Would You Buy a New 2020 Land Rover Discovery Sport?

MoonlapseVertigo on 23/10/2019 - 13:30
Last edited 26/10/2019 - 21:05

So we are in the market for a big 7 seater family car. Always owned Japanese cars (toyota, subaru) so I would like to try something else a little "nicer" in terms of street credibility (yeah yeah, insert the <your buying the badge> comment here).

I've heard an old wives tale that Land Rover reliability is absolutely terrible and you would be insane to buy one.

I've also read online forums where owners have had multiple Discovery Sport vehicles over many years and never had an issue. I'm struggling to really determine the overall experience of actual Land Rover (discovery sport's) owners. Where we live, i see HEAPS of them on the road. They are the soccer mum car of the hills of sydney. I don't see any broken down on the side of the road like i do Audi and BMWs.

I can't find an Australian based owners forum. All i can see is productreview.com.au with some terrible and some great reviews.

Currently tossing up between a 2020 Land Rover Discovery Sport SE Petrol (circa $66k optioned up) or staying comfortable with 7 years warranty Korean designed 2020 Hyundai Sante Fe Highlander (circa $66k STANDARD comes with everything you can imagine except for flying ability). I know what ur thinking, Land Rover vs Hyandai? Yeah i like to explore different ends of the spectrum.

Would you buy a Land Rover Discovery Sport? Or do you have any personal horror stories to share with me based on experience with the Land Rover brand recently??

Update: The VW Tiguan Allspace is the new contender following mentions below by you guys, thank you we will test drive and compare!

Edit: amazed and overwhelmed by the response from the ozbargain community. You guys are a fountain of information, thank you.

Thanks
Moonlapse

Poll Options

  • 84
    Buy the Land Rover and enjoy
  • 46
    Run to the hills
  • 173
    Buy the Hyundai
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Comments

        • bigbadboogieman on 27/10/2019 - 13:00

          Wow… After reading your comment I would probably go dunk my head in icy (Perrier) water the next time I feel like even looking at a LR/RR. Thanks

    • pegaxs on 24/10/2019 - 14:38
      +16

      The Rover is a beautiful vehicle.

      LOL. That's subjective.

      I own an (Rover) MG ZTT, built by BMW

      So, it's a diesel then?

      it is a beautiful car with minimal issues.

      Again, beautiful is subjective. And minimal issues. You don't drive it often then.

      Most your Rover buyers buy new, affording you full warranty.

      Because they need it.

      They sell on the vehicles once the warranty ends.

      For obvious reasons. They don't want things going wrong with it that they will have to pay for, which is inevitable.

      Look, people are just scared of prestige vehicles.

      For good reason. Resale for one. Service costs are another. Spare parts costs and availability are others, just to name a few.

      They prefer the safety of a Japanese or Korean cheap car which may last you only a few years.

      Japanese and Korean cars still outlast most european cars and are significantly cheaper to service, maintain and often cost about 1/2 the price of a comparable Euro car.

      The Rover is built to last. Treat it kind and it will treat you kind.

      If it was "built to last" why is there a need to "treat it kind"? And no. I would buy a Land Rover over a Rover. Hell, I would buy a Great Wall or a Mahindra over a Rover. If my only choice was a Rover or some old worn out 2nd hand runners, I would take the runners.

      I've owned Jaguars where once again the majority of "average" people would feel too scared to own.

      I worked for a Jaguar dealership. There is a reason why people are "scared" to own Jaguar cars, especially "out of warranty" Jags.

      Take the plunge into the prestige market.

      Please, we need more "My *insert_Euro_trashwagon_here* has an issue and the dealer doesn't care…" threads on here.

      You deserve it. You will feel great.

      Well, right up until it all starts to go pear shaped and the warranty ends.

      They are of cutting edge technology

      No they aren't. My 2019 Corolla probably has the same amount of tech in it as an average comparable Euro car.

      and you have your warranty safety net.

      Cause without it, your F'd in the A.

      Do it…. do it….do it

      Yes, please, do it. We need the comedy :D

    • CocaKoala on 25/10/2019 - 10:25
      +3

      Look, people are just scared of prestige vehicles.

