt for BMW . This is my personal view

  • Nalar on 11/07/2018 - 22:01
    +2

    Putting kids into a $100k SUV…..brave!

    • chicken8 on 12/07/2018 - 16:42

      Not sure why you would think that. I have a 150k car and it does the daycare drop offs and pick ups

      you're not depreciating it by any noticeable amount by having kids in it. a good $500 detail will get it looking better than most of the competition up for sale

  • ShortyX on 11/07/2018 - 22:09
    +3

    How big is your family? Take a look at the Sorento, Santa Fe or Carnival.

  • raging on 11/07/2018 - 23:09
    +2

    Get the Oddysey for the wife to drive. Use the money saved from not getting the x5 and get yourself a fun 2 to 5 seater, the stinger gets a few mentions these days.

    You're welcome.

  • Alexaxis on 11/07/2018 - 23:23
    +1

    If you have sit in an Alphard you wont chose either of these two…

    • happirt on 12/07/2018 - 20:27

      agreed

  • Yummy on 11/07/2018 - 23:32

    Get a Hummer.

  • bbqwer on 11/07/2018 - 23:39
    +3

    Get carnival diesel !

  • [Deactivated] on 11/07/2018 - 23:48
    +1

    I'd back the Honda as a better option if you consistently need +5 seats.

    Of note the BMW X5 is imminently going to be replaced (a couple of months) so buying now and you will effectively be driving an older out of date car (in which case why not buy a much cheaper second hand one in the first place?).. and if you were to wait for the new X5, expect to pay even more than you have budgeted now.

    Verdict: go for a Honda demo model; invest the savings or use them for a holiday (total cost of ownership will be far less).

  • Zylam Marex on 12/07/2018 - 01:57
    +3

    Love the X5, but like others have said, you don't know what you are getting into if you have to ask: "Should I get an X5 or a Odyssey".

    Save the 50K and get the Odyssey. Keep dreaming big and get something of that level next time when the kids are sorted.

  • [Deactivated] on 12/07/2018 - 03:39
    +2

    OP as others have said - the 3rd row on SUVs are the cheap seats. Nobody wants to ride in them by choice. If you’re often using all seats seriously consider a people mover.

    I tried sitting in the 3rd row of an X5 whilst car shopping and that doesn’t work at all for a 185cm adult. The 3rd row of a Q7 isnt exactly luxury either - awkward to get in and out, and not spacious but at least it works for short trips.

    Everyone I know who’s driven or ridden in a Kia Carnival loves them - I rode in one recently it was brilliant. If I was carrying 7 adults it’d be top of my list. Nothing wrong with an odyssey either.

  • DanielR on 12/07/2018 - 06:04
    -2

    Never owned a Honda but can’t say much on that behalf… I have owned 2 bmws X1 and X5… both bought new and under BMW finance after warranty had expired on one of my bmws (after 3 years) it was around 5 years old and 200,000km the timing chain went.. I had always had it serviced at BMW… BMW covered the repair and replacement of the timing chain free of charge.

    If your going to have any vehicle long term, consider the following, warranty, consider having it serviced always at a dealer. After sales service is the most important factor in buying your next vehicle

    • Euphemistic on 12/07/2018 - 06:25
      +2

      If your going to have any vehicle long term, consider the following, warranty, consider having it serviced always at a dealer. After sales service is the most important factor in buying your next vehicle

      thousands and thousands of people buy second hand cars and have them serviced at a local mechanic and keep them for a long time with very few dramas. The money saved on the purchase price and servicing costs can be used for unforeseen breakdowns. Buying a near new vehicle with a dealer service history is a good way to save many dollarinos. Buying new BMWs and having them serviced at a stealership is not.

    • whooah1979 on 12/07/2018 - 07:00
      +3

      I had always had it serviced at BMW… BMW covered the repair and replacement of the timing chain free of charge.

      the dealership not charging for a replacement timing chain was the least they could do after you paying for five years of bmw service costs.

      • DanielR on 13/07/2018 - 09:41

        I had free scheduled servicing up to 80,000km… BMW do offer those deals when you commit to buy

  • snajper on 12/07/2018 - 08:02

    Had honda accord with the same2.4L engine…. very noisy and not refined esp uphill…. it will do your head in after a while….honda would have been a great car if it offered 3.5Lv6…
    Look elsewhere… new santa fe is out… try them all before you commit… it is an important decision

  • solidussnake on 12/07/2018 - 10:16

    Why not consider a CX9 Turbo diesel ?

