Busted - Unregistered Car - Advice Please [NSW]

I will try keep it brief… First forum post too…

I was just pulled over and fined by the Police for driving my (unbeknownst to me) several-months-ago unregistered car. I had to leave the car on the side of the road. The Police officer lost his hard exterior a bit once he saw my driving record doesn't have a single blemish and suggested I call/write to the state debt recovery office to see if they can take this into account and be lenient (the fine he said would be over $2K!). Otherwise I need to see the RMS to try and renew it on Monday (tomorrow). I will do both.

Any other suggestions or advice from someone caught in this position before???

One thing I am really curious about, does anyone else receive emails from RMS/Service NSW telling them that their rego is due soon? This is critical information, particularly as they took away the stickers for the car with the rego date on them.

I just checked and my postal mailing address is wrong - hence why I did not receive the hard copy… I got a few unimportant emails from Service NSW during the last year, a reminder for rego would have been nice too!!! I also can't see a tick option for something like 'receive rego via email'.

What a crap day…

Cheers

UPDATE 8/10

I have my car registered again!!! :)

Blue slip, CTP, new plates - what a relief… Now to wait for the fine.

Thanks for the insights everyone, particularly those that have been in a similar situation and offered some advice, plus those who shared their experience with emails/notifications from the RMS.

For all those that answered about emails/SMSs etc - it looks like it is all a bit random and inconsistent, which is pretty poor. As I've mentioned, I didn't get either. I asked two of the RMS officers today, one said they don't do it (which is obviously wrong, going off what others have mentioned here), the other said, "I get them, you didn't?". She checked and had my correct details. The CTP company said they don't do it either! Will try the app others suggested and of course setting my own reminder.

Will sign off with this interesting article on the topic: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/drivers-fined-mil…

Comments

  • +21

    You're lucky they didn't tow the car.

    Not sure what you're after. You were caught driving an unregistered car. There isn't really a defence for that. Pay the bill, drive the car again and make diary entries in your phone, email everything for not only this but every bill you have so you never forget again.

    Several months missed is quite late. I don't even know if they would be that lenient.

    • Yeah he said he could tow it. I guess he felt 'lenient'.

      • +17

        I guess he felt 'lenient'.

        Pretty much mate, end of the day its your responsibility to have your postal address accurate so I don't think you get anything there, once it go's to SDRO they will process it as per laws and procedures, I don't think there is "leniency" there isn't a law that say "you get leniency because of reasons", the only hope would've been by the police officer which unfortunately he didn't give you one but thought that SDRO would (but they only follow the procedure whether you had a good reason or not, so you'll basically have to have a lawful reason to why you did it, or a very good case to take to court).

        I think if you have a clear record for 10 years and its a point offence then you might be worth looking up but I think thats only for specific offences. If you are low on funds you can pay off the fine in other ways (like working it off) but other then that unfortunately not much you can do mate, probably best to ask for a payment plan and ask to pay it off slowly :(.

        • Thanks for the info mate!

          • +1

            @Dan83: Its a regulatory offence. You're phucked. I tend to pay attention to things that could cost me $000s

            • +5

              @Icecold5000:

              You're phucked

              It wasn't phuket he was in. But the cost of the fine avoided could have sent him there free for over a week.
              Something to think about when transferring the fine money to the Gov.

              • +2

                @hawkeye: Haha ouch so true…

                • @Dan83: Did you write this? Ouch

                  Driving an unregistered and uninsured vehicle is an offence attracting on the spot infringement notice fines of over $1200 ($607 for being unregistered and $530 for being uninsured). If the matter goes to court, the maximum fine is $2200 for driving unregistered and $5500 for driving uninsured. Ouch

                  http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/geared/your_car/registration_and_i…

              • +1

                @hawkeye: Should have offered him a bribe, Phuket style

          • +5

            @Dan83: If your registration was a few days overdue, you could take it to court and ask for leniency. But you have a snowball's chance in hell of receiving leniency from anyone with it "several months" overdue. Whether intentional or not, you were basically caught evading state revenue and they'll make you pay for it and some!

        • It could be worse, there is a decent fine for not updating your address with the RMS within 14 days in NSW/Vic

          The offence is contained in regulation 67(1) of the Road Safety (Drivers) Regulations 2009 (Vic). This regulation specifies that a holder of a driver licence or learner permit must notify the Road Corporation of any change of personal particulars or address within 14 days of the change.