      The term "prestige" is often used rather loosely. Cars that are under-engineered, unreliable, and garners a pathetic excuse for support from their manufacturers? Nothing prestigious here in my opinion. Yes, many of these vehicles look beautiful and drive quite well. However, I'd never touch most of so called "Luxury cars" coming out of Europe with a bargepole. The only exception might be a BMW, but that's only because their support is comparatively better. The Lexus is the only true Luxury car that I will personally consider.

      Most people driving around in those cars (mercedes, bmw, audi, jaaag, and other pos) who actually have the money to afford are incredibly smart that they always lease it. They'll get rid of it just before the warranty steps out and the pos starts kicking the bucket in an astonishing coincidence. Of course, there are those who can't afford it and take out car loans to buy these cars, or worse yet buy these trashcans used with 80,000KMs on the odo. Don't be that guy.

    • CocaKoala on 25/10/2019 - 10:30
      +1

      Take the plunge into the prestige market. You deserve it. You will feel great. They are of cutting edge technology, and you have your warranty safety net.

      No, no, no, no, and no.

  • saltypete on 24/10/2019 - 12:54
    +2

    I have been attracted by the Landrover for years, but never inhaled. The "old wives tales" I have seen are reliability surveys that place Landrover products pretty low, and mechanic friends that would sit and counsel me when I talked about it. In years past the extra advantage that owners of British brands had was that they became involved in product development. Of course this was rubbish, many owners eventually got their cars to work, but the product never developed. There seem to be some pretty reliable "prestige" brands around, but they hit the market at a bit more that $66k. The Discovery has a very good 4wd system that you are including in the price. Hopefully if you buy, you will have an enjoyable, trouble free ownership. There are other brands that offer more than " hopefully" to me, particularly if I travel remotely. Interested to know which way you go.

    • MoonlapseVertigo on 24/10/2019 - 15:03

      Will be sure to advise…thanks for the insight.

      Would your comment above be the same for say Merc, BMA, Audi (as in the "hit the market at a bit more that $66k")

  • goody on 24/10/2019 - 12:55
    +6

    Going back a decade or so I had 4 (new) RRovers - and they only had two leaks:

    1) Water in.
    2) Oil out.

    All of them. From day one.

    Beautiful cars when you didn't have a problem.
    I had a huge file with all of them and even invloved the factory in the UK directly at one stage.
    They may have changed and good luck to those who want to risl it.
    I've been driving Toyotas Nissans and Kias since and it really is another world as far as reliabilty, cost of parts/service and resale value.

    BTW that wife in the "old wives tale" is mine - would divorce me if I bought another Land Rover!

    • MoonlapseVertigo on 24/10/2019 - 15:04

      this ^^^ is exactly what I was after. Goodo, goody. Hats off and thanks for that

  • btech on 24/10/2019 - 13:27
    +8

    Since you're after the European feel, may I suggest you check out the Skoda Kodiaq? I've traditionally owned and generally prefer European cars (and at the risk of having to hand in my OZB membership, accept the potential cost of ownership difference.) I've driven the Hyundai, Kia, and have a friend with the Discovery Sport. For my money the Skoda is hands down better than all of those (but I accept that I am biased towards Euro feel which may be a factor.) I have friends who are on their 3rd Skoda and have not had a single significant issue. (FYI https://www.caradvice.com.au/664048/skoda-australian-custome…) For the record, my friend with the Disco loves his, but he probably likes it more for the badge than the car itself. Just my 2c.

    • MoonlapseVertigo on 24/10/2019 - 15:05
      +2

      interesting. I must admit i've seen the Skoda on the road and taken a double look as in "wow, that looks great, is that an Audi?" and its a Skoda. Will definately take a look

      • playswithfire on 28/10/2019 - 10:15

        Came here to suggest this too. I loved my Skoda Octavia so much that when the lease was up I got another one :)

    • Fobsessive on 25/10/2019 - 14:27
      +1

      Skoda Kodiaq actually looks good

      From,
      a sedan enthusiast

      • BartholemewH on 27/10/2019 - 23:43

        I drove the Kodiaq but ended up with the Superb 206 4x4 sedan. Kodiaq does suit the OP's 7 seat requirement and has similar fit and finish though.

        From,
        Another sedan enthusiast.

