Newstart and Pension Recipients to Get $500 Stimulus Payment (Update: $750)

The government is set to announce a range of methods to stimulate the economy
among the expected announcements is one off payments of $500 to Newstart and pension recipients

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6140338515001

"Australia’s battlers on Newstart or the pension will each get a one-off $500 payment from the Coalition’s multi-billion-dollar coronavirus stimulus package"

Update : Those on government payments including Newstart, FTB, pensions and carers allowance will get one off payments of $750
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/c...

Comments

    • +10

      It is for those the HAD worked all their lives.
      Or for those wishing to work but unable to find employment.
      So it is just.

      NOBODY likes to live with the pittance welfare offers.

    • +5

      Oops, forgot this one:

      If you work hard and pay tax then you don't get any help !

      Not really.
      Because you work for an income you get an incredible generous, tax free, Superannuation where even the government contributes.
      And you will get all that massive pay, tax free, on retirement.

      You are ahead. Do your numbers. Well ahead.

      • +1

        Super isn't taxed? Since when?

      • +1

        If the government lets you retire…

  • +2

    They'll get most of it back in tax from people spending it on booze and cigarettes, so win win really

  • +1

    Majority of people I know on Newstart or pension down my local will just spend it on keno, smokes, pokies and beer. Some may spend on necessities.

    There should be a tax deductible domestic travel stimulus.

    For what’s its worth Newstart is terribly low, what ever happened to those debit cards you are meant to get…

    I guess tobacco shares will go up

    • -1

      Majority of people I know don't smoke, don't gamble(that's literally throwing away your tiny allowance) and I am a 100% supporter of banning all alcohol and tobacco in Australia permanently just like you. It's poison and kills people.

      • +1

        I don’t want to ban them, but if you’re going down that path ban sugar and gambling as well.

        • ^^ this. I am 100% for this. Ban fast food as well.

  • +2

    Recessions are part of a normal healthy cycle. These stimulus payments are only designed to provide 'limited relief' and avoid paper recessions to make current elected government in power look good. What they're really doing is just kicking the can further down the street. This is one reason why rentseekers (e.g. landlords) and property prices keep going higher and higher. A normal recession would see a certain percentage of the population lose jobs, which would then cause house prices to drop, demand for services (plumbers, electricians) would also drop.

    Instead the government keeps invoking these stimulus programs to inject billions into new infrastructure projects. All this does is artificially keep these jobs in demand. In the long run, everyone pays through higher prices.

    • +2

      Do you mean beggar?
      Do you mean dole's?
      Do you mean rent's?

      …I give up, I just realised the entire thing is impossible to read and nonsensical.

        • +3

          The point is if you're going for a $800 doller job a month and you have cheap rent your better off not working (based on limited life style choices).

          $800 a month? For how many hours? If it's anywhere close to full time that is below minimum wages.

          "Not working" and getting paid sounds lucrative but that money isn't unconditional. You have to either be retired, disabled, caring for someone disabled or elderly, or looking for work.

          Retired - hard to do unless you're already at that age
          Disabled - you don't want that. Better to be able bodied but have to work.
          Carer - Being a full time carer to get your carer's pension equates to a very low wage! You're better off getting a job at Target, and it comes with super, annual leave, sick leave and other perks you don't get with your carer's pension. You don't have freedom to do what you wish with your day either, because you have a responsibility to the needs of your caree. You're allowed around 67 days off from care for the year. Take off 2 days a week as your weekend and that is 104 of those days gone. What does that mean? Caring is a 7 day a week job paid at welfare rates. Be a professional carer and you will be paid a whole lot more. What you are doing is saving the government money because it's cheaper for them to pay you a pension than pay for a nursing home.
          Looking for work - This is going to be a real PITA. They will make you see them a few times a week, and you will have to keep a diary proving that you've applied for somewhere around 10 jobs a week (number keeps going up, not sure where it's at now) and be interviewed by Centrelink regularly. This is a major hassle to go through to get your measily pay and affects your ability to actually enjoy your time not working. Do you think it would fly with CL for you to go and take a vacation when you want to, even though you aren't employed? The longer you are on these benefits, the more obligations you're going to have, and the less free time will be left in your day. It's not worth the hassle.

          It sounds good, but unless you're 67+, the job is better than free money.

          Don't quit that job for long term benefits. The money is there for people who don't have a choice.

