Whisky - Getting Used to The Taste

Hi Whisky Lovers,

Requesting tips & guidance from your experience of drinking Whisky.

As much as I have tried to experiment with nth no. of Whiskies, be it single malt or blended, sadly, I have been unsuccessful developing a taste for them. Neat, shot, on the rocks, up, straight up, mixers etc. tried numerous ways. The whisky'ness' and strong alcohol overpowers the flavour for me.

My loyalty to Shiraz has rather become even stronger as a result.

I am not complaining of course, but still would like to enjoy a scotch with Dad. I usually am different (the odd one out) with a glass of Shiraz.

Any tips/ suggestions guys to get going on the Whisky journey? May be trying a different or specific way could assist.

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts :)

FYI/ Update 1 (18/12/18): Guys, I understand I don't have to like Whisky/ hard drinks, and I agree. I would like to though to a tolerable level, simple as.
Intention of this post is to request ideas what works for others as my approach might need a tweak. Sometimes doing things differently or minor variations or new elements work wonders :)
Thanks for your time!

Update 2 (22/12/18): Kind thank you to ALL of you for your time to share experiences, advice & guidance, much appreciated.
Definitely helped & added value, even from those who missed the point. My objective has been met, thanks again OZB community.
Turns out I have received my Christmas present early - Yamazaki 12 & Balvenie 12, can tell the positive taste difference already.
Holidays & experimenting have begun, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year 2019 to you all, enjoy & stay safe :)

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      • I absolutely agree, but I'm pretending to be 16 years old right now to emulate the conditions in which I became accustom to whiskey.

        • +1

          I can confirm that drinking southern comfort as a teenager leads to many great experiences

  • +1

    Hi aarruu,
    I went to the whiskey appreciation centre in Edinburgh many yeasrs ago. The group subsequently went to a bar, and followed the advice given.
    This was - get a group of whiskeys lined up in age: ie Blended; 5 yr old single malt; 10 year old; and a 12-15yr old.

    Then you take a tiny nip of the blended. If you are like me, you pull a face and think "that's a really peaty taste".
    Then take a nip of the aged. And I again thought "oooh, phew, peaty"
    THen the 10 yr old single malt. Same reaction - pursed lips.
    Finally the oldest 12yr single malt. And again "ooo.. that a strong peat taste"

    Now reverse the order and go back down. Having had the really strong, you'll now be able to taste the flavour abit more. By the time I got back to the blended, the reaction was "Oh, that is smooth". Then a spent some time slowly sipping the different aged scotches, until we'd emptied the single shots between us.

    Of course this was on top of spending an hour hearing about all the different regions and flavours and seeing the distilling process. So I had expectations and names in my head for the tastes, and early flavour versus residual flavour. And smelling peat soil. And it beinga cold, wet and miserable Edinburgh winter outside.

    SInce those days, you can get aged blended as well now, so your call as to when to go from belnded to single malt.

    Regarding water - I was strongly told by the family of friends I stayed at, that you never use ice with scotch; but that 50/50 water scotch is perfectly acceptable. It lets you taste the flavours more easily.

    SO on reflection, I guess it is also a lot like how I learned to drink beer and bad red wine - summer work BarBques with nothing else there to drink and hours to kill. After that, I could appreciate good red and nice beer. :)

  • I don't think it's an acquired taste, or an age thing. Whiskey has been my favorite thing to drink since I was 19 or 20 and I've never really liked beer or wine.

    As others have said, there's really no reason to source yourself to like it like that.

  • +2

    Double black, Kraken and Gosling are what I have on the rocks very nice stuff and not too $$ either

  • It tastes bad because you're poisoning yourself

  • +2

    Hey mate, when I went sheen the same path 10years ago, I could not drink whiskey straight, it tasted like cardboard.
    Pick an unpeated whiskey - something generic, probably blended. The Glenlivet would be a good choice. I would start with mixers, ginger ale was my choice, and keep at that for a few minths until you get used to the taste. From there I would go straight to on the rocks. This kills the taste a bit. Once you're comfortable with that, drop the ice.
    I wouldn't waste money on anything special until you like the taste, I don't think it helps. Once you're very comfortable on non-peated, try the dark side. Talisker Port Reah was the gateway for me. Lightly peated and tasty.
    Once you're on board, checkout 'whiskey live' in your city. A bit pricey, but a good range on booze with decent food.
    Join the club. Don't worry, it IS an acquired taste and you need to acquire it. I LOVE whiskey now, but am also fond of other neat spirits which I couldn't drink before.

