nbn Connection Box Removed. Should The Landlord Pay for Temporary Internet Connection?

Hi all,

I have a question regarding who should wear the costs resulted from a missing connection box stolen/taken by landlord/prev tenant without notifying the upcoming tenants. The details are as follows:

  • We signed a rental contract, which starts on 10 Jul 2020

  • We organised NBN HFC internet connection on 21 Jun 2020, everything was set for moving in date. The NBN internet connection requires a connection box that was supplied and previously installed in the property. The connection box is property-specific and must not be removed from the property. However, the connection box was removed from the property by previous tenant/landlord.

  • The real estate agent/landlord failed to inform this to me ~until I asked on 8 Jul 2020~ although I did ask more than a week ago, they only responded on Wednesday 8 Juk, 2 days before moving in.

  • The internet installation is now delayed up to a week due to the missing connection box.

  • I work from home and internet is a must, not to say my wife and kids. I will have to buy a temporary internet service while waiting for installation scheduled for next week.

  • The installation could have been further delayed ~if I didn't ask the agent on 8 Jul 2020~ if the agent didn't respond to my question on 8 Jul 2020, which I asked last week, about the connection box. Other tenants in similar situation might get caught on this easily and can suffer greater delay.

  • The landlord refuses to compensate me the cost of the temporary internet connection.
    My question: should the landlord compensate me the cost of the temporary internet connection giving that they took away required connection box and failed to notify upcoming tenants?

This happens quite often as I was told by Aussie Broadband, there are some cases people got compensated by their landlord, am I unreasonable? Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/nbn/comments/a10zk9/missing_nbn_hfc…

Here is a reply from NBN:
"The nbn equipment installed at your premises is provided and owned by nbn and remains the property of nbn. Removing it is considered tampering with a Telecommunications Network, which is a Federal Offence. Should the equipment have been damaged by the person who removed it then the replacement costs will need to be recovered from them by nbn."

Update:
- Updated my question to make it clearer
- My position is landlord should compensate something. I am just uncomfortable to pay for someone’s acts. They should have at least informed me earlier so that I could arrange NBN to come earlier.
- I actually did ask them about the box more than a week before start date but took them a week to respond back and it’s 2 days before moving in.

A bit extra information:
- ISP usually checks if a new connection is required nbn technician visit, whom will bring the connection box with them if it’s not installed before. In my case, poi check returns class 24 that meant the box had been installed previously, confirmed at order time as well as via phone support.
- The connection box will not be sent automatically on a new connection. You would need to know whether you need it or not and call up. I would expect majority of renters wouldn’t know what it is, not to say know whether it’s required for connection or not.
- Can confirm landlord lived here previously so no previous tenants.
- My main drive is not really $$, it’s more about annoyance/inconvenience, looking at the timeline below, you might get why I am frustrated:
- Internet arranged 3 weeks before moving date, confirmed by ISP no equipment or technician visit needed
+ Asked agent 9 days prior moving date, got answered only 2 days prior moving date
+ Called Aussie BB immediately to schedule technician visit, could only get earliest appointment 9 days later, a week after moving date.

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    Landlord must compensate a reasonable amount, i.e. < $100

Comments

  • +5

    This wins the most petty post of the year award hands down.

    Exact same thing happened to me in my rental (the NBN boxes look like any other router, no suprises that tenants take them with them). I had no internet for just over a month (Telstra was shut down at start of COVID). Count yourself lucky.

    • would you have done the same if you were in their position

      • Who's position? OPs? I was in their position and no I did not ask my landlord for compensation. I waited for NBN to deliver the new box and moved on with my life

        • since they are on ozbargain, couldn't OP just use kogan $5 for 40gb or similar catch deals for the time being, couldn't be that expensive could it

  • This is your expense, not the landlords.

    The property wasn't advertised as NBN ready to go and the onus is on you to check.

    If the NBN had never been connected and a once of infrastracture fee (which is $300 per address) was payable, that would also be your expense.
    Be thankful you don't have to pay that too.

    • hmm, the payable fee is something new, I got transitioned to nbn twice and never pay such a fee. I guess you referred to new house?

      • +1

        It's not new. Yeah new properties pay the $300 fee.

