I want to go for second hand 50-60K done may be 2017-2018 model.
Nissan QASHQAI have pretty decent features.
I drive around 80-90 kms per day max.
had been a sedan user, need SUV for family.
need advise for OZbargainers
Need to be value of money and economical.
@Ronthecrypto: 4-6 months, less for GX/GXL, more for Cruiser
Well that depends on who you talk to. Reassurance of a 5/7/10yr warranty, 5yrs capped price servicing ($1050 over the next 5 years), fuel economy of 4.7-4.8L/100km, more safety features than anything in the vintage you're looking at. No need to spend money on tyres/brakes etc over the next few years, unlike a car with 50-70,000kms. Price is drive away including stamp duty, and 12 months registration.
@spackbace: having own a Rav4 hybrid myself
i can confirm service is capped at $210 per year, which if done at dealers you get a 2 year boost to warranty (5+2) 7 year total
battery has 5+5 making it total 10 year warranty
i spent 6 months looking for a used CX-5 in the end i got a brand new Rav4 because me and my wife fell in love with it.
cx-5 has really small back seats and tiny boot, its very under powered on the 2L and 2.5L engines. The turbo engine is punchy but drinks alot of fuel
which if done at dealers you get a 2 year boost to warranty (5+2) 7 year total
7 years only on the engine and drive-train, not the whole car. Also you don't need to service at the dealer, you just need to use genuine parts during your servicing
@Ronthecrypto: Are you a certified mechanic? Only then will you get the 7yr warranty. Also the hybrid battery needs a yearly check (as part of your service) to get the 10yr warranty on it.
And at $210 each for the first 5yrs, you might find the cost vs time to be pretty comparable
@spackbace: I understand what you are saying.
oil and filter change doesn't require any special skills. had been doing it to my Holden commodore for last 7 years.
I am not up for a brand new car anyway.
@Ronthecrypto: It doesn't but spaceback was trying to say that the extra 2 years warranty requires the car to be serviced by a certified mechanic + using genuine parts. Plus they need to do yearly check on the battery. So when you do get one, better just do it at the dealer ($210 each is cheap)
@vince088: Which model did you go for?
I've been looking at getting the Rav4 hybrid and the wait time is 6 months for GXL, more for the Cruiser…
It would be nice to have the Cruiser but I just can't wait that long for it. GXL will have to do.
@Conezz: Wanted cruiser but couldnt wait because if u wait u might aswell get a 2020 model right?
In the end we got the GXL im still happy with the purchase as i have 2 growing boys in my family
Oh and i got the last crystal white pearl in stock so i took delivery right away
Mitsubishi outlander.
why the negs?
Get an Xtrail. A bit bigger than your average SUV and it'll take sometime to adjust but you'll thank me later for the extra space.
How about the glc 63 amg?
Westpac?
Too low return for them, they prefer BMW.
Tucson
I rented a qashqai for a week a few months ago. Hated it. Suspension rough as guts, terrible highway fuel consumption. Setting up the Bluetooth made me want to smash it with a brick.
Yeh I've driven one myself. Did not like the drive nor the interior.
New Kia seltos coming soon reasonable price and good technology!!
Now I’m driving Hyundai Kona and they are very much similar but
Seltos is bigger and practical!
Beware the new one is a "Tata" in disguise fully made in India.
Hasn’t Kia invested into India on its own, ie not related to Tata at all?
investing is one thing, building another. I sat in almost new Toyotas built for India. Everything is mega cheap, speedo in centre, seatbelts falling apart cheapest plastic just popping off everywhere!
Highly recommend a fully loaded VW r Tiguan. Fun to drive and comfortable.
Obligatory VW issues rant.
Plastic water pumps
DSG
Electrical gremlins
Have you looked at the Urus?
Identifiable as an authentic Lamborghini with its unmistakable DNA, Urus is at the same time a groundbreaking car: the extreme proportions, the pure Lamborghini design and the outstanding performance make it absolutely unique.
