VW Jetta Has Had 2 Major Faults in 5 Years. What Are My Rights?

Update: so I guess no one thinks I have a chance, which is really the info I wanted. Since it hasn't been done before, I will still fight for it and then fall back on a full repair.

Update2: I have received a call from the service tech, they have offered to repair the car for free (no $1000 diagnostic charge). They have claimed this is the final offer. I am still planning to take action against the company through ACCC and also VW. However I will let them repair my car because I need it for work and it is costing me money being off the road. Thankyou to all the kind Ozbargainers who private messaged me with their stories and how they received full refunds. I really appreciate your support! I have contacted ACCC through facebook to get advice on how to proceed. I believe this is a systematic plan by the dealer and possibly VW to take money from customers illegally. I don't know how widespread this is, but they told me if I contributed money to the repairs I would be covered by a 2 year warranty on the gearbox. However because I haven't done this, they won't be covering this. I do have a friend who worked for consumer protection years ago, I will find out if she has any connections I can work with.

1) I have sent an email to VW headoffice asking for a major resolution and also clarified whether charging diagnostic fees is regular practice when dealing with manufacturing faults.
2) I have sent an email to the WA consumer protection office, detailing everything that was happening and to uncover whether I have a leg to stand on.

I wonder if someone who wasn't as assertive would have got this resolution. Based on the comments in the thread, I doubt it.

Update3: I probably won't take this to small claims court to demand a major remedy because of the time, effort and stress, however I passionately and wholeheartedly believe that I would have a case and maybe even win. Especially if all the people who commented about having DSG issues with the jetta sent me a copy of their fault report/warranty repairs. However if I get enough evidence, I will try to set precedence. I just need to show that this has been covered up and that this is a over-represented fault that would have stopped most reasonable individuals from purchasing the car. 118TSI models.

If anyone wants to send me fault reports on their DSG/VW Gearbox/Piston issues:

Please send them to [email protected] (this is my new real working email).


I will not be paying anyone $1000 to fix a fault that is covered by the manufacturers. I am fairly sure this is not legal. It would be like Apple charging you $200 to take your phone apart before diagnosing a power issue internally that was a manufacturing fault.

My opinion still is that VW made the systematic decision to use Rubbish parts in this car and it has had wide spread known issues that have resulted in two major faults. The car was and is not suitable for purpose.

I will then pay to get someone to do a full check on the car and either sell it or

I tried to keep this short and simple… skip to the end for the summary.

My parents purchased a NEW VW Jetta 118TSI from a large dealership in March 2013 for just under $30,000. The car came with 3 years of warranty.

2 years ago:
Major fault with the pistons in the engine, resulting in VW repairing the car for free. I am not completely across what the issue was as I wasn't involved at the time.

1 year ago:
Whenever I borrowed the car infrequently, I noticed that once a traffic light turns green and you accelerate. The car will jerk forward as if skipping a gear. I informed my parents, however they said nothing was picked up during any of the perfect service history. My father either did not believe or realise this was a fault. VW also stated they did not recognise a fault.

2 months ago: I purchased exclusive use of the car from my parents for the trade-in value at the time. They remain the owners.

Last week: I was driving around in the country and after attempting to drive off at a green traffic light, the car failed to shift through gears and the accelerator failed to work. The car started flashing with engine lights etc. I managed to drive back, because I was able to trick the car into shifting gears and once at 100km/h the car was able to cruise along fine.

Now i've taken it to the dealer. They told me that they would only assess it if we payed them $1000+. We accepted this on the condition that if it was a manufacturers fault, the car would be repaired for free.

The diagnostics has uncovered that the car has a major gearbox issue, which has led to a part of the gearbox detaching and leading to shrapnel. They need to completely remove and repair this part. The service tech has told me it is a Major Fault. VW has agreed to cover the costs of parts and labour.

Now we get to the fun bit…

The dealer has come back to us, told us that we still need to pay the $1000 for labour diagnostics. Despite it clearly being a manufacturers fault (VW accepted to repair it?). We have rejected this and told them that the car has had two major faults since 2013. All their new cars offer a 5 year warranty. We expected the car to $30,000 european car to last at least 5 years if not more. VW has already accepted fault by agreeing to repair the car.