    • " There isn't really a defence for that. "

      Well, there is. You're allowed to drive an unregistered car to a mechanic… to get it registered or to do the work required to get it registered. Needs to be close and a reasonable distance, but that's the only circumstance i know where you can drive unregistered.

      • Yes, but you'll need to prove that you're intending to get it registered (if you get pulled over on the way to the mechanic) - proof of payment for CTP; which you can do before obtaining the pink slip (mechanic).

        Only once you've paid the CTP (green slip) and pink slip (if car is older than 5 years) will you be able to pay for the registration (blue).

        • While the rego slip is printed in blue, a blue slip in Nsw is a further mechanical inspection required for vehicles that have not previously been registered or have been unregistered for more than 3 months. It is a more thorough mechanical inspection than the pink slip and also includes an indentity check including the VIN.

  • +43

    (unbeknownst to me)

    What the F is 'unbeknownst to me'? What level of Horse Shit is this?

    I know when month I bought my car.

    I know my annual insurance renewal is coming up

    I know my annual rego is coming up.

    When they haven't come, it's never not come, I would know.

    • Annual? Hah! If I was wealthy enough to pay it all in a lump sum annually I wouldn't be needing any bargains! My insurance is monthly direct debit and rego 3 monthly direct debit, removes any chance of 'forgetting'.

      • +1

        Can’t do auto renewal with direct debit in Nsw. The vehicle needs an annual inspection.

        • In NSW the car only needs annual inspection if it's over 5 years old.

          • +2

            @yippy: Which applies to the large majority of car owners

      • +9

        … It costs less money to pay annually.

          • +39

            @Illian: Please don't take this the wrong way, but you really should try to get into a position where you can pay your standard bills in the cheapest manner possible, which for rego and insurance is on time and annually. It is impossible (especially on this forum) to argue otherwise.

            It is not as hard as you make it out to be.

          • +4

            @Illian: You should always purchase a car with enough funds for the first year of rego and insurance.

            You should then consider instead, putting that monthly payment aside throughout the year then paying the next rego in one go.

          • @Illian: It’s because you don’t miss that $30 that you are not on a position to pay it all in one go. Most people on this website are quite savvy when it comes to manage finances as finding bargains.

          • +2

            @Illian: I've always made sure I have a spare $10k in my account since I started working. You only need to save it up once in your life, then just keep it there, replenishing it ASAP whenever you need to dip into it.

            Once you have the discipline to save that money in the first place, there's absolutely no difference between "running on empty" or having that buffer. The $10k figure becomes your new "zero point", and you just treat it as a "debt" once you dip into it for large annual expenses, repaying it ASAP.

            If I actually had zero dollars in my bank at any point, I'd have a nervous breakdown. I can't imagine that.

          • @Illian:

            You've missed the point,

            Looks like it is Adonael who has missed said point

      • +1

        I think you'd be surprised how many wealthy people are on Ozbargain. I think it's a mentality people get into when it comes to never paying full price.

        • You don't get rich by writing a lot of cheques!

    • +32

      bit brutal. I think the op' should use prompts from a calendar or the like but 'horse shit'?
      he/she didn't go out and murder someone. Never forgotten anything in your life?

      • +19

        Thanks Chris, it was a bit extreme. I could give a range of excuses but why bother. As you say, we all forget something sometimes - this one was a big one though.

        • +2

          Have made my share of hasty comments in my day, I'm no better than you.
          All good - indeed, he's very likely going to pay a big price for this one.
          Takes a better person to reflect honestly Dan. :O)

          Regards.

          • +3

            @[Deactivated]: Everybody forgets cos we're all human and life can get busy. This exact thing happened to me except I was 10days late. In my case I bought my car new from a dealer and did not realize they'd registered the car a few weeks earlier than the date I bought it. Makes sense now. And I also didn't have up to date email or address with RMS. I wrote them a letter but they refused to be lenient so it's at the end of the day, my own fault (and yours) but as long as it doesn't repeat again in the future then all good we pay up and move on :)

            • @jussie2000: Very often special consideration should be effected. I can see why you felt you had an argument and am sorry they didn't come to the party.
              More importantly I like that you accepted the decision and didn't carry on like a spoilt rotten 5 year old. I like the way you think.
              Life goes on, shit happens… rich or poor this is the deal.

