Chiropractor Caused Severe Back Pain

100000000A0000000001 on 23/08/2019 - 07:04
Last edited 25/08/2019 - 04:31

Morning to All!

Firstly,i Couldn't sleep whole week properly and whole night tonight due to back pain and my whole week was nightmare

A month and a half ago i went to my local GP for some tests and a tiny pain(from inside the hip) which started after gaining 30 extra kgs(core of the problem).My GP adviced me to take a trip to Chiropractor(saying he/she was 'Real good') rather than paying 200+ bucks to see the interior drama thru MRI.(Big mistake)

After long resist of standing against this decision(approx 1+ month.A week ago i decided to give it a go…(BIGGEST mistake) and took and appo with the Chiro.

When i went there they gave a paperwork and at the back of it similar to saying "If we completely destroy your spine,leave you paralyzed or nerve damage etc etc(tones of other stuff),we are not responsible and here is your consent" and it was sort of shocking. I raised my concerns and i DID NOT sign the paper.So i did NOT consent to procedure whatsoever.

The receptionist at the place said "Ok" and when the Chiro called me in, i went and briefly after approx 3minutes talk which He didn't ask anything( if i have conditions anywhere or anything serious ) except if i had any broken bones and let me sit to table and poked back of my spine mumbling some of the spinal lumbers(L1-2-3-4-5 those thingies) and started the procedure straight on!!

I was not happy but at that moment i felt no pain.

Until (later i learned when i asked why the pain) he applied "Dry needling" to my back and did the leg crunchy painful movement.

Whole process took maybe 10minutes(with some hot towel&massage) and i had to pay money(as they stated).

At this stage,i haven't even given an explanation or a detailed paper on what procedure is done!

Less than 2hours,
I started having nerve pain,here,there and almost all the places he tweaked around.
The whole weekend was nightmare.My back started having PAIN constantly in different places!! Having pain in the areas i NEVER had any pain in my life.Nerve pain as well as BURNING sense of pain where he did the needle "treatment".i searched on Dry needle Side effects and didn't find good stuff.

1 week on, i went to see another GP who said it was complete pseudoscience and he stated it was too early for MRI scans for any damage to show(True or not?).

Damage report:

(NONE of these existed before except once a year tinitiny inside right hip when i sit for too long btw)

1-I have full motion of my spine but TONES of randomised nerve pain.Especially inside the hips.Sciatica kind of pain in BOTH.Very painful. Sometimes it pulses down to my leg.

2-Tail section is also in some form of pain

3-Under my Right Rib i got pain coming and going with motion.Which is painful and stressful.

4-Had a massive headache at the right side of my head for a few times.Which NEVER happened to me,Ever in my life.

5-Couldnt do almost any of the sports during whole week and feeling tired/weird.

6-Walking like my spine is going to somewhere rather then the place i want it to go(Very weird and hard to explain sense but NOT a good feeling at all!)

Questions for Experts:

0-Should i go to MRI asap today?Do fresh damages show up on MRI or my GP does not want to take it seriously?(i have pain but full motion,so he said yea yea yea,nah you are OK)

1-Any risk of permanent damages?

2-Burning sensation at the dry needling area,infection,inflammation?Is there a nerve damage,can it be visible in MRI from this Dry needling?(GP had no idea what it is)

3-Your Family/Friends experiences about this kind of "back wreckjustment"?Did they have the similar experiences? Did they get better or had pain etc?

4-How are these "Clinics" which are running on Complete Nutscience are legal? Some are doing almost live human experienced and no regulations??? IF i wanted to build&manufacture a ladder i need to go thru a wall high(literally) of AS standart and paperwork and these clinics can do inject solutions into human spine??

5-Should i do a legal stand or sit up or chin up? Will raise complaints here and there but i don't think they'll take it even seriously.

From what i experienced,looked up and learned this practice is complete Pseudoscience which does NOT have solid scientific base or proof.

Another VERY interesting thing is all these "Clinics" have COMPLETE 5 FULL star reviews on FB,Google etc. ZERO 1 star reviews…
Which was really interesting to see…

Years ago,i went with one of my friends to one of these chiros and he was asking my mate to bring him Xrays almost every week!!!!(crazy).He went for months and at the end,ended up in the specialist whom told to his face(i was with him as a company both times) that it was NOT a fix to get with Chiro as it was an unknown Autoimmune disease which attacked his joints and he had all the Rad from tonnes of Xrays and paid solid gold amount for nothing to all..