The car has done 50,000km in 5 years.

I do not think it is reasonable for this car to have two major faults within 5 years. I have no faith in their repair process and I do not feel safe driving the car following the previous incident. I also believe this issue has been present for much longer and they never picked it up through servicing the car.

I asked the service tech if the first repair and now this repair are deemed major faults. He agreed. I then asked him for a major remedy - refund or replacement under ACL.

The service tech, has told me that it is unreasonable to think the car should last this long without an breaking down. "Do you think every car should last forever without breaking down" - My answer was no, I think my car should last for a reasonable amount of time. He also told me that I had a 3 year warranty and it was now out of warranty. In addition to this he lied to my and told me that the car was a USED car. He then changed his mind and said it was a EX Demo car. The contract says NEW in black and white.

I am not going to lie down, because I think this is a clear cut case of them selling a lemon and then refusing to abide by ACL.

I told him that if he can't authorise a remedy for a major fault. I want to speak to someone who can. He said his manager will call me tomorrow. Following my chat today with the service tech, he hung up on me mid sentence.

I wouldn't mind perspectives and advice. Do I have a foot to stand on. Two major faults within 5 years… I don't think this is acceptable personally.

TLDR: Car is 5 years old, 2 major faults (accepted terminology by VW and Dealer). New incident with gearbox last week. Repairs labour and parts covered by VW as manufacturing fault. Dealer trying to charge $1000 for diagnostics. I want a major remedy under ACL.

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                            • @Zedsdeadbabyzedsdead: That I will do. Followed by finding out what the manager at the dealership says. Then finally lodge my complaint.

                              • @hypie: Good man.

                                • +2

                                  @Zedsdeadbabyzedsdead: @hypie VW aren't a premium European car as you try and imply in your main post and their transmissions have a history of having faults. You bought this car knowing the risk and you got burnt.

                                  The new cars are also a different model to your car, so you can't argue since the new ones have a longer warranty that yours deserve it.

                                  Accept what VW are offering you and sell the car if you're that worried about it.

                                  It sucks that the car seems to be a lemon and that Australia doesn't have lemon laws, but least it's only cost you $1k to repair a part that's well out of warranty and usually costs 4x as much to repair.

                                  • @StonedWizard: Australia does have Lemon laws… that's exactly what Australian Consumer Law is…..

  • +1

    I bought a Tiguan Highline in April and mine jerks a little bit when accelerating at red light and a little when slowing down. Basically between first and second gear. I better get it checked out although first service is at 1 year mark only (2,500Kms on it)

    • -1

      Yeah… I would not sit on this stuff. I really wish I was involved when all the initial issues were happening.

      It was quite frightening how bad it got.

      • +3

        It’s a symptom of the DSG transmissions. Which has always been the case since they came out. There’s plenty of information out there on them and cracked pistons (another very common VW issue).

        Most people order better pistons from Europe (pretty sure it’s pelecan parts) and swap them to avoid having the issue again. DSG need to be driven like manuals so you can’t just slow down and then step on the accelerator as it freaks out. Same thing with creeping in stop start traffic. Apparently the newer software update fixes this but I’m not sure how true this is.

        • I spoke to the guy I bought it from (Salesman). He said its a characteristic of the DSG and is not a fault? What do you guys think? Take it in anyways?

          • @El Grande: I've never driven a VW DSG, but I've heard heaps of comments in reviews that they are jerky at low speed.

          • @El Grande: I'd say it's a characteristic of the transmission. If it starts doing it with other task then it seems faulty.

            When you slow down (approaching a red light) the transmission thinks it's going to shift down a gear and preselects a lower gear. If you suddenly accelerate it causes a shift as it adjusts to it. It's just a characteristic of the units. In my experience they all do this, some are smarter than other ones though.

          • @El Grande: I have a 2011 VW DSG. 90k. It doesn't do this. Smooth as. Great geabox, great car. Not jerky at low speed.

