What Can I Do to Stop The Council of Owners from Abusing Their Power and Targeting People on Our Level?

I live on level 4 of my apartment and everyone living in my floor do not complain about each other. We live in harmony. Recently, the council of owners have been using the master fob to patrol my level to take photos of every tenants shoes that were left at the front of their own apartment doors. We've been doing it for 3 years and so do people who are actually living in level 4. We don't have problems with each other. It's the council of owners who have problems but when asked why they would complain about our shoes on our floor because they don't even live there, they keep playing dumb and say that the person who made the complaint (and issued the tenants in level 4 with breach of notices $57 fine) is coming from someone living in level 4. This is not true.

What can I do to stop the council of owners from abusing their power and targeting people on our level?

We were all living comfortably and in peace before they butt in. They don't live in our floor anyway. If they don't like it, then stop coming to our floor.

Strata manager is acting on their interests too.

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  • +154 votes

    Dude, just keep your shoes inside your apartment. It's not hard.

    • +10 votes

      Especially since you claimed in your inflammatory post they were precious and expensive …

      They don't live in our floor anyway. If they don't like it, then stop coming to our floor.

      They have a right to go to your floor if they want to, as a resident of the apartment building, just like you …

      You might not be trolling, but you sound like an immature, illogical neighbour if your previous post was anything to go by.

      • +9 votes

        Feel like I missed out on a doozy of a previous post. Several references to it from this thread but I can't find it! This is what happens when I'm too busy at work to check ozbargain religiously like I normally do :)

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          I just had a look at OP's profile, looks like it was taken down. A shame for the rest of us.

    • -14 votes

      OP isn't going to do that because shoes occupy space and space is precious for apartments therefore shoes outside is fine as you don't wear them inside only outside. If they stink they can stink the corridor or hallway stairs whatnot, less cleaning, less odour, more space, don't give a darn about it only council does. Neighbours agreed its fine.

      End of story

  • +87 votes

    shoes shouldnt be outside for two reasons.

    1. it's a common area, not for storage
    2. in the event of an evacuation, people could trip on your shoes.

    As far as the other question goes, join the body corporate, get a majority, and change the bylaws to allow shoes in corridors

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      What do you mean by join the body Corp

      If you own it your are part of it
      If you rent you can’t be part of it

      • +9 votes

        most people dont attend.

        • +1 vote

          Because it's fricken waste of time. Usually nothing gets done. All you do is pay pay pay

          • +10 votes

            @neonlight: So people need to get off their arses and make sure that something gets done. The number of people that moan about inaction but do absolutely nothing themselves is infuriating.

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            @neonlight:

            All you do is pay pay pay

            Body Corporate fees are payable regardless of you attendance to it's meetings.

            You're attendance may, however, give you some insight on what there for and perhaps some control of it.

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        Almost - there was a recent legislative change so in strata schemes where at least half of the lots are tenanted, the tenants can nominate a tenant representative to the strata committee. The tenant representative is entitled to:

        receive a copy of the agenda
        attend and speak at strata committee meetings. They can still be asked to leave the meeting if financial issues are discussed.

        The tenant representative does not have a vote and they cannot make up the quorum of a meeting.

        …. which is all well and good in theory but 1/2 the units being rented is a high bar, good luck co-ordinating that and with no vote the owners can just ignore you after you've had your say….

  • +19 votes

    Keep your shoes inside, it’s not your hallway to leave them in, no one wants a smelly hallway or a trip hazard

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      Are doormats allowed in WA?

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        would depend on the body corp

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          Ok. Thanks.

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            @whooah1979: I think door mat is ok , but could be a trip hazard

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              @unclesnake: I recently had a note from Strata shoved under my door requesting that I remove my doormat or face sanctions. NSW here.

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                @Drewbo: I assume its common property so maybe fair enough if someone tripped they may be sued.

                also sucks because most doors )if not all) open inwards so how do u you wipe your feet.

                solution : just wipe your feet on their carpet and demand it be cleaned when it gets filthy they have to comply with that request

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                  @unclesnake: Yeah, trip hazard they claim. My door opens to a small vestibule which provides access to only my apartment and one other. There's a separate (locked) door leading to the stairwell. I have since put an Ikea mat immediately inside my door to wipe my feet on. My neighbour got the same note - we just complied.

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                  @unclesnake:

                  solution : just wipe your feet on their carpet and demand it be cleaned when it gets filthy they have to comply with that request

                  Unless you're making a mess in your apartment, then the dirty carpet will be at the entrance to the building, not your apartment.

