Carsales warranty for cars with unreliable electrics or that power off while driving

TLDR version: crap Toyota Corolla hatch, awesome Peugeot hatch that powered off while driving, does carsales warranty cover this showstopper and has anyone else had significant or intermittent/unfixable problems with Peugeots

Non TLDR version:

Please bear with me as this post has a long backstory for context and apologies for any repetition; it is not my objective to turn this post into a rant.

I bought a second hand 2015 Toyota Corolla Ascent hatch a few years ago from a Toyota dealership and, because I previously owned a 2003 Peugeot 307 hatch I hate every aspect of the Corolla. To summarise key issues, the driver and passenger seats of the Corolla curve in on the inside so exacerbated my back and left shoulder pain, the peugeot felt like driving on clouds light and quick turning and quiet engine, and the aircon didnt need the engine on from memory only electrics turned on and if you set it to 18 degrees even on a 40 degree day the whole inside of the car is 18 degrees in 5 minutes, and I got 850km per fillup.. in contrast the corolla I get 450km max per same cost fillup and feel every pebble on the road with a noisy as hell rocky engine and needing the engine on to turn the aircon to maximum which is the only setting that gives any significant cold air makes it sound and feel like a tornado is hitting your face and doesn't even permeate enough cold air to back passengers so they cook.

I'd like to do a swap for the Corolla for a decent older Peugeot or perhaps some other car.

However, the Peugeot I owned had a showstopper problem that manifested itself about a month after I bought it for $2150 from some dude who used to own a used car dealership… on a 39 degree day whilst driving at 70km/hrs it completely powered off (engine/electric shutdown). Also, from memory the Revs indicator was always hovering at 10 (I think it was 10) even at idle and having driven cars before this I thought that was supposed to sit at 0 unless you are pushing the accelerator? I never had any issues powering it back on. That day, it powered off about 40 times and from that day forth for the next 2 odd years I lived a nightmare where it would both randomly and consistently power off while driving (some days it did it almost every day for a few months then I'd have a couple of months respite. It would do it typically at 70km/hr, descending from around 30km/hr or at idle. It never powered off when driving above 70km/hr.

Appart from this issue, the car had no other issues and was a pleasure to drive.

I had it serviced at a prestige motor mechanic and had repairs done that was very affordable on the face of it rather than taking it to Peugeot directly due to their prospective costs per hour and minimum diagnosis cost etc and because I only paid $2150 for it I was not wanting to fork out much money to try and make it the perfect driveable car, but the powering off of course never happened whilst it was in the possession of the mechanic and their Peugeot Planet system was showing funky results so several times I forked out $700 on their recommendation of 'we think it is this but cannot be sure' (from memory they couldn't really pinpoint if it was electrical or mechanical - one time they replaced the 4 spark plugs and the entire electrical coil housing, another time they replaced the alternator I think). Strangely it did stop the powering off each time and the car felt smoother but it only gave 1 month of respite before it started happening again.

Sooo, going back to my current goal to get another Peugeot but knowing there is a real risk it might be another lemon that is hard to diagnose and fix, my question is. Does anyone know 1) if any of the warranty tiers provided by Carsales (Basic, Standard or Comprehensive) would have suited/covered to the point of permanent rectification my Peugeot showstopper problem? They say they need to receive a quote in order to assess snd hopefully approve a claim, but in my case with the Peugeot, I'd have provided quotes each time but with recurrence of the same issue as they could never fix it 100% so might they also 2) have an exclusion for this which means after 1 chance to fix they might not have covered the subsequent attempts?
Also, question 3) has anyone else had a Peugeot with a showstopper or annoying problems that are hard to diagnose and/or remedy permanently?

Comments

  • +1

    Dunno why people are hating on the OP for getting a Peugeot so much. I have a mid 2000s Peugeot that is a short commute car for work. At $1,500 it was a bargain for a car that has a lot of features that I couldn't get for the price in other cars. Sure it has its issues (for me it is sluggish off the mark at the lights/low speeds and can occasionally stall when moving at low speed in peak hour). But I'll live with that for a car that is really comfortable to drive (high roof, big windscreen, leather seats, spacious for a 5 door hatch, working air-con, electric windows/mirrors etc.) and stop me putting a lot of wear on the main newer car.

    I reckon I'd be happy to put 2k of repairs into the thing if it lasted another 3 or 4 years at that price.

