Dealing with a Difficult Customer and Refund - Opinion Neeed

Hi, fellow OzBargainers. First time poster, long time lurker.

We run a small t-shirt printing business, where customers send in their designs or company logos and we print them after they approve the mock-ups. It's been going for almost a decade now and doing relatively well, however we came across a strange customer. Here's the timeline of events:

  1. Customer places and order for 50 t-shirts. We give them a sample, they approve it and the job gets completed.
  2. They come pick it up, inspect a few and say it looks great.
  3. Three weeks later, they place another order of 50 t-shirts. We complete the job and it gets picked up.
  4. One week later, a very long email comes in saying there's issues and some alignment is off, colour's are off on the fabric or whatever (This is quite common in this industry, there's small variances here and there). We are very happy to reprint them or even refund them in some cases, however with this customer, they gave us no opportunity to remediate.
  5. Now here's the interesting part. He says he will drop all the boxes off at the front door and in the email he provides his BSB / ACC requesting a full refund for every single t-shirt, including the first batch.
  6. We kindly say no, this is not the right process. Please send with a proper courier with tracking and only send the t-shirts which you have found issues with.
  7. He sends the entire lot (pretty much ignoring our request). Again sends his banking details requesting for a full refund. This time he adds 'we would prefer if we didn't write any reviews about your company'. Not sure if that's a threat.
  8. We send the boxes right back, again requesting he does it the right way.
  9. He says we weren't authorised to send it back to him. He will leave it at his front door as it's not his problem now. Again sends an email with this banking details asking for a full refund. This time he adds 'we would prefer if we didn't have to take this to small claims'. Now this time I'm pretty sure it's a threat.
  10. We (following some advice from a friend who's deals with this stuff) send an email in a legal format asking him to do exactly as told. Label each item he wants to return with issues on it and put it into an excel table so we have reference.
  11. Sends the stock back as requested with a table filled out. All 100 t-shirts on there, saying it's crooked. Took a few pictures with a tape measure, saying it's off by a few millimeters etc (some off by centimeters apparently).
  12. Sure, a % may be crooked or completely off, happy to fix it. He adds he has already gone with another supplier and got it all printed. The supplier apparently told him all our recommendations were wrong, doing it the screen printing way is better etc. This doesn't really affect us as it's just opinion, but seems he's just naive and bonded right up with this new supplier.
  13. Threatened again with Small Claims.

What are our rights here? For us it's not actually about money and we can certainly refund it. It's really about the principle. This person has been behaving like a complete immature baby, throwing threats and tantrums. There's right processes to follow, but seems like some people have limited brain capacity to follow it. Most suppliers require RMA's to do proper returns.

We do admit that t-shirts aren't exactly 100%, and so do many other suppliers, especially bulk batches. End of the day it's still a manual job for staff to do. We strive to improve after each and every order.

(Yes I know, some things aren't worth chasing. Just want some opinion).

Comments

  • Unless you can offer a perfect product, you are in the wrong business. You admit some are not okay, this is not a good look. I only sell perfect looking products, and if that is not possible, then I wont take any risks that the customer doesnt like it

    • In this industry, it's almost guaranteed that prints are off. There is an industry standard where variance is allowed as it is prints in fabric. Most suppliers have a 1cm variance rule.

      If you go to kmart, myer or even better brands, and get a ruler out to measure the prints, they're not right to the millimetre.

      If I've got a big belly and stretch the logo to the top, I guess I need to refund the entire order.

  • +1

    I would not recommend a refund, what is the Customer going to do about it? nothing, you can't treat a small business like this and expect to just get away with it.

  • +1

    Use logic, in any business a small portion are just strange tossers you cant make happy…

    1. He ordered a second 50, so obviously he was happy with the first box. No refund for 50 you own them.

    2. All 50 cant be shit out of the second box, and if you did a job worth paying for id imagine no more than 5 that should be refundable on 50 any more then 10% would be unreasonable imo.

    So now we are at 95 that you should be able to say are all good.

    Provide a 5% refund and a $20 off next order coupon, he has obviously found someone cheaper nd is trying the dodgy.

    The thing about these people when they complain is they go all out saying crap to the tune of your shirts wrecked their life sorta shit, people can see that if they have half a brain, the trick is to be reasonable but also protect yourself and business.

  • +1

    Stand your ground.

    But before fighting him in a small claims court, make sure you have his ridiculous demands and actions in writing. Do you have emails where he refuses to follow your returns policy? If not, you're gonna be in strife it it goes to VCAT. You would need to show he refused to follow the returns policy, and prove that it was on your website when he made the purchase etc and not something you just made up when he complained. A paper trail is the only way you will be able to defend yourself.

    Also make sure you have in writing his acceptance of the sample and when he picked them up he was happy. If it was verbal you may be in trouble defending that.

  • +1

    Everyone is posting consumer. Does everyone realised it is business to business and consumer law doesn't apply?

    Also it is custom made goods therefore it is up to supplier and business customer to negotiate and accept contracts including warranties if any.

    100 t-shirts is not consumer quantities, it is commercial quantities. Plus it is bespoke goods. He should have inspected it and given notice soon as practical not 3 weeks later. Those that are off if you can't spot it in a line up of people wearing it then he has no leg to stand on.

    • Mine was on a logical view point lol not consumer law.

  • +6

    Can anybody name a business that will give a refund on "custom" or "cut to size" product?

    First batch = Nothing. No tribunal is going to award this idiot damages on the first batch if they ordered a second batch. It makes no sense.
    Second batch = Offer to correct/rectify the faulty t-shirts. If they do not like it bad luck.

    Giving this idiot a refund is shining a green light to every shady customer that wants to dump unwanted stock and expecting a full refund.

    As for this idiot getting their shirts printed by another supplier? Tough titties. Your business is not responsible for compensating this moron for a decision they made when your business was/is willing to rectify the fault.

  • +2

    Agree with above. Commercial custom order. Placed a second. Guy’s an idiot. Threats to post negative reviews etc Absolutely stand your ground.

  • +1

    Sounds like he realised screen printing is better and doesn't want the digital prints that he thought he wanted. He is prob a regular on this forum with that kind of behaviour. It's poor form to pull something like that on a small business.

  • Tax write off move on with life and business

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