Need OzBargainers Expertise on These 2 Situations on merging and using signal

hunterhalo on 02/07/2020 - 08:49

It happened this morning, i'll try to keep it short

first clip
https://imgur.com/a/ibRI8nx

If im wrong then im sorry, please don't bash if the vw wrong, same please be gentle, in this situation, there are many things happened at once but keep in mind that the camera is right at the windshield so it can see more than me and you can see that ute covered the vw for a couple of seconds. i was merging into the ring road, i was checking my right side and i can only spot that black ute, that truck and that car a bit farther down in my mirror. The black ute, my A pillar and that truck pretty much covered the vw. By the time i was 60% complete merging that vw pull right in front of me, as shown in clip i cant do much but brake and normally you would try to come back and or stick to your lane, but i pretty much didnt have lane left. and if i brake any harder i will hit the car right behind me that tried to merge and the far car behind that i saw in my mirror earlier. In the end i am 100% sure you cannot change lane with a continuous white line as that vw did.

second clip

https://imgur.com/a/hzRDN3g

it happened pretty much all the time, victorian driver entitled prick turn the blinker on, change lane BEFORE check the mirror, then realise oh shit, no cant do, then wobble back

So what are your opinions on this, what should i do?

Automotive

Comments

  • Stewardo on 02/07/2020 - 08:54

    The first one looks ok to me,
    The second one you should overtake truck on its right side not to the left.

    • hunterhalo on 02/07/2020 - 09:11

      i didn't overtake, i was on that lane the whole time as I'm about to exit,

      • Stewardo on 02/07/2020 - 09:29
        -2

        Your in the trucks blind spot, it doesn’t have rear vision mirror (windscreen)
        You should have kept safe distance behind it both lanes, or overtook it on the right, i know your in that lane to exit but your speeding up to overtake/exit. Trucks are much more difficult to drive, and need to be given more space.

        • hunterhalo on 02/07/2020 - 11:28
          -2

          a bit hard to understand what you say but thanks and i did take HR licence so i know trucks are hard to drive ( dont ask why, wasted 1k for nothing very not a bargain.) and the first clip look fine because it was in 60fps and it does feel a bit slower than in reality, and as i mentioned what the dash cam recorded doesn't translate that what the driver see

  • Muzeeb on 02/07/2020 - 08:55
    +4

    First video is a non event. I would suggest just a typical nervous driver. You need to assume all drivers are this bad and drive accordingly.

    Didn't watch second video as first video had no swearing or abuse.

  • pencilman on 02/07/2020 - 09:02
    +2

    First video VW had their turn indicator on very early.
    No one at fault, just the the thrust and parry of driving

    • hunterhalo on 02/07/2020 - 09:11
      +1

      true but like i said, the camera sees it doesnt mean i can. Honestly vw should merge way before or after, not right at ram merging lane, as you can see i dont have any lane to back off or go

      • RM on 02/07/2020 - 09:50
        +4

        Also in the 1st video, the VW moves to the far left lane - crossing an unbroken line…

        • Ramrunner on 03/07/2020 - 13:34
          +1

          Yes was surprised no-one commented on that initially.

          The VW driver is actually a bad driver.

  • ozhunter on 02/07/2020 - 09:11
    +3

    what should i do?

    Nothing for both video clips.

    • hunterhalo on 02/07/2020 - 09:12
      -2

      so accept my faith, brake and praise that the driver behind me brake too?

      • ozhunter on 02/07/2020 - 09:13
        +3

        If the driver behind you hits you, that's his fault.

        By the time i was 60% complete merging that vw pull right in front of me

        Not the best time for him to change lanes, but he did indicate early.

        • hunterhalo on 02/07/2020 - 09:17

          true that but like i said, from my point at view, i cannot see it at all compared to the dashcam, and yeah very inconsiderate when tries to change lane where ram is merging with freeway

  • No Username on 02/07/2020 - 09:12
    +10

    Noting wrong with the first clip other than VW being a bit inconsiderate and changing in a lane where cars start to merge with the free way. VW also briefly changes lane when lines are solid at his/hers next lane change.

  • whooah1979 on 02/07/2020 - 09:30

    first clip
    https://imgur.com/a/ibRI8nx

    Slowing down was the right thing to do. Anything else would be a fail.
    https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/81235/81016/screenshot…

  • jjjaar on 02/07/2020 - 09:32
    +3

    what should i do?