There is an auction coming up where they sell confiscated luxy cars from African dictators. Up to you!
Where's the Subaru Forester? I've voted the CX5 in its absence.
Sportage owner here, I would have voted Forester as well.
New RAV4 wasn't available during our time of purchase (early this year). We are a family of 3 and went with the Forester. Approaching 10,000K now and we are happy with it.
Also, good reference video about safety(Though, it doesn't include the new RAV4)
Owned both Kia and Mazda,
The Mazda felt it was made from felt and milk cartons and all tech never worked properly. Sold after 9 months as got tired of issues and with a bunch of things
Get a Kia, great car, solid build, everything just works.
Try and get the larger Sorrento. Can't beat the warranty.
Just bought a Jeep grand Cherokee and loving it.
Don't listen to all the bs get what you like and kids find most comfortable.
Mate of mine bought the keep as well as reckons had the best middle seat of all.
Get a jeep and pay 50k when the engine implodes like this young family….
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/manufacturing/stay-…
The engine didn't explode, they are simply too poorly informed, and believed the ridiculous bill the dealership gave them. Jeep have (for some unknown reason) paid for the car to be fixed, even though it's done nearly 200k km.
What happened was a relatively common issue with the cp4 injector pump, doesn't damage the engine itself, and the car is way out of warranty.
So even thought it was serviced on time, it is a common problem for this pump just to let lose and cause excessive damage? How can a jeep dealership misdiagnose 50k worth of damage? Do you have any evidence this was infact paid for to be fixed by jeep? The article was only written like a week ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IUMNw4LB2k
There's a reason for their reputation.
@Bammers: I accept jeeps are crap. Yes, cp4 pumps are problematic, they are a single piston design, rather than the 3 piston of the cp3. The piston is also free to turn, if it gets 90 degrees to the cam, it wears itself out and grenades. Has nothing to do with servicing, it's lubed by the fuel, so another reason it died is possibly misfuelling with petrol.
I know they misdiagnosed it as I work on this stuff, know the damage caused when a pump let's go, and know the price of the parts.
It's all over everywhere that jeep payed for it, even jeeps Facebook page, the owners still aren't happy lol, they also had an alternator fail at some point, who knew you would have failures in 180k KMs. Normally I'd say its because jeeps are crap, but in this instance, they have had an alternator fail, and a hpfp in 180k km, that's not that bad.
Feel free to do your own research rather than just telling me I'm wrong.
@brendanm: Righto mate, I linked a news article that you disagreed with then you provided nothing but personal opinion and hearsay.
Nothing to see here.
@Bammers: Personal opinion and hearsay? I'm a mechanic. Parts from the fuel pump cannot get past the less than 0.2mm sized holes on the injectors. It will kill the pump, the fuel filter and then possibly the injectors, and require the tank to be cleaned out.
180k km is quite a bit. There is only one reason that "young family" got a news story. They were the idiots who bought a jeep, even with the crap reputation, and then it actually lasted a fair while. They then got lied to by the dealer, when they should have gone to someone who actually knew what they were doing.
Here you go, seeing as google is obviously too hard -
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/manufacturing/jeep-…
https://injectedmotorsports.com/blogs/news/how-to-save-thous…
https://texags.com/forums/46/topics/3012229
https://www.clubtouareg.com/threads/possible-hp-fuel-pump-is…
Just bought a Jeep
You bought a Jeep ??@!?
Better get good mates with Albo! I reckon food is what they can make better in Italy.
Mazda's are fine if you want is smooth, there is a reason it tops the list. Subaru has quality Japanese equal torque on wheels just in case you learn how to drive.
Sins Volkswagen's Peter Schreyer got poached by the Koreans they actually make useful stuff. Schreyer retired but they already got his replacement too.
It amazes me how many times we see the same topics posted here.
This time yet another request to help choose an SUV.
Suggest OP reseach the many OB blogs for thier answer.
