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Fujitsu Aus seems a bit dodgy. From what it seems with my dealings with them so far for warranty issues. They almost seem like an exclusive agent/distributor rather than the actual company. Claiming warranty from them, you would think you were trying to prove your claim to the throne. And then they used external contractors to come and check and write a report. And if it turned out it was an installation issue or fault caused by that, then I would be charged the $214 call out fee. They even took my credit card details first before sending the guy to have a look.
I wonder if the other AC companies are similar to deal with. So far 2 repairs with previous model. AC guy said there's an issue with the coils. Guessing it's fixed with all the new models
To be fair, I have found ZERO air conditioning brands that will warranty you against installation faults - including the type where all your gas leaks out.
If your installer won't warranty his own install, (profanity) them off OR choose to pay to have your gas refilled every couple years.
how much is gas refill? my unit had issue during installation and cant find the installer anymore.. :(
It’s not as simple as refilling it. They will need to find the leakage point and repair it.
Most of the time if the system is new it will be on the flare connections made during installation. But sometimes it will be much more difficult to find and labour costs add up.$450 I had to have it done…
Cost to repair is variable and it's pissing annoying hence my previous comment.
Repairman call out fee
Plus hourly fee to find the leak, repair the leak, pressure test (often overnight if unsure)
Cost of pulling apart your house to get at the pipes
Cost of the gas mix per kg *
Cost of reclaiming any remaining gas and disposing environmentally- different units hold different amounts of gas and different gasses between them
eg 410a is common - a mixture of difluoromethane and pentafluoroethane
This one uses
R32 which is a zeotropic mix of pentafluoroethane (R-125) and tetrafluoroethane
Long story short, guy doesn't know how much of each chemical is left after half the pressure is gone, so you dump the lot, refill the whole thing
- different units hold different amounts of gas and different gasses between them
Any brands that have their own contracted or employed installers to avoid this blame game?
Good question. The first unit I had installed by the retailer's installer was the last: Everything was done lackadaisically, and needs to be re-done.
I installed the last few myself (a sparkie does the electrics and I'm sort of qualified to do AC), so I can be sure the tubes are flared correctly, not too long, not too short, bent properly, evacuated properly, and now with R30 (CO2), pressure tested with N2 and produces the correct pressures.
My thinking is to avoid having to argue about warranty in the first place by making sure the installation is done properly. (Installation is the most common cause of failure by far).
With R30 gas running at much higher pressures, this has become far more important than it was before (with R410) as it leaks more readily
I like Fujitsus, they are made better than most and have good controls. But they still have 'stupid' buttons- buttons that's sole purpose in life is to sell a useless feature to the naive masses instead of what you actually need which in my mind includes ease of use by keeping things simple.
The new movement sensors OTOH are a very useful feature, as they reduce power consumption on a day to day basis by upping the set temperature when noone is around.
@resisting the urge: Useless features like the 10 degrees heat button? Or the "Powerful" button? Just pointless buttons for the Australian market.
@samfisher5986: All it does on mine is put the unit into Max fan mode, which the system does on its own if the set temperature is a a long way from ambient. The cooling amount is limited by the capacity of the unit, and so even if the fan is on max the rate of heat transfer is no different. They may overload the compressor temporarily with the powerful button, but even if they do the speed at which the room cools is not going to change by more than say 20%, so from say 10 mins to 12mins. I imagine it cancels out once the temperature stabilises, if you don't have to take it out of powerful mode yourself, I can see it could be used every now and then.
Not sure it should stick out more than any other button though, as they made it do.
@resisting the urge: Crap.
I typed a long reply, then pressed the wrong button on the tiny phone screen and lost all the text, so I won't bother retyping.
Thanks for the answer anyway.
Ps. Long story short - I meant a manufacturer installer, rather than one recommended or contracted by retailer.
But I know what you mean, because like you, I had a really bad experience with an installer recommended by the retailer.
I work for a manufacturer and as far as I know we and others won’t install.
Best way avoid costs involved with failure location is to get your installers to request a service call on your behalf. That way the manufacturer can bill them directly if it is due to their installation.
What is zero ac brand? Can't google that brand? The only thing I found is zero breeze portable air con?