  • I don't like whiskey either, but when I went to the Jameson distillery they suggested mixing it with cranberry juice, which is quite nice. Maybe start off with mixers?

  • Seriously!

  • I’m quite a whiskey lover and also a collector. Personally I prefer non-peated cask-strength whiskeys. I almost can’t stand mild strength heavily peated varieties. Cask strength whiskeys pack a lot more punch, they are usually between 55-60% alcohol and can have a more explosive flavour. So I enjoy them neat and by having very small sips and letting the alcohol sit on the tongue for about 5 seconds before swallowing it.

    • Good taste! I'm quite fond of the arbelour abunadh. Big sherry bomb.

  • I believe it's an acquired taste, same as starting off with a sweet wine or starting coffee with sugar. As your palette changes you will find the sweet wine / sugar coffee too sweet and slowly remove the sweetness to get an appreciation for the flavours. Most of the tips regarding water/ice, blends/age are correct however that's more for when you can enjoy a straight whiskey and how to maximize the appreciation at that stage.

    For getting used to the whiskey taste I'd recommend starting with a mixer to get used to the whiskey, start with a lot of mixer then slowly decrease the mixer amount as you get more comfortable with the taste, eventually you won't need or like the mixer. When younger and started I used to love mixing dry ginger + a twist of lime.

  • The Glenlivet and Glenfiddich 12yo are horrific to drink straight, the Aberlour 12yo which just came up on ozbargain is nice, as are Glenlivet or Glenfiddich 15yo+. Balvinie 12yo is another good one. I love scotch but if the only choice was the cheaper ones I’d stick to beer and wine.

    • I wouldn't call them horrific, just…generic.

  • I like shiraz too!

    You should try 4 pillars shiraz gin!

    It's not whiskey, but give it a go!

  • +3

    There's a lot of fine answers in here, many of which I have personally found to be true (for me).

    • If you don't want to drink, or you don't like it, of course you don't have to do it.
    • Trying something new around close friends or family is a good way to have a go, and maybe they can expose you to something different or new but without any pressure or consequence.
    • Taste preferences do change over the years. I hated the taste of spirits when I was younger, all I got was the alcohol burn and overpowering smell… but now approaching 40 I have more of a taste for it and rather like it from time to time.
    • Go slowly. Only pour a little bit, and sip it in very very small amounts. As a youngster I think I was trying to take big gulps - yuck. Tiny tiny sips work for me. Take your time to drink what you poured, there's no rush.
    • Use a decent quality glass, it feels 'nicer and makes it seem like a nice experience'. Something with thick walls, but wide and short so you can get your nose in and have a smell.
    • I like ice with it, and as the ice melts it waters the drink down and feels a bit 'smoother'. Again, no rush.

    • Don't do it on an empty stomach, or try and slam it down like in the movies or on TV.

    • And if it's not for you, it's not for you. Maybe in future in will be, but it's no problem if not.
    • All great tips

  • It is an age thing. My father in law loves his Whiskey, and he said it only came about around age 40. I have tried it, but it is too strong for my liking. I mix Rum or Vodka with soft drinks, but straight hard drinks are not nice at all for me (31 yo).

  • +1

    I love my red wine (particularly Shiraz) and unfortunately there is something about red wine that now makes it hard for me to sleep if I have one in the evening. I thought that I didn't like scotch until I was offered a really nice one by a friend, I now enjoy a good occasional scotch as I have previously enjoyed red wine. My suggestion is that you start with a scotch that has a flavor profile that you like. I love smokey flavours and was introduced to a smokey scotch called Laproagh. I drink scotch over ice and just take small sips, I have now realized that scotch can be enjoyed like a nice wine and can have real depth of flavour to enjoy. Always drink responsibly :-)

  • What is it that you dislike. Some of the Whiskey on the market can be strong and overpowering. Try and start with a sweeter whiskey.

