Both recently posted on Ozbargain, but have had further price reductions since. Great value.
Link for HD58x.
$269 is a steal!
$0 = steal
Steal or robbery? :)
I know some members here are saying it's a ransom due to their exclusive rights…
As someone who’s ordered multiple items from Massdrop/Drop, the distribution deal with Addicted to Audio nothing but good for consumers. Good prices (heck, it’s cheaper thought ATA than Drop directly), quicker delivery (no comparison), local warranty support.
With purchases from Drop, do they count as grey imports? Do you get AU warranty with a tax invoice?
If we want to get technical, robbery requires either violence or the threat of violence. I’m guessing robbery is pretty difficult to do online but I believe in you partner
excuse my lack of audio knowledge. are either of these a waste for gaming/general pc use? e.g listening to music off spotify, watching youtube etc
Wondering the same thing, also what AMP/DAC would be suitable for this?
+1. I use the massdrop O2/ODAC combo amp and it's got more than enough power to drive both hd6xx/hd58x. Low gain, volume dial at 9 o'clock and the volume is quite loud already.
Not sure why people are negging you.
@kevsta: Because other amps and DACs have surpassed this combo at the same price point.
@jasswolf: Please give examples. I genuinely want to know.
Magni 3+, Magni Heresy, JDS Atom, Archel Pro 2. Keep in mind the other ones are op-amps, so they can sound a bit lean compared to the Magni 3+.
The only problem is that the Magni 3+ costs way too much right now in AU.
They are supposed to be almost identicle to HD650's which I have. The HD650's sound pretty ordinary on low end gear (e.g. phones, DAPs whith low power). But they really shine when running balanced on high end amps. I suspect it's the balanced that makes the difference (usually double the voltage, and higher power). I have a couple of DAPs with balanced output which sound great, and an Oppo HA-1.
Many other cans have come and gone, but I still use these regularly after 5 years ownership…
Schiit Magni 3+ (not the Magni 3) for amp, Khadas Tone Board for the DAC if you don't mind sourcing your own case.
Currently you're looking at $180ish for the Magni via US import, and $110 for the Khadas via AliE sales and cashbacks (next big one is in March).
Demo a HD6XX or HD650 before committing to the outlay.
If you're going to spend $470 ish on headphones and amp you may as well just spend $30 more and buy Audeze Mobius and have way better headphones.
@Diji1: Had you selected literally any other Audeze product, I may have agreed with you, but then you'd be spending $100s more.
Cleaning up the audio chain is important, and the value for money in the amp & DAC combo is immense, especially against the ultimate results of other all-in-one offerings. It'll last a long time, against many future headphones.
Where can I test them? Was strongly considering the Philips Fidelio X2HR as per the reddit headphones guide as that doesn't require additional power I think.
@monchee: X2HR is low impedance so can be driven by anything.
your going to struggle to test them unless you have a dedicated headphones shop in your state
@monchee: I highly, highly recommend X2HR. Especially if you plan on also watching movies or gaming. Very fun cans. Plenty of bass.
Everything can drive them. I even took them on a long train ride once and ran them off my phone.
@zeggie: X2hr is supposed to be better at gaming. Excellent sound stage and plenty of bass. And it's cheaper than the 58x. I bought mine for $180 shipped.
@Reptar: My HD598 barely get touched since I've had my X2HR. Also have the X2 but it's practically the same. Great deals on the X2 second hand.
@monchee: Addicted to Audio stock both the HD6XX and the Magni 3+. Have some game capture clips from YouTube ready to open on your phone to check positional audio.
I recently got them and I run a Schiit Modi 3 DAC + O2 AMP. I heard O2 is a fairly old design but I got mine second hand for 100 bucks (pre good deal). If you are looking for new the current contenders are the JDS Atom which has replaced it but needs to be shipped overseas for 30 bucks US which makes it 200 aud roughly (hence me getting the O2). When it comes to DACs lots of improvements has been made and I got the Schiit Modi 3 for 193 aud at addicted to audio new when they had 10% off everything.
With audio stuff DACs and AMPs generally retain their value fairly well (until 5+ years old) and don't break as often so don't be scared of throwing a bit more money as the resale value retains fairly well.
Edit: This is on sale and has 3 days left and may be worth checking out for a DAC https://drop.com/buy/fx-audio-dac-x6#overview
This reviewer makes specific mention of these being awful for spatial positioning in gaming. Other commentators might like to chip in though.
I used these as my main cans for about a year and a half and gaming is completely fine in them. PUBG and CSGO you can tell where people were coming from (foot steps, shooting etc.) Spatial positioning is good, it's just there don't feel as wide as other headphones.
if you are going to gaming look at the audio-techinca A700x series, great for 3d gaming
General pc use, the hd6xx especially, shines with a proper dac/amp setup (i use it for Spotify etc all the time.)
For gaming, it's great for games with good soundtracks etc.
However, i would not advise for fps games such as csgo, as it is extremely difficult to pinpoint positions. You can get rough direction pretty well but not much more then that.
Nope not a waste
EB Games had the ADG1X and AG1X for $128 recently. Might be able to find a pair if you call around. They retail for around $300 and the open back version (ADG1X) are essentially the AD900x if you want to check some reviews. It also comes with one of the best microphones on a headset. Only problem is the mic is non retractable and can't be detached but if you're gaming it's handy to have anyway.