  • happirt on 25/10/2019 - 08:29
    +1

    any suv labeled as "sports" is just wrong imho

    what part of land rover do you think has street cred? its a "family suv"….

    • bmerigan on 25/10/2019 - 22:15

      Range Rover Sport… supercharged V8. Better handling and performance than a Mitsubishi Lancer in a Wheels magazine comparison a number of years ago.

      • happirt on 26/10/2019 - 08:25
        +1

        if you must compare yourself with mitsubishi lancer to look good, there is something wrong.

        • bmerigan on 27/10/2019 - 21:38

          Point is it beat a car in a slalom. And beats an XR6 to 100 km/h. That's sporty.

      • brendanm on 27/10/2019 - 11:09

        Wow, lancer is a high bar to surpass to be sure. One a $15k econobox, one a $150k supercharged V8.

    • zeomega on 25/10/2019 - 23:43
      -1

      Nurburgring times. Not all SUVs are made equal.

      7:59.74 Porsche Cayenne Turbo S (958.2)
      8:14 Range Rover Sport SVR (2015)
      8:15 BMW 1 Series M Coupé (E82)
      8:15 Honda Civic Type R (FK
      8:16.15 Honda NSX (NA1)
      8:16.90 Renault Mégane RS R26.R
      8:17 Porsche Cayman S (987, 2009)
      8:18 BMW M135i (F20, 2012)
      8:18 Lexus IS-F
      8:18 Porsche Boxster S (987, 2009)
      8:18 Ferrari 355
      8:19.47 Holden VF SS Redline U
      8:19.82 Subaru BRZ
      8:20 Chevrolet Camaro SS (2010)
      8:22 Nissan Skyline GT-R R3

      • pegaxs on 26/10/2019 - 08:53
        +3

        A Subaru BRZ, a 2 litre 4 cylinder, naturally aspirated rear wheel drive is faster than a Nissan GT-R, 6 cylinder turbo charged all wheel drive… don’t know where you got your list of “lap times” but something there is (fropanity) up.

        Edit: lol. It’s the R32 and was from a motoring publication from some time in the 90’s. A more recent test was conducted in 2013 and a more modern Nissan GT-R did a 7:08 lap.

        Your list is is way out of context and includes times over decades and using highly modified vehicles mixed in with near stock vehicles and comparing lap times set last year with lap times set over 20 years ago. Let’s try and compare apples with apples and not oranges. :)

        If anyone wants more “context” to these lap times, ie: when they were set, how it was times and what modifications were made to the vehicles, better to read here.

  • DiscoJango on 25/10/2019 - 08:32
    +1

    Euro cars are generally just as reliable as any other car… BUT:

    Since they have 3 x parts = 3 x the cost if/when a part fails. They are designed to drive at high speeds for long periods of time (Autobhan).

    Also the parts are so much more expensive then Jap cars, which is why when they start to get old and worn out, people just get rid of them. Whereas Jap cars you can fix them for very cheap.

    Also, servicing in general for any euro car is 3 to 4 x more expensive than Jap cars.

    • bmerigan on 25/10/2019 - 22:16
      +2

      Surely it's Australia that has the long distances? Europe is densely populated.

      • DiscoJango on 26/10/2019 - 09:38
        -1

        As i said, they are 'designed' to sit at 200kph + for long periods of time. Australian cars arent designed to that spec. They are designed however for rough terrain + hot temperatures. This is exactly why Golf performance models are detuned, because they are designed for a colder climate.

  • dealsucker on 25/10/2019 - 08:46
    +3

    Also look at the Mazda CX9. Its the best of both worlds, it drives well and has awesome high quality interiors along with all the equipment you need and more, reliability and looks. It damn near perfect. I would pick it over any equivalent Hyundai/Kia.

    It might be anecdotal but I was speaking to a Land Rover mechanic (dealership owns multiple brands and land rover is one of them, I dont drive a land rover) because I was also looking at one for road tripping and mild offroad (beach/sand driving) and he was of the opinion that is okay if you stick to the city. Any offroad and you may blow the diffs. Also, while I was at service there was one care which came in for an engine replacement and one where the rotary gear selector stopped working and it was replaced under warranty. Apparently JLR are quite okay when it comes to warranty repair.