What is your issue with your A/C? Are these the models before the wifi was built in? I have the first gen wifi ones (which the wifi bit is rubbish btw). I think I have issues with one of them being noisy but it is hard to tell if it is just the sound they all make, an issue with the unit, or more likely an install issue.
The model just before wifi. Had a leak outside due to some faulty part (which I cant remember, and now a leak inside due to something called a coil. And the tech said that this was a known fault with the model. I really dislike how fujitsu hand ball you to the contractor company which insist on taking down your credit card details first! So, if the tech says its installer or user fault they hit you with the 214 straight away. Just say your TV needs a warranty assessment I doubt JB etc will take down your credit card details first! Or if samsung, Lg send someone to the house, they don't take your credit card details first before sending someone over.
Ill be looking at a different brand next time after doing some homework as to how the warranty process is handled
Also make sure you you get a certificate of compliance for both the electrical and plumbing work done for the install. Give you some rights at least to try chase up the installers, if it is their fault. But that probably end up being a lengthy claim through VCAT?? Someone told me once their warranty wasn't honoured due to doing a cash job and not getting any certificates.
True. But to be honest, I had a problem with the fridge and although the process was different, it was essentially the hard balling you received here. They told me it would cost X dollars to get anyone to look at it at all. When the guy came out he repeated what it would cost when he got to the door. As soon as he had finished before he did any other paperwork he whipped out the eftpos terminal for payment.
I'm sure a lot of places have people that crack it over any cost and refuse to pay once they realize they are up for a potentially big bill. So this is probably why they are a bit strong handed on this. Doesn't help their customer experience though.
Wow that's a fantastic deal especially for a 8.5kw model. Very tempting to finally upgrade my old box aircon.
This is a high powered system so only 2 star energy rating (cooling) and 3 star (heating).
They give lower ratings when things have more power? Do you mean low efficiency? Being high powered doesn't necessarily mean poor energy efficiency.
For aircons it kinda does. Its the reverse of what you'd normally think. The efficiency of an aircon depends on its ability to transfer heat to the outside air. The more aluminium fins, the better. But if you look at the systems, the size of the 7.5kw boxes are not 3 times the size of the 2.5kw systems, they are infact lucky to be twice the size. Now whether thats due to regulation or just to make installation easier, I don't know, but it does cost some points in efficiency. End result is its almost always more efficient to get multiple smaller systems than 1 large systems.
of course it's 2 star energy. 8.5Kw system = 8.5x$0.20(avg energy price)= $1.70 per hour. If a/c is ON for 8 hrs per day, it will be $9.40 per day.
Does it really draw the full 8.5kw when on? I have mine set to 26 degrees and hardly notice the bill difference.
No. They do not draw that much power.
My 2.2KW reverse cycle window unit draws a steady 590-600 Watts during the 'on'cycle.
Considering that they turn on and off, depending on temperature, they will take a fraction of that.
On off cycle it draws 80Watts, so my range for that bedroom is 80~600 Watts when on.
My average is less than half the maximum (it turns on and off, and it's not on 24/7).
I calculated that for the 29 cents per KWH (1,000 Watt Hours) the airconditioner can run for 2 or 3 hours at peak heat (200-300 Watt average) and most days for the same 29 cents it can run for 5-10 hours (at an average draw of 100-200 Watts) depending on temperature (and therefore the percentage of time it runs at full power).
Based on two window airconditioners we bought two years ago we estimated the added cost in summer is about 35 cents per day for the 2.7KW unit (it is in a larger bedroom too), and about 25 cents per day for the 2.2 KW unit.
The 2.2KW unit is installed on the West side of the house in full sun with no cover, and the main wall with the large bedroom window facing north (so sun all day).
At first we used the electricity bills, and the outside power meter to keep track of power usage (with everything off but the airconditioners).
Last two months I've been using an electronic electricity meter in line with the 2.2 KW unit to measure usage a lot more accurately.
If you have a split system inverter the cost per KW will be even less on a comparable size unit because they are more efficient.
The bedrooms are 3.5x4 and 6x4 metres.
At around 60 cents per day for both bedrooms we'd expect a bill of about $60 a quarter, we noticed our bill went up by no more than about $100 dollars a quarter in summer.