    Nothing? You avoided any issues in both instances and held back when you realised people were merging. Now, if you didn't realise these were happening until much later than the camera saw them, you should be much more aware of your surroundings.

    • hunterhalo on 02/07/2020 - 09:35
      -2

      Thanks, i should now saw off my A pillar as it was in my visiom the whole time. Joke aside yeah i did avoid a big collision

      • md333 on 02/07/2020 - 16:08
        +2

        no saw required, just need to move your head around if you have large A pillars. My A pillar is in exactly the right spot to hide traffic from the right at roundabouts, really annoying, you need to lean your head right forward at every roundabout to see adequately.

  • whooah1979 on 02/07/2020 - 09:33
    +3

    second clip
    https://imgur.com/a/hzRDN3g

    No big deal. This happens all the time.

    • hunterhalo on 02/07/2020 - 09:34

      Report to admin and ask for driver retake driving test

      • whooah1979 on 02/07/2020 - 09:39

        There is textbook driving to pass the DKT, HPT, driving test and then there is real-life driving.

  • SnowDragon on 02/07/2020 - 09:54
    +2

    Nothing is really wrong in both of them.

    If anything, the first is the worst as the vw driver crosses a solid white line. Other than that, shit happens when merging with multiple lanes. Just gotta keep an eye out for people's intentions. It's similar to a road with 3+ lanes and people who are directly adjacent in lanes 1 and 3 want to get into lane 2.

    The second one was kinda the trucks fault for not being in the lane he wanted to be when it was clear. He just made a bad timing mistake and went when you were zooming along.

    If this is the worst you've seen on our roads then you need to go out more. This is a daily occurrence for most people.

    • Banana on 02/07/2020 - 09:59
      +2

      Yeah defensive driving. I would take those two experiences as a lesson learned and start anticipate those scenarios going forwards.

      I hate the A pillar blind-spot as well, but it's shouldn't be an excuse, if you can't see it, assume there is a car there. Stay alert and look around. I would acknowledge that Ring Road is terrible though.

  • Ryanek on 02/07/2020 - 10:07
    +5

    Nothing wrong with either clip. Both drivers gave plenty of signal time and for you to react accordingly.

    • hunterhalo on 02/07/2020 - 10:34
      -3

      yeah next time i'll saw off my A pillar to remove blind spot, vw did give signal but try not to merge where near the ram, and then swing across the continuous white line. and for the truck driver, you know at free way speed those 3 seconds (49-51 when he wobbles around) is not alot right, when i looked at the clip it seems a lot but in reality, i only notice 1 blink and wobbles but you know what i mean. By the time i saw his signal, I immediately slow down that when he wobbles around

      • Ryanek on 02/07/2020 - 10:36
        +4

        Mate an A pillar is not really an excuse. You should always be on alert but especially so when merging into a major highway.

        I don't understand the point of this post… do you want us to share in your anger at these other drivers?

        • hunterhalo on 02/07/2020 - 11:22

          nah no anger needed, as i can only be alerted so much, A pillar is not an excuse but it is a hazard, i looked, nothing there but just as it conveniently covered the car as it about to merge into my lane, cant do anything about it, and like i said what the dashcam see does not translate to what i see, i did see the black ute and the truck when i did head check. However when i saw the ute it was in my vision to actually see the vw and when i did a second headcheck vw was in A pillar vision, until it certainly pulls right in front of me

  • godofpizza on 02/07/2020 - 10:16
    +4

    Nothing wrong with the second pic, the driver indicated their intention to merge ( at least 3 beeps) and waited for the right opt, as you we in their blind area they waited for a bigger opening.
    They could have merged anyway but they didn't.

  • SD2310 on 02/07/2020 - 10:47
    +3

    I don’t understand the issue here both times they wanted to change lanes, indicated to see if you’d slow down to let them in and you did. Isn’t this just driving?

    • hunterhalo on 02/07/2020 - 11:18

      the situation is what the camera sees doesn't translate to what the driver sees, and the wide-angle 60frame make it slower than it should, a pillar blind spot, the ute just drove pass at the right time, blocking the driver from seeing that vw indicator.
      i think i should lower the fps and uses lower resolution as the clip seem a lot slower that what it should. Most importantly get a second dash cam to show driver view as people seem to forget, dashcam situated at the windshield thus pretty much eliminated front blind spot

  • kanmen on 02/07/2020 - 11:04
    +4

    VW should have known better than to change lanes into a lane where there was just a merge. But people are dumb and do it all the time. I've had people try to change into my lane as I'm merging onto the freeway.

