House Design Has Me Stumped

Both houses are "no longer available" . I assume that means sold. I wonder if an ozbargainer bought them. Let us know if you did :)

Another day , another dunny problem…

I've been to see this house today. There's a whole lot more to it ( porch at the front, deck at the back and 2 bedrooms and full bath upstairs..)

But here's what puzzled me : once you've been to the toilet, where do you wash your hands?! And yes, in this politically-charged climate, I always ask the tough questions.

P.s: Would you say this is a design flaw? How would you rectify it?

Edited 19/03/2019

Here's another house I've seen today that has no wash basin in the toilet. This one even has an awkward door opening to boot 😒 Who's buying these houses? Would you buy/rent this one? If yes, I might make an offer…:P

Poll Options

  • 7
    In the ensuite basin
  • 21
    In the kitchen sink
  • 150
    In the laundry
  • 6
    I wipe my hands on my pants to clean them
  • 3
    I carry wet wipes
  • 29
    I don't wash my hands
  • 13
    other

closed Comments

  • +16 votes

    Wouldn't cost much to run a pipe from the shower and have a small wash basin in your toilet room.

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      Where would you put it?

      Edit: Under the stairs might be an option but then you lose the storage space…

      • +14 votes

        In the toilet room on the right hand side as the door opens to the left. A small one may only protrude 15cm from the wall, and has no base so should be enough room.

        • +8 votes

          I had one of those mini basins in my old house - they're so annoying and impractical with barely enough room to wash one hand. I'd rather compromise on storage space under the stairs and have a larger basin.

      • +7 votes

        There are also toilet designs where you wash your hands on the cistern, and that water is then used to flush.

  • +54 votes

    Or look at installing a toilet with a sink on top?

  • +1 vote

    Other means no hands, like a boss.

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    Is that a bench in the ensuite? If that was removed and after a bit of shuffle, you could potentially fit in a long rectangular shower (with two shower heads) and the toilet.

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    Can’t understand any toilet with a basin, don’t even like the 3 way bathroom where there’s a door/knob between the toilet and sink.

    Depending on the structure of the stairs can you insert a recess into that wall for a sink?

  • +3 votes

    God that just looks tiny

    • +1 vote

      It's not in real life. I went in and didn't feel cramped. I believe the RE said the dimensions were 1.7m x 0.9m "off the top of her head". I did get a bit claustrophobic due to the lack of windows in there though.

  • +6 votes

    Use the toilet water

  • +6 votes

    needs poll option - "i dont have hands"

  • +6 votes

    In the cistern.

  • +6 votes

    install a japanese over cistern sink & tap.
    honestly don't know why this is not a thing in australia

    • +1 vote

      The first time I saw that idea, I was pretty damn impressed!

    • +1 vote

      its much more complicated than that. most toilets are provided with recycled water now adays, if thats the case. they arenot allowed inside the house like that through free flowing faucet.
      if a fresh water line is operating near a recycled line it’s even messier. you need to have a rpzd value installed which is about $400 bucks + annual cost.

      i’m no plumber but as someone who is building new house found out about all sorta crap regulations like that.

  • +1 vote

    Big bottle of hand sanitizer in the toilet

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    Is that place even habitable?

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      We've just downsized to a 4-bedroom with 210m2 floor area on a 602m2 land. It's quite comfortable.

      The house I've linked to in my OP has a floor area of 160qm and land is 460 sqm. It had a nice , warm cosy feel about it. Although once, you add my kids and the dog into the equation , it wouldn't work for our family. Could work as an investment property…maybe

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    You're going to see a lot more of this as you venture into your RE interest. High efficiency homes are starting to use cistern basins.

  • +3 votes

    JJ - Replace it with one of those loo's with a basin ontop of the cistern.

  • +2 votes

    Like all Ozbargain things, this needs a Xiaomi solution. Xiaomi bidet, and hands free for the win

  • +3 votes

    Find a new house

  • +3 votes

    Wasn't this more perplexing to you?

    If you sleep in bedroom and needed to do a piss in the middle of the night, would you do it in the shower or go out into the toilet?

    Either way, would you then wash your hands?

  • +1 vote

    Yeah that bathroom shouldn't have been setup as an ensuite. Whole shower/toilet situation should've been 1 whole bathroom

  • +3 votes

    Absolutely fix that, they must have been filthy animals who designed and previously lived in that house. Just imagine how contaminated the door handle on that door would be. The only place you should be washing your hands is inside the toilet room itself. The whole layout is stupid/terrible.