    • +3

      I wouldn't accelerate at red lights if I were you…

  • +1

    Is the Jetta from Germany too. I heard the South African and Mexican built ones are not that great when it comes to QC.

    • Not sure, the Mercedes C200 W205 is manufacturered in Safrica. I haven't heard too many complaints. But I'm not a huge VW fan.

    • +1

      Jetta is pure Mexican-made trash.

      Old colleague purchased one new in 2011, after 2 DSG swaps and a cracked piston they practically traded in the car for almost nothing and got a Mazda 6

  • +3

    So it looks overwhelmingly like most people think I don't have a chance. I guess we will find out soon. I hate organisations that sell people terrible products and expect you to deal with it because they slapped a 1 or 2 year warranty tag on it.

    "Under the Australian Consumer Law, automatic consumer guarantees apply to many products and services you buy regardless of any other warranties suppliers sell or give to you."

    https://www.choice.com.au/transport/cars/general/articles/le…

    If anyone has actually successfully dealt with a similar situation. I would like to know more.

  • +4

    Perhaps cut your losses, repair and sell car.
    Get japanese from now on.
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/410523#comment-6491033

  • +12

    OP…asking for a full refund for a 5 year old car is unreasonable.

    They are required to fix the problem and they are doing just that.

    I do agree with you that the $1,000 should not be charged, it should be part of the overall analysis and fix process.

    • -1

      Fair point. If the car had a 5 year warranty would you say the same thing though?

      Yeah charging for diagnostics seems like a grab for cash. Which is why I escalated my request for a major remedy.

      • But it doesn't have a 5 year warranty, and the fact that new models have one doesn't mean anything for yours since it is presumably a new model vs an older one. KIA offers 7 year warranties now but that doesn't mean the model sold in 2011 should also be covered until now.

        That said, I do agree that the $1k diagnosis charge is a cash grab, but then I also think the VW service center probably wouldn't have offered to fix the issue for free without the $1k charge that you agreed to and accepted in the first place, before any work was done.

      • You keep talking about this 5 year warranty the new cars come with.

        This car was purchased March 2013, even if it came with a 5 year warranty, it would have still expired in March 2018, before your current issue.

        You talking about this 5 year warranty is completely pointless as if it came with one, it’d still be out of warranty at the time of this current issue

        • I'm only arguing with people about the length of warranty to make an example that the industry has decided as a whole that 3 years was unreasonable. It does not matter it was 3 years, 5 years or 10 years. It has had two major faults that I believe do not comply with my consumer guarantees and therefore I have a right to make a claim. I may not get my ruling.

  • +3

    " and then refusing to abide by ACL."
    The rights of the consumer only become effective if the consumer takes the retailer to a tribunal and gets a favourable judgement. Prior to that you have zilch.. nothing.
    Threatening retailers with ACL or pointing out that they are in contradiction of ACL only makes them laugh at you because they know most people will not bother going through with all the pain of going through with it.
    In your case it would be well worth it. Charging you $1000 to assess what is known to be a common fault is plain robbery and they know it.
    When you get it fixed get rid of it and buy something Jap/Korean and live a life without major failures for a while.

    Edit: Check ACCC… I am sure I read somewhere that VW were recently dragged over the coals by them for giving VW owners a hard time with faulty cars and they were forced to address problems in a more positive manner.

    • -1

      Yeah it's a card you need to play. But at the same time I suspect I might have a case if we went to trial. Also consumer protection represents the Australian public in situations of systematic breaches. They also advocate for you prior to judgement in the hope of settlement.

      • +4

        You won’t have a case as the manufacturer has offered you a remedy by fixing the car.

        Your car is 2 years out of warranty hence the charge.

        • +1

          ACL over-rules warranty. If a reasonable person expects a car to last 5 years without the gearbox catastrophically failing, then that's what the retailer needs to supply. (e.g. many new cars now come with a 7 year warranty. I've driven 20 year old cars with perfectly intact gearboxes)

          OP should probably not have agreed to the $1k diagnostic fee in the first place, or gotten written guarantee that it would be refunded if a manufacturing defect was identified.