          • @lostn: "Looking for work - This is going to be a real PITA. They will make you see them a few times a week, and you will have to keep a diary proving that you've applied for somewhere around 10 jobs a week (number keeps going up, not sure where it's at now) and be interviewed by Centrelink regularly. This is a major hassle to go through to get your measily pay and affects your ability to actually enjoy your time not working. Do you think it would fly with CL for you to go and take a vacation when you want to, even though you aren't employed? The longer you are on these benefits, the more obligations you're going to have, and the less free time will be left in your day. It's not worth the hassle."

            From my understanding that's the misconception

            Just like illegal gambling, that I'll leave up to your
            Discretion. I asked a relative do they have a diary, they said it's all online, and it would be discrimination for a government entity to ask why you went over seas, however they could suspend you (another term for contact us for a appointment to establish payments I guess) but yes anyone can travel over seas regardless of situation, it's not Centrelinks job to ask, but to pay you for being over there no, but I'd assume you would be paid only for the time you left and arrived back in time for your payment.

            Plus life style choices determine what you can and can't do, so if you smoke, drink alcohol, pay a mortgage then sure your last statements correct don't quite your job, not sure why you would want to under those conditions smoking.

            • +1

              @DisabledUser317324: After 12 months on Newstart you need to do work for the dole for 6 months of the year, 50 hours/fn for an extra $20/fn.

              • @Miss B: From my understanding if you have assets (not sure of threshold) and if it lowers your income based on your asssets, for example if you have 100,000 in a term deposit you will be screened for liquid test prior to signing up, however if it's tied in super or property, and you are unable to deduct it then you will be screened as someone who does not have liquid assets immediately, but depending on the term of your deposit or house it can determine how much you will receive from the government, and yes if you have 100,000 you can still receive assistance, however if your partner and you have assets exceeding or their receiving income from paid work that exceeds the threshold then you will be addressed accordingly based on your financial situation.

                If you were doing work for the dole, yet your partner is receiving a income greater then the threshold deemed by Centrelinks fairness test then you are exempt from work4thedole, and if your property exceeds a cirtain threshold you may also be exempt(also including age, can reduce the hours) if you are in the process of receiving money via dividends or income.

                To meet work4thedole one must be receiving the full amount of payment if it falls under 1$ based on your income you are receiving via partners job will impact your benefit, house ect you are exempt from work4thedole because you are not receiving the full amount.

                And lastly if you suffer a disability and are appointed to seek help you will also be exempted depending on the agency you are with.

                • @DisabledUser317324: It's not about if you have other income, you can do another approved activity for part or all of the 50 hours - like paid employment. So if you're working 30 hours/fn you would only have to do 20 hours. If you have a disability or are over a certain age it may be reduced or you may be exempt. If you have a disability, if you're lucky you'll be on the disability pension instead, but you need to be able to convince Centrelink.

                  • @Miss B: Well let me know when you have alot of money, and then we can discuss your ability for work4thedole and your legibility criteria as of now it's just smoke screen conversation.

                    I'm not here to give solutions.

                    • @DisabledUser317324: I thought you were giving a solution? People on $800/week or less are better off on Newstart.

              • @Miss B:

                After 12 months on Newstart you need to do work for the dole for 6 months of the year, 50 hours/fn for an extra $20/fn.

                That's actually generous. It used to be 6 months of Newstart before you get put on mutual obligation.

            • @DisabledUser317324:

              however they could suspend you (another term for contact us for a appointment to establish payments I guess) but yes anyone can travel over seas regardless of situation, it's not Centrelinks job to ask, but to pay you for being over there no, but I'd assume you would be paid only for the time you left and arrived back in time for your payment.

              If you're willing to have your pay suspended while overseas, it's fine to go. But I assumed if you're on welfare, money is tight (the assets test to qualify is pretty low) and you wouldn't want to give up the money.

              Plus life style choices determine what you can and can't do, so if you smoke, drink alcohol, pay a mortgage then sure your last statements correct don't quite your job, not sure why you would want to under those conditions smoking.

              If you're retired and you own the place you live at, or whoever owns it doesn't charge you rent, then yes, you should be able to make ends meet as long as you don't have expensive vices.

              If you want welfare to either be a carer or while you're between jobs, then even if you could make ends meet, your obligations are not worth the amount you're being paid. It should never be a lifestyle choice to receive centrelink money. There is better money out there that will cost you less of your time.