        • +1

          Consider what green slip provider you use mate, most of the big four allow you to sign up for email notification around renewal time.
          But surprising actually that you weren’t on email for it, but do it now so you don’t forget!
          Also the Services NSW app is free & you can check any rego for expiry at any time. You can even add a reminder for your renewals on it.
          Anyway mate learn from it and make sure just about every bell and whistle you can get will holler at you the week of renewal, so you can have time to get a pink slip to then renew.
          I think you could elect to take the matter to court and request a Section 10, if your record is as you say. Not sure if the local court can waive his type of penalty though, maybe ask a lawyer or legal forum….or just wait for the OzB community to tell you if you can/can’t!

    • -3

      The police gave him advice on what to do and he still isn’t happy with that. Then gets on here making smarta$$ comments to people who don’t pout with him.

  • +16

    Advice? Don't drive an unregistered vehicle.

  • +10

    I do get rego reminder emails from [email protected] .

    In 2016, 2017 and 2018 the subject line was the exact same "Reminder: Renew your vehicle registration".

    My green slip insurer also sent me reminder emails and text messages.

    Seems a hard thing to forget…

    • +1

      Thanks I'll check that out.

      • +1

        I am also curious to know if where the reminder for your green slip went and if your car has comprehensive insurance or other insurance, is this at the same time and if it is why didn't these remind you of your rego?

        • My green slip presumably went to my old address. No email sent. Found out today they don't offer that - hmmm?! My TPP insurance is at a different time - they know about the email revolution :)

    • +2

      You can also get SMS notification in addition to emails.
      So no excuse to forget.
      See service nsw, register, enter your car details etc.

      https://my.service.nsw.gov.au/MyServiceNSW/Register

  • +6

    Never understood how people can't know roughly when their rego is due for renewal. Especially when its 'several' months.

    • +4

      I don't because buying the car wasn't momentous* for me. I do have calendar entries to remind me of this and other bills though.

      * maybe because my car isn't a high profile investment?

      • Did you just pick up a car while grocery shopping? Most people don't forget buying something that costs a few thousand $. If you have so much money that you don't notice when you accidentally buy a car then the fine should be no issue for you.

      • I might be wrong but I thought it was "high yield investment" in relation to the Ozbargin investment car meme.

    • +1

      We never used to need to remember because we all had convenient reminder stickers on our vehicles. I still have one on mine for that exact reason!

      • What, people kept checking their sicker every day until the day arrived? Don't you still get a letter reminding you?

        • +1

          There have been many cases of people not getting letters for whatever reason - stolen from letterbox, RTA system failures, moving house, etc.

          And no you don't need to look at the sticker every day, but maybe you glance at it on occasion when you approach the car from that side and one day might notice "oh, that's quite soon, better check that out!".

  • +1

    That's a very high fine. Someone I knew got caught here in QLD for the same reason, it was only a few weeks after expiry, all they had to do was use their phone to pay it over the internet before they could drive away, and I believe the fine was $300 or so. I'm only familiar with QLD, but we get physical copies here usually, and sometimes they cut it close, but there is the option to sign up for e-notices and receive emails as well, and also if you sign up for direct debit you will get additional email reminders on top of that notifying you the money is going to be taken out.

    • +1

      Direct debit! Now that's forward thinking lol. Why don't they set that up? That's how all bills are paid nowadays, which aids in complacency (the only downside). This is probably the most important 'bill' to pay however.

      • +1

        Yes, you also get an additional 3-month option for direct debit instead of just 6 or 12, so it's less of a burden. It's a fairly recent addition, and a welcome one.

  • +10

    So you drove, probably uninsured (ie. Comp and third party) and without CTP?

    Popcorn crunching…

    • +1

      Good question. Yes ,with no rego there is no green slip, but third party property, I wonder if it ceases to exist once the car is not registered?

      • +14

        It ceases. Your insurance is void if the vehicle is unregistered.

  • +6

    Any other suggestions or advice

    Pay the fine. Keep track of future renewals. Don't rely on others for reminders. Own up and take responsibility.

    • Fair. Yes I will! However, how can a reminder be a far fetched idea. Everything we do these days is online, such as paying bills. Direct debit, emails etc. Any other bill, I would have been sent an email saying here is your bill, and then probably another couple saying it's due, it's overdue!

      • +8

        They did remind you … but you hadn't updated your address! Most of the other bills you refer to come in more regularly than annually. You could also take some initiative here and set up a perpetual reminder on your phone or email calendar to remind you to pay your rego. It seems that you are trying to shift all blame to others …

        • Not sure how I am trying to shift all blame, but yes a phone reminder is very imperative here - thanks.