  • Thank you everyone for your comments, I read every single one and appreciate all of them although some went a bit judgmental like “you’re crazy”, “annoying person like you” despite not knowing me personally. it’s always interesting to see a topic discussed, viewed from different lens, thank you guys! I have a further couple of points to make:

    • I’ve decided to grab a sim card for now, thank you for a few suggestions!

    • From the comments, we can see this has caused quite a lot of inconvenience for renters. I expect the majority of renters wouldn’t know this connection box and they could be easily ended in same situation. Lucky you might get the box in a few days, worst a month like King Taddy above.

    • I think this presents a challenge for NBN, let’s put aside landlord/tenants responsibilities, missing the connection box is clearly an issue, how can they prevent it from happening again and make it easier for everyone.

    • I can make certain that $$ is not my main drive the compensation, it’s more like inconvenience/annoyance despite I have arranged internet weeks in advance and asked agents but didn’t get response until 2 days prior start date.

    Didn’t expect this get pinned, I learnt quite a few things from this topic that hopefully will make me better as a person and I hope you guys too, especially don’t get caught in the same situation as mine.

    Cheers!

    • +1

      This happen to a mate of mine. Took months of back and forth with NBN/ISP before he just caved and stuck with 4G for the year till he moved to another place.

      Good luck

  • From the text you quoted NBN should chase the landlord for it, since NBN own it, and you just complain to NBN.

  • Op who's your isp?

    • Aussie Broadband

  • Did you check on aussiebb POI checker to see if there was a NTD at the location before?

    I know it's a dumb question, but when I moved into my new property there was just a wall socket from Foxtel.

    • Yeah I did ask Aussie Broadband, it’s class 24 so the property is connected before and box was installed before.

  • +1

    Given it wasn't on the contract- then

    1) No they legally don't need to compensate

    2) But i would at least reduce the rent as compensation if i was a good landlord

  • +1

    I just rent a house having the same problem where the NBN box taken by the previous tenant, I don't think it is landlord liability. Just let the NBN provider know and they will immediately sent out another one. I think if you want to find the responsible party that will only be the NBN co which design such a poor connection type.

  • Why would the tenants take the NTD?!? They can't reuse it. Is it out of spite?

    • +1

      To make a quick buck.

    • +1

      It depends on the type , some are not fixed in place and look just like a modem/ another part of your own gear. I don't think the majority of these situations are due to spite/ greed. Google the fttc or hfc one and then tell me how many people would mistaken that as theirs. This will be a ongoing issue for lots of people.

      • Agree, it will be on ongoing issue for some time as it has always been normal for years to take the box with you when you leave. Once people are educated to the fact that the NTDs are property specific, and not supplied by your ISP, the issue will subside.

        I ended up in the same predicament as OP, and my rental agent has said they've added the NTD to their property vacate checklist going forward.

  • +1

    I had exactly the same when I moved into my current place. The prior tenant had removed the device. I provide 24*7 support so it was seriously needed. The agent was very helpful and got it resolved within two weeks. My internet service provider was nice enough to provide a 3g dongle with 50gb for emergencies.

    Interms of expectation — and OP wasn't clear who had the NTD any why — my take on it.
    1. The agent should have driven this aggressively.
    2. The landlord might not been aware - but not sure who removed the NTD.
    3. The NTD should have been clearly marked by NBN as to remain at property but is absolutely not, so the tenant, or their movers might not have realized.

    All in all a pain in the ars3 caused by super dooper pain in the ars3 NBN. Don't blooming leave something that's meant to be permanent unmarked or easily removable.

    Sounds to me that OP is dealing with a seriously poor managing agent based on the lack of / delayed addressing of questions.

    1. You signup for internet
    2. They give you a box
    3. We are here somehow?
    • +1

      Well, I haven't had NBN and never will, but I assume he means he could have been online quickly if the box was still present. But now they have to come out and install a replacement which puts him on a waiting list. But as my example below shows, he could have made the whole situation a non-issue with a few minutes problem-solving.

    • The box had been installed before and it must remain at the property. New subsequent sign up will not require a box and also will not get sent a box. ISP usually check if box is required or not, my case they indicated not as box was installed previously.

      I went a bit extra to ask agent to check as I also was having HFC so I suspected, agent didn’t respond until 2 days before moving so I had to call Aussie Broadband to send NBN technician to come next week.

      It’s more about annoyance as I arranged everything in advance 3 weeks but still got caught.