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I'll be behind the screen reading answers but may delay answering them due to pain&sleepless night.
And i'll add updates as well if anyone wants?
Poll?
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Update-1:

Thanks everyone for the contributions. I'll keep updating. I did a map,NO WHERE NEAR ACCURATE thou. Hard to tell exact pinpoint in this image due to not knowing how to count spine sections but marked them as much as i can.

https://imgur.com/9cFdOPO

A : The MOST painfull and pulsing pain section at the moment. Time to time Goes down to leg.
B : Where the Dry needling thingy happened. Although the pain is
lessened i feel pressure and pinching kind of feeling when laying flat

C: When laying Sideway or when doing movements(such as streching the left leg while sitting) combined with D it randomly has a nervy feeling(like dislocation) (Very hard to describe) but the pain is lessened and happenes very rarely.

D: Had Pain but improved.

E: Still Mild pain around this whole area overal.

I used whole V……n and after few hours i used a cream called D—p-H—t (I have hidden names of the products but they are from Woolies&Pharma non prescribed) and seemed to help a lot and improved.

Still thinking about MRI thou as B and A is no where near. B especially keeping me awake and feeling squashed(or under pressure) even when i lay flat…

Currently it seems to get better(ish) but nowhere near where i was before.

I read all the comments but may delay on answering and will keep on updating. Thanks to everyone of you.

Health & Beauty

Comments

        • SteatoLegato on 24/08/2019 - 22:58
          +2

          You’re partially correct yet your understanding is fairly limited. Apologies if I’m wrong but you’re fairly junior with limited clinical experience, probably a 3rd year medical student? Just be careful about offering advice, chronic pain is a tough topic even for experienced clinicians.
          FYI MRI can be useful in presence of hard signs - a central Neuro deficit which would be picked up at an exam
          Basilar artery dissection presents with essentially a stroke
          OPs symptoms are way to generalised and vague to warrant targeted imaging
          Cheers

          • paraneoplastic on 25/08/2019 - 01:28

            @SteatoLegato: i was stating things in laymans terms.

            I'm PGY2 - on streamlined neurosurg pathway, not the most experienced but i have a decent amount of knowledge surrounding chronic pain and proportionality of pain vs. imaging findings which is a daily argument with patients in a public hospital with limited resources and an elective list as long as 12 months.

            Yes chronic pain is a multidemensional problem, and yet again i compel you to reread my answers and put forward where i gave any unsolicited advice. All i did was answer his questions in an generic manner.

            Well of course an MRI can be used in the presence of neuro signs… Can you tell me a part of a neuro exam which is objective? To my knowledge i am yet to find a neuro physical exam finding other than pupillary reflex which cannot be altered by the patient. (tone, power, reflexes, clonus, proprioception, vibration, temp, fine & firm touch, gait, cerebellar signs, cranial nerves (I, III, IV, V (+/- corneal refelx), VI, VII, VIII, IX, X (some), XI and XII, anal tone, perianal sensation, saddle anesthesia, head/wrist/foot drop etc can all be faked

            if you are going to be very semantical about everything, basilar stroke will clasically result in (depending on C level of dissection) lat. medullary syn., rostral brianstem infarction, sup. cerebellar a. infarct etc etc. These can be distinguished well from the coloquial MCA/ACA thrombotic stroke via vs. trauma or not, vs. HT or not, vs. vasc. malformation or not etc. however they tend to have a higher incidence of hallucinations, somnolence oculomotor/visual defects etc and non-motor signs - hence they could on a neuro exam appear 'normal - albeit with some niche signs

            I agree with you OP seems to be having a somatisation reaction.

            The symptoms described by OP don't correlate with one another, 'under rib pain' is T8/T9 - not lumbar, head ache could be due to a multitude of things, spine not right is again somatic, OP describes as having siatic pain though from what i could tell has never had it before (so couldn't know how it actually felt - likely dr. google). So no i wouldn't scan OP. Depending on OPs age, pain on side of hip sounds like arthritis (again need a proper hx to determine).

            • 100000000A0000000001 on 25/08/2019 - 06:48

              @paraneoplastic: I have uploaded an image to my first post if anything helps??