          • +1

            @Dan83: You are not shifting the blame Dan. You forgot something, all of us do and sometime important things too. I know I do and surely will again despite my best efforts. Welcome to the human race.
            :O) :O)

            The 'Google Calendar' has saved me MANY times now.
            Pro tip: use the 'notifications' section like hell!!

            • +1

              @[Deactivated]: Thanks again Chris, at least someone is understanding! I also had to pay a library late fee for the first time in my life this year! This one is a little bigger setback though. Too many things to do, too little time.

  • +3

    Sorry to hear OP, but it all seems to fall in your lap! Rego renewals are generally sent via post by Service NSW and it's your responsibility to keep your address updated. Email notifications can be set up, but again this is your responsibility to do so. You can do as the officer suggested and write in and ask for leniency - I know this works if you have a clean record for 10+ years with moving violation fines in NSW.

    • +1

      Thanks.
      Yeah obviously my fault not to update address.
      Do you know how to setup the email notifications?
      Also, thanks for the link for asking for leniency!
      Yep - not even had a parking fine for near 20 years!

      • +3

        After reading your post I just realised I hadn't received an email reminder for the past 3 years! (fortunately my postal address was correct)

        To set it up, go to https://my.service.nsw.gov.au/MyServiceNSW/PersonalDashboard Settings > Notification Preferences and see if the box is checked or not.

        Turns out mine wasn't ticked anymore for some reason so hopefully I receive them now.

        • +2

          Champion - thank you! Found it.

      • +2

        You are lucky you didn't also get fined for not updating your address as you are legally required to do so.

        • +1

          And if you move to a different suburb, it could mean incorrect details for the Australian electoral commission… and not voting can also be a fine.

      • The car details in RMS systems are usually linked to a drivers licence detail… didn’t you update your address when you moved?

  • +2

    My brother had similar couple years back. Moved to a new house but address wasn't changed successfully on his rego and the auspost forwarding missed it. Yes should have realised but still got $1700 in fines. Worth trying to appeal but real outside chance.

    • +1

      Thanks for the info on someone else in a similar situation.

  • +3

    Try writing a letter, first offence, explain how never received notification. Might be a long stretch but no harm in trying. My friend drove without a license for a few months because he also changed addresss and never received the renewal notice and had not looked at his license.

    • +1

      Thanks. Did he realise himself or also get a fine?

      • +1

        Realised himself because he was going overseas and trying to get an international drivers license lol

  • -4

    No sympathy, if you can't keep on top of basic expenses that occur once a year then I hate to think how you manage the rest of your life.

    • +1

      Tell me about it! Luckily they are all direct debit! :)

      • +2

        OP , I'm sorry my post was a little harsh (I shouldn't post on a bad day). I hope things work out in your favour.

    • +3

      you wing that comment out there like you've never forgotten anything in your life dylo'.
      Dan sounds like a pretty good soul that is being honest and just hoping for a little support and help to me.
      I'd be willing to bet that he's probably managing his life reasonably well if especially because of his responses to others.

      • -1

        Of course I have, I just don't go posting on forums to get advice about my own stupidity.

        • +1

          What's wrong with asking for help?

          • +1

            @MessyG: I dunno, when I read this in the OP:

            I just checked and my postal mailing address is wrong - hence why I did not receive the hard copy

            I can't stand when someone blames their own responsibilities on a system that works in their favour. Like, what did OP expect NSW Transport to do? Automaticaly update his own registration address by mailing him ….. to an address they had no idea about?

            Simple fact is, you shouldn't give OP some slack. Can you imagine the world of hurt you'd be in if OP crashed into your vehicle? Caused damage to your health, your vehicle, property? You'd be fudged, OP would be fudged. You'd both be in some serious strife. If you have comprehensive, well - phew - you'd be okay, barely.

            • @ThithLord: Comprehensive is just as void as third party property, if the car is not registered.

              • @gth: I meant if MissG had comprehensive and someone crashed into their car (and were unregistered). Not sure if that changes your reply, though

            • +2

              @ThithLord: I see what you're saying but the OP has admitted their error and asked for help. I respect that, it's incredibly rare these days. Most of the time now someone makes a mistake and doubles down into a black hole of ridiculous defensiveness and never admits fault and attacks anyone who suggests they made a mistake. The OP has admitted fault, asked for help, and also said how they're not going to let it happen again. It's a level of responsibility you just don't see now. If the OP was blaming everyone else and declining to pay the fine and ranting about how they were going to get out of it etc they would get no sympathy from me. But they made a genuine mistake, admitted that, demonstrated contrition and a plan for the future…I think they get to ask for help and a little bit of slack cut for them.