    Aultmore is a rather sweet whiskey.
    Jameson is not to overpowering, and well priced.
    Try and stay away from the Islay ones in particular, as they are quite smokey and strong in their flavors, so definitely more an acquired taste.

    Some of the Japanese Whiskeys can be light on the palate as well .

  • +1

    If you dont like CC with dry and fresh lime then I dont know what to tell you…

  • +2

    I'm Scottish and I love whisky so this seems like my kind of thread.

    Most people drink whisky the wrong way and dislike it as a result. You need to add a splash of water to your dram - I usually go 1 part water to 2 parts whisky.

    No ice, no mixers, no nothing. Water brings out the flavour in it.

    If you're still not sure, here's the science behind it ;

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/aug/17/whisky-and-w…

    For the record, I'm in my 30s and I've been drinking it since I was 18.

  • I agree with what others have said about your tastes changing as you age.

    Quite a lot of your taste buds die throughout your life, and by age 60-70 you only have 30% or so left (don't quote me on numbers).

    That's why some old men like the taste, it's so strong and burning that it's one of the few things they can actually taste!

    I've only just started to like it mid-life.

  • Don’t drink.

  • I started off with the Glengrant single malt scotch whisky and is my only favourite drink. Tried their 10 year old, Lagavulin 16 year old and Johnny walker Green label. Didn't like any of them as they all had a smoky flavour

  • +4

    As others have pointed out you wanting to drink something that you don't instantly like the taste of may be a considered a little counter-intuitive. But as you mentioned at this point it is about the social experience and connection that comes with having the whiskey with your dad, not the pure love for the product itself, and I get that. So at the very least, we need to be open to the experience and what it will bring, and thats your motivation here.

    So cant guarantee its going to work for you but if you want to try and climatize, I would suggest maybe approaching the drinking from a slightly different perspective- you may benefit from a graduated mindful (mindful is key here) exposure to various whiskeys. Mindfulness is about dropping the harsh criticisms and commentary that our mind adds with any private or public experience (thoughts/feelings/sensations/etc). Seeing as you've tried it and, like many didn't instantly agree with the taste (including myself when I first started drinking whiskey), this may not initially be about you falling in love with whisky. It may instead be about learning to be open to appreciate it for what it is over time, without being pulled into the critical, knee jerk reaction of something akin to- "its a repulsive taste" or "i don't like it", which equals negative experience, which equals bad, which equals I don't want to experience it again. In this way, even if you try to drink it, you are "tolerating" the experience of drinking whiskey, not embracing it for what it is.

    So, what to do:
    1) Learn the mindfulness. There are plenty of mindfulness exercises out there that could get you started, and perhaps something with a more palatable food/drink would be good to get you started in practicing this first - ie choclate, or you could apply the same principal to wine https://psychcentral.com/blog/practicing-mindfulness-with-ch… .
    2) Whiskey time. I'd suggest picking something that is likely to be easier for you to expose to- ie a cocktail with other more palatable flavors (a whiskey sour, old fashioned comes to mind), or even a VERY heavily watered down whiskey (I can hear OxB whiskey dirnkers now- WHAT BLASPHEMY!!!! - well, its a gateway for the a fore-mentioned acclimatization, its for the greater good!), or hey maybe even a whiskey liquor - ie WT american honey, and water that down. Then apply your mindfulness and begin with small sips and ask yourself some of the questions posed here about what you notice/sense - https://thewhiskeywash.com/whiskey-styles/bourbon/art-mindfu… .Get curious, notice, and avoid the judgements that your mind comes up with, it isn't helpful at this point.
    3) Climatize/increase exposure. As you become accustomed to the sensations of the drink, decrease the water, change to a slightly stronger whiskey or eventually a straight whiskey (if that's your goal, it isn't mine).
    4) Acknowledge any changes from where you started. Heck, even if you get as far as drinking your own concoction of an old-fashioned or some other spirit based drink, then consider that a win.