But even if it were ten times that, it'd be money well spent (with the bill split between two people)
@BooYa: Thanks for sharing your testing. Yeah I suspected that’s the case we have split system inverters In bedrooms and on a west facing top floor apartment and probably experience the same. No more than $100 a quarter even in the hottest summer. We rarely set below 25 though and use the energy save motion detect feature.
8.5kW is its effective cooling or heating. I haven't actually looked but my guess is its peak power is around 2.5kW.
I have a 7.5kW that uses 2.2kW peak power (eg. Starting up). Most the time it is using 200W.
Not quite how it works mate. The 8.5kw is it's cooling or heating capacity. The unit has an efficiency rating which indicates how much cooling/heating it produces relatives to its power input.
For an efficiency rating of 2.5:
8.5kw output/ 2.5 efficiency rating = 3.4kw input power.
The unit also doesn't run at max power the entire 8 hours per day, only when actively trying to cool/heat the room.
They don't draw 8.5Kw - you do not understand how A/C works.
I got one a couple of years ago and it's going great. Find an in installer who knows what they're doing. Or at least takes accountability for it. That is no don't incredibly easier to day than do.
Trigger warning: don't read the last sentence hoping for it to make sense!
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@WhyAmICommenting: hahha what the hell was I trying to say? I think I was swyping with google keyboard on an iPhone SE….. either that or I had a stroke..
I nearly burst out laughing in the middle of business meeting when I read these responses.
Great price.
I'd expect the installation to be at least half that price though.
Once you factor in things such as wiring, pipe extension if needed (with the extra gas), and a base for the compressor unit if needed.
Can this be installed in window space ?
I'm looking at a minimal alteration installation. Any alteration I make, I makw to pay to have undone later (government housing rules).
I don't know how sturdy that installation would be.
I read that even minor movement or vibration can lead to gas leakage.
Other than that I can't see why not (I have window units in the bedrooms).
The installer had to remove both the fixed and sliding glass panels because of the width of the unit, but I used to work making glass doors and windows I can easily replace them (they're just screwed in anyway) so it didn't bother me.
Oh, and interestingly, speaking of minimal alteration - he screwed the outer case into the bottom windows sill, and screwed one side of the case to the side of the windows frame (on the inside of the frame).
He then put the aircon unit into that case and put some type of clear plexiglass on the side and top, which he secured with plastic joint/adapter in the middle, and waterproofed the lot with some flexible sealant.
The weight of the unit weighs the back down just enough for condensed water and rain to run off the back of the unit.
Actually, more than the recommended depth of the airconditioner is outside the house/window, due to the position of the 'reinforced' part of the airconditioner frame.
There are no brackets on the outside and nothing but screws inside the window frame, so the alteration would be pretty much invisible unless you looked into the window frame itself.
I was sure they were going to fall out of the windows, taking everything connected to them by power cables, but it's been two years and more than a few storms and wind gusts that shook the roof, but the aircons haven't moved a millimetre (I could tell by the marks/line made by the sealant if they did).
Can this be price-matched with other retailer?
Probably not, since you need to use the discount code.
I had two Fujitsu installed 4 years ago with this company and we had so much problem with both aircon. They are constantly making strange noise from day1. The Fujitsu came replaced new unit both rooms but still Funny plastic noisy when lowering temperature, we had to accept it and put up with the noisy. At end they just made up other excuses like my wall not even.
The unit dripping water indoor during hot days.
I have daikin in other two rooms after and never had any issue.
Fujitsu used to be reliable brand, very upset seeing the quality is like this nowadays.
I can agree, mine makes really weird noises at times.
I have found that, generally, no matter the product, it doesn't matter which brand - if it's made in China, chances are it will be made in the same factory, and be of similar crappy 'quality'.
There is a government page that lists which country all the different companies manufacture their air conditioners.
This government page is meant to list and compare star ratings, but it also lists the country of manufacture (in a large table).
Some manufacturers still make their air conditioners in countries like Japan, where you know the thing won't be just glued together and hope for the best.
From memory some Daikin, and some Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (not Mitsubishi Electric) are not made in China.
That and a few others, but the vast majority is made in China.
I'll try to find and post the link.
delivery $125 to perth