    • ozbargain never has sympathy.

      • +1

        So strange and sad too, because it costs absolutely nothing to give.

  • You can pay your rego and ctp online in nsw . hard to believe you don t know about when was the due date.it s more like you were gambling and was pushing it to see until when you can drive before being caught. I doubt they will be lenient unless you got a real reason for being forgetfull ( like health issues or financially hardship,..) , but i doubt you will receive any fine as it sound like the cop let you got and didn t even mind to get it tow. Anyway, you don t need to wait until tomorrow as i said you can pay everything online and get your rego straight into your email and drive you car straight away.

    • +1

      No I can't - I need the number on the letter I didn't get (yes, my fault for not changing address, but I still don't have it - hence why an email would be nice - clearly too much to ask for though judging from people's responses). And believe lol!

  • +1

    does anyone else receive emails from RMS/Service NSW telling them that their rego is due soon?

    rms sends both a letter and an email to remind the operator that their rego is up for renewal. the operator should check that their postal address and email are up to date.

    • No email for me. You must be getting them though I take it.

      • +1

        we do.

        RMS Online Services
        Vehicle Registration Renewal Reminder
        Dear

        This is a registration renewal reminder email from Roads and Maritime Services (RMS). It is part of our Notifications and Reminder initiative, aimed to help you ensure that you renew your rego on time. Please be aware that it is an offence to drive an unregistered vehicle.

        Our records show registration for Vehicle is due to expire on 01/01/2017. Depending on the registration term you choose (annually or half yearly), we can advise the following:

        ANNUAL RENEWAL TERM

        CTP - We have no current Compulsory Third Party insurance (CTP) details recorded for this term. If you've just purchased a CTP, we may still be waiting for the details to reach us or you may have purchased your CTP for a different renewal term. If you do need to purchase a CTP for this term, you can find an insurer and compare prices here: greenslips.nsw.gov.au

        e-Safety - We have received advice that the vehicle inspection (previously pink slip) has been completed for this registration term, thank you.

        HALF YEARLY RENEWAL TERM

        CTP - We have no current Compulsory Third Party insurance (CTP) details recorded for this term. If you've just purchased a CTP, we may still be waiting for the details to reach us or you may have purchased your CTP for a different renewal term. If you do need to purchase a CTP for this term, you can find an insurer and compare prices here: greenslips.nsw.gov.au

        e-Safety - We have received advice that the vehicle inspection (previously pink slip) has been completed for this registration term, thank you.

        Once the CTP and eSafety requirements are satisfied please visit service.nsw.gov.au/renew-rego to renew your registration online.

      • +1

        Dear
        At Roads & Maritime Services we are always looking for ways to make life easier for our customers.
        As a MyRTA customer you have elected to receive your communications from Roads & Maritime digitally.
        We are writing to advise there will be a change in the way you will receive your registration renewal reminders.
        You will still receive your registration certificate in the mail. However, as of 21/08/18 your registration reminder communications from Roads & Maritime will be sent as an email or SMS fourteen days before your vehicle registration is due.
        Roads & Maritime will also send an email or SMS reminder one day after your registration has expired, if you have not already renewed.
        Roads & Maritime will no longer send you an overdue registration letter fourteen days after your registration has expired.
        Kind regards

        Jennifer Chenhall
        Director of Enrolment
        Roads and Maritime Services

        • Thanks! That's helpful. The last email looks like it is a recent thing.

  • +1

    When you moved did you change the address on your licence?
    The best way to make sure you dont miss out is to ensure they are notified of your latest address. Even if the rego office screws up at least the contact from your ctp provider will jog the memory.
    All you can do this time is just write and beg for leniency. Your driving record may score you a discount.
    Good luck.

    • No. I've been moving a lot in the last couple years so kept rego and licence at my parents address. Stupidly I changed the postal at one of the recent addresses without remembering.
      Will update it now to my current address as I won't be moving again soon.
      No reminder from CTP - probably the wrong address as well.
      Lesson learnt.
      Thanks mate.

  • He should have towed your vehicle, would help you remember in the future.

    It's a fairly large bill and a re-occurring one, can't see how it can slip ones mind for 'months'

    • +2

      Pretty sure this is a good enough reminder.

  • Do you have a current automobile insurance? even just third party? (not CTP)

    • Yes. But not sure whether it would have even been valid??

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