          I hope OP does get his $1k back, but it might be a battle. It would seem to me that s/he may even have a case for a full refund…

          https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees…

          • @abb: I have had this money refunded! but thank you!

  • +3

    You seem pretty gungho and have made up your mind regardless of what we have to say.
    /thread

    • +2

      I'm not paying $1000 to diagnose something that was then covered by VW.

      So the thread isn't over. Unless you think that is reasonable. Maybe I don't get my refund or replacement. But I sure as hell am not paying them to tell me my car has a major fault. When the accelerator stopped working. I figured that out myself.

      • When the accelerator stopped working. I figured that out myself.

        Oh please. Did you know what the fault was? Diagnostics take time and effort - both of which cost money. I can understand you not wanting to pay it, but that's besides the issue.

        • I was pretty sure it was the gearbox when the gears wouldn't shift while trying to accelerate from stationary. It would get stuck on a gear and then I would have to trick the car into switching to a higher gear. So I was pretty damn sure it was gearbox related. They also would have had an error code, since the car showed two fault symbols on the dash.

  • +3

    You've probably read through many posts where people expressed their reliability frustrations with 2010-2014 VW products. Yes, it's a European car and you expect German quality to last longer before lunching the gearbox, but VW has a wretched reputation from that era regarding their engines and gearboxes. And this is before we discuss VW's criminal behaviour in the diesel emissions scandal.

    Take the deal that's offered. I suggest selling the car after it's repaired. Hopefully you run into a buyer who still things a German product is automatically superior.

    • I won't get more than 6k for this car, less with that history I guess?

  • And my corolla 2016 hynrid which i have done 48k so far is still going stronk hehe

    • +2

      stronk.

    • +3

      You might need a new keyboard though……..

    • Yes stronk, indeed haha, but honestly i abuse that car so much, right now, im doing great ocean road road trip. The day after i bought it, road strip to sydney straight away

      • My previous work car was a Camry hybrid. One reliable and smooth car. Loved it. But this was an economic decision I couldn't go past.

  • +4

    To answer the OP's question, IMO yes it is unreasonable to demand a full refund or replacement vehicle for a 5 year old car (no matter what the warranty period is). I would fight regarding paying the diagnostic fee though. Just let them fix it.

    • Wait what… So you think it's unreasonable for a customer to expect a full refund or replacement for a major fault within warranty?

      What is the actual point of ACL then?

  • +1

    I had a similar issue with my 2010 Golf 118TSI. After 5 years and 65000 km it had the symptoms of a cracked piston (diagnosed by independent mechanic). VW advised that they MIGHT help with the cost of a new engine but first it would need to be strpped down at a cost of more than $1k. I didn’t want to take the risk of paying for the strip down and then possibly a new engine because VW decided after all that it wasn’t their fault. I traded the car in at a crap price.Found out afterwards that the cracked piston issue was a very common problem with that model engine and VW obviously knew all about it.

    • Wow, parents had exactly the same issue in the same car, except less kms. VW completed an engine rebuild free of charge.

    • Yeah guys, I mentioned to someone above. In 2016 it had this piston issue and had the engine rebuild done for free. Cracked piston… seems to be a systematic decision to use a Rubish engine.

    • Yeah mate, 100% would have got that repaired.

      How much did you trade it in for?

  • +1

    Yep, parents Golf had gearbox issues an cracked piston issue also. Both fixed under warranty.

    I'm no car expert, but my understanding is the DSG is jerky under 20 kms per hour…just the way they are.

    • +2

      Dsg transmissions are known for this. Stop/start is not great in a dsg. Once on the move they perform well. A standard auto is better in traffic.

      • If you use stop/start with auto-hold on, it works a treat. Tap the accelerator before you take off, the engine fires up and then move off.