    Good luck and hope this helps!

  • +1

    Start with scotch & ginger ale.
    When you like that, acquire a taste for scotch & soda.
    Next get used to scotch on the rocks with a splash of water, sipped slowly so the ice can melt.
    Next start enjoying scotch on the rocks.
    Finally enjoy scotch neat, with a splash of water. Over time, gradually reduce the amount of water you are putting in until you are adding just a few drops to cut the alcohol taste and opening up the scotch flavours.

    PS: do all this with an 'everyday' scotch/whiskey like Monkey Shoulder, Jonnie Walker Black or Chivas Regal.

  • Don't like it? Don't drink it. I hate the taste of beer. Tried heaps of different flavours over the past 30 years and never liked any, even been to microbreweries with mates who swear this or that is the best. Hate it!

    I do like spirits. So when others are going out for a beer I'll grab a spirit.

    I found getting into spirits I needed to start on sweet or spiced spirits first. I'd suggest starting on kracken (spiced rum) with a bit of coke. It's fairly sweet. Then over time put less coke in. Until your straight and then try a drier rum or give a whiskey a go.

    But overall. If you don't like it. Don't drink it. Just because it looks cool doesn't mean you should spend your time trying to down a whiskey and hating it.

  • +1

    I used to work in a bottle shop and while I didn’t have to like everything on sale it was still important to learn how everything was made and what made one type of drink better than another. One thing I really related to was a Johnny walker whisky tasting (which may still be on offer) which gave examples of 4 different single malts, all strong examples of their types. The purpose of the session was to show the benefit of blending these four types together expertly as in a top shelf JW but really it was just a good tool to learn about whisky.
    Tl/dr: find a beginners guide to whiskey.

  • +1

    I know this has already been mentioned, but to repeat it: water water water!

    I have a rotating 6 bottle selection of whiskies and I never drink em without some water. I probably dilute down to 35% abv but don't be afraid to start from 25-30%.

    I would recommend some of the sweeter, fruiter malts to start with, i.e. a sherried Speyside. Doesn't need to be too expensive.

  • +2

    Have it during winter when it is cold outside. Environmental factors play an important part. Picture yourself sitting in an arm chair next to a fireplace, rain hitting the roof and firewood crackling away. Pour yourself a nice single malt whisky in a glencairn glass neat. Enjoy the colour of the whisky that is amber in colour, medium in viscosity and clear in opacity. Appreciate what comes through the nose: sweet berries, strawberry, raspberry, oranges, lemons, pears, vanilla and mint. Have a gentle sip and feel it in your mouth: creamy and hit by green fruit (apples, pears, grapes) and oak. Let it glide down and sooth your soul while looking into the fireplace; reflecting on wonderful memories in your life.

    Then interrupted by your wife: "Have you emptied the dishwasher yet??? I've told you a thousand times!"

    And that's why you drink whisky.

  • +1

    When traveling Tasmania a few years back i was in a similar boat to yourself. A gentleman at a whisky bar recommended that i tried Hellyers Road Single Malt Pinot Noir Finish with a ice ball as a gateway whisky, smooth whisky with fruit and vanilla notes to it . Mind you it retails around $90

  • +3

    Hey aaruu, I went through a similar experience and couldn't stand the flavour of scotch whisky from when I was 18 to about 28 but wanted to for the same reasons. Turns out part of it was my dad's selection of scotch :) Then I was set on the path by someone with more knowledge and flavours I actually enjoyed. Now 10 years later whisky is one of my favourite drinks, I have hundreds of bottles, have attended dozens of tastings, workshops and masterclasses.