              Newstart is not a holiday. You have to meet people weekly or twice weekly and look for work while there. Then you have to be reviewed regularly also. The amount of jobs they make you look for is so hard to meet for serious jobs, so you'll just be applying for everything, including things you don't want. Then you will get phone calls for interviews and you must attend those or your payments will be cut. Finding a job is a job in itself. And after 6 months if you're still on it, you have to do a mutual obligation which is normally some form of unpaid work a few days a week. If you're still on after that, things get even more annoying for you. The longer it takes to find you work, the more reviews and questioning you're going to be under.

              It isn't worth it. A job in retail or fast food is not too hard to get and to get the amount Centrelink pays, it might just be 10 hours of work in a week. If you can get that done in 2 days, you have 5 days a week of freedom. That is fewer hours of your time than you will owe to Centrelink. Of course, you'll never own a house on these wages and probably never buy a car better than an old bomb.

              • @lostn: Another misconception, yes to some and no to others.

                As one would say if you know someone you will get ahead, if you know someone in jail you will survive, and lastly if you are aware of how things work then what you stated is misconception.

                Any policy can change, same as rules but until you know how things work you're just celebrating the equator with magnetic strings, or better put smoke screen.

                It's totally as blunt as it can be, if you do not smoke drink alcohol, or gamble live at home or have rent at $100 or close (with no actual work hours added) it's the equivalent to a $800 weekly wage job

                Now if you can find work and keep work awesome, if not then no need to complain (rather reflect on those circumstances and how to improve it if single, if with a partner explore possibilities, and last with kids lots of kids then reflect on how you can be a better person)just restructure what it is in the market and the skills you're willing to learn, newstart also applies to students, training education work, not just looking for work while that is the goal, however the government is restructuring label system as newstart from what it implies a new start be it disability, training ect.

                Fast food is only viable if you live at home, and you have cheap rent or you are outputting 60% percent of performance for what welfare offers, unless the government subsidies properties and then uses the welfare money to pay employers then that system would be far better then those on work4thedole.

                Experience is vital, a degree is debt and lack of affordable accommodation is the sole reason people struggle to meet expectations always falling in debt.

  • +5

    Would disability pension get it?
    Probably a yes if its under pension. well im happy about it.
    I dont smoke, or drink will be spending it on food plus rent and a new car if anyone asks..
    Lots of people here love to judge others lmao

    • Pats you on back, you doing well, good fortunes coming your way. Do (ummm) do you gamble? You didn't mention that.

      • No I hate gambling my family goes in there and i feel depressed every time i have to stand around in there, idk its weird

        • -2

          You poor thing, are you rural, or urban, well it would be amazing if Australia was like Japan (gambling is illegal, however once you put money on those Japanese machines, and win a fortune you cannot take it out or cash it in, it must stay with that business to prevent money laundering) so maybe Woolworths can learn a lesson since they are the most evil business in Australia that runs them.

          • @DisabledUser317324: Why its technically illegal in practice it is really not. Pachinko machines are just slot machines with a small skill mechanism to get around the legislation. Trillions of yen are being pissed away into them every year. They cause all the same family and financial problems that pokies cause and then some.

          • +1

            @DisabledUser317324: Wrong mate. You win “prizes” at the pachinko parlor and then go across the road to the little booth and exchange those prizes for cold hard cash.

            • @beerpara: That'e like giving a person a wealfare card and them using the credits on it to to buy meat or stuff to convert it to cash or drugs.

              So th pachinko system you described is a welfare card hidden in a gambling system.

              It still prevents money laundering making it still illegal.

  • +6

    Wow, people here think newstart takes up most of the social security budget?

    • +1

      LOL. We spend many magnitudes more on healthcare because people think it is free and take advantage of it by leading an unhealthy lifestyle.

      The only problem is they keep on calling it newstart when some people on it are obviously starting to get old or just restarting on it again.

      Then a lot of the blame is on the government which is pouring money into propping up dying or marginally profitable industries.

      • I can tell, the last time a relative called up in regards to their teeth falling out, the administration caller receiving the call spoke to the individual as they are worthless well they were when they had no teeth. Relatives with no teeth ahhh.

    • I’d like to see the govt throw a lot more money at finding a vaccine for this virus that is bringing the world to its knees. That would go a long way to buying my vote.