  • +4

    You are getting a good will repair 2 years out of warranty for the second owner. You are quite lucky with VW as they treat consumer law as optional and customer service 🤣 as an inconvenience. The first major fault was 100% warranty cover and was fixed and hasn’t happened again = no ACL grounds to claim, second major fault = you agreed to $1000 diagnosis cost, and once diagnosed, is a free repair. Stump up the money and move on (the car that is) cause VW DSGs from around that time are AWFUL POS’.
    And we all know what VW stands for, Virtually Worthless.
    Damn 🐵 spanking cancer causing asshats.

    • Most of what you have said about ACL is wrong. The ownership details are still in my parents name.

      • +3

        What I don’t get is that you agreed to the diagnostic labour which includes removing the gearbox from the car, disassembly and diagnosis of parts affected. They have then gone to VW head office for a goodwill out of warranty repair which is going to be covered as in new parts and labour to repair and re-install. So who needs to cover the cost of diagnosis? The owner that agreed to the cost. If the repair was a $700 throttle body would that be considered grounds for your ACL actions? No you’d just stump up the $1000 for diagnosis and replacement. So why are you worried so much about the $1000 in this instance?

        • From the original post

          "Now i've taken it to the dealer. They told me that they would only assess it if we payed them $1000+. We accepted this on the condition that if it was a manufacturers fault, the car would be repaired for free."

          You know what, it wasn't the $700 throttle body, it was the several thousand dollar gearbox. The same gearbox that appears to be failing in a unacceptable high rate for this particular model on a population scale. The service tech told me that this was a common issue that appears to plague this model.

          This is why I'm worried about my $1000, this is why I argued my case and this is why I got that ridiculous fee waived.

  • +1

    It is unjust having to pay for the diagnostic cost if it has been agreeded that it is the manufacturer's fault. Perhaps, recover the diagnostic fee charged by the dealership with VW directly? And log a formal complaint with VM on the dealership's poor behaviour and services which are damaging VW's reputation.

    • Or tell the dealer to get the random $1000 from VW

    • damaging VW's reputation.

      This isn't possible after dieselgate and monkeygate. This company only cares about their bottom line.

      • Apparently recent surveys have shown that customer satisfaction and trust in VW has returned to levels prior to those incidents.

        Terrible car, dealership and manufacturer.

        • No-one really cares about dieselgate. Everyone went along with the brouhaha because it's trendy to like the environment and castigate big companies, but if you told me my car right now was putting out 50% more emissions and giving me more performance? I'd be ok with that.

          • +1

            @HighAndDry: No one has reacted with the same ire over Toyota, GM or Ford committing crimes where hundreds of deaths were directly attributed to their behaviour. It seems like Dieselgate just galvanised/justified peoples hate for VW even more.
            Japanese manufacturers that lied about their fuel consumption figures? No one batted an eye. The funny thing is, if a car can't meet it's consumption figures easily, it can't meet its quoted emissions numbers either.

            • +1

              @Buckshot: Yeah exactly. I mean - Ford Pinto anyone? Takata airbags? Nah, Dieselgate just tickled everyone's then-trendy outrage itch for "omg the environment!" and in the US "omg foreign car makers!" etc.

  • +2

    118tsi is known to be a terrible engine. 7 speed DSG is known to be a terrible gearbox. Plenty of history of this. They have/are replacing both, stop whining. There is absolutely zero chance you will get money or a new car. I'm in the industry, only time I've ever heard of buybacks was from Foton lol.

  • +2

    That seems fairly common for an out of warranty car. Be thankful that they're covering it out of warranty at all. $1k seems excessive though, I'm guessing they've needed to pull the gearbox out to diagnose the issue.

    Similar thing happened to my Jeep, just outside of warranty and the gearbox went. I was told I'd have to pay diagnostic costs + labor but parts would be covered if there was a defect. I was fine with that because the gearbox is like….5k from them new or $1800 second hand from a wreckers. Their diagnostic fee was onlylike $160 though.

    In the end they didn't charge me a cent though, I don't know why.

    They call it a good will repair or something like that since it's out of warranty.

  • +1

    We expected the car to $30,000 european car to last at least 5 years if not more.