Another place to look is the "expert car reviews".
So my answer to OP is to use "google"
you are welcome to stay away and don't post if you don't like it. we have admins and mods who approve which post can be posted how many times.
I guess lazy people can just post here and let others do thier research.
The best way is to get off ones high horse and spend a day or two going around the car dealerships, test driving their short list of cars and seeing where they can get the best deal
thier
Some people are too lazy to use spellchecking. Twice.
And a note to OP
If you are going to post here and ask for peoples opinions you must accept all advice and all posts here in good spirit and not go around putting negative votes on the ones you dont like.
That just defeats the purpose of your request for advice.
I'm a shill for diesels, so I'm gonna say get a diesel of whichever vehicle you choose. Once you go diesel, it's hard to go back to a petrol.
In saying that, Mazda have freak engineers who have invented a best of both worlds engine that uses petrol but can behave like a diesel.
Look it up anyway, amazing stuff. Only came out recently. I'm not sure if it's been put into any SUV models yet.
Been a petrol man myself. Could you please share some more specific information on what makes you like diesels? (other than heavy towing).
They're still improving and working on these engines and their design.
It's a superior engine design, honestly. But Mazda's latest breakthrough is like the holy grail in terms of ICE.
Thanks mate, but between those links there's about 15 minutes of video that doesn't summarise anything specific for diesel motors by comparing them to a petrol motor.
It's a superior engine design, honestly.
Like, how? It would be helpful if you could provide your point of views for diesel that has made you a "shill for diesel" as you've put it. For instance, I'm a petrol person because:
PS: I know that diesel is far more suitable for towing due to their high torque delivery in relatively lower RPMs, but it's personally a moot point for me as I never tow anything and when that one time I have to tow something once every 4 years, I'll rent an ute. I appreciate that a diesel might suit someone who tows loads regularly.
You explicitly stated that "once you go diesel, it's hard to go back to petrol", and I'd like to know why that is. If you could summarise your points on diesel fro this perspective, that would be very helpful. I might even switch to one if there's really objective, compelling, list of reasons. Genuinely interested.
I would also make the argument that most people driving around in massive SUVs actually would be better off with a sedan or an estate, but that's another argument.
@CocaKoala: Quite simply, they're more efficient
(significantly) and more durable. Fuel can be made for them from a variety of sources.
The complexity side of things, well diesel wins there too. They are definitely more advanced now, but certainly less complex than petrol engines.
Total cost of ownership is just fine if you don't intend on upgrading every few years.
they're more efficient
OK, agreed on that point.
more durable. … The complexity side of things, well diesel wins there too.
Statements like these are highly debatable, especially when not backed by any kind of evidence.
Diesels are good for hard-core towing and heavy-duty use, but one cannot summarise that they're less complex (quite the opposite with the mandatory parts adding more complexity - turbo charger and other parts that are required due to the nature of diesel engines).
Most people driving around in diesels to drop their kids off at the skating ring are not going to tow anything, and they are certainly not doing any hard-core or heavy-duty driving that diesels are known for. If I were to estimate it conservatively, at least about 75% of the diesel land cruisers and range rovers driven by soccer moms will never even see a dirt road, let alone the hard-core off roading they're supposedly built for.
Total cost of ownership is just fine if you don't intend on upgrading every few years.
Diesels are more expensive to buy to begin with, certainly more expensive to maintain, and more expensive fill at the pump. But somehow they're not comparatively more expensive if owned for a very long time?
I'm going to ask one last time. Why could one not "go back to petrol" after driving a diesel? Especially given that diesels are less refined, slower, and more expensive in general?
@CocaKoala: Diesel fuel prices are more stable. If anything, petrol prices are more expensive, sometimes significantly.
How can you say they're only suited to heavy duty work when they're used in everything from small cars (in Europe with cvts and 9-10 speed transmissions) to generators?
More expensive to purchase also means, on the whole, you'll get more at resale unless you decide to drive it into the ground until it becomes uneconomical to repair one day.