      • The government has no capacity or mechanism to find a vaccine.
        There has been a lot of work internationally in finding a vaccine, through various methods and by various bodies. Some have been found successful in animal testing, and are awaiting approvals for human trials, but even with all of that focus and priority it will take time.

        When a vaccine is released, the pharma company will make the money (some of which is to recover research costs) and the government can subsidise those costs to end-users.

        • Well dead customers don't make great customers and that includes government, so make the vaccine quick and lock Pandora's drugs away to slowly milk those who can't access them in the future m

      • I don't think a lot of the government has money in any vaccine makers, hence the lack of money going in that direction.

      • +1

        One of the first things the Liberals did upon getting into power was to cut the funding to the CSIRO, which is Australia's main research agency.

        I don't think Australia is going to be coming up with a cure anytime soon

        source: https://www.theland.com.au/story/5806683/science-funding-key...

  • +1

    Better off giving them foodstamps or something. I can see this money going straight into the pokies.

  • -3

    As someone who will receive the money I think this is a waste of money.
    They should spend the money to give every Australia 10 face masks. Make them compulsory to wear outside. Would help slow the spread of the disease and increase the confidence of people to go outside keeping the economy running. Everyone wearing masks has a heard immunity type effect.

    • +1

      Yea but
      1. the chief health officer says no masks required outside. So why waste the money.

      1. You also assume there are physically enough masks to go around to everyone. That is just plain wrong, even if there were, most people would wear them incorrectly making them used and ineffective and a greater of waste of money.

      Sorry, not to pick on you, but there are too many uneducated and uninformed opinions when people start throwing their 2cetns in. Just be happy with the cash

  • I didn't realise this, but this announcement needs to be legislated.
    Labor are trying to get parliament recalled to sit earlier, to get this passed. Otherwise there could be implications / delays if social isolation is in place.

  • +2

    Look at what the Australian government gave up on, general motors has sold the bear of Australia down the bin, and this cars worth more then any Australian made car, and will be crushed when Australia is as it's the last legacy.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/21/gms-top-secret-redesign-of-i...

    Anyways there's ya business investment gone from Australia, atleast the roads will be safer.

  • +1

    They could have made it for everyone and looked like legends, as the time required to do the claim will only be justifiable to pensioners and newstart people anyway.

    • Yep, they screwed this one up.

      Shouldn't have been selected like this.

      Trying to save their surplus.

      Most of this will go on bills which doesn't stimulate the economy.

      What a waste.

  • +3

    It just occurred to me, they are buying votes

    • it's cheaper to please the poor!

    • I think they're getting desperate, and pulling a Labor so they can say 'Hey, we tried'

      The Liberal party isn't really big on ideas. They're more suited to shooting down others ideas than coming up with their own.

  • +2

    they looking for more people to join the toilet roll queue? They cant even keep up with current demands.
    by the time they get their money there will be nothing left to buy at supermarkets. The economy is already getting a stimulation from this corona crisis. wtf.

    • How dare you, I've been waiting for the Corona box in the carbage bin behind the bottlo for toilet paper yet it's always unavailable, that's worse then free shopping mall toilet paper.

  • Dont really care if they give them money or not. But I really dont see how this will stimulate the economy.
    The most likey places it will be spent is supermarket, petrol stations, bills or rent.

    • It's a trickle system, like the anus of species, the anus excretes, then the insects eat it, then bacteria, then bacteria eat bacteria til the anus eats it again.

      The federal government's plan for stimulas.

      • +1

        Are you advocating for anal stimulation?

        • Before I voted yeah, now I'm hoping for a stimulating bottle of Corona.

    • It's all psychological. The economy performance is dictated by confidence, and with the recent bushfires and this virus scare, people are starting to pull back. To focus more on making sure they're secure enough to weather a coming storm, than to try and grab extra profit. Funny thing there is that by preparing to weather the storm, they end up creating the storm, as everyone feeds on each others panic and adds to it.

      By giving out a bunch of money to stupid people, businesses have to reconsider their next move. They want to shed weight to prepare for the storm, but this is also a big opportunity. They want some of that free money. So they mentally switch gears a bit, and that can stimulate growth.

      They question is if its enough, and if its going to be delivered in time.

      • (just want to add that no part of the announcement uses the term 'stupid people'.) plz edit.

  • -2

    Another handout for parents but not for the responsible people who chose to not have children. What a (profanity) surprise.

    • +1

      You don't have to be a parent to be on Newstart.