    This surly has to be a typo. No euro no matter the price is going to give 5 years of trouble free ownership. Euro are stylish and loaded with gadgets, but their reliability isn't up to the same standards as Asian built.

    • -4

      That's an opinion, but not public expectation. You pay more for premium in the hope it lasts longer.

      I don't think European is premium, but that's how it is.

      • This is a public forum. What else would you call basically the consensus view on this topic here but "public expectation"?

        • I would agree, but I don't think the ozbargain forum is the right place to be taking Australian public consensus polls.

          We are a special breed, usually more aware than the general public. I.e. my parents.

          Once again If you look at some recent consumer confidence surveys… VW had come back to near the top. Following the emissions saga.

          • @hypie: Fair point. But see the ACCC's own guidance publication on the issue. They don't give a definite cut-off (because ultimately it's case-by-case) but all their examples quote timeframes of between 18months - just over 3 years. It's not determinative or conclusive, but it's pretty telling.

            • @HighAndDry: Agreed it's a fluid definition because it is case by case basis. I believe they have systematically covered things up and they are trying to force customers to pay this diagnostic charge illegally. I also believe a $30,000 car should not fail after 3 years (initial repair) and then again after 5 years. These are two separate major faults that have stemmed from inept manufacturing processes and parts.

  • +7

    You want a refund on a 5 year old used car? What is wrong with you?

    • -2

      Nothing, I think that is reasonable. Obviously you don't.

    • Hahaha… completely agree with you.

      It's a bit like paying for a buffet dinner, filled the tummy up full of oysters and prawn, then finding that the coffee machine wasn't working and so demand the full cost of the dinner back.

      Completely unreasonable I tell you.

      • I think it's more like..

        You bought a car for $30,000, you expected the car to last around 3 years of frequent driving, however you don't drive frequently and therefore expect the parts to last longer than 3 years based on the use. The car engine was poorly designed and therefore at around the 3 year mark, the pistons melt/crack and the engine requires a full major rebuild. You go along with that plan, thinking that this was an unusual occurrence, but fine they fixed it.

        Two years later the gearbox fails despite infrequent use. You become aware that this has been a common fault and was an issue with the design and manufacturing process when you purchased the car. You were not aware of this. You expected a car to last. The car did not last. You want your money back because the car was not suitable for purpose and could potentially endanger lives as a result.

        But your analogy is good too.

  • +5

    Good offer from VW head office, I think the dealer is just trying to gouge your $1000, maybe speak to head office about the diagnostic fee the dealer is charging. Otherwise keep the car, what else could go wrong…

  • If they want to pay you $1000, I say let them. lol

  • +3

    Looks like the Dealer (which is not same as VW, the manufacturer) is trying to make a quick buck.

    As for getting a full refund: that is not going to happen after owning the car for 5 years!. VW has has already fixed and now offered to fix another major fault for free, even when its out of warranty. So as far as the manufacturer is concerned they are going by the book and doing everything and beyond the warranty obligations. ACCC is not going to side with you in this case.

    I understand your frustration, but then again VWs (European cars in general) are known to be less reliable and more expensive to maintain. You should have known that when you bought it.. You are getting the full experience of owning a German car ;) embrace it ! :P

    • +1

      I didn't buy it. Folks did. I don't know why. A $30,000 Euro car is a $15,000 Jap car with nicer styling. I don't think this car looks all that flash either.

      But hey… we can't go back in time.

      They since replaced this with a Mitsubishi, so let's hope that runs a bit better for them.

      • That's just not true. The tech in a European car is years ahead of current Japanese tech, but the problem is that some of the tech (like the dry clutch DSG in the your VW), just isn't reliable. It is more fuel efficient, provides better performance and smoother changes than any of the crappy gearboxes Mitsubishi.

