Hey,
Has anyone recently bought a new/ dealer demo Mercedes Benz X-Class Progressive or Power in NSW and can indicate a price and point me towards a dealer that does give a good deal? Also are you happy with the purchase? My budget is 50k and I am also looking into the Amarok V6.
Thank you!
Chris
Maybe not the Hilux. See recent news re Hilux limp mode and Toyota Australia's ongoing refusal to issue a recall because it only affects vehicles operating in bush conditions.
Apparently they are built for the urban grind and after school pickup.
I am totally agree with you, buy smart, buy Japanese or Korean cars :)
I did that recently after only having owned Euro cars and unfortunately I just can’t get the same joy out of it. Hard to explain, but I am not super rationale and I am happy to pay a bit more if I love the look/ feel of a car everyday rather than being pragmatic. Thanks!
Mhhh I have looked at all Utes and recently bought a Fortuner and sold it again and my brother bought a 2017 Hilux so I know the car quite well but I am just not a fan of it. The company I work for runs a fleet of Toyota diesels and the majority has ongoing problems with the dpf.
The Mercedes was the quietest I drove and I like that it has AEB. Thanks for your help!
Yep, that’s what I like. I prefer Euro and not a car everyone has. Then I like AEB and a decent finish, it narrows it down a fair bit unfortunately :)
They're not even that popular compared to Nissan, Mazda and Toyota.
Isn't the Mercedes X-Class precisely a re-badged Nissan Navara?
https://www.caradvice.com.au/638414/mercedes-benz-x-class-na…
Good run down of the few differences.
The article says that’s precisely not what it is ;) Plenty of engineering gone into it. Anything wrong with the latest iteration of the Navarra engines or transmissions?
Just buy a NP300. They're basically just a re-badge with a couple of Merc bits and pieces.
Except every single review says they're absolutely not "just a rebadge" but far better car overall. Don't spread fud.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/638414/mercedes-benz-x-class-na…
Yes, because you must believe everything you believe on the interwebs. Seven differences must make it a completely different ute.
Addendum: To OP - Ignore my comment. Buy whatever you desire. You'd be one of the few to buy an X-Class (since it's new), so there isn't much info on pricing and dealers. Just shop around and compare.
If you don't want to do that - Just stick with the Amarok V6. There's plenty of forums w/ info on pricing, etc.
Enjoy your new ute!
Did you spend more than three seconds reading the reviews or specs?
Except it clearly is just a rebadge with a new interior, despite what shitty Australian automotive journalists are paid to say.
It uses identical engines, gearboxes, drive trains, suspension. etc.
The only argument you can mount is if you look at the new V6 X class, with the Benz diesel.
I test drove the car and was very impressed, not too much with the engine but transmission was ok. Are there any known issues with the Nissan diesel + transmission that should keep me away (other than that it’s somewhat slow lol)
Well you could hope so at $20,000 … that would be the most basic expectation … I receieve something for spending $20,000 more than a nissan
Forget the purchase price for a Merc, look more at the ongoing costs.
Here in Victoria the going labour charged by a MB workshop is around $255 P.H. MB Australia have their dealerships by the proverbials and dictate what they can and do charge for labour and parts. I won't bore you with details but consider: a pair of "genuine" wiper blades for a E280 is about $175, these are rebranded Bosch blades you can buy here for $70.
Thanks! I don’t mind somewhat higher costs if I love the car. From driving Saab’s for many years I also know the trick of buying Bosch parts to avoid their hefty prices hehe. It would be interesting if engine/ tranny parts are interchangeable with Nissan?
I don’t know too many people who would buy a Mercedes-Benz with the plan of swapping parts for the Nissan branded counterparts (even if they may be the same).
It's pretty crappy overall. The best things about the X 250 d seems to be the front styling and decent rear-ute size (takes a pallet size). There are cheaper, better, or cheaper-and-better Dualcabs out there.
I would seriously consider the Volkswagen Amarok and the Ford Ranger. The ranger is the better ute "overall", however the Amarok does win when it comes to power, interior, and pallet carrying.
If they announce a new/"facelift" Amarok with slightly longer warranty, rear-cabin airbags, and slightly better rear seating comfort… it will be the car to buy instantly.
The Isuzu D-max is also surprisingly decent.
I like the Amarok, but i don't like the fact that it doesn't come with a low range gearbox. It's a huge flaw.
Thanks! Great input, and I agree Test driving V6 was definitely a highlight in terms of cost, built quality and looks VW is light years ahead of the competition. Big dislikes as you said are no rear airbags and I am a big fan of AEB.
Hence I am considering the X-Class it felt very refined and has all the safety tech. I also disagree that you can see the Nissan DNA it’s certainly a much nicer truck on the inside.
Do you work at Westpac?
He does all the electrical and plumming for Westpac
Same price as those TRD Toyotas. Not everyone has to drive Kia.