    • +1 vote

      You get that problem with most public toilets, the wash basin is outside the cubicle and that is a whole bunch of people you don’t know. But I agree that the wash basin and the toilet need to be within steps of each other. For our downstairs toilet the laundry sink doubles as the wash basin. We have a soap dispenser and hand towel ring. Often the basins in the toilets are too narrow to be effective. The sinks above the toilet are slightly off putting, I like the concept but standing over the toilet to wash my hands feels, a tad, contradictory. You would, certainly, need to close the lid when you flush to avoid contamination spray.

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      But you're going to wash your hands straight after touching the handle.

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      I wonder how "contaminated" the taps are at your place then? You have to touch something prior to washing your hands (unless you've got one of those motion detector jobbies on both the taps and the soap dispenser).

  • +1 vote

    All I can think is you need a small basin or an above the cistern one, but the layout is just odd.

  • +1 vote

    I inspected a couple old-looking houses in VIC and most of them have this problem.
    It's a nono for me unless you're building this house from scratch and you can get the tap cistern toilet installed.
    Let me guess, all the taps have two separate knobs for normal and hot?

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      The house was built in 2015.So new-ish. The rest of the house is modern and comfortable, if a little on the smaller side.

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      You can replace the knobs with the flick version ones, which is what we did for the laundry. Much easier than going the full flick mixer but better than grasping a knob with sudsy hands, if you pardon the expression.

  • +2 votes

    Easy, just get a cistern with an integrated basin. Such as: https://www.bunnings.com.au/caroma-profile-5-cistern-with-in...

  • +1 vote

    Am I right in saying that the Ensuite doesn't even have a Toilet??
    Very Strange…

    • +2 votes

      Probably because the toilet is for common use but it does, appear, to be a design flaw in the house. Not a place I would purchase.

  • +2 votes

    Change bathroom door to rolling barn door and use space previously taken up by door swing to place tiny basin.

  • +1 vote

    Replace the toilet with a Japanese toilet that has the sink built in. Convenient and eco-friendly. See picture here https://jpninfo.com/99250

  • +1 vote

    the house plan is perfect who those people who don't wash their hands after going to toilet.
    And yes, there are many disgusting people like that.

  • +1 vote

    Please tell me that's a two story house..

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    SIMPLE!
    Install a narrow wash basin in the toilet room

  • +3 votes

    Wee is sterile so you could wash your hands and go at the same time.

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    Looking at the design it is pretty inconvenient to go outside the room to use the toilet. We have a secondary toilet and bathroom upstairs with the toilet having its own small sink (not full size). Works perfectly as the person in the bathroom doesnt have to hamper the person using the toilet and vice versa.

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    Maybe get an electronic bidet. No need to get the hands dirty :).

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    they can put a low profile sink opposite to door, I saw one on a friend house, looked like a toy sink….like wash one hand then the other…..

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    Australia is so big, most land blocks are also big, but I don’t understand why people build so small toilets without the small sink for convenience? It only costs maybe extra $1000 and extra 20-30cm wider in the toilet. Geezz

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      Smallest room in the house? In our case we decided against a sink in our downstairs toilet because it is beyond our laundry and you go past the laundry sink on the way back.

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    lol at all of the in cistern sink suggestions… like it's a 'thing'.
    No, it's a compromise.

    The living area is 48m2, they should have sacrificed some of this space to make the rest of the house liveable.

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    as someone who’s visited hundreds of display homes in the last year, this is not that uncommon i got to say… almost all the houses have them. to have a sink in such a place is to convert that to a “powder room” which is about $7-8K cost. another factor is type of water available, sinks are provided fresh water where toilets are supplied with recycled water. you can’t use recycled for indoor sinks.

  • +1 vote

    You said the room is 1.7m by 0.9m. That's enough space to install a small wall mounted sink. On the wall opposite the door hinge. The door will just miss it when opening.

    | https://www.amazon.co.uk/Compact-Bathroom-Cloakroom-Curved-F...

    Measure carefully because nothing more embarrassing than not being able to open/close the door after the sink has been installed :-)

    The sinks integrated into the toilet cistern are annoying as hell. You have to lean over the toilet bowl to use them. I've used one in Japan and don't recommend it.

  • +1 vote

    That door handle must be pretty shitty.

  • +1 vote

    Could i suggest replacing the toilet with an integrated toilet with basin?

    Caroma do one, and it works quite well.

    Edit: ignore. peple abov have suggested, and i think it would work perfectly in this space…

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    The house I originally posted about is no longer available. I've had a quick look at another one today and it has the same issue: no wash basin in the toilet and this one even has an awkward door opening … :(

    • +1 vote

      The design of that is more normal, the bathroom is right beside the toilet, so the toilet doesn't need a basin. In fact besides the toilet being in the bathroom, second most normal option would be as that design is, right beside the bathroom

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