4G vs NBN

LBrendan86 on 30/01/2019 - 18:03

Hi guys,

Now today and work I had a debate with my mate, Basically I said my download speed would be faster than NBN. So I ran speedtest and was getting speeds of 70mb/sec.

Now can anyone here tell me if a 100mb NBN line would beat that? While I know it can download at up to 100mb/sec realistically it wont even come close.

Now while I know NBN is more consistent at speeds 4g is very fast also depending where you live.

So I would like some input if anyone can help settle this argument 😀

And if anyone has NBN can they post there rough speeds

Thanks
Brenda

Internet 4G Broadband nbn

Comments

  • follow on 30/01/2019 - 18:08
    +3

    FTTP/FTTC/FTTB/HFC - have a theoretical speed of higher than 100Mbps. Actual depends on RSP.
    For many you'd get roughly 90-100.

    FTTN - depends on a whole range of factors, mainly line length.

  • 87percent on 30/01/2019 - 18:10
    +4

    Is 70 down? That's not that fast, I get 115 down on my non NBN hfc

    • Brendan86 on 30/01/2019 - 18:20
      +1

      115 is very fast I thought top speed of nbn in sydney is 100mb?

      And if it is top speed of 100mb you never actually get close to top speed normally?

      • whooah1979 on 30/01/2019 - 18:32

        my non NBN

        It's not on the NBN.

        • Brendan86 on 30/01/2019 - 18:41

          What does that mean what's it on?

          My bad he must be on about 4g on phone

          • serpserpserp on 30/01/2019 - 19:04

            @Brendan86: He is talking about Telstra or Optus Cable 100mbps plan

          • PVA on 30/01/2019 - 21:17

            @Brendan86: It’s Telstra hfc cable service, before it goes to nbn.
            Soon though he’ll have to switch to nbn.

            And his upload speed is a mile slower than nbn 5 compared to 40.

  • triviums on 30/01/2019 - 18:21
    +1

    When I was on a 100/40 plan I was getting ~95Mbps down on a FTTB connection

    I've since boycotted nbn and now using 4G internet and getting speeds of 230Mbps

    • meiztom on 30/01/2019 - 18:33

      omg where?

      • triviums on 30/01/2019 - 18:42
        +1

        I'm using optus $60 200GB data plan and I'm located a little outside Sydney area

        • meiztom on 31/01/2019 - 09:25

          I'm on 80gb sim plan with optus and struggle to get 10mbps sometimes on the Gold Coast :( Max I see is 20-30.

    • serpserpserp on 30/01/2019 - 19:05

      My phone gets nowhere near that in the Melbourne CBD.

      • BadHorse on 30/01/2019 - 20:52

        Could be due to network congestion and the tall buildings around?

      • PVA on 30/01/2019 - 21:19

        May not be a phone, might be a 4g device that’s can run a lot faster.

  • Topdog on 30/01/2019 - 18:37

    I get 230 odd on 4gx only in cbd though. But yep I got the optus 200gig 4g sim for 60 a month. Does me fine. Watch Netflix in 4K etc.

    • serpserpserp on 30/01/2019 - 19:06
      +5

      With only 200gig you wouldn't want to watch too much stuff a month at 4k res.

      • PVA on 30/01/2019 - 21:19

        Exactly.

  • Brendan86 on 30/01/2019 - 18:40

    Wow that's fast speeds on 4gx, so my question is.. On average which would have faster speeds in sydney area.. 4gx/4g or NBN line to house?

    I cant get the answer anywhere on google 🙈

    Thanks

    • serpserpserp on 30/01/2019 - 19:11
      +2

      You won't be able to get a clear answer. Both NBN and 4G speeds change house to house, street to street, suburb to suburb etc. Say your neighbor had both NBN and 4G and you had the same, while his speeds are a good guide to what you could get, there are so many factors involved in NBN and wireless transmission that you will probably get varying speeds.

      Or you could get lucky and get exactly the same! It is a real crapshoot.

      I don't know what the answer is, but if you are a high usage kind of guy, you probably still want to use a fixed internet connection that has unlimited bandwidth. While if you just want fast speeds for watching the occasional 4k Netflix (which will be VERY occasional) you could get a 4G sim, but if the 4G tower you sit on is getting hammered at night time, you might not get the speed you want (and have less data at your disposal).

      BUT if I had to answer your question in one statement 4GX is the fastest (or has the potential to be fastest).

    • PVA on 30/01/2019 - 21:21

      Don’t be too concerned about speed.
      How much data do you need? If it’s a lot (meaning watching Netflix, downloading games etc, then 4g simply won’t be enough anyway.

    • Magus on 31/01/2019 - 22:41
      +1

      Both are highly variable.
      4G - higher latency, no chance of fixed IP, or internet addressable IP.