    • Chandler on 12/07/2018 - 10:58
      +2

      Because the CX-9 is a turbo petrol?

      The (just released) CX-8 is diesel.

    • tomleonhart on 12/07/2018 - 19:21
      -1

      Turbo diesel ? As opposed to what ? Non turbo diesel ? Lol

      • bdl on 12/07/2018 - 21:24

        Non diesel turbo :)

  • Multiplex on 12/07/2018 - 10:17

    Will there be a new generation Odyssey? 6th Generation?

  • thirdwill on 12/07/2018 - 10:50
    +1

    Santa Fe

  • ev3nfl0w on 12/07/2018 - 11:28
    +1

    I think the real question here is:
    "Is the extra money for the X5 worth it?"

    The majority of the answers provided seem to indicate:
    "No, it's not worth the extra $$$, unless you have enough of it to burn."

    I have got to agree with the majority here (I own both a Hyundai Tuscan and a BMW 325i) and tell you that the driving experience on the BMW will probably be better than the Odyssey - but not by $50k+

    Reliability and service wise, the BMW will also be way more cumbersome & expensive to maintain compared to most Japanese/Korean vehicles.

    Hope that helps and both are great cars (heard raving reviews on the Odyssey) so best of luck with your purchasing decision!

  • picklewizard on 12/07/2018 - 11:30

    The Honda will give you years of hassle-free motoring.

    The BMW is unlikely to do the same.

  • rave75 on 12/07/2018 - 11:39
    +2

    kia carnival?

  • foolsgold on 12/07/2018 - 11:48
    +3

    I don't own an X5 but have been as an adult in the back 3rd row of Seats, theyre a pain in the ass to access, theres very little head room or leg space. Amazingly it's too small of a car to support it. I would look at Volvo, Mercedes, Land Rover, Audi. Maybe wait for the X7, or look at the Q7/Q8, GL, XC90, all better at taking more passengers.

    Edit: You could probably get a XC90 loaded for the less than the price of 25d X5.

  • potm on 12/07/2018 - 15:17
    +1

    $852 times 60 = $51,120
    10,000 + $1,330 times 60 + 40,000 = $129,800

    Ouch

    • JunkCap on 12/07/2018 - 15:45

      Yup.. right calculation.. but.. that $40K is me not paying and giving the car back…

      • bad hombre on 13/07/2018 - 12:02
        +2

        Ok so you pay $80k out of pocket for the 5 years for the X5 and come out the end of it with nothing if you decide to hand the car back. With the Honda you pay $51k and can sell the car for say 40% of the purchase price, say $17k.

        To some, the extra $767pm to not own anything at the end of 5 years doesn't impact their life/financial goals and to others it does.

        By the time you finish reading this the Jones have bought a Q8 so stuff them and their money vault :)

  • chicken8 on 12/07/2018 - 16:39
    +2

    I would look at a land rover discovery over the X5.

    much more room and just as nice an interior unless you buy the entry level spec. Proper third row as well

    I have a current shape range rover sport which is basically the interior that went into the new disco 5. I've had 4 BMWs in the past along with 2 porsches (cayenne and boxster) and the current disco and RRS build quality is right up there with porsche and slightly better than the BMWs

    not sure how their finance terms are though. you can pick up a used Disco 4 for similar price to the Odyssey

    • CalmLemons on 13/07/2018 - 23:16

      How's the disco for driving urban? I have an ML/GLE now and I find it just lurches it's weight around.

      • chicken8 on 15/07/2018 - 08:41
        +1

        I haven’t owned the new disco but have had the old disco 4 V6 diesel as a loan car and brother in law has one as well. Same engine as my RR sport and it’s peefectly fine around town

        The new disco 5 base model is a 4cylinder diesel and that might be down on low end power. I assume it would be the same if you have the 4 cylinder ML250

  • Euphemistic on 12/07/2018 - 17:20
    +2

    After all these posts OP needs to first decide either people mover or SUV based on his/her actual usage plans. Then you can start a proper comparison, apples with apples. Not apples with oranges.

  • CocaKoala on 12/07/2018 - 17:34
    +2

    Neither - buy a Kia Carnival. The Honda is underpowered, and the X5 is not really a good value proposition (I don't give a rats behind about "impressing" people whom I don't care about or like). The Carnival is loaded to boot with options and safety features. You couldn't ask for more IMHO.