        The dry clutch DSG is unfortunately a dud in terms of reliability, there is no two ways around it. They pretty much all fail. The 1.4TSI engine it's mated too isn't much better either. It's just a bad combination, but when they were new, people didn't know this. Other VW/Audi products are much more robust. Their old 6 speed DSG is bullet proof, as is the Audi high torque 7 speed wet clutch DSG. The 2.0 TSFI engines are great in terms of reliability. VW got a bad wrap for the 1.4 + DSG combo (especially the turbo/supercharged 1.4), but other products are fine.

        A $30k Euro car is really entry level. They don't get much cheaper than that, so I wouldn't be expecting a Mercedes for the money.

        • Well it's easy to be "ahead" when you skip the years of proper engineering and reliability testing to, you know, actually make things that work.

          • @picket23: Most of these complaints relate to one gearbox and one engine (two versions of the same engine). They were poor designs, but generally most VW/Audi stuff is pretty good. Their fuel economy figures in the real world, for example, are the best in the ICU business. Their sports models are seriously fast, and I'm sure their upcoming electric range will be the first true Tesla competitors, after Jaguar and Mercedes stuffed it up with their shots.

        • So from what I'm reading online, I need to change the gear fluid every 40,000km on these DSG's. Is this correct?

  • +2

    My brother in law is a mechanic. Close to 80% of cars he gets to repair are VWs. Mostly golfs and he says main issues with all of them are transmissions.

    • Looks like this is pretty common feedback.

  • +2

    Re the 'Demo car' statement.
    It's not unusual for dealers to notify vehicles to the manufacturers as a demo, even though they are 'new', they can get extra bonus money and also make sales targets for additional bonus money, plus to make sure they are #1 on the sales list. The car is still new. Real Demo cars are the registered ones that dealers use for various reasons. They also use New cars for test drives that are not registered as a demo.

    Experience 9 years in the industry, though 11 years ago now..

    • +1

      My contract says New VW. I don't know why he told me that we were the second owners and the car was a demo.

      I only checked that after speaking to him.

      • I agree. Once registered and used that is no longer brand new. And I know demo cars are driven home by an employee. Free cars to use for 6 months then they can swap for another car if they want.

        • They would have registered the car under my parents name as they paid the new car stamp duty. It is a new car.

  • +3

    I had the exact problem with my Passat 118TSI, its well known issue with the 7 Speed Dry Clutch Gear Box. Had the Clutch pack replaced at 33,000 km at the 2 year mark. Had the whole mechatronic unit replaced just over 4 years at 60,000 km.

    Clutch pack was fixed under standard warranty and extended warranty for the mechatronic unit. Even without the warranty, dealer said they'll usually be able to request a good will repair from VW.

    After 3 years, I don't think they HAVE to repair the car for you. They will usually choose to under good will. How much of the repairs cost are paid will also depend on where you service the car, I think if you've serviced it regularly at the dealership, they might just waive it.

    From memory, my mechatronic unit cost around $4K for parts alone. So I think you should consider yourself lucky you got a goodwill repair. Usual dealership service is around $700, so $1,000 is not that bad.

    In my personal experience, VW and my dealership have been good in handling my crappy DSG, about 4 days off the road in 4.5 years of ownership and didn't have to fork out any $$$. But I've learnt my lesson and will avoid dry clutch DSG's from now. Can only blame myself for not doing enough research, the DSG issue was well known even before I purchased.

    Just think how you saved 4K instead of having to fork out 1K :)

    • +1

      I don't think we are lucky, buying a car with an engine unsuitable for practical purposes.

      I'm sure they were aware of these issues fairly early into the piece.

  • +1

    I think the dealer is doing the right thing and above what they are actually required to do. VW HQ are generally quite good at out of warranty repairs for major faults. People who say that a car shouldn't have any issues after 5 years don't appreciate the complexity of building a car (especially European ones).

    I don't think going down the Major fault route is a good idea. Your parents bought in 2013 which was not long after all the DSG issues hit the press. A major fault is something that would stop someone from buying the car if they knew about it, your parents might have known about it and bought a VW anyway. So not so major. I know it isn't the same issue but just giving you an outsiders perspective.

    If having to cough up $1k for repairs on a 5 year old car European car is such a huge thing you are willing to go through so many hoops like contacting consumer affairs… etc, just buy a Kia with 7 year warranty next time.