              My headache is gone(i had 2 strong very ultra sharp short bursts but none since thankfully)

              Under the ribs towards to back side while clutching motion with left leg kind of motion left that area in pain few times but now that one and inside the left hipside is getting better whereas the RED (A and B) ones in the image area almost the same.

              Sciatica pain is right on spot.

              BTW, before all of this adjustment(!) i didn't have any of these. They ALL appeared after the procedure. Red ones are the MOST annoying&painny currently…

              Thanks.

              (I'll also answer other post/s soon)

              • blergmonkeys on 25/08/2019 - 09:27
                +1

                @100000000A0000000001: Stop looking for advice online and get to a decent gp.

              • paraneoplastic on 25/08/2019 - 12:52

                @100000000A0000000001: I'll say this, pain is a very personal thing which no one can quantify accurately, yes it is likely to be psychosomatic (meaning mental fears appearing as physical symptoms), however i can't tell you that over the internet, your best bet is to go to a good competent GP who you trust and get advice from them.

            • eldudebrothers on 25/08/2019 - 10:51
              +1

              @paraneoplastic: I understand you are trying to help but trust me when I say please be careful from giving advice specific to his case on the internet, even if you are not offering any management. Also be very careful of using double speak on the internet, 'streamlined neurosurg pathway' and 'pgy2' can make the reader confused, just state you are a junior resident. Regardless, you sound very knowledgeable and I am impressed as pain is one of the hardest domains of medicine, even my senior registrars find chronic pain management extremely difficult.

              • paraneoplastic on 25/08/2019 - 12:37

                @eldudebrothers: Fair enough, i assumed @steatolegato was a doctor, hence the jargon

                • eldudebrothers on 25/08/2019 - 13:34
                  +2

                  @paraneoplastic: I know it doesn't mean much coming from someone you don't know, but taking in advice like the way you have is one of the best predictors of a good doctor. Good luck.

    • blergmonkeys on 25/08/2019 - 01:00

      Decent write up but just a correction, peripheral nerves do regenerate. Central do not. A prang of a peripheral nerve will cause neuralgia but will usually get better.

      • paraneoplastic on 25/08/2019 - 01:53

        again i was speaking in laymans terms.

        also a 'prang' could cause a neurapraxia, neurotmesis, axontmesis or neurlagia. Depending on if it's pure motor,sensory or mixed p nerve.

      • luffyex2010 on 25/08/2019 - 07:12

        Good Morning Dr blergmonkeys,

        Would you know if there is a fix for bulging discus without surgery?

        If yes could you point me to the right direction.

        Thanks

        • blergmonkeys on 25/08/2019 - 09:26
          +3

          The solutions we have for damage to the spinal cord are poor right now. If your pain is chronic, it will probably never 100% go away. Surgery may help, it may not. The best thing you can do is exercise (particularly core muscles) with regular paracetamol. I really shouldn’t give advice over the internet, your best bet is to find a good gp. A good gp does wonders for people with chronic issues.

          If your pain is acute (<3 months), it’s probably going to get better

          If you don’t have pain, just focus on being healthy

    • RJK on 26/08/2019 - 06:14

      However you are describing a radiculopathy and not a myopathy which indicates no motor nerves have been affected.

      I think you're confused on definitions here. A radiculopathy is a spinal nerve root compression, so of course it can affect both sensory and motor function.

      A myopathy is a problem with muscles caused by something other than motor nerve lesions.

      They are not considered medical practitioners, same way how beauty therapists function, if you sign the consent form there isn't much you can do.

      This is really bad advice. They're health professionals on a register, governed by relevant health laws, overseen by AHPRA and their professional ethics and behaviour outlined under a Code of Conduct.

      The general liability waiver doesn't remove the requirement to seek informed consent with each procedure, nor does it shield them from complaints of professional misconduct.

      Section 3.5 of the Chiropractor's Code of Conduct covers this:
      https://www.chiropracticboard.gov.au/Codes-guidelines/Code-o…

      Complaints about the professional conduct of Chiropractors can be made to the Chiropractic Board of Australia or to AHPRA.

      • paraneoplastic on 26/08/2019 - 08:01

        Yes you’re right, I meant sensory vs. motor myelopathy

        Op never signed a consent. I never mentioned anything about professional complaints.

        If someone signs a consent form, not under duress, of apt capacity and is informed about major risks and benefits, yes it does preclude from litigation. That’s the whole point.