Slower… In what use case scenario?
Commuting? Modernn diesels are just fine. They use less fuel, they're refined, they've been developed along with typical petrol engines.
Diesel fuel prices are more stable, if anything, petrol prices are more expensive, sometimes significantly.
Never the case for an ozbargainer who knows what they are doing, but I get your drift. :-)
How can you say they're only suited to heavy duty work when they're used in everything from small cars (in Europe with cvts and 9-10 speed transmissions)
Efficiency (one point that I agreed on).
and generators?
Generators are not hard-core, heavy-duty machines? LOL - I cannot deal with this level of denial. It's almost like you're making a point for me. It's also the same reason why other heavy-duty engines requiring massive tow capacity are almost always diesel (think of massive cargo ships), cruise liners, etc.
More expensive to purchase also means, on the whole, you'll get more at resale
Resale value depends more on other factors like the make of the vehicle and the demand for that particular model of the vehicle, but has nothing to do with diesel vs petrol.
The actual question still lingers though - why can one "not go back to a petrol after driving a diesel"?
@CocaKoala: There are many duty cycle types of diesel generators about, not just huge behemoths.
I guess you haven't owned any diesels in the last few decades.
The pros of diesel outweigh the cons.
All you're saying is that resale comes down to what someone is willing to pay, but all considered, generally the more you pay for a high specified vehicle and/or engined car, the more you will get at resale versus other lesser expensive models from the same period.
Hell, there are manufacturers of biodiesel here in Australia. Waste oil, crop oil etc. I've seen whole commercial fleets proudly proclaiming their whole fleet runs on biodiesel. You won't get the flexibility of fuel like a diesel either.
@CocaKoala: Get off that white powder, or perhaps dark sticky liquid. My diesel is a pleasure to find so much expensive stuff showing in the real mirror.
Mine is limited to tow 1.6 tons while the petrol snail can handle 1.9 tons trailing but why waste your precious time?
Had even motorbikes going back behind me. After 15kk my oil is still transparent and changed in 10 mins including the $15 filter let alone the oil is easy to find on half price special.
Get off that white powder, or perhaps dark sticky liquid
There's no need to try to be condescending or insulting. Just presenting your point without any of that will be much more productive. You don't come across as clever, or your statements don't come across as very important or correct by doing this. I know we're anonymous on the internet, but we're not animals so let's behave like we belong to a civilised society.
My diesel is a pleasure to find so much expensive stuff showing in the real mirror.
Had even motorbikes going back behind me.
I was very specific in stating that a petrol will be faster than a comparable diesel, which means you can't compare a 1.2 atmo suzuki alto engine with a V8 Landcruiser diesel.
The previous person here didn't answer any questions, but kept on rambling about how great their diesel engine was, and how they could never go back to petrol and I simply had to stop responding to them at one point. I hope you're not going to do the same if you're restarting this discussion. Let's be specific if we're to continue. So would yo please answer these questions:
What exactly are you comparing here? What is your very fast diesel engine car, and what is its price? I could pretty much assure you that a petrol engine that's comparable will out-accelerate yours. And what's that motorcycle that you were overtaking? Did the motorcyclist even know that you were racing them?
@CocaKoala: Sorry I did not want to cause insult just I was only having a chance of driving clumsy old diesels before. So I went from a 2.2l Subaru to a VN Commodore: Result the VN had power packed in a POS. Subi had safety and ability but also a thirst.
Bashed around in a 2l Camry. They are just about impossible to kill. Still old traditional stuff.
Going to a diesel Sportage it has a band of torque from 1700 rpm right to the red line. Sure the Mazda has a finer buzz but would you take it off road? Modern diesels have come a long way. France had an adoption rate of 65% in small passenger cars. So much that diesel prices soared even it is cheaper to make. Pollution issues are getting fixed now. I had some young lads who lost their license in a Mitsubishy Evo due to endless speeding. So a roundabout came up and one of them young Evo drivers tried to race the old grey hair guy in a el meat eater cheapo? He ended up in a stiff leg trying to punch a hole below the accelerator not that I condone street racing but the young lad in my car had a face as pale as it can get.