  • aspirepranesh on 25/10/2019 - 09:36
    +3

    I have had the Discovery Sport for about 2 years now. Bought it with a 4 year warranty, it's on a lease.

    Touchwood, I have had no issues so far. I was a bit concerned too, I may consider not purchasing the car when the lease expires if I end up running into any issues over the next year.

    I work in the industry myself dealing with almost all the major manufacturers. The LandRover brand personally has improved in reliability over the last couple of years based on my discussions with the Dealers and industry staff that I work with. As for resale value, that's a different story.

    • CocaKoala on 25/10/2019 - 10:28
      +1

      ^^ This guy knows what he's doing.

      I have had the Discovery Sport for about 2 years now. Bought it with a 4 year warranty, it's on a lease.

      Of course, it is. :-) I suppose novated, so you could dump the thing before the thing takes its dump.

      • GG57 on 25/10/2019 - 10:52

        A lease might work, depending on the balloon payout value (compared to the resale value at that time).

        • CocaKoala on 25/10/2019 - 11:02

          You're absolutely right. But it's still not worth the walking on the edge nightmare for me. I'd much rather lease a Lexus (and consider paying out the balloon to buy it later) if I have to.

          There's also the fact that a lease might not suit everyone, as whether it's financially advantageous highly depends on ones personal financial situation.

    • OzzyOzbourne on 25/10/2019 - 12:29
      +2

      LR have improved in quality, but so has everyone else… They are still bottom of the pack, just check the JD power results

      • aspirepranesh on 25/10/2019 - 13:10
        +1

        I work with brands like Audi, MB as well as Ford, Toyota and hyundai and yes, everyone's improved their standards!

        I can only go by my personal experience of owning the vehicle and also working with the different brands.

        Because I work closely with the Dealerships and my company's profile, maybe I was over confident in trusting my money with Landrover :)

        I still have 2 more years of warranty left. Lets see how things go.

        On a side note, I would recommend OP to consider the Volvo XC40 in place of the Disc Sport. If I had the option then, I would have gone for the Volvo over the Disc Sport.

      • brendanm on 27/10/2019 - 11:11

        Jd power surveys are completely useless.

  • CocaKoala on 25/10/2019 - 11:05

    Please note that run to the hills actually indirectly still means "buy the Hyundai", so take from that what you will as you collate the votes for a decision.

  • happirt on 25/10/2019 - 12:00

    suv's are overrated. look into vans like alphard. it's a mini limo.

    • pegaxs on 25/10/2019 - 12:34
      +2

      Last time I was in Malaysia, there was a luxury van expo on, something I didn't even know existed, and holy shit, did it open my eyes to what it available out there. I had seen a few of what we get grey imported into Australia, but some of these were on a whole new level. They made 1st class air travel look like economy.

      • spackbace on 25/10/2019 - 14:44

        Check out the Granvia ;)

    • compugrid on 25/10/2019 - 13:06

      It actually makes sense. My friend has had sedan or hatch AUDI s-line, Subaru WRX or else for fun, but as a second family car he always chose Kia van for 15 years. He has Carnival atm, which is superb luxury. The only problem I see with it is it comes with no sunroof. Reliability, power, space for his large family are all superb.

    • rlay3 on 26/10/2019 - 12:21

      I agree with this. I checked out many 7 seaters and none fit my needs. Either too big size wise, or the interior was just poorly designed.

      Ended up importing a Voxy. It may not have the curves like the SUVs here, but so practical.

  • snajper on 25/10/2019 - 12:25
    +2

    Test drive CX9.

  • OzzyOzbourne on 25/10/2019 - 12:27
    +7

    Buy 2….one to drive whilst the other is being repaired!

  • Yorkshire-Man on 25/10/2019 - 13:22
    +4

    We had the top of the range discovery & I hated it. Within a week it had an oil leak, it drank like an alcoholic, was at the garage 3 times in the first 12months & the user interface on their entertainment system was the worst I had ever used.

    Sold it after 18m cause I hated it so much.

    The chuckles of Landrover fans & the garage telling me "this is the personality of owning a Landrover" was what got me the most… I'm like "no this is just shoddy build quality".