        The amount of people that are triggered is just ridiculous, just calm down and stop fabricating arguments without basis and or from phrases taken out of context.

        • RJK on 26/08/2019 - 13:34
          +1

          You compared their practice to that of a beauty therapist, and suggested there was no recourse if a liability waiver was signed - when in fact chiropractors are governed by all sorts of laws and two professional bodies.

          As others here have suggested, the waiver doesn't protect chiropractors from liability for negligence or professional misconduct. Chiropractors have been successfully sued despite signed waivers when they persisted in treatments despite red flags. Besides, the waiver was very unlikely to even have mentioned dry needling at all in the first place; it's a red herring.

          In any case, a waiver like this isn't a carte blanche permission to do any procedure they want to a client. It would show that they've explained the risks of spinal manipulation and that the client has assumed some of the risk - but they can't assume all of the risk. As a health professional, the chiropractor is still accountable for applying professional judgement on when it's safe to use a particular technique - and no waiver is going to replace that accountability.

        • blergmonkeys on 29/08/2019 - 00:11

          Signing a consent form most certainly doesn’t preclude litigation.

  • lostn on 24/08/2019 - 17:29

    chiropracters are snake oil salesmen.

  • Ahbal on 24/08/2019 - 17:59
    +2
    1. Tell everyone you know a chiropractor is pseudoscience nonsense and to never go to one.
    2. I cant provide medical advice because I dont have a phd in that field. Anyone who doesnt have one shouldnt give advice. Go to your GP, or go to multiple.
    3. Never go to the GP that recommended the chiro. NEVER. No GP should ever recommend one.

    Sorry to hear about your experience OP. Hope you get it sorted.

    • 100000000A0000000001 on 25/08/2019 - 06:59

      1- Doing it with a serious effort now. I'm also thinking to start a campaign too.

      2- Just these lines you added are enough to support anyway (: Well do you want to hear a funny story? I listened the a GP's Medical(!) advice and here i am. lol. I agree on multiple GP talk and advice thou.

      3- Duly noted x 2

      Thanks a lot for your support.

  • Cluster on 24/08/2019 - 18:16

    I'm just surprised a GP (a doctor) recommended treatment by a chiropractor (not a doctor, but pretends to be one).

    Chiropractic: Quackery Hiding in Plain Sight
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NYG40oa7Eg

  • nodeahs on 24/08/2019 - 18:29

    User created… Wait a minute, it's not a throwaway. Ok. Rip DisabledUser17372842

    • 100000000A0000000001 on 25/08/2019 - 06:51

      Nope. One of the oldest follower/readers of the site behind the scene but opened acc a few years back ago.

  • leeroys_dad on 24/08/2019 - 19:18
    -1

    Wow all these haters on Chiro's, not everything is about muscle like what physios say. A good chiro know what they are doing and help the exo move a lot easier. They numerous times have sorted my back pain and stiff joints from extreme exercise that a physio just could not help with.

    • SteatoLegato on 24/08/2019 - 20:20
      +1

      Chiro is no better than a massage - placebo effect - but the side effects of chiro are pretty rare as well. If it works for you, good, but recommending it to others based on your opinion alone, I would not..

    • ThadtheChad on 26/08/2019 - 12:20

      A good chiro is a non-practicing Chiro.

      They numerous times have sorted my back pain and stiff joints from extreme exercise that a physio just could not help with.

      If their "manipulations" helped you out, a deep tissue massage would've done the same and would've cost substantially less and would not expose you to the dangers of spinal manipulation by practitioners of a known pseudoscience.

  • SteatoLegato on 24/08/2019 - 20:18
    -4

    Dude… you should definitely sue both the GP and the chiro. You have full support of OzB this you can not lose

    • 100000000A0000000001 on 25/08/2019 - 07:12

      I'll go ahead with Chiro and make a complaint about. I know at the end of the day he is a human being trying to his mojo but i believe it is for the better good to stop people getting injured thru his/her hands with Pseudoscience. I never mentioned in the topic that the GP was actually helpful in some cases. One bad mistake and one bad advice can make that GP a bad GP? IF it is Pseudoscience,yes…I'll stick with the 2nd GP for the moment being but i really want to go to first GP's face and say, Here i'm after this treatment and having tones of pain in the youknowwhere,now which clown is next?