    Firstly lets start with the obvious, spirit aren't for everyone, there, that's that out of the way. Now onto enjoying it. There are already some great tips on here and I will echo a lot of it. Start with light easy drinking whisky, the one that got me saying wow whisky can be nice is Glenmorangie Original (10 year old), loads of vanilla, nectarine, apple and a really creamy mouthfeel. Another newer release that in my opinion is very light and easy is the Teeling Single Grain (Irish whiskey). Next up water, water, water (bottled or filtered, not tap). There is no right or wrong amount, add a few drops, try it, add some more, try it, keep on going until it is basically whisky cordial. I did this at the start (and still do), it teaches you to taste and appreciate the flavours trapped inside the whisky. Without getting into chemistry some of the flavour molecules are bound to alcohol and these tend to dominate, while others need water to attach to so they can be "released" for nosing and tasting, this is more important with higher ABV whisky and cask strength. While I water some whisky, others I don't as not all hold up to water, but it is great to start watering all of them to see how they change while you learn. If you try a nice light whisky when really watered down, you find you still don't like the flavour at all, then there isn't much you can do, it's probably not your drink. I found my dislike was the blends my dad had when I first tried as an 18 year old and assumed all whisky was like that so avoided it. Turns out there is so much more out there and much of it I love.

    My advice is go to a good tasting night, they are on all the time in most states to learn about nosing/tasting. Doing it right does make a difference. Quickly here are some tips for you.
    * Use a good whisky glass, my favourite is a Glencairn whisky glass, most bottle shops sell them (about $15 for 2 pack). Tumblers are for mixing or drinking with ice, also not the best for nosing/appreciating.
    * To learn to taste I'd stick with water. Later you can experiment with clean ice (good for summer), but I'd avoid flavoured mixers as you are not tasting just the whisky then. Just my thoughts.
    * When you pour a whisky, give it a light swirl and let it sit for a few minutes to allow the aroma to fill the glass. In the first minute all you will have is ethanol fumes and that isn't pleasant.
    * When nosing a whisky, don't jam your nose in the glass and inhale as it will burn your nose. See point above about ethanol fumes.
    * Keep your mouth open when you raise the glass to your nose to inhale, it allows air to enter through your nose and mouth diluting the aroma and alcohol fumes, this makes it easier to nose and pick out aromas.
    * When you sip, actually sip (I get about 10-20 sips out of 30ml) and keep your mouth closed (very important), roll the whisky around your mouth and tongue and "chew it", keep it in there for at least 10 seconds to a minute before you swallow. The higher the ABV the longer you swirl. A master in this field once said keep the whisky in your mouth for 1 second for each year it was aged as a minimum. The reason for keeping it in your mouth is your body will naturally release saliva upon swirling it, which dilutes the whisky down in your mouth to prevent any "alcohol burn". This is how you can drink 60-70% whisky and have no burn. It also coats the mouth with all the flavours so after you swallow you can appreciate and savour them.
    * Now another very important tip. After you swallow do not, and I cannot stress this enough, open your mouth and inhale. This can be hard as is a natural reflex for some people. This will instantly vaporise any ethanol in your mouth/throat and result in immediate burn/fire in your mouth and throat and possibly send you into a gagging fit if it goes into your lungs. This is especially bad if it was a 70% cask strength monster (speaking from experience). After the swallow in the previous point, keep your mouth closed and now with an empty mouth keep rolling it around and chewing to produce more saliva and keep swallowing and savouring. This is how to get the most out of it and actually taste it.

    These are the few points I use after being taught to taste by many industry professionals, it is not the only way or necessarily the best, but it helped me immensely in appreciating whisky. Good luck on your journey.

    • Wall of text but perfect description on taking small tips and avoiding burn. Hope op reads this one.

  • +1

    Hi mate,

    Try this:

    First - mix it with coke. Mix it with as much coke as you need to enjoy it.
    Next - once you've grown to liking coke + whisky/rum/bourbon, go with water instead of coke. Again, use as much as you need.
    Eventually, you will grow to enjoy it to the point where you're just drinking the spirit on ice. Then eventually you will handle it neat as well.

  • +1

    I had a similar desire when I was younger. Didn't like it straight up, but liked the idea and the manliness that comes with having a glass of whisky and I did like it as a mixer. So I started out drinking scotch and dry ginger ale. Eventually I didn't mind a highball with a bit of lemon. Then scotch on the rocks, then with just a dash of water. Now I mostly drink neat. Some I still enjoy with a bit of ice. Depends on the whisky. So that would be my suggestion. Start with mixers and work your way toward drinking it neat.