    You may have been in the trucks blind spot, which is why it's a good idea to either stay back or pass quickly. Either way you handled both situations fine. Cars behind you would have hopefully seen these two cars try to change lanes and should have adjusted their speed knowing you had to.

  • wannagrababargain on 02/07/2020 - 11:32
    +3

    VW is a bad driver. The VW caused all sorts of issues in Video 1 by braking. No need for him to brake hard to change lanes. There is still plenty of opportunity for VW to change lane at speed without missing the exit ahead.

    It starts @ -0:27 on Video 1 the VW brakes suddenly when its brake light comes on, you can see the gap between the VW and the truck close and by the time the truck fully enters the frame @ -0:24 the truck is hard on the brakes and is diving forward. By the time you see the VW, you are already merged up to freeway speed but the VW is now going at least 20km/hr slower than you which means you had no choice but to brake too. The VW action is the kind of behaviour that can send shockwaves back through the traffic flow to cause multi-car pileups. It was good on your part that you understood to only brake as much as necessary as that can absorb the shockwave.

    • hunterhalo on 02/07/2020 - 11:39

      i did brake just enough, even though i know the abs can handle it, but secretly I just got a bargain on the new continental UC5, doesn't want to skit it yet =.=. anyway, even without new tyres, I will brake just enough without causing shockwaves for the traffic flow

      • Euphemistic on 02/07/2020 - 13:35

        If you have ABS there is no risk of skidding. That’s what it is for.

  • Euphemistic on 02/07/2020 - 11:38
    +2

    1st clip you merged ok. It is your responsibility to give way to other vehicles as you merge. You did. It was complicated by someone doing something not too clever, changing lanes near a merge. But they weren’t too close and you allowed them to merge safely. The merging driver probably didn’t see you merge in and didn’t make allowances for it. Admittedly they did cross an unbroken line which is against the rules and could have waited the extra second or so before changing lanes, but it made no difference to your initial merge.

    Second clip you were in the tricks blind spot. Driver probably looked, indicated, started to merge, looked and saw you and waited. Happens a lot as trucks have much bigger blind spots than cars.

  • pegaxs on 02/07/2020 - 14:20
    +1

    First clip: White car made illegal lane change when they crossed over the continuous white line. (Not to mention they half arsed changing lanes and were well below the speed limit.)

    Second clip: Looks fine to me.

    please don't bash if the vw wrong, same please be gentle, in this situation

    Nek minnit…

    victorian driver entitled prick turn the blinker on, change lane BEFORE check the mirror, then realise oh shit, no cant do

    What the white car did was way worse than what the truck did… White car almost causes an accident by being well under the speed limit and then only half merging, but second video is "entitled prick" truck driver? Good to see the anti-truck sentiment is still alive and well here.

    what should i do?

    Move on with your life.

  • Scorpex on 03/07/2020 - 08:41
    +1

    First clip - VW is caught in the outside lanes and suddenly realises he needs to make the next exit. Makes a poor lane change to yours, and then an illegal one to the inner lane across the unbroken white line. Bad planning, but I've seen far worse execution. Second clip - ever driven a truck like that? Aspects of it are not easy. As soon as you see an indicator, hang back and flash the driver that it is OK to change lanes. It makes life easier for everyone, especially the truck driver. Please don't insist on your lane rights in this situation - that's where the entitled prick thing starts.

  • Speckled Jim on 03/07/2020 - 08:43
    +1

    The white VW:
    Driver was a bit of a dill being so far across if they knew that was the exit they wanted. Possibly forgetful?
    It happens. You did the right thing.

    if i brake any harder i will hit the car right behind me that tried to merge

    No, they will hit you.

    Truck? From that distance you should have been visible in their LHS mirror (assuming properly adjusted for the driver).
    Their assumption is someone will let them in if they indicate, and again you did the right thing.
    Had you been in their blind spot and they started to merge, it's messier. If you must, you stand on the brakes to avoid a collision. If you're rear-ended it's partly because party behind you wasn't looking far enough ahead to read the situation and respond.

    Your A-pillar?
    Find something better designed or trade down to an older car.

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