  • stingy-oz on 24/08/2019 - 21:48

    Disclaimer -
    1. I do visit Chiro and has been very good, and still visit one.
    2. I had a back injury which I went to Chiro, that made it worse leading to a back surgery (L4/L5 and L5/S1)
    3. After surgery, I still do have pain; which after millions of visit to physio, GP i went back to a very well known chiro. After this Chiro, i never had pain and never had issues.

    In your case, this chiro had many red flags. For a start, Chiro do not use "dry needling". Secondly, responsible chiro will at least want to see an XRay and if you have MRI they'd want to see too. If a Chiro just asks some question and start randomly cracking - get out.

    From my experience, I'd go back to GP and request for X-Ray, MRI and a referral for specialist. You'll need it, then you get an appointment. Most neurosurgeon would only go for surgery as a last resort.

    Good luck

  • sa-ozzie on 24/08/2019 - 21:59

    OP post is very suspicious…Somethings rotten in the state of Denmark

    • 100000000A0000000001 on 25/08/2019 - 06:06

      If you can write your suspicious findings maybe i can enlighten you rather than directly aiming post after post to try to open a worm hole which does not exist??

  • mattyman on 25/08/2019 - 03:04

    Personal anecdote here.

    I had a trapped nerve in my shoulder a few years ago. I couldn't put my arm anywhere without it aching. I went to a chiro and they made me have back xrays before they would do anything. During the first session had I immediate relief, the pain went away instantly. I was asked to come back to a follow up session, but after that one, I felt queasy and never returned.

    I found it surprising that OP wasn't asked to get an xray in the first place. Also … personal experience for me is that Chiro's are probably ok for some things, but not others. Back pain is probably better treated with exercises from a physio to strengthen your core and other muscles that support the spine (I realise that this can be super difficult to do when you already have back pain).

  • solidussnake on 25/08/2019 - 08:26

    Yeah I used to go and he would crack my neck felt good at the time but would get strong headaches in the afternoon almost every time it's a complete waste of money, I would prefer physio or a decent massage

  • DoctorIcarus on 25/08/2019 - 11:24
    -1

    Just my 2c here.

    To my esteemed colleagues and fellow healthcare practitioners out there. I can see that everyone is trying to help and provide the best advice.

    However, we may be taking out hubris a bit too far…

    I guess what OP is looking at is some form of relief and the lack of one is driving what we have seen above.

    Evidenced based or not, I guess some "treatments" work for other and others don't. I presume, to the ire of some if not many patients would choose non evidenced based treatments to a claimed benefit. This advocacy may extend to practitioners too. I would hedge my bets that many of us have seen a patient that has tired everything, seen many doctors and now is sitting in your consult room hoping for a miraculous solution. For some of us the god complex kicks in and for others, it's how to get them out asap. The question is, is how do we meet a patient's expectation when most evidence based approaches have failed?

    I for one don't have an answer. Maybe some of us here do. Even when their expections are optimally managed, people would still walk out feeling disappointed as their problem is not "fixed". Then we would be OP's doctor 3/4/5/6/7 of doctors who have provided rubbish advice.

    I would say that we wouldn't know what transpired in OP's consultations to determine what advice was truly given so we just have to take what what OP tells us. Perhaps the best approach is time and see what happens.

    Anyway, good luck OP. Hope you get better soon.

  • DrewQ on 25/08/2019 - 11:32
    +2

    For the nerds out there - this is my favourite scientific paper on acute low back pain management.

    http://www.pain-ed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Osullivan-…

    I am a physio, and the paper is written by two physios. I've never been to a chiro, don't intend to, and would generally not recommend it. So there is my bias out of the way.

    In summary, imagining is probably not indicated for the vast majority of low back pain, and has the potential to increase distress and disability due to "pathologising" a non-specific issue. Education, reassurance and keeping active is the most important thing in the acute stage. Manual therapies (Dry needling, massage, manipulations, etc) are unlikely to make a significant difference.

    My advice to OP - go back to your GP so they are aware and hopefully change their practice. If pain is limiting you from moving freely, maybe seek a short course of analgesia. Try a massage if you think that will help - but don't assume that it has to be from a specific health professional to be therapeutic. And the end of the day, massage is massage. If you do want to go back to a health professional other than a GP, I would obviously favour physiotherapy over some of the other professions - but there are a lot of physios out there that are using that same hands-on approaches that chiros, osteos, etc use. It is the professional, not the profession, that is most important.