      I'd rather my tax go to the people OF Australia, not those who pretend (corrupt government) to work for Australia.

    • Lol, I'm a parent and don't get this payment.

    • Nurries, you seem like a mean person who has a lot of personal issues with poor people. Perhaps instead of voicing them to try to hurt poor people, you could spend some of that hard earned money you're so proud of and…see a therapist. it sounds like a lot of effort to be this angry honestly.

  • -1

    As per usual the bludgers of society get all the benefits. FT worker and FT uni student, get zilch. Yet I have no money. lol.

    • -2

      Welcome to the club. You'll slowly start to resent dole bludgers and parents because our tax money goes towards subsidising their poor choices rather than our hardworking arse.

      • +1

        Blame the bottom of the barrel strugglers on welfare. I highly doubt you would want to live on $559 per fortnight mate. Let’s see how you would survive

        • +1

          No, I don't. That's why I went out and got a (profanity) job.

          • +2

            @DisabledUser193539: yeah its so simple to get a job with mental and physical issues bro! anyone will hire you bro! just walk up to the employer and hand your resume in, give a nice firm handshake and there you go mate, got the bloody job in no time!

        • +1

          If newstart were enough to live on, none of us would ever need to work unless by choice.

          So it depends how you view the purpose of welfare programs like newstart……a financial supplement while inbetween jobs? Or a lifestyle choice?

        • If rent is free, or cheap, and you do not smoke or drink or gamble, the allowence would deem reasonable on world standards as it's $1200 almost in America last time I recalled, but that was two years ago.

          But with rent being the highest factor one works and life style decisions.

          • @DisabledUser317324: yes those lucky enough to live with parents its sustainable to live on, but what about people who cant? Rent, gas, electricity, phone bills. it all adds up, you do realise the cost of living has gone up? its why homelessness is such a big problem. But nah i have a job, im fine who gives a (profanity) about some dole bludger, he/she just needs to look harder and find a job!

            • @Griffindinho: All I know is Centrelink should be screened like those on liquid assets test.

              But the government is implementing a new system in the next 10 years, with the ato appointing new division for tax avoidance to those 9000 people avoiding tax under offshore accounts while irrelevant to the topic, people are aging fast so the government must generate tax (so the future will be facial recognition tied to a debit card, and your I'd) while it doesn't help with homelessness or lack of housing it's the way of the future.

              But going back to the liquid assets test (soon to be increased waiting threshold) it should be mandatory for those who own their own house and wish to lease it out cheaply they pay no land tax, water utilities, electricity and what ever generous offer the government can add, to house someone much cheaper.

              • @DisabledUser317324:

                But the government is implementing a new system in the next 10 years, with the ato appointing new division for tax avoidance to those 9000 people avoiding tax under offshore accounts while irrelevant to the topic, people are aging fast so the government must generate tax (so the future will be facial recognition tied to a debit card, and your I'd)

                How does the facial recognition debit card solve these problems?

              • @DisabledUser317324: Are you describing negative gearing? it sounds like you're describing negative gearing. It exists.

      • +2

        I'm starting to think you not having kids isn't so much a choice you made, rather a choice others made by not wanting them with you.

        • I'm in a LTR. Think that's enough to disprove your theory.

            • +2

              @Zachary: long term relationship.

              Doesn't disprove Frayin's claim though.

          • @DisabledUser193539: Lots of us have mum's and many mother's love their children. I don't think that counts as a typical 'relationship' in the way you think it does.(You shouldn't date your mum)

            • -1

              @sarahlump: Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

              Yeah, dating your own mum is so wrong….who even dates their own mum? Ewww….she must be hitting her 50s by now……wrinkly, old and saggy everywhere…. [shivers]

            • -1

              @sarahlump: That's a try hard response if I've ever seen one.

      • +2

        You'll slowly start to resent dole bludgers and parents because our tax money goes towards subsidising their poor choices

        Another handout for parents but not for the responsible people who chose to not have children.

        Have you told your irresponsible parents yet how you resent them for the poor choice they made in having you?

        Or is that different?

        • Or is that different?

          Crickets……

      • In addition, all travellers coming into Singapore who display symptoms at the checkpoint will be required to serve the 14-day SHN, even if they test negative for Covid-19.

        Yeah, stupid parents and their poor lifestyle decisions. Raising children.. who does that?

    • +1

      But FT uni students do get this payment? Youth allowance recipients get it