  • stingy-oz on 12/07/2018 - 17:44
    +2

    Depends on what you wanted. I was at the same crossroad but it was X5 vs Q7; and went for Q7. I had my share of Kia Carnival and also Honda Oddessey

    If you go for Honda 6-seater configuration, it's definitely a nice feeling in it. But I didn't go for Honda because it was under powered.

    Kia Carnival is a great car but, seriously, it feel like i'm driving a big ugly Van.

    That left me with X5 and Q7.

    I tried X5, the 3rd row is $8000 dollars option and it's semi useless. You put two young kids OK, teenager is pushing it, adults is out of question.

    Q7 has a built in 7 seater as standard and can fit two adults at the back and good enough for short trip. So i went for Q7.

    I'd probably compare Q7 with X7 but, during that time X7 is not available though.

    Hope it helps.

  • sillyguy on 12/07/2018 - 19:17

    Why even considering X5 when you dont have enough money?

  • GourmetFoodie on 12/07/2018 - 19:44
    +2

    If you want a genuine 7 seater I'd consider the Kia Carnival. Really great car but yes….no status symbol!

    Otherwise I'd say it depends what your priorities are and financial situation. Honestly I'd rather put the extra money for the BMW towards my mortgage but if you're debt free then who cares.

  • [Deactivated] on 12/07/2018 - 19:57
    +1

    Not another brag post masquerading as a question.

  • alex27 on 12/07/2018 - 20:17

    Last year, 7 seater X5 30D cost 100K, now it cost 120K +, better wait for oz dollar go up.

  • wog_ta on 12/07/2018 - 21:46

    What about a Mercedes 'R' class?

    • tooblue on 12/07/2018 - 22:04

      Discontinued

  • 7olo on 12/07/2018 - 22:45
    +2

    As I have learnt: the more you spend, the more you lose.

  • bobolo on 13/07/2018 - 01:22
    +2

    You'd be surprised how affordable Euro/luxury cars are nowadays. You're a sucker if you pay retail….if you buy at the right time of year and the right model (not newly released/waiting list models), typically 20% discount off the driveaway price can be achieved. Also quite easy to negotiate a 3 - 5 year free servicing plan once you're ready to commit to buying a car.

    • bad hombre on 13/07/2018 - 12:05

      Agree with this! Unless buying a Porsche/Ferrari etc.

  • Polo89 on 13/07/2018 - 08:09

    if Alphard/Elgrand i can hook you up with almost new models but im in brisbane

    • Euphemistic on 13/07/2018 - 08:21
      +1

      I hadn't seen current models of these. They've certainly been giving them a bit of a workout with the ugly stick. Must be designed for north american market.

  • snajper on 13/07/2018 - 09:49
    +1

    Almost forgot.. test drive the new cx9 and you will probably buy it…

  • fedxing on 13/07/2018 - 09:56
    +1

    For the past year I was researching the best value for money 7-seater (due to relatives/in-laws coming over to visit and always had to hire one). You should seriously consider a SKODA KODIAQ for a 5+2 seater. I did, and very happy with it. The base petrol is about 46K, and things you get out of the base model is same or more than luxury variants of other SUVs. Built in Czech Republic but parts are mostly VW and Audi. It is hard to get at the moment though (plenty of white color in stock), you have to wait a bit if you order from a dealer

  • mini2 on 13/07/2018 - 10:41

    Kids destroy nice cars no matter how much you scream and yell at them. It's stressful enough as it is to raise kids, you really don't need another source of stress unless you really don't care how trashy the car will become 5 years down the track.

    • bad hombre on 13/07/2018 - 11:54

      No they don't, ours are 2 and 4 and are ok. Most things in life don't appreciate in value so just enjoy.

      If you worry about things being destroyed you will never buy anything nice, if it isn't the kids it will be the shopping centre car park or something else.

    • pitiek on 13/07/2018 - 16:55

      I got a 6 yr old and a 2 yr old…. No issue with destroyed cars…

  • subywagon on 13/07/2018 - 10:42
    -3

    Pajero

  • M1ndFu7 on 13/07/2018 - 11:03

    I was also particularly interested in an x5 with extra 3rd row seats but 100k is just too much for me to afford. Have you looked into the new Tiguan Allspace. This is based on the tiguan with a slightly extended wheelbase for 7 seater configuration. I have not driven the 7 seater before but Tiguan itself is a nice drive if you get one with a decent engine option. This should be a compromise between the BMW Luxury and affordability of the Honda Odyssey.