  • Dack Smith on 25/08/2019 - 11:34

    Chiropractor are a scientific discipline registered under AHPRA and approved by the Commonwealth Government.

    This shows it is evidenced based and proven, our government would not approve something that would harm our people.

    Government regulations are to enhance our wellbeing

    .

    • eldudebrothers on 25/08/2019 - 12:16

      you forgot the /s

    • DrewQ on 25/08/2019 - 20:32
      +3

      The role of AHPRA is to oversee the national boards of a variety of health professions in order to protect the public and set standards. It is not an organization that ensured evidence-based practice.

      It is the role of the scientific community to determine if treatments are evidence-based. A health professional can perform a completely ineffective, non-scientific, disproved to be effective, intervention and still be registered by AHPRA. History is littered with treatments being phased out due to a lack of evidence, not by board regulations.

      I think a better bar to set for government support would be to ask if the government is prepared to pay for the treatment in their own hospitals. To my knowledge, there are no public hospitals that employ chiropractors or Chinese Medicine Practitioner (also AHPRA registered). They also don't pay for a number of medical/surgical interventions that aren't evidence-based.

  • mondari on 25/08/2019 - 15:29
    -2

    I'm a a chiro, Chinese doctor and a medical specialist.

    Everyone wants to think they know, everyone wants to put in what they think is right. Anyone who bad mouths a professional isn't worth seeing.

    You need level headed professional that can explain what is going on after a proper history, exam and appropriate investigations.

    You were never going to get a professional opinion here. Anyone who knows would never post here. You are looking in the wrong place. If you follow this advice you have no one to blame but yourself.

    • paraneoplastic on 25/08/2019 - 15:36
      +1

      out of interest, what speciality are you in ?

      • kasp on 26/08/2019 - 10:37
        +1

        Snake oil j/k j/k

    • ThadtheChad on 26/08/2019 - 12:23
      +2

      I'm a a chiro, Chinese doctor and a medical specialist.

      You may be the first two, but definitely not the last one.

  • Name on 25/08/2019 - 18:08

    Get the MRI. Only way to see what is going on. When I injured my back I had an X-ray. Didn't show up anything so GP referred me to chiro. Didn't work after a few weeks, was getting worse.

    Went back to same GP (it's good to keep going back to the same one so that they can see things improving /worsening). They then referred me for an MRI which showed a ruptured disc that is putting pressure on a nerve (didn't show up on xray). Then GP referred me to a phsyio and the entire rehab plan changed.

    So unless they know what they are treating it's no good treating anything. Could make it worse.

  • [Deactivated] on 26/08/2019 - 04:52
    -1

    I have a lower back injury and back pain .
    I have had dry needling many times …

    However

    -I discovered later that the physio only needs about 1 day course of training before they can do try needling. Yes, I know they have their physio training, but still, 1 day course and you can start poking needles around in someone at high risk (if mistakes are made) . Surely we need change in legislation here to ensure this sort of thing happens less.

    My 1st dry needling, felt for a few days (maybe a week) afterwards, felt as if I was walking with a knife just sitting there stuck in me constantly with every movement .
    Anyway, a tried with the head physio there, and when he does the dry needling, it has given amazing results. It is our 'go to' procedure, which loosens things up when my muscles in back are spasming and are extremely tight.

    What I found is really important, is to give feedback straight away if they have stuck it in and it feels really bad (whereas the needles in the right spot, will feel relatively pain free, but should feel like they are like de-tenseing the muscles that are tight) . The head physio I used to see who is incredibly good at what he does, he did still put them in the wrong spot a few times, but he was on top of it and had them straight out if they were causing me great pain. He would just take that 1 out, and adjust it.
    The dry needle in wrong spot, can be observed (with my back injury anyway) , by noticing the tense muscle spasming more instead of the spasms decreasing.