    • +1

      Sorry mate, it seems if anyone is seeing my point of view on this Post they will likely be autonegged. I'm surprised so many negs for some of my comments

    • Try cleaning the throttle body…take off air pipe and clean the butterfly inside with carbi cleaner spray…that fixed the stalling for me in a 2000s astra..cheap to try!

  • +1

    It's very obvious what's going on with the "450km per fill" claim. Toyota's have always had terribly inaccurate fuel gauges. I have an ZVW30 Prius, and when the fuel gauge is flashing empty, I still have 15 litres left in the tank, which is about 300km of driving (4.5l/100km). The Camry I had before was the same, 250km of range left when needle hit 'E'.

    Remember, find the capacity of the fuel tank in the drivers manual (50L for the 2015 Corolla), fill up, reset trip meter, drive till fuel gauge indicates empty, fill up again and record how many litres of fuel are added, then calculate actual fuel consumption in L/100km by dividing the litres it took to refill the tank by the kilometers travelled and multiply by 100.

    Guarantee your Corolla's fuel consumption is very similar to the Peugeot, if not better.

    • -1

      Thanks for the tips. I've zeroed the average fuel consumption for the first time. It was at 9.0L/100km. I'll probably buy a can of fuel and let the car run out. When the warning light has showed up the fuel gauge indicator is always smack bang on 0 so I assumed it would have 50km left at best. I didnt know 150km or more left was possible.

      • +1

        Yep I definitely wouldn't rely on the fuel consumption figure or 'distance remaining till empty' figure on the trip computer, they rely on an accurate fuel gauge to be accurate themselves.

        No need to let the car run out of fuel though - if, say, you put 35L of fuel in when the gauge says its empty, you always know you've got 15L left at 'empty' as you know the fuel tank capacity is 50L as per the drivers manual. Then use the fuel consumption formula (litres consumed/km travelled X 100). Use the result of that calculation to work out how far you can travel after you hit 'empty'. E.G if you work out your car consumes on average, say, 7L/100KM, then you've got roughly 200km left in the tank at 'empty' (15 litres left in tank / 7L/100km X 100 = 214KM)

        But anyway, if you don't like the Corolla, get a car you like, there's no point getting annoyed every time you need to drive somewhere. I personally wouldn't go for a Peugeot, but if you like them, get one! Maybe something a bit newer this time to reduce the chance of weird faults popping up again.

  • +4

    Entire of ozbargain bands together to tell OP thats peugeot's are unreliable rubbish.

    OP: I still want a peugeot, why dont you guys understand.

  • -1

    Sooo, Jeep Cherokee Limited 2014 to 2015 ish Turbo Diesel ranging between 40000km and 140000km. Reliability thoughts? They are going for between 20k and 25k. High rated reviews and fuel economy looks amazing

    • +5

      You went from wanting a Peugeot to now wanting a Jeep???

      Put it this way, I would own a Peugeot over a Jeep… and Peugeot’s are shit boxes…

    • Jeep?! 😂😂😂

    • +1

      At this stage i think OP is trolling us. The used Puegot sounded bad, but a used high kilometer american shitbox absolutely known for huge electrical issues. wow.

    • +2

      You should try to find a fuel injected Lada Niva.

      They were so unreliable, they ended up going back to carburettors, they had zero comfort features, communist made (iirc) and tyres and brakes that guaranteed not only a noisy ride, but zero stopping ability.

      I'd take one over a jeep in a heartbeat.

      • +1

        +1
        I met Peter Brock in…87? At Wallaceway Chatswood, just outside the main entrance doors. There were two Ladas parked there, a Niva and Samara.
        Brocky was flogging Ladas!

        • -1

          See? Even Brock would choose Lada over Jeep!

    • +1

      They are fantastic and supremely reliable, just like your peugeot, buy away op!

  • …I'm starting to wonder if this is a troll thread…

    anyway, nothing to contribute here, but good luck OP.

    Happy New Year everyone, don't get too worked up, there are more important things in life =) (and I'm here reading all this…)

    • I'd prefer not to own a car at all, almost all of them are a liability except for rare or old collectors editions that appreciate in value due to scarcity, but alas public transport isn't sufficient and I don't own a hover craft

  • If you're looking for a car with great fuel economy and a large boot, have a look at the Skoda Octavia's - my first one in 2015 was so good I got another when its lease was up in 2018. Here's one on Carsales that will have balance of manufacturer's 5 year warranty: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2017-skoda-octavia-…

    • Cheers, I actually quite like the shape of their sedan/hatch crossover which gives more than 500L boot space. Also most 2nd hand ones being advertised have rear air vents and leather seats which ticks major boxes for me. But they discontinued the Octavia a few years ago? This makes me hesitant to consider getting one as parts would become scarce and expensive?