Sorry I did not want to cause insult
Thank you for your understanding, and I appreciate your contribution to this discussion. 👍
Going to a diesel Sportage it has a band of torque from 1700 rpm right to the red line.
Sportage is a great car, yes. However, I'll respectfully disagree with you if you felt that it will beat a petrol car with acceleration. Pit a brand new diesel sportage against a 12 year old 6 pot petrol camry, and it will show you.
Modern diesels have come a long way. France had an adoption rate of 65% in small passenger cars.
I did not contest that at all. However, I only pointed out that petrol engines are superior in several ways that make them more suitable for application in a car (as opposed to a lorry, or even an SUV that will tow loads). Diesel engines are seen in small cars only because they're relatively more efficient, but that efficiency comes at a cost (higher purchase price, higher fuel price, higher maintenance costs).
@CocaKoala: 6 pot Camry? Sportage needs 4 and yes one can feel it a bit. Look at the 6 pot Camry apart from huge rego cost after 90kk one supposed to pull the engine out just to get to the lower 3 plugs! Guess the sewing machine country dumps em before they have that much on the clock.
Look what you fine in a truck or coach? 6 inline that is all it is needed to move huge loads. Yep due to the low volatility oil burners need a blower. Maseratis come in diesel and look at the Bimmer palette.
Superior? Well since Nissan and Renault went into bed together the Patrol comes in petrol and just about gone from the scene. Put the Patrol on the list and count red numbers…
Once you go diesel, it's hard to go back to a petrol.
I have had diesel cars and I agree with you point however I wouldn't buy one.
The initial purchase is higher, the fuel costs more, you need AdBlue, there is more to service, more to fall, high pressure injectors, high pressure fuel pumps, DPFs to maintain and the pollution from them is worse to breathe in than petrol emissions.
The emissions from diesels are cancelled out by the fact they make slightly more of something versus a petrol engine, and petrol engines put out slightly more of another type of emission.
Then you factor fuel consumption, diesel wins that argument.
The fuel is usually comparable or cheaper, and more stable in price.
An industry (Australian Businesses) around DPF servicing and replacement has come about now also. AdBlue is something that can make diesels almost emission free.
I ordered a spare DPF with all sensors, new, from Europe on eBay, the exact one for my vehicle. Basically the factories that make them for vehicles all over the world. Less than 1k delivered.
I had a fuel jet in my DPF fail and need replacement, but that was done under warranty.
Diesel is going. It's disappearing from small cars due to other methods being more economical. Once you compare a hybrid small-medium car against diesel, there's no comparison. The hybrid will win out.
Toyota haven't altered the design of the diesel SUVs/utes because they're still working on the next step. It's a matter of when, not if, hybrid takes over from diesel. And then in turn, EV (or some other alternative energy) over hybrid.
@spackbace: Diesel won't be going anywhere, it'll still be common place in 50 years time.
Electric won't be commonplace for another 50 years.
Hybrids are actually selling less and less year on year. Quite significantly now in fact, all around the world.
Civic diesel beats Toyota Prius, and does it for much less $ too. There are many cars that don't make a hybrid look cost effective at all.
Hybrids are actually selling less and less year on year. Quite significantly now in fact, all around the world.
Jees what planet are you on? 😂 Toyota has had to partner with another battery manufacturer to keep up with demand. Hybrid % of sales in Australia keeps increasing with each VFACTS report.
Even just reading through your comments here it's clear that you're out of touch. A Corolla hybrid can be bought for under $30k and servicing will cost you under $900 for 5 years, while returning 4L/100km fuel economy on 91RON. Do the calcs on your diesel Civic…
Diesel is going. It's disappearing from small cars due to other methods being more economical. Once you compare a hybrid small-medium car against diesel, there's no comparison. The hybrid will win out.