    • bad hombre on 13/07/2018 - 12:09
      +1

      I would go the Kia Carnival SLi for $50k - similar levels of luxury to BMW but obviously the Kia is let down a bit by the engine and a few cosmetic things but over all it quite a nicely put together package.

      The practical side of me would want a proper 7 seater!

      • M1ndFu7 on 13/07/2018 - 12:57

        Agree that the Kia Carnival is a proper 7 seater over the BMW.

        I think OP should have a serious consideration as to how often the 7 seats would actually be used. The driving experience of a 7 seater say KIA carnival/Honda Oddysey against a BMW x5 is very different.

        If you enjoy driving, and from the sounds of it you do, there is no need for anyone to tell you which is better to drive.

        I had to make similar consideration about 6 months ago. We went with a 5 seater in the end because even though a 7 seater can be very useful, my family would only be using all 7 seats maybe 10 times a year. I figure the comfort and driving experience of the 300+ days when we are only using the 5 seater far outweights the added fuature of a 7 seater.

  • TailsK on 13/07/2018 - 12:51

    Have you had a look at the new 7 seater VW Tiguan?

    • whooah1979 on 13/07/2018 - 17:55

      Tiguan are tiny compared the odyssey and x5.

  • djmm on 13/07/2018 - 15:40
    +2

    Kia carnival mate

  • lostn on 13/07/2018 - 16:42

    Anything that is designed as a five seater with two additional seats that can be folded up in place of a boot.. is not going to be very comfortable for the two who have to sit at the very back. It's a makeshift solution. They took a five seater and converted it into a 7 seater. It's not a natural 7 seater.

    Get the Odyssey. It's less glamorous but more practical.

  • BestofOZB on 13/07/2018 - 21:29

    Have you done all your research and will only consider either of these?

    They are completely different!

    X5 is not a good choice if you want a proper 7-seater.

    Unless they are older kids in booster seats, using the third raw of any car for baby seats is a nightmare to do and undo everytime.

    I wouldn't recommend neither of those 2 cars based on what your needs are.

    If you can afford to pay 100k, your options are really many, Prado, Pajero, Land Cruiser, Pathfinder etc etc….

  • taoz on 13/07/2018 - 22:49

    good luck with putting anything in the boot, if you have car seats in the back row of the honda, unless they changed design the anchor point where in the back of the boot panel.

  • CalmLemons on 13/07/2018 - 23:13
    +1

    The X5 is not a 7 seater. If you are going to be carrying more than 4 adults, get the Honda Odyssey.

    You can't really compare the Honda Odyssey and BMW X5, the drive and formats are completely different.

    If you don't care about brand and want to fit 7 people, get the Odyssey.

    If you want a performance car, a significantly better drive, and care heaps about brand with only wanting to carry more than 4 adults a few times a month then get the X5. The X5 interior and exterior shits all over the Odyssey. The cost of your servicing + brakes + TYRES will be double if not triple the Odyssey. We have gone through 1 set of tyres every 25000km. On the X5 these will cost you $400 PER TYRE, on the Honda $200.

  • payless69 on 14/07/2018 - 04:05
    +1

    just google bullshit cadogan lol

  • imurgod on 14/07/2018 - 07:50

    It's not just class, if you can afford the BMW, go for it. You'll enjoy it more. The Honda is fine, but the a German car is a different drive.

    • whooah1979 on 14/07/2018 - 10:48

      German car

      Designed in Germany, but made in South Carolina.

      • imurgod on 14/07/2018 - 17:50

        Still a far better drive

  • DarkOz on 14/07/2018 - 08:44
    +2

    I have NFI why we are comparing a 42K car vs a 100k car.

    If you want a people mover just go for the Honda Odyssey.

    If you want to show off and can afford to show off just get the BMW X5.

  • Mysterious Laptop on 14/07/2018 - 20:55

    New model X5 coming out very soon, try get a good deal on the X5 if you decide on it

  • imahapyboy on 14/07/2018 - 22:20

    just get the 10k second hand car, suit you more

  • Will Mcdonald on 16/07/2018 - 00:24

    Honda Odyssey over the BMW. BMW is a great eye turner but all the repairs are expensive if anything breaks

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