Lol mercedes paid nissan to slap something together for them so they could capitalise on the ute market in Australia, I wouldnt waste my time with the x class.
Ford Ranger.
Don’t like the look unfortunately.
Oh that's a shame :(, from the reviews I've read, the Ford Ranger is the preferred choice pretty often.
But I guess for shape and style, it's a personal choice. Wish you well with the X!
Thanks! Not decided yet and I agree it is a fantastic truck if it wasn’t Ford & Ford looks.
why we don't get the f-150? >:(
It's too large for Australian roads :(.
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Sorry, but I slept the last 12/14 hours pretty cool that you stay up all on night and refresh your posts :-)
Be warned. The X Class will cost you more in the long run for parts and labour. It really is a Nissan with re-worked interior and some styling changes. Please at least test drive the Toyota Highlux. With the budget just total spec out that car.
I owned a 2017 Fortuner and sold it at 1800$ loss, my twin brother bought a Hilix last year. I think it’s a good car, but I just want AEB. Also there are a lot of problems with DPF.
Depreciation will be rubbish with that BMW badge on it.
I'm happy to say that the X-class does not have a single BMW badge on it :)
Quite likely to have some Nissan badges on it though.
as long as you don't open the bonnet! shhhh
That’s got to be a positive compared to Thailand :-) I bought a Toyota Fortuner last year and quickly sold it again as the built quality of the trim was pretty bad and the doors sounded tinny. I’d assume the Spaniards know how to built cars.
I can tell not many x-class fans on here haha :-)
Wrong forum for that. When you can get essentially the same vehicle cheaper, bargainers won’t pick the merc
I wonder if Op ended up buying the X250 since they seemed pretty set on it and were just looking for opinions which supported this (i.e. confirmation bias).
Interestingly the news now that the X class sold so poorly it may be discontinued prematurely, and the resale values plummeting (one of the few reasons why you’d pick a Mercedes vehicle even though it’s a rebadge) you might be able to get a good deal.
After sitting in one and playing around, I don’t see the appeal. Sure it’s classier than it’s peers but you still aren’t getting a real Mercedes. IMO save the cash and use the difference to buy a cheap (or used) Benz in the future which is somewhat more ‘pure’.
This market has completely changed since this thread was created. For the same money as an X Class, you can get a Ram 1500 which is a much better truck in every way. It's a no brainer.
Yes, quality dodge engineering.
No issues with Ram reliability. And the tech on a Ram is miles ahead of a rebadged Nissan. So is the space, off road ability and tow rating. It's a better car in every single way.
@[Deactivated]: Yes they are fantastic vehicles, world renowned for quality. The only good thing about a ram is the Cummins engine.
@[Deactivated]: I have worked on many dodges, and a number of rams, so yes, likely much more of an expert than you. You are only an expert in telling people anything but a Tesla and, for some reason, a dodge, are the only cars worth owning.
@[Deactivated]: I have worked on a few. Granted they weren't the new ones, but I've worked on other new dodges, and they are heaps of shit. The old rams had worse plastics and interiors than a Chery. New dodges aren't much better, and the electronics and suspension components are just as crap as ever.
@brendanm: There is a very big difference between Dodge and Ram. They are under the same ownership umbrella, but they are very different companies, and no Ram shares and suspension components with any Dodge, and the in car electronics of the FCA group (UConnect) is perhaps the second best on the market. If you're talking about mechanical electronics, obviously Rams share little with the Dodge line up, the electronics are specifically hardened for use off road (higher position of ECUs, protected Canbus etc).
@[Deactivated]: I'm talking about the general electronics, not crappy infotainment systems. Things that actually matter to the driving of the vehicle. Obviously a ram doesn't share suspension components with a calibre. The point is, dodge make terrible cars, the rams (apart from the engine), are typical fiat/Chrysler/dodge/jeep/alfa rubbish. All style with no substance. A quick google shows their body control modules are just as reliable as the jeep ones 😂
Lol how exactly does one "protect" a canbus? Twist the pairs tighter?
@[Deactivated]: Unconnect is simply the radio. Why would I be referring the the reliability of the radio. I'm referring to the parts that actually matter, the ones that jeep/Chrysler/whatever can seemingly never get right.
I noticed you never replied about the interior build quality, probably used to excellent build quality with your Tesla 😂
@brendanm: Loves me a good burnt toast argument about all other cars being rubbish except the one he/she is referring to.
I’d take Japanese/German engineering over American everyday of the week. The only thing the US is good for is more size and more power. In everything else they are behind.
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Last seen 2 days after posting their first post. I’m guessing that’s all we’ve seen of OP…
Amarok V6 over X class
Edit - bigger for tricked, old thread
My in-laws have one. I honestly don't see anything special about it.
Just get a Toyota Hilux and save yourself the trouble of higher maintenance costs.
Why bother with European pickups They're not even that popular compared to Nissan, Mazda and Toyota.