    • Yeah.. terrible decision and from what you said it is an uneducated issue.

      But if they knew these cars had issues, they should accept that they are responsible for repairing those issues that were well known to the manufacturer.

      The money isn't the issue for me, it's the principle and the law.

      Thanks for then input though.

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    VV Jetta Has Had 2 Major Faults in 5 Years.

    ONLY 2? For a VW thats only had 2 major faults in 5 years, you should think yourself lucky….. VW are mostly lemons plagued with issues that dealers can't fix.

    • And this is what gets me, quite a few people think this and just seem to feel it's fine for them to sell a rubbish car with an unsuitable engine. Then have the nerve to charge me $1000 to fix the problem with third design.

      • People think they are buying Premium car from europe and don't do research, so they keep selling them! The problem for me is VW charges Premium prices, but seems to fall down in the delivering the product section.

        Its all marketing, the buy a jeep thing did the same thing. A guy I worked with got one after all the ads, the entire office said don't do it they're lemons…….. Its a lemon, endless issues with it.

        VW I'm sure can make great cars, but when the gremlins appear, they have no idea on how to fix it. Then you have the DSG that eats clutch packs and is a $1000k+ fix each time, as the clutch pack wasn't really meant to be changed so often!

      • Third design? Your engine was fixed. This time it's the gearbox. They are not the same thing. The reason the engines failed was because they ran so lean for economy purposes. Your ecu would have been revised to the new tune that no longer melts pistons.

        Half the problem with the dry clutch DSG is how people drive them. They think you can sit there holding it on a hill with the clutch slipping away like a traditional auto. This is not the case.

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          Half the problem with the dry clutch DSG is how people drive them.

          People are driving them as they drive any other car. VW is the one that needs to 'adjust' not the user

          They think you can sit there holding it on a hill with the clutch slipping away like a traditional auto. This is not the case.

          And do VW tell you NOT to do this anywhere? Nope.

          Again VW should be making gearboxes that work for its CUSTOMERS how they use it.

          • @JimmyF: @jimmyF it's not a VW issue it's a DCT issue. They all operate the same way and Brendanm is right, that's how you're supposed to drive with them.

            It also tells you this in the manual. The clutch packs are dry and can't manage heat as well as wet clutch packs. When buying any significant purchase, it's up to people to do their research. There's plenty of research out there on how to operate DCT and if it doesn't match your driving style, then expect to be up for some expensive repairs. The OP problems are widespread and not something new.

            I hope the OP can get their $1k back and have the car repaired properly, but I seriously doubt he'll have any luck pushing for a replacement/refund but it is good to see VW offering to fix it for free. On other forums people have had to fight them tooth and nail. The timeframe of OP car also tends to be at the age where the clutch packs start to fail, they're also a consumable and not a "lifelong" part.

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              @StonedWizard:

              it's not a VW issue it's a DCT issue

              VW DCT are the WORST of them all, so its not just a general DCT issue as you claim. There are many DCT gearboxes that don't eat clutches.

              The clutch packs are dry and can't manage heat as well as wet clutch packs

              Funny VW makes a wet and a dry version of the DCT gearbox. The dry one is double crud, the wet one rarely has an issue like the dry. So its not a general DCT issue as you claim, more of a VW tried to save money by making a dry version and it didn't work as it can't get rid of the heat correctly in our climate.

              There's plenty of research out there on how to operate DCT

              Funny, the VW DCT page for Australia says "Drive the way you want." but clearly thats not the case?

              VW FUD to push the issue back to the owners rare than saying there is a problem that the gearbox is made for europes cold weather and not our warm weather.

              VW has for decades covered up issues, put off recalls and heck even cheated on EPA testing on a global scale. You really think they should be trusted as a source of the truth?

              if it doesn't match your driving style

              Shouldn't a car match the driving style of the users using it? This isn't some bespoke car, its a run of the mill every day car for the everyday people and just like apple, the users are holding it wrong, err driving it wrong.

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