      4G will vary also with traffic load, as it is shared in a 'fairly' large area.

      FTTN Depends on how far you are from the node. 70% cannot get near 100Mbps.

      FTTN/FTTC: 70-100mbps.

      FTTP: 2.5Gbps, presented in the house as 4x1000Mbps, but only 100Mbps are economical to purchase atm. There is also distaince limits. Need to be within 15KM of the 'node'

      Sadly, 4GX would be the fastest in more cases. You are likely to pay for it though.

      but, at my place, 4G is faster during most of the day hours. But then again, it is compared with 25/5, the maximum by line can get.

  • mitcheo on 30/01/2019 - 19:24

    my nbn is a joke. no better then 4g

  • josetann on 30/01/2019 - 19:45
    +1

    When I had FTTP, I'd get over 90MBps pretty consistently. Now I have iiNet "ULTRA broadband" which advertises "90Mbps Typical Evening Speeds". Well it's evening, so I checked speedtest.net and I'm getting 279.72Mbps download and 35.34Mbps upload. ALDImobile (Telstra) gave me 21.5Mbps down and 12.5Mbps up, while Amaysim (Optus) gave me 72.4Mbps down and 15.1Mbps up.

    That really won't help you much unless you're our neighbour, but there you go.

    • follow on 30/01/2019 - 20:44
      +1

      That's insane. Are you paying 59.99?

      • josetann on 30/01/2019 - 21:04
        +1

        $79.99. Half price ($39.99) first year.

    • ChillBro on 30/01/2019 - 20:48

      I've tried searching for posts from others who are on the same plan but none of them seem to be getting anywhere near your 280Mb/s. Where are you located?

      • josetann on 30/01/2019 - 21:09

        It's cable internet only offered in Geelong, Mildura, and Ballarat.

        https://www.iinet.net.au/internet-products/fibre/cable/

        Point is, if you simply ask "what are YOU getting on NBN vs 4G" you're going to get answers all over the place. I've never gotten over 100Mbps on 4G. When I had NBN it was way faster and more stable than 4G. But it was FTTP. And I may have just gotten lucky.

        Oh, and NBN finally came to our new place. FTTN. No thanks.

      • josetann on 30/01/2019 - 21:12
        +3

        For the heck of it I did another speedtest. It's past 9PM, speed has gone up a bit.

        https://www.speedtest.net/result/7999336907

        • ChillBro on 30/01/2019 - 21:16
          +1

          God damn.

  • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 30/01/2019 - 19:50

    There's a very interesting thread on OCAU about someone who is ditching their crappy NBN for Optus 4G
    https://forums.overclockers.com.au/threads/build-log-bye-bye…

    • Kangal on 30/01/2019 - 20:15

      Wow, that was a great read.
      I expect to do the same thing as this guy, when LTE-5G demolishes NBN all-together (oh, and when they offer enough monthly data at an affordable price). And, yes we still lag behind internationally when it comes the 4G-LTE in terms of data allowance and price… guess that's just a consequence of the "Aussie tax"/Duopoly we have.

      • serpserpserp on 30/01/2019 - 21:19
        +1

        See you in 2025 then.

        • Kangal on 30/01/2019 - 21:22
          +1

          Don't say that…. I want it in Q4 2020, I need the fast speeds to upload my consciousness before this meat suit expires!

      • PVA on 30/01/2019 - 21:24

        4g can be up to 1000mbs or more. I’ve seen Telstra 4g modem (nighthawk) running at around 750mbs consistently.
        No need to wait for 5g.

    • [Deactivated] on 30/01/2019 - 20:37
      +1

      I'd totally do that, but even my 10mbit crappy ADSL2+ pulls 1700 GB down the line in a month. 4G costs are not viable for heavy users (unless you happen to be a politician). I have however begun trying to split my internet connection which is effective but I haven't finalised my setup yet. (Eg, basic browsing and low latency stuff through 4G while everything else that can wait through ADSL2+.)

      • serpserpserp on 30/01/2019 - 21:20

        That is a lot of Linux ISOs a month.

  • Kangal on 30/01/2019 - 19:58

    I'm on FTTP NBN-100/40 by Click Broadband.
    Off-peak (~1am) I'm getting around 70Mbps down, around 3ms ping, I think around 45Mbps upload.
    On-peak (~7pm) I'm getting around 25Mbps down, around 7ms ping, and around 35Mbps upload.
    Unlimited data cap.

    On my Telstra 4GX I get:
    Off-peak (~1am) I'm getting around 80Mbps down, around 10ms ping, I think around 30Mbps upload.
    On-peak (~7pm) I'm getting around 60Mbps down, around 20ms ping, and around 20Mbps upload.
    15GB +5GB Bonus data cap.