    We now own a CX9 which is one of the best cars we've ever had.

    Buy a CX9

  • malich on 25/10/2019 - 13:27
    +1

    I thought the Disco sport was more of a small/mid size SUV (it is the successor to the freelander). You'd struggle to comfortably jam 7 in there.

    If you use the 7 seats regularly, a Sorento or Cx9 should be on your shopping list. The cx9 in particular has an interior that would make Discovery drivers envious.

  • striker5950 on 25/10/2019 - 13:41
    +2

    short answer is HELL NO
    go for a mazda cx9 range topper, or go for a lexus rx

  • abb on 25/10/2019 - 14:31

    Currently tossing up between a 2020 Land Rover Discovery Sport SE Petrol (circa $66k optioned up) or staying comfortable with 7 years warranty Korean designed 2020 Hyundai Sante Fe Highlander (circa $66k STANDARD comes with everything you can imagine except for flying ability). I know what ur thinking, Land Rover vs Hyandai? Yeah i like to explore different ends of the spectrum

    Both cars are exactly the same price, that's not much of a spectrum.

    Typo?

  • redslert on 25/10/2019 - 15:09
    -1

    Honda Odyssey is a very good car.

  • porsche26c on 25/10/2019 - 15:23

    for 7 seat not huge suv look at
    VW tiguan - pretty nice and sits at around 60k
    cx-9 is very nice inside but doesnt really look like a 4wd
    and yes what you have already stated

  • CalmLemons on 25/10/2019 - 16:10
    +2

    i can't believe Hyundai's are so expensive now - $13000 Hyundai Excel anyone?

    You see more broken down bmw's and audis because they sell way more cars - and a lot of those are old ones broken down on the road.

    Mercedes service is next to none, no questions asked.

    I would go for a VW Tiguan.

    I wouldn't choose the hyundai, because, come on, hyundai? Might as well just get a Toyota.

    I see a lot of parents drive Range Rovers, very few Land Rovers - so not sure why.

    They're pretty good at making cars these days, but parent company culture has a lot to do with it. Can't beat German or Japanese engineering or quality control.

    • MoonlapseVertigo on 26/10/2019 - 21:07

      Impressed with the VW Tiguan Allspace Highline with R line for $66k…testing one tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion !!

      • badarz on 28/10/2019 - 11:18

        The Tiguan Allspace is basically a Skoda Kodiaq, you get more features, same parts and platform for less $.

  • ChickenTalon on 25/10/2019 - 16:11
    +1

    My back neighbours have one ~3years old. It was up on jacks in their driveway with coolant leaking out of it for a while, now I haven't seen it for a few weeks. Not a ringing endorsement.

    • MoonlapseVertigo on 26/10/2019 - 21:08

      Yeah this is the kind of horror story I was looking for, thank you

  • BartholemewH on 25/10/2019 - 16:15

    Only read the OP, but if you're going LR get the HSE minimum.

    • MoonlapseVertigo on 26/10/2019 - 21:08

      Interesting, why would this be?

      • brendanm on 27/10/2019 - 14:52

        Because the sport is the base model pov pack to get people to buy a land rover (not sure why land rover is even considered premium, that should be range rover). Like a b series Mercedes, X1 BMW etc. You are literally just buying a badge, and anyone that knows anything about cars laughs a bit inside when they see people buy this crap.

  • abuch47 on 25/10/2019 - 17:36
    -1

    keep your curent car and stop treating them as consumable items.

  • Commander Shepard on 25/10/2019 - 21:01
    -1

    I have heard the Rangerover/Landrovers with the ford engines are pretty reliabe engine wise.

    • [Deactivated] on 27/10/2019 - 01:43
      -1

      Ford hasn’t had anything to do with JLR in a decade.

      • Commander Shepard on 27/10/2019 - 02:10

        I thought the 2.0L Turbo Petrol Engines in both the Evoque and the Discovery Sport are Ford-supplied 2.0-liter EcoBoost turbo four-cylinder engines? And I have heard these are quite decent reliable motors. I think they only replaced them with the Ingenium recently.

    • brendanm on 27/10/2019 - 14:58

      They use engines produced in china by chery-landrover now. Much better, premium product

  • Munki on 25/10/2019 - 21:04
    +1

    You should absolutely do it man. It's an investment.