Honestly a cheap pair of 2.1 speakers will beat any headphone in imaging. If headphones are a must for gaming, go for brighter headphones like grados or beyerdynamic, they'll have better imaging. 6xx series from senns have a closed in sound.
These are good for chill music though. Not very fatiguing, can easily listen for hours.
Made in Romania!
I emailed ATA about hd6xx yesterday and they still yet to confirm if it’s Romanian made or not. Apparently there was quality issues with earlier Romanian ones due to factory relocation. I hope it’s not one of those early units and ATA trying to offload them at discount prices. Can anyone who ordered recently confirm production dates of their hd6xx unit? Thanks
Interested to know! Let us know when you get a reply
HD58x, HD6XX and even HD600 now all made in Romania.
HD58X is very hard to beat at this price.
How do these compare to say HD580/HD600 ?
HD600 are supposed to be better SQ than the HD650 / 6xx, but smaller soundstage. Can't comment on the HD580.
Bummer, was hoping the HD6XX was a copy of the HD600.
HD580 was a cheaper built version of the HD600 while retaining all the SQ.
HD6xx is the HD650. Lots of good comparison between the two on YouTube/forums to give an idea of the differences.
The 58X are built off the 580 Jubilee, and the 6XX are built off the 650.
The 6XX are the neutral, smooth pair, while the 58X bring more bass and are somewhat warm. Most people tend to prefer the 6XX for music and movies. Gaming is a mixed bag for both, and I'd probably steer clear of them for competitive FPS.
Pardon me if I'm wrong but I think you may have your wires mixed. Traditionally, the HD580 and HD600 have been more neutral and brighter sounding than the HD 650 which is warmer (and I assume the HD6XX given it's based on the HD 650)
This is the closest technical comparison I can show you off-hand:
And their definition of 'accuracy' works off a modified Harman curve (the modification comes in the treble range). You can see that the 58X has a boost in the bass and the high-mids, hence the warmth.
The 58X has a boost at 10k that might add a little bit of air to things, which might fall under the brightness you're describing (as well as perceived wider soundstage), but you can see clearly what I'm talking about.
The HD6XX are definitely more mid-forward though, and that probably adds another layer to the discussion about warmth. Either way, you're losing a decent chunk of detail on the 58X, and I'd argue it's more v-shaped than the 6XX in many respects.
Not that either are trying to follow the Harman target in the first place.
@jasswolf: Have you actually heard these and compared to other headphones? These are dark as dark chocolate plus the sennheiser veil.
On a dark to bright scale
Hd650 - hd600 - srh1840 - T1/Hd800 - grados/dt990
Srh1840 are probably a tilt to the warm side of neutral.
@krisspy: I was only comparing them to the HD58X. Coming from regular v-shaped headphone stylings, no one's going to be calling these warm, nor are they going to complain about smooth treble.
Anyone know how long this sale will last?
Looks like the 31st ("while stocks last")
Great price for the 58x.
I think they're a great choice for anyone looking for an excellent all rounder pair.
Theu perform very well with almost everything you throw at them. Comfy (omce the clamping pressure subsides), sturdy and excellent for gaming if thats your thing.
Cant be beat @ $200 IMO
What's your take on the 6xx? Worth spending the extra $70 for a pair of cans that you'll own for many years? My use is music only.
I mean you will need a dac/amp(extra expense) if you really want the most out of the hd6xx's so just go with the hd58x, it still a great pair of headphones, especially for music
You still need a DAC/AMP for the HD58X.
HD58X = 150 ohms
HD6XX = 600 ohms
@Crimson Shinigami: Hd6xx or Hd650 are 300 ohms
@krisspy: Incorrect, take a look at the product page, it will show you the impedance.
@Crimson Shinigami: You take a look. It's 300ohms on both addicted and on massdrops page.
@krisspy: My bad, I must have been tripping when I was typing this. Yes, you are correct.
how would these guy up against the b&w p5/p7?
Do you need a portable headphone? As in bringing it to public places and not disturb anyone? If yes then get the bowers.
Senns will need an amp to get enjoyable volumes. Sound wise open headphones will always sound better. Closed back headphones will always have the "in your head" sound.
Must. Not. Buy. More. Headphones! Argh!!
Anyone know if the $10 for newsletter signup is still current? Haven't even gotten an email from them after signing up for it
Where did you sign up?
It's in the footer on every page
Would love a pair of these, but I don't think my colleagues in the office would appreciate it….. :(
So just bought a pair of AKG K361 instead which also are on sale
Creative PCI-E Audigy Rx Sound Blaster Sound Card
"Signal-to-Noise Ratio (SNR) 106dB
Connectivity Options (Main) Headphone Out : 1 x 3.5mm jack shared with Front Out
Line Out : 1 x 3.5mm jack (Front Out) 1 x 3.5mm jack (Rear / Side R) 1 x 3.5mm jack (C / Sub / Side L)
Line In: 1 x 3.5mm jack
Microphone In: 2 x 3.5mm jack
Optical Out: 1 x TOSLINK
Headphone Amp Up to 600 Ohms"
Can anyone tell me if this would work as an amp/dac? It's $105 from MSY
Or even the Creative Sound Blaster Z which is $139
It'll work in the sense that you'll get sound, but it won't work very well. Volume won't go very high, dynamics won't be great, etc. These Sennheisers are the epitome of headphones that need a dedicated amp.