  • Dont you make one 2 weeks in advanced? Why you asking for money…

    Box is free anyways.

    • I arranged internet 3 weeks in advanced, asked agent more than a week ago and only got reply 2 days before moving in… I clarified a bit more above.

  • +1

    You will be laughed at but it's worth a shot 🤣

  • My position is landlord should compensate something.

    That's just life. Iinconvenient things happen. You could have reduced your 'need' for compensation to $7 making it a non-issue. eg. You could have gone to a public library, a friends house, or used your phone data, to purchase a $4.90/40GB Kogan SIM online. Then dropped into a 7-11 on the way home for a $2 blank SIM, logged into your email via your phone, activated the SIM with the code in your inbox, and had internet up and running the same day by hotspotting your phone to a computer via wifi, bluetooth, or tethering via a cable. The NBN will charge someone else for removing the box or wear the cost. Either way you're not liable so that doesn't affect you, and the effort to recover $6.90 wouldn't have been worth bothering with.

    • lol my head hurts

  • are these boxes actually property specific? or can you use anyone on any property as long as hfc/fttc

    also, hfc is just the ones that used the old optus/telstra cables right?

    fttc is the one where the fibre gets connected to the street but we still use the existing copper lines from the curb to the property, am i right?

    • yes they are property specific. HFC=Old telstra cable (not optus)

  • +1

    If I were your landlord and received that request for comp, I'd try to find a loophole to get rid of you asap. Enough Karens out there.

  • Lesson learnt. If the internet connection is as important as gas and electricity, then you should be confirming when looking at a rental property.

  • +3

    I'd imagine many Landlords aren't NBN experts and probably the previous tenant didn't realise they weren't meant to take it with them (an understandable mistake… it's not like it's bolted to the wall). I doubt it was done on purpose or maliciously. Just suck it up and use mobile data for a few days. It's not the end of the world.

  • +1

    Just another note. Ask the tech to check your connection (in the pit) and the isolator connection when he comes out to install the black box. They're the two most common locations for corrosion which manifest into dropouts. These two faults cover almost 75% of all faults on hfc networks according to data collected in the states.

    Just be nice and ask if he wouldn't mind checking the pit connection for corrosion. It will save you alot of headaches further down the line.

    • -3

      Corrosion… LOL. So much for getting rid of the 'drawbacks of ancient copper network' that are 'solved' with fibre optic. Sorry…. I haven't experienced the NBN myself but that's the reason they cited for ripping out the copper as they went, thus removing the option of cheap ADSL/2/+ (about $25/m unlimited data in some cases, in metro areas if I remember correctly ie. Dodo?), and forced people onto the NBN or lose their phone and internet, got an ugly box screwed to their wall, and still have slow (slower?) speeds and less data once it was done and paid more when it was supposedly going to be cheaper for more. Now I hear the same problems of copper exist anyway!? LOL what a debacle.

      Thankfully I missed that circus train. When they were sending me letters on a daily basis for months saying 'get the NBN while we're installing in your area or you'll lose your phone and internet' I switched to cheap mobile SIMs. (And have since learned when I leave my rental installing the NBN/box is still free for the next tenant anyway, which the letters made it sound I/they would have to pay more if not done while in this area.)

      • calm down. hfc isnt the same as fibre optic. fibre is fusion spliced into the network. hfc requires a metal connection and a network tap. HFC also requires an isolator for hfc outside of the premises of each house.

        fibre doesn't have the same corrosion problems that plague hfc networks. Not to mention other faults that beset hfc networks.

  • +1

    Such entitlement.

    Internet is not considered an essential service under the Residential Tenancies Act (in VIC anyway).

    In short, no you're not entitled to compensation nor should you be.

    • -1

      … not considered an essential service
      ROTFLMAO

      • Care to find evidence to the contrary? Happy to be corrected :)

      • Maxxiz said "under the Residential Tenancies Act (in VIC anyway)".

  • As a tech savvy person, this thread is perfect.
    My experience:

    • Bought a place settling in 4 weeks.
    • Did inspection, noticed lack of HFC modem.
    • Forgot to ask about it until 3 days before settlement.

    • Drafted email to REA asking for HFC modem to be returned.

    • Signed up for Aussie BB and called them straight after asking to check if NBN had previously been installed.
    • Code was 22 (no NBN ever installed)

    • Happily deleted draft email to REA.

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