  • living4music on 25/10/2019 - 21:59

    Why not Volvo Xc90? Easily fits 7 average persons. Top techs.

  • tjquach1001 on 26/10/2019 - 00:44
    +2

    You can go for the new Volkswagen Tiguan Allspace 5+2 seats (foldable for extra boot space). With that budget, you can get a Tiguan Allspace fully optioned with sunroof and R-line package. We bought it last year and love every bit of it. Check out the vw owner’s forum for more info https://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/index.php

    • MoonlapseVertigo on 26/10/2019 - 21:10

      This has bought our attention to the hidden contender in the market. European look and feel and priced perfectly. The boss agrees and we will go see tomorrow. Definitely impressed and thank you for the suggestion!

  • Kapinny on 26/10/2019 - 06:53
    +3

    Get a lexus

    • MoonlapseVertigo on 26/10/2019 - 21:11

      RX brand new is $80k…don’t want used so I’m afraid it’s out of our budget. Absolutely stunning vehicle inside and out

  • michaelTito on 26/10/2019 - 09:57
    -4

    For what it worth, I'm currently driving a 2019 range rover velar.

    Reliability? I only had one issue in the last six months and it was fixed within the same week. It was issue with the speaker. But that's about it.

    Car been reliable since the speaker issue was fixed.

    Would I buy another land rover brand? Maybe? Most likely not.

    Would I recommend a land rover brand? If you have the money? Why not? Keep in mind a full option land rover is almost double the price of a full option lets say kia or Hyundai. Everything technology you want is extra with land rover.

    But hyuandi and kia is a very boring brands
    Some people in this forum will disagree with me but everyone entire to their own opnion

  • goody on 26/10/2019 - 11:36
    +4

    What is boring is waiting on the side of the highway for 7 hours waiting for a tilt tray to pick up my 4 yr old RR because the waring code was one the dealer had "never heard of". When I called the first thing they asked was "is there smoke coming out from under the passenger's seat".
    I won't bore anyone with the Christmas morning 7am in pouring rain and the wipers stopped in a 1 yr old RR. After the 2 hr wait the "roadside service" guy had to go home because there were no spanners in his truck.
    As I said this is all a few years ago so maybe things have changed.
    I'm not at that age where I don't have to - as the saying goes - spend money I can't afford, on things I don't need to impressing people I don't like.

    • MoonlapseVertigo on 26/10/2019 - 21:12

      ^^this. Can’t imagine anything worse than having car issues at such a time as Xmas day. Thanks for sharing

  • Mysterious Laptop on 26/10/2019 - 13:50
    +1

    Why anyone would consider a Hyundai SUV at the same price is beyond me… yes it might have features, but they're just not up to scratch. Only analogy I can think of is a phone, you might find the best Chinese phone with every feature, but it just doesn't have that quality feel a Samsung or Apple might have.

    My cousin purchased a diesel discovery sport brand new in 2015, and maintains it properly, absolutely and legitimately no problems at all. I'm around it a lot - interior can be a bit better but it's a great solid car.

    I think the key aspect is also getting it brand new once these cars change hands it can get dodgy.

    • Randolph Duke on 26/10/2019 - 20:56
      +2

      It’s not the 90’s or 00’s anymore, Hyundai’s are fairly well put together these days.

    • MoonlapseVertigo on 26/10/2019 - 21:13

      Kind of agree that stigma is still there from the Hyundai excel days. Hence my hesitation to spend $60k on a Hyundai. Checking out the VW Tiguan Allspace tomorrow

    • brendanm on 27/10/2019 - 15:01

      I take it the last Korean car you drove was a 1990s excel?

    • ShortyX on 27/10/2019 - 22:11
      +1

      Why anyone would consider a Hyundai SUV at the same price is beyond me… yes it might have features, but they're just not up to scratch.

      Most people disagree with you. Have you driven a recent Hyundai or Kia?

      And… https://www.businessinsider.com/most-reliable-car-brands-201…

  • hibijibis on 26/10/2019 - 16:34

    not sure whether i would consider the disco sport a large SUV. its similar in size to an x3/glc.
    The 3rd row is pretty average, and would struggle to fit adults.
    If you should the discovery, then that is a large car for sure.