    …with Optus 4G+ I was getting slightly better speeds and coverage (for me), but the 3G coverage isn't as good or fast.
    I use both OzSpeedtest and Ookla speedtest to check them out.

    start rant:
    So whilst I would say NBN-FTTP is still faster than LTE-4GX (but barely/depends), I would say that NBN has practically hit a wall.
    They cannot get faster, in fact, I expect them to get SLOWER in the next couple years. I hold no hope for Gigabit-Fibre connectivity by the NBN group.
    Whereas the new 5G connection should get very close/match in terms of latency/ping, and consistently surpass them in upload speeds, but they would absolutely destroy NBN when it comes to Download Speeds. So I'm crossing my fingers, hoping to get a ~$100/monthly connection by Optus in 2020 for a decent 5G connection with Unlimited Downloads. That's when I can justify paying more for the Mobile Connection, and eliminate NBN FTTP completely.

    However, be warned. As soon as 5G destroys the NBN Monopoly…. we will see those corrupt monkeys start offering NBN+
    Basically, it will be a specialised modem with a SIM card for LTE-and-5G connectivity that kicks in when NBN-FTTN speeds dip below 50Mbps Up or Down…. basically all the time except maybe at 3am. It will be false advertising, since the layman will be fooled into thinking "wow, NBN has finally sorted their issues and is a decent product". They will be taking other people's credit (Telstra, Optus, Vodafone) in innovation to be blunt. Oh, we just bought more copper from overseas last week for NBN, fyi.

    end rant.

    • follow on 30/01/2019 - 20:46

      Thought of changing providers?
      That's a pretty bad download speed.

    • PVA on 30/01/2019 - 21:27

      You have eiethr got a fault or your provider is poor. Go to a different provider.
      ISP are not allowed to sell services that can’t get close to what they are advertising.

      Unless the problem is the device you are testing with.

      • Kangal on 30/01/2019 - 21:43

        It's the provider. I'm using an ASUS RT-5300 and connecting via Ethernet when possible.
        Wifi does mean slightly slower connection though, but not enough to see the bottleneck is the NBN.

        I have been patiently waiting for an Aussie BB deal, but none have come up, and I'm pretty sure they aren't accepting much/any new customers because they're at/near their quota. Other ISP's typically surpass their quota, and simply downgrade the speed for everyone to increase their profit margins/revenue but it looks like Aussie BB is one of those that doesn't compromise. Though I'm not sure if this is the case, since it has been a good couple months, and even the NBN acknowledged they dun effed up the market for those second-tier providers.

        Telstra might be my goto, but they're still stupidly expensive. I'm paying $75/month for Unlimited NBN-100. And the speeds were better month ago before the ISP wasn't as congested. I'm not sure if its worth paying an extra $25/month to stay on NBN-100 with another ISP if its going to increase the performance much/at all (though I would hope so, just have become too critical/skeptical as I age and see shady practices).

  • diceman99 on 30/01/2019 - 21:31

    FTTN is luck. And you need good luck to get a good connection speed.
    2g 3g 4g is also luck as your provider will hook you up to the freest frequency. notice at things like concerts or packed movie theatres your phone data and even talk will drop out due to frequency conjestion.
    If your at the limit of a cell tower or have a cell tower servicing a lot of people then wireless speeds will not be so good.

  • [Deactivated] on 30/01/2019 - 22:24
    +1

    on a 100/40 FTTB Plan get 92mbps down and 37mbps up. 4G 60-95 Down & 1-6 Up Optus, 4G 20-30 Down & 19 Up Telstra. Inner Melb. Do keep in mind that in 4G you can't really game cause of ms lag and latency

  • Axelstrife on 31/01/2019 - 02:59

    You need to say what type of nbn specifically you are talking about.
    FTTP NBN is capable of gigabit speeds so 1000mbps.

  • affable on 31/01/2019 - 09:12

    Biggest advantage of 4G is that its not fixed to your address like NBN is, so you can take it on holidays etc.

  • MrBear on 31/01/2019 - 09:21

    Your download speeds may be better on 4G depending on how busy the signal is, but your latency will not be anywhere near as good. You couldn't multiplayer FPS game on 4G very well I believe due to the latency (from my understanding).

  • xiabonan on 31/01/2019 - 11:58

    Can't speak for others but I do get 90-95mbps down/30-35mbps up on 100/40 HFC nbn myself, location being Ashfield Sydney.

    Actual download speeds vary, depending on the source. Say if I torrent a movie or download games from Steam, if the seed quality is good or at least decent, I get between 8 to 10 MBytes per second consistently. That's quite near the theoretical maximum for my speed limit.

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