I don't think diesels will disappear.
Hybrids still have potential issues like the catalytic converter not getting hot enough to work properly. This means the pollution is worse/higher than it should be compared to a non hybrid car.
We might see hybrid diesel engines one day.
@spackbace: LOL - you've hurt someone enough to downvote you for stating an observation that you've made as part of your profession.
I also do not understand the love for diesel (in small cars) at all. Like, WTF?!
It's expensive to buy, expensive to fill, expensive to keep on the road, complicated, slower, and unrefined. Why would ANYONE want it on a small car is way beyond me. I understand the need for it in vehicles like a large SUV that will tow stuff, but on a small car?! I'm glad it's going away from that segment.
The emissions from diesels are cancelled out by the fact they make slightly more of something versus a petrol engine, and petrol engines put out slightly more of another type of emission
That doesn't cancel out emissions.
Then you factor fuel consumption, diesel wins that argument.
Not when the DPF is blocked because it hasn't got hot enough to settle clean which happens on most city commuter cars.
The fuel is usually comparable or cheaper, and more stable in price.
You can buy petrol in Brisbane for 1.379 to 1.710, diesel is about 1.499 everywhere.
It doesn't matter if the price is stable if it costs more to buy.
An industry (Australian Businesses) around DPF servicing and replacement has come about now also.
I said it is another thing to maintain.
AdBlue is something that can make diesels almost emission free.
That's a lie.
AdBlue reduces nitrogen oxides only. That's all it does, it is a long way from emission free.
I ordered a spare DPF with all sensors. Less than 1k delivered
That's another cost of owning a diesel.
That's 700L of petrol which is at least 7,000 km of driving.
@spaceflight: https://www.dieselforum.org/about-clean-diesel/why-diesel-is…
The diesel nox emissions are something, sure, but so are particular emissions from petrol engines. On the whole these days, they are on par and the latest are better than petrol equivalents.
I ordered a DPF just like I order spare parts for any car that will/could possibly wear or fail sometime into the future, so it is on hand, instead of being at the mercy of a dealer or shop priced 300% supplied part markup.
@spaceflight: Meh, diesels are only good for 3 applications. Trucks, boats and weighing down dead bodies and they don't even do those first two very well.
@pegaxs: Have you driven a modern diesel?
Trucks, boats and weighing down dead bodies and they don't even do those first two very well.
Petrol trucks and boats?
That is a terrible idea.
Petrol trucks and boats?
Yeah, why not, seems like it would work, according to CocoKoala's post
He says petrols are faster, more refined, cheaper, easier, more cheaper to run and no turbo lag. I'm convinced.
He says petrols are faster, more refined, cheaper, easier, more cheaper to run
They also have less torque and use more fuel.
Both of those things are important factors for trucks and boats.
no turbo lag
That's easy when they don't have a turbo.
He says petrols are faster, more refined, cheaper, easier, more cheaper to run and no turbo lag. I'm convinced.
Yes, but they're not good for lugging a heavy load as they cannot generate torque at low revs like a diesel. This is why trucks, locomotives, cargo ships, etc. are all powered by diesel engines.
When acceleration becomes the primary problem to solve, there's nothing like a petrol engine. Think supercars, fast motorcycles, etc. This is why you don't see a petrol engine powered road-train or a diesel engine powered hypercar.
What I actually meant by "no turbo lag" is that modern diesels are very good that the turbo lag isn't all that noticeable compared to the older ones. Petrol engines don't necessarily need to be turbo charged (but diesels almost always need to be), and most of them are just naturally aspirated. We see turbos slapped on a petrol engine only to milk more performance out of them (think WRX, the recent BMW M cars, Golf R, etc.).
I owned a diesel SUV for 4 years from new, mainly on urban roads. While fuel saving was great, the benefit was offset by higher servicing cost and expensive DPF maintenance which I luckily avoided in time. Now i'm driving newer SUV with efficient petrol V6 sipping just slightly higher consumption rate.