    I feel your Chiro maybe should have been checking you more to ensure needles were in the right spot.
    My physio, he comes back after the needles are in for a while, and he explained to me he looks closely and carefully for the reaction of the needles sticking out (and the flesh they're attached to of course). The way the dry needles sit in you, they can tell if the muscle has become less tense. I guess the needles stick right out when first in, then after a while when they do their thing, they are more kind of drooping towards the sides because the muscle is now relaxed .
    The head physio who used to dry needle me, he was the kind of professional that does like 3 times the required credits each year for 'professional training points or whatever they call the train they have to do each year to stay registered. I would not be happy with being the first Guinea pig, of someone who just finished their 1 day course. Even if they do have a background in physio or Chiro, when it comes to something like your back, can never be too careful and picky about having only the best available working on you (at a reasonable price still).
    One way to find the better physio amongst a large practice, is ask who has the longest wait list. Probably will have to wait a week or 2, but they have a 2 week wait, and the guy who just started there can see you the next day, I know who I would trust my health more with. Should work with finding a great Chiro if you're not sure where to start.
    Be wary of any GP's trying to push you into referrals for additional treatments (especially which are in-house) . I cannot go to GP up the road for my pain meds, because he keeps pushing so hard on his sales pitch for extra things I don't want or need (but which the bussiness can charge to Medicare, and he probably gets some kickback) . The vibe of my last couple of appointments there, was that he was so annoyed with me not booking additional treatments, it felt like he was basically telling me, don't come back until you also get 'x treatment' , because you said you would last time and you didn't. I hope your Chiro referral wasn't that sort of situation.
    I have one great, honest GP, and he seems to negotiate deals with places sends patients to, deals to look after his patients on limited income or give his patients a discount there. I thought that is a nice and ethical way of kind of getting something from the physio or whatever in return for referring patients (which seems endemic), but rather than my GP getting something for himself, his patients might all get bulk billed and charged at a cheaper rate for the their physio etc.

  • RJK on 26/08/2019 - 06:44

    If you have full range of motion in the spine then you're unlikely to have had anything too serious occur. Non-specific symptoms like this sound more like you're a bit centrally sensitised. Go get assessed by someone competent.

    My assumption is that the chiropractor stirred up some chemical irritation and made you feel violated. Add to that a high degree of distress and you're now in a lot of pain. You may be able to turn that pain down with some form of relaxation.

    I would see a new GP and get a physio referral. A good physio can screen you for anything serious, and can give you assurance and guided return to activity.

  • grr1701 on 26/08/2019 - 08:32

    I think that if a GP “refers” you to a Chiropractor, the GP can be held responsible for any injury incurred. They are only supposed to refer you to MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, not witch doctors!

  • hts on 26/08/2019 - 09:37

    Find a new GP. If your GP advises chiropractic care, run away. Go see a remedial massage/sports injury therapist instead.

  • kasp on 26/08/2019 - 10:30

    A good Physio will treat the issue as well as give you ways of strengthening/healing the muscles to prevent the issue from occurring again.

    Book one now, they are the real deal with this stuff.

  • Dack Smith on 26/08/2019 - 10:33

    Chiropracta will set your body free.

  • cameldownunder on 26/08/2019 - 11:46

    I personally would start to lose those 30Kgs that you put on. Symptoms might go away by themselves.

  • trapper on 26/08/2019 - 12:02

    which started after gaining 30 extra kgs(core of the problem).

    Once you get over this immediate issue, make this your priority. Gotta get your weight under control or your health is going to be a downward spiral for the rest of your life.

  • poochi on 26/08/2019 - 12:17
    +4

    What kind of GP would refer to a chiro instead of a physio?

    • CalmLemons on 26/08/2019 - 22:40

      The kind of GP that OP would visit. I do not know any GP in their right mind who would recommend a chiro.

  • 1jwoz on 26/08/2019 - 13:40

    How about taking responsibility for your own actions and lose the 30kg you put on.

    • barozgain on 26/08/2019 - 13:45

      Victim blaming much?

      OP losing weight has no correlation with the chiropractor being unethical and not professional

  • Needles on 26/08/2019 - 14:47

    Dry needling is hopeless，why you don't try Acupuncture.

  • sillyguy on 26/08/2019 - 18:26

    All the symptoms indicate you got slipped discs.

    How do I know? I got them too and have endured all the pains u described.

    Do a MRI just to make sure.

  • CalmLemons on 26/08/2019 - 22:50

    Grammarly.

  • lonewolf on 07/09/2019 - 09:29

    Mac Uni tried to stopped their Chiro course and did for a while but then had to start it up again due to some lobbying and since then have been trying to sell it off but no other uni wants to touch it. The medical faculty dont want to be associated with Chiro as basically its snake oil in their eyes.

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