                  If there are no shoes inside the house, take them off before you go in, and drop them in a tub (or rack)

  • +16 votes

    You are breaking bylaws, it doesnt matter who makes a complaint or the complaint is fictional, you are lucky they warned you at all, in my building they would of paid someone to remove your shoes from the common area and dispose of them without notice, keeping any of your belongings in the common area is a big nono, they are hazards and can cause injury to others visiting the building which then the bodycorp can be held responsible for.

    Just cause you dont like something doesnt mean you are in the right about it.

  • +23 votes

    You assume it’s not someone on your floor complaining.

    They just don’t want to tell you they aren’t happy so they complain to the body corporate, and ask that they not be identified.

  • +1 vote

    When did (in NSW) strata complexes ever have the power to issue fines for a by-law breach? As far as I know, they can't and only the respective tribunal can. Sounds like a dodgy $57 fine if you are NSW - probably had the banking details of the OC member.

    https://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/housing-and-property/stra...

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      Click on the OP’s name and you will find they are in WA. Different rules..

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        So in W.A a member of the owners corporation can, legally?, issue a monetary fine (without going to a tribunal to order a fine)? wow, if this is correct, opens up a can of worms to corruption/bullying/scare tactics/favouritism/revenue raising and what not.

        • +2 votes

          It isn't a fine. They give a notice to pay. It may then be enforced by the SAT. That is if they bother to take it that far.

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            @whooah1979: Thanks, notice to pay in effect is the same as a fine? same same different words?

            If I was on the owners corporation and didn't like someone for whatever reasons … I'll just write them up a notice to pay and say you left dirt when you walked in the hallway, that's 50 bux thanks? Same person has a dog and barked once in a year, I'll just write up a $70 fine for disturbing the neighbours.

            When/how does it get enforced by SAT?

            Completely opposite to what happens here in NSW; breach a by law, strata takes you to NCAT (similar to SAT), then NCAT is only allowed to levy a penalty (notice to pay etc).

  • +2 votes

    Welcome to the 4th tier of Aust. Govt. Also sounds like a fire hazard

  • +8 votes

    NCIS: MASTER FOB SHOE BANDIT INVESTIGATIONS

  • +7 votes

    Is this the same fool as yesterday?

  • +24 votes

    You're not allowed to leave your shoes outside.

    You've been told to not leave your shoes outside.

    Do not leave your shoes outside.

  • +2 votes

    Gee I hope this story gets picked up by the mainstream and serialised.

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    What can I do to stop the council of owners from abusing their power and targeting people on our level?

    Follow the rules and you won't be fined. Its that simple.

  • +1 vote

    My response to you yesterday was on the lines of you should move out if you want to be happy.

    If you pay the fine, you'll be forever disgruntled at the council. If you don't pay the fine, you'll always be on the look out for other infractions to justify what you are doing.

    With respect to what you are doing, it's been stated that it's not your area to store goods - you appear to justify it by saying it's only shoes. But what if (for example) your neighbour was to store their rubbish bin in the hallway or items that you found offensive? Then the next neighbour thinks it's okay to dump stuff in the hallway and then puts their used bed mattress out etc.

    I think you get the point. Just because you don't find shoes offensive (and granted it is accepted practise in some cultures) doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do for resident community, and in this case it's a clear breach of the council rules.

    The good suggestion yesterday was for you to get on the council of owners and from there motion to remove those rules.

  • +1 vote

    What can I do to stop the council of owners from abusing their power and targeting people on our level?

    Since when is actionning on a valid complaint considered an abuse of power? Pay the fine and keep your shoes inside.

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    ring fair trading. find out if their bylaws clearly specify this. object through the tribunal.

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      …"Fair Trading"? In WA? Even if they did exist, what do you think they could actually do to help OP?

      • +1 vote

        Perhaps Peccadilloes may not be suggesting that they could actually help the OP, rather that the OP should go somewhere else, other than OzBargain, with their ridiculous shoe issue.

  • +4 votes

    Is this the homophobic, entitled op from yesterday?

    • +2 votes

      The very one…
      But homophoic might be a bit of a stretch… Maybe it's just the drugs those gays take that the op has an issue with O_o

  • +4 votes

    I don't think anyone had your back on the last post, why post again?

  • +1 vote

    It's not abuse of power if it's in the body corporate rules. I suggest you check them and if it is and you don't like it find somewhere else to live where you can put your shoes wherever you want.

  • +1 vote

    Wow

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