What brand/model of SUV did you buy?
I think people should give the MG ZS small SUV a chance, considering it's a nice little 1 litre turbo unit with a Kia matching warranty.
the ZS, does not perform as well. Its rating is held back to 4 stars due to sub-par performance in our head-on crash test.”
@whooah1979: Are we a 5 stars or nothing community now?
It's still worth a go for a decent price vs its competitors.
I agree with you though. My MD Mondeo is highly regarded for safety in comparison.
Are we a 5 stars or nothing community now?
Did you purchase a vehicle knowing that it isn’t as safe as it could be?
@whooah1979: I accept for the most part that everything comes at a price. Whether I've ever bought an older secondhand car or demo model or otherwise. I wouldn't remove consideration for a 4 star vehicle, because it's dependant on price, features and warranty and if it's suitable for my use case.
Nissan and Ford should be out of the discussion by default.
Any of the others would do. There is also Subaru?
Any reasons why Nissan should be out?
Pretty happy with my X-trail bought 4 years ago.
How to choose the right SUV | Auto Expert John Cadogan | Australia
No
Please explain.
John Cadogan is a shill and an idiot.
@whooah1979: I refuse to even watch it. It's a known fact he has his own bias and suspected of being a paid sponsor of certain brands.
People treat him like what he says is gospel, yet he's only 1 reviewer in a sea of them. His opinion means as much as any of them, even less so if he's being paid
@spackbace: He also absolutely loathes car salesmen, which might explain your hatred for him (I'd not blame you though).
@CocaKoala: John is a car salesman.
Spack probably hates dealing with idiots who rock up expecting 20% off a new hybrid RAV4, just because John said that's what you should get off.
@whooah1979: More than likely, I've read enough of his shill "reviews" to know that I won't even waste my bandwidth in giving that idiot another view. The only thing he's an expert in, is tricking people into thinking he's an expert on cars.
All those who "refuse" think it is sh!t or whatever, in my opinion, is narrow-minded.
Reason for my thoughts is that a person should first read/listen/hear whatever others have to say, read as much as possible about the subject in question and form an opinion based after.
Immediately discrediting someone or something based on one's views or opinion without consideration is nothing more than stating … I don't care whatever you have to say, I know I'm right, I'm smarter than you, F off.
Based on this train of thought we recently started considering others, like … LGBTI, religion, women's equality, electric cars, environment, string theory, voting rights, etc etc etc.
It is very hard not to have an opinion straight away. We know better than everyone else, we have an opinion about everything and everyone.
Listen, consider, inform yourself and make an educated opinion based on your own thoughts and experience.
@spackbace: But, but but… John Cadogan says…
I used to like watching his old, on topic and factual videos (and I use that term very lightly), but now it's all just shit slinging matches with other youtubers, soft core porn footage, racism, bigotry and not much else.
John's channel has truly "jumped the shark."
@[Deactivated]: As said, I've read his stuff. He spruiks what he wants, and contradicts himself, saying a type of suspension is great in one car, but crap in another. Recommending a bt50, but never once mentioning the Ford ranger, which is basically identical.
It is nothing like the other things mentioned, he has a track history of talking absolute crap, and people who don't know any better believing him.
@brendanm: I'm not a fan of John Cadogan, quite the opposite.
However, sometimes, he does make some valid points, points that have nothing to do with his endorsement, personality or personal values. If nothing else, do some basic research based on expressed opinions and see if all or some apply.
@[Deactivated]: A broken clock is correct twice a day, doesn't mean I should pay any attention to it.
Jesus what a “w word”.
Didn’t make it 4mins into that video… tough love is one thing, he’s just, well a ”w word” regardless of his potentially informative advice
Watch, listen, read and form an opinion based on your own thoughts.
rav4 hybrid has 6 months waiting. plus spending on brand new car doesn't make any sense