  • My peugeot 308 has a similar issues, hard brake will stop engine. after apply liqimoly diesel purge, issue gone.
    Try to clean the engine with additive, wish you luck.

  • Have a 2003 Peugeot 2.0 petrol, so far no issues but when/if i do come across them i know it's going to cost an arm and a leg to fix… I also understand you need to take these pugs to specialist repair places. This older thread on WP suggests Spencer St Auto: https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2506577

    Actually in need of a second car, and will be looking at a Japanese brand for reliability and cost to maintain. As much as I'm tempted by Peugeot because of the price, it just seems far too risky, unless you're a mechanic that knows how to fix em.

    • Your 2.0 is a bit more gutsy than mine was but can you please let us know how many km u usually get off a full fillup and the minimum/maximum you have seen?

  • +1

    @Spackb "No longer is there a 'Toyota tax'."

    That's the joke for the new year.

    There is also a Lexus tax.

    • +1

      That's the joke for the new year.

      Go see what Mazda want for the new 2 then get back to me on that one

  • Can someone please explain the use of ‘showstopper’ in the OP.
    Is it a cultural reference from The Bachelor or something?
    Thanks.

    • It's an IT reference. When a system stops working/breaks

    • Wait, you watch The Bachelor?

  • I sat into be backseat of many types of SUVs yesterday and I could not fit three of me in the back seat, the biggest middle seat is 31cm wide and the left and right seats maxed at 51cm. I'm a slim male at about 53cm. I guess no SUV for me :(

    • So what car is going to be wider? Probably none. How often do you need 3 across the back and for what length of trip? Putting up with a bit of a squeeze for 20min across town a few times a year is hardly worth buying an American pickup for.

    • What "SUVs" did you sit in? Stupid small ones? As I told you before, small/medium SUVs are the same or smaller than similar hatch/wagons.

      • Used Nissan xtrail tl, nissan qashqai, honda crv, mitsubishi outlander and new and old kia sportage. Two child seats and an adult almost bursting in the middle

        • Two child seats and an adult are going to be a struggle in anything. Sis in law has an Amarok. Barely room for an adult between the kid seats, short trips only. .

          • @Euphemistic: The xtrail actually came in at 50cm one side, 25cm in the middle and 50cm other side. That is almost a 2 seater

        • +1

          So all small/medium cars. Why not get a ve Commodore wagon. Or an actual large SUV. Or a tarago/odyssey/grand carnival.

  • +1

    Unless you do 95% of your driving on the highway, i have never in my 20+ years of driving seen a Petrol car do 850km on a full tank. A diesel yes but not Petrol. Either you weren't resetting your trip on the odometer on fill up but that 450km per tank on your corolla is about right for most petrol cars. You'll be very disappointed if your expectations are that high of your next car. Mazda's new Skyactive-x may be able to reach those numbers in their yet to be released cars but good luck finding one.

    • Agree. They design the fuel tank to suit the engine size and therefore the range for a petrol car is most often around 600km. Any more range is a bit of a waste. Carting extra fuel, needing extra tank space for no real benefit.

    • +1

      People measuring their fuel economy "per tank" are funny. Petrol Prado will get well over 1000km on a fill up. Toyota Echo won't.

      • That does my head in. Or comparing their freeway drive in their other car to their commute through city traffic on their current car.

        The other is the whole l/100km way of measuring fuel.

        • The other is the whole l/100km way of measuring fuel.

          That's a bit too sensible for the OP.

          Just remember, Toyota automatically sucks, anything from Europe is automatically more exotic therefore better. Thread closed.

  • Ok. It has been a while since my previous comment but I didn't want to add anything until I thought it was solved which I think now it is.
    Firstly I'm sorry if your problem is already solved: I haven't bothered to read the whole thread. There were 2 other attempts that didn't work but last week they replaced the fuel temp sensor and it hasn't stopped since. It took a while to get the part because the whole country was sold out and we had to wait for them to arrive from some other country. Hope that helps.

    • Thanks for the update, good that worked for you. Similar to that resolved the issue for a lady in the UK who reported having the same issue and lots of diagnosis over more than a year, fuel pump or the sensor replaced and problem went away. I did mention the fuel pump and they indicated they checked it and saw no issue not sure about the sensor.
      I ended up buying a Rav4 cruiser. Excellent car, now just gotta work out how to get the rattling moonroof fixed :(

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