  • xsacha on 26/10/2019 - 16:48
    -2

    If you need a euro 7 seat, why not try the Peugeot? It's cheaper, made in Rennes, France and has all the fancy features like heated seats, sunroof and massaging seats.

    • brendanm on 27/10/2019 - 15:01

      First time I've seen someone use " made in France" as a positive point for a car.

  • tryagain on 26/10/2019 - 21:05

    Just saw this and thought I should come back and post it here, have linked it straight to the start of his worst of 6 https://youtu.be/-skXw0I05Jg?t=475 not specifically the model you are looking at, although all the previous ones are make and model, this one he just paints the whole make with the same brush!

    • MoonlapseVertigo on 26/10/2019 - 21:18

      Good share. Didn’t realise Tata is now 50% owned by the Chinese company Chery. So effectively the RR is close to buying a Great Wall lol

      Might have saved myself from the pain of buying a lemon thank you

      • tryagain on 27/10/2019 - 15:59

        Seen as though you are already considering a Chinese car 😆 have a look at the Haval H9, just tell your wife it's a euro brand (no difference than the lies you have to tell yourself about Land Rover now) and not many people seem to know about them to know differently. 7 year unlimited km warranty, means you should be able to offload it in about 4-5 yrs time for a reasonable price.

        No experience with them other than one turning my head one day to see what it was (thought it actually looked good) and then looking it up.

  • DiscoJango on 26/10/2019 - 21:46

    Euro cars are only good for warranty period, dont get one if your looking for a long term car.

  • This Guy on 26/10/2019 - 23:22
    +2

    So we are in the market for a big 7 seater family car

    Big boot space - yes. Option for 7 seats…nice to have. Why not buy bigger and future proof the next 5 years? My kid will be older, doing sports et my nephews and neices will be older…so yes 7 seats would be perfect for a family car!

    This coming from an owner of a small SUV right now, its frustrating not having enough space

    7 seats is not just 7 seats.

    Kids under four are legally required to sit in seats attached with a top tether. Install two of these seats and the 3rd row is not accessible. Some SUV's have tethers for the third row, but even if you can jam a seat in there, their is no room for their legs.

    The third row option in most car just eats into valuable boot space. But cars with a 7 row option also have a silly high boot lip your wife is going to have to lift a pram up over. If your wife wants a Land Rover, she is going to want a huge pram just like all the other mothers. They are a nightmare to load with a new born when you have to lift them a meter off the ground.

    The KIA Carniival in platinum trim (or what ever they are calling it now) is your best bet. Second row tethers are fixed to the seat, so if you secure your child seats to the back of the chair a little high, you can still use the lift mechanism to get into the third row. You can also take out the middle seat in the second row if you are fine squeezing though a hold bigger than most SUV's have for normal third row access.

    The Carnival drive's nicer than most SUV's while the same overall size (better packaging), has most of the latest tech (I don't think it has street sign detection yet) and is far easier to drive (silly, big windows, 360 reversing camera and a nice driving position). I know millionaires who drive these over their exotic sports cars. They are that good. Oh, and the boot!

    But…. you won't need a 7 seater for a decade. Buying a car now for ten years down the track is a little silly, especially with all the R&D being implemented into new cars. Not just electric motors, but automation of driving is huge. Each year we get several new techs.

    If you want a Land Rover, buy the 2-3 year old one that is half the price of the new one, from the same dealer. There will be no difference after a month of driving. What you loose in warranty you save in asking price.

    If you want a seven seater, or even just space, buy a Carnival. It's not unusual for a one child family to drive one due to the space and ease of use.

    If you want something for the next five years, focus on a dedicated 5 seater SUV. SUV's with a 7 seat option make pram life hell due to bottom boot lip height.

    No I do not work for KIA or any of it's affiliates (OP's buying the Land Rover anyway).

    • [Deactivated] on 27/10/2019 - 21:33
      +1

      Kids under four are legally required to sit in seats attached with a top tether. Install two of these seats and the 3rd row is not accessible.

      It looks awkward but if you’re in a pinch it’s not that bad just to jump in via the boot to get into the third row, provided just one person is sitting there.