    Also avoid anything peated. Its such an acquired taste even for whisky lovers. I don't mind a bit of smoke but I don't like anything that tastes like I'm drinking a burning swamp.

    Try drinking Irish whiskys, Canadian Club or Bourbon/rye/Tennessee whiskey with mixers.

  • +1

    Age is not a factor that decide what you like. Some people enjoy one type of drink more than others. I am a fan of Islay, but it takes time to come to love Islay. Start with smoother ones like Glenfiddich.

    Malt should not be mixed with anything else, but a tablespoon of water. Drink slowly in small sips and let the settle on your tounge before you swallow.

    IMO, Malt Whiskey is the king of drinks :)

  • Cheaper not to like anything then you don't have to spend anything. What is this stupid culture of feeling left out if you're not sipping along? Screw that scrap, just don't drink. I don't drink because it ALL tastes crap to me, inc shiraz, and I don't care what people say or think.

    • Each to its own snook, alcohol is my friend already, making more friends.

      • +1

        Lol, yeah, alcohol is always your friend but not necessarily the morning after :)

  • To help drink whiskey, from my own experience

    1. get the liquid as cold as possible. I would try the whiskey stones that you keep in the freezer (not sure of the name). The intention is to prevent the whiskey releasing vapor. If it is cold enough your taste buds won't work properly and blunt the taste.
      Ice will dilute the drink and release MORE vapor. Only add ice if you like whiskey.

    2. hold your nose. You should be able to block/stop breathing though your nose without using your hands.
      Smell contributes significantly to taste and blocking you nose will blunt the taste of anything you eat/drink.

    3. if mixing drinks is acceptable, indian tonic water will cover the taste of nasty spirits like no other soft drink. Coke/lemonade/regular soda water may sweeten the drink but the taste of alcohol is still there

    source: when I was younger (and stupid) I would drink glasses of straight vodka and impress my friends.

  • Stick to wine nothing wrong with being the odd one out.
    You actually become the odd one for forcing yourself to like something you don't.

    • Still love my wine mate, no harm in diversification though. And not forcing myself, seeking community experience on what works for them & have gained a lot of knowledge already :)

      • Jim Jefferies joke comes to mind " you don't drink because you enjoy it, you get drunk because you bloody well have to".

  • Suggestion. Take a medium sip (slightly less than a champagne sip), let the liquor roll around your mouth, let tastebud on your tongue explore the body of the liquor (if you really need some guidance, use 10-15 sec as your yardstick). slowly let the liquor roll down your throat (over time you would notice the change of taste at each different "stage" of consuming the alcohol, just like wine.
    take a big sip of water in between your whisky sips. (rinse and cleanse your palate and start again).

  • +1

    This might sound counter initiative, but I would recommend having a decent mouthful (~10ml, half a shot) and rolling it around the mouth for 10 to 15 seconds and really searching for the flavours.

    I feel like taking small sips makes it taste harsher as it almost just dries into your mouth.

    **just seen the comment above, I guess I'm on the same page as someone

    *** maybe watch a YouTube review of the one you intend to taste and see if you can find the same flavours

  • op: this is totally unrelated to your question, however try vanilla coke. its yum.

  • So I'm gonna disagree with all the 'mix it with coke' comments.. I suggest you buy some orange bitters and some simple syrup (all available at dan murphys etc), then some nice bourbon (Woodford reserve is great) and learn to make an Old Fashioned. Its super easy and it is a quintessential whisky cocktail. Also, get some large ice moulds. Your Dad will probably like these too once you get the recipe down pat.

    If you're looking at smoother single malts (Glenfiddich, Glenmorangie, or various Japanese whiskies), pour small (30-50ml) glasses and add ~3 ice cubes. As they melt they chill the whisky and dilute it as well. Sip, let it sit on your tongue for 5-10 seconds, and enjoy the flavour journey!

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