      Some of the colossal 7 seaters like Q7 coupled with very slimline seats can also pull it off

      • This Guy on 28/10/2019 - 22:29

        Cool. Thanks for the info! The second row on runners makes the third row sound potentially useful for booster seat if not using a rear facing baby capsule in the second. Still couldn't put a child seat in there as you wouldn't be able to do it up!

        Reading the spec sheet, the Q7 has electric fold third row. Will it sense a passenger and stop if accidentally engaged? And is the minimum recline angle of the second row small enough to allow a seat in there. I couldn't find this in the spec sheets (Oz and USA) and I have no intention of going on an Audi lot to find out!

        • [Deactivated] on 31/10/2019 - 21:31

          Agreed third row no place for a baby seat, and at least the Santa Fe has no tether point for one back there anyway.

          Not sure about electric fold in Q7, I just installed a couple seats in second row for a relative once.

          I wouldn’t be reclining the second row at all - firstly tethered baby seats have their own recline and need to be flush to the car seat, secondly you don’t want to be eating into the already limited third row space.

          • This Guy on 31/10/2019 - 21:36

            @[Deactivated]:

            I wouldn’t be reclining the second row at all - firstly tethered baby seats have their own recline

            I found the recline of some 0-4yr convertibles to be lacking in the rear facing mode. I know sales people who use reclining second rows as a minor selling point for parents expecting/with newborn's if they want to sell the thoughtfulness of a car.

  • sovereign01 on 26/10/2019 - 23:53
    +1

    +1 for the Skoda Kodiak

  • gccmelb on 27/10/2019 - 01:16

    Get a Merc Station wagon.

  • khomeini on 27/10/2019 - 08:11

    Thanks for the post - some interesting reading, especially from those OzB ppl who are mechanics or worked for car dealerships.

    My wife & I are in a very similar boat. We actually went to the landrover dealership yesterday to view a Range Rover Velar.

    Firstly, curious how you only got $66k for your Discovery Sport as I thought they were a lot higher? Options lists are crazy as I've found.

    Secondly, keep in mind that anything which is brand-spanking new will depreciate like anything. IE. Brand new Velar base (SE D300) = $120, vs demo of the same year = $95k
    So you can imagine how quickly your hard-earned will disappear - this is my conundrum… do I care about that extra 30k or will I always hear about how "I didn't get to choose what I wanted". Personally I can bear that 30k (if I can afford it).

    Thirdly, only three-year warranty. I'm really not happy with these but germans have the same issue. Seems to be the case for most "luxury" brands.

    Fourthly, if you're trying to have something wowzers…. think of these marques: Volvo XC90 or XC60 - around the same budget if you can pick up a demo, Skoda Kodiaq, Audi Q7, VW Tiguan… and lastly for Jap reliability, perhaps Lexus or Infiniti variants?

    I'm also a bit worried about reliability as I want this to last 5yrs - 3yrs will be okay as its under warranty but after that is where I'm concerned.

    All the best on your search.

  • Tiredman on 27/10/2019 - 14:20

    Santa Fe hands down for me. I'm looking at the same thing. We have a 3 series, just spent $5k on repairs this year.

    • El Grande on 28/10/2019 - 06:04

      How old is it? Was it related to plastics cracking in the engine bay?

  • Mandalorian on 27/10/2019 - 16:08
    +2

    Ask John Cadogan…lol..

  • Bid Sniper on 27/10/2019 - 20:18

    Join the Mosman elite on the road side the bonnet up.

    If you want used, go to Mosman Toyota used dealership lot. Seriously they usually have heaps there, use to daily drive through there, guess what they trade too…

  • netpenthe on 27/10/2019 - 20:19
    +1

    VW's are out for me after diesel scandal - they paid out owners in the US, still fighting in the courts in Australia

  • dono2 on 28/10/2019 - 06:44
    +1

    Check out the x7

  • Cheapsize on 28/10/2019 - 11:21
    +1

    No, and forget Euro, I'd go Mazda CX9 Azami. Cheaper Servicing and BMW clone interior.

    • dono2 on 28/10/2019 - 18:40

      Ibgot a well decked out x7 30